Green Light for WWIII!

[keehah]

Anyone listening to the Alex Jones show?

I just caught the tail end of Alex and Steve Pieczenik in the first hour.

Green light for Israel to attack Iran in next two weeks. Alex and Steve talk of recent mobilizations.

Steve Pieczenik is calling out DC and Israel Leadership for being insane and criminal. Will hurt Israel, cause huge oil price spike. Assassination plot made up by Obama administration, Iran will not attack American mainland even when attacked. Israel will start war, America will back it up. Steve speaking for faction of Pentagon that thinks this is insanity and damaging to American interests. People need to take to the streets to stop these leaders now.

[vacuum]

I haven't heard what they are talking about.

But lets say hypothetically we do attack Iran. Will Russia just sit around and do nothing? They allowed Iraq and Afghanistan to be attacked, but maybe Iran will be crossing the line.

[cortez]

http://www.infowars.com/fbi-insider-obama-administration-likely-manufactured-dubious-terror-plot/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfsWIoO2CPc&feature=player_embedded

[Cebu_4_2]

Between the US of I, israel, Iran, China and Russia it's going to be lot's of fun in the sandbox.

[General of Darkness]

I hope Israel gets decimated.

[ximmy]

TPTB need their profits... raising oil prices get them the dollars they need to buy their families christmas presents TO WAR!

[DMac]

Anyone listening to the ALex Jones show?

I just caught the tail end of Alex and Steve Pieczenik in the first hour.

Green light for Israel to attack Iran in next two weeks. Alex and Steve talk of recent mobilizations.

Steve Pieczenik is calling out DC and Israel Leadership for being insane and criminal. Will hurt Israel, cause huge oil price spike. Assassination plot made up by Obama administration, Iran will not attack American mainland even when attacked. Israel will start war, America will back it up. Steve speaking for faction of Pentagon that thinks this is insanity and damaging to American interests. People need to take to the streets to stop these leaders now.

What proof was offered that this green light took place?

[Shami-Amourae]

Buy the T-Shirt or Sports Bottle! :-X

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-6J0bTskRg

[keehah]

I thought it strange yesterday why the CBC AM news gave so much attention to a travel advisory when mentioning the plot. Now it does not seem so out of place.

U.S. issues worldwide travel alert after accusing Iran of assassination bid (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/10/12/us-iran-assassination-plot.html)
CBC News Posted: Oct 12, 2011

Earlier Wednesday, the State Department issued a worldwide travel alert for the next three months, warning U.S, citizens that Iran might sponsor strikes in the U.S. or abroad.
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What proof was offered that this green light took place?
"Military Sources"
Green light being a metaphor of course from Steve or Alex.

[DMac]

I thought it strange yesterday why the CBC AM news gave so much attention to a travel advisory when mentioning the plot. Now it does not seem so out of place.

U.S. issues worldwide travel alert after accusing Iran of assassination bid (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/10/12/us-iran-assassination-plot.html)
CBC News Posted: Oct 12, 2011

___________

"Military Sources"
Green light being a metaphor of course from Steve or Alex.

So there is no proof, only speculation?

[osoab]

So there is no proof, only speculation?

If Obummer said it was true, I completely believe him. ;D

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Ole Stevie boy is zionist and sits on the CFR.

http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=P

We should heed this why?

[Shami-Amourae]

I wonder what would happen if they actually did it. How can they have WW3 when the anger against the government is this high? People actually trusted the government back when WW1 and WW2 were fought.

[DMac]

Buy the T-Shirt or Sports Bottle! :-X

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-6J0bTskRg

"Maximum alert for all Infowarriors!"

LOL I knew it was all a lie when Alex said he got off a treadmill :D :D :D

Everytime I hear someone say "EYE-Rainian" my EYES roll deep into my skull. /sigh

"MEGA RED ALERT!!!"

Seriously how the hell do you listen to this guy?

[keehah]

So there is no proof, only speculation?

Should anything more than truth be offered? Proof is for 'your gates' or the courts or local elders. I will not have proof till the time of any such event has passed.

I can offer you a Zechariah quote from the bible....

These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates:

And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the LORD.

...Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

[DMac]

I wonder what would happen if they actually did it. How can they have WW3 when the anger against the government is this high? People actually trusted the government back when WW1 and WW2 were fought.

They start by bombing Iran - US/UK/IZ.

Iran launches terror attacks in the aggressor nations within days to 1 week after the initial strike.

Nuke retaliation against Iran within the week.

By week 2 Russia preemptively nukes the US.

It all goes to hell too fast for the people to mount a revolt.

If (I pray not when) the bombs fall on Iran it is the number 1 bug out criteria for me. You won't see dmac on gsus should this war start.

[midnight rambler]

Ole Stevie boy is zionist and sits on the CFR.

http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=P

We should heed this why?

You should heed this because you should/need to be in a state of fear while feeling utterly helpless to do anything about it.

[keehah]

Steve did blow smoke after the Norway Terror attack trying to divert attention from all the familiar NATO patsy or ally circumstances.

It can still be consistent any such sourced military crusaders do not want to go as far as Iran.

You need to listen DDMac to the interview to better comment on the potential of disinfo in it.

A main part of the interview (along with spreading fear in listeners of course) was a call out directly to Netanyahu and the Obama administration not to start this, and for others to help stop it, and they will be war criminals for doing it.

Much like he called out the Obama administration for faking and botching the Osama raid, damaging relations with Pakistan for a rise in the poles.

[DMac]

Just think about this for a minute. A secret military source says Iran war begins any day now, within 2 week time span.

I bet the Iranians would love to know about that.

Is he putting his money where his mouth is - any stocks to recommend shorting?

This is the type of thing, if real, that would cause this guy to disappear - an impending military strike and blabbed about on Alex Jones' show.

o_O

[gunDriller]

US travel alerts about Iran don't worry me one bit.

[keehah]

This is the type of thing, if real, that would cause this guy to disappear...
Lets hope he's as good as Jack Ryan then. ;D
________________

Report is out (with links at OP):

Sources: US Gives Israel Green Light For Iran Strike
Fabricated terror plot provides pretext for intervention following Panetta’s October 3 Tel Aviv visit (http://www.infowars.com/sources-us-gives-israel-green-light-for-iran-strike/)
Paul Joseph Watson Infowars.com Wednesday, October 13, 2011

The Obama administration’s fabricated terror plot blamed on Iran represents the green light for an Israeli attack on Iran set to take place within the next two weeks, according to confidential military sources who spoke with Alex Jones.

Israel is concerned that major powers like Germany are moving closer to smoothing relations with Iran and allowing Iran to continue its nuclear enrichment program unimpeded. A two month window has been allocated during which Israel has the opportunity to launch a military assault, waiting until winter when the attack will be more difficult to pull off is not an option.

US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s October 3 Tel Aviv visit was used by Israeli hawks to convince the United States that it should green light the attack. Less than 10 days later, a fanciful terror plot involving a used car salesman was invented to implicate Iran and create the pretext for a military assault.

“In recent weeks, intense discussions have taken place in Israeli military and intelligence circles about whether or not to launch a military strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Apparently, the key question in the debate was how to ensure that the United States took part in the attack or, at the very least, intervened on Israel’s side if the initial strike triggered a wider war,” writes Patrick Seale of Gulf News.

That intervention has now been mandated by the announcement of the fabricated terror plot, which was actually concocted last month but only made public now.

While U.S. intelligence officials prepare to release claims about a “chain” of plots that will be blamed on Iran, Time Magazine reports that the Obama administration is preparing to use the accusations to take action beyond mere isolation tactics.

“If the Administration fails to win support for a significant escalation of sanctions or other forms of punishment for the Tehran regime after presenting evidence of the latest allegations of Iranian malfeasance, the ball will land back in Obama’s court,” writes Tony Karon. “Having made the case that Iran has crossed a red line, he will be under growing pressure to act — or risk entering a highly polarized election season haunted by a “soft on Iran” charge.”

With neo-cons rushing to support aggressive measures against Iran, Obama will now be given right cover to pursue yet another act of regime change. As we postulated back in February last year, Obama is being blackmailed into supporting an attack on Iran as the only way to save his presidency. We also speculated that an assassination attempt would be used as the pretext to implicate Iran.

Geopolitical experts have been consistent in their warnings that Israel was preparing to strike Iran this fall.

Back in July, 21-year CIA veteran Robert Baer told KPFK Los Angeles that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was planning an attack on Iran in September to coincide with the Palestine bid for UN membership.

Speaking with the Alex Jones Show today, former State Department official Steve Pieczenik, who has numerous inside intelligence sources having worked in several sensitive positions during the course of his career, also indicated that the terror plot was completely fabricated and that it would be used a pretext to justify a military strike against Iran.

Pieczenik also pointed out that Israel had recently taken delivery of a large amount of bunker buster missiles.

As we have documented, the alleged assassination plot against Saudi Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir, which is now being cited by everyone from John Kerry to John McCain as a justification for a potential military strike, is a complete fantasy.

Retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer has revealed that an FBI insider with a high security clearance told him no records whatsoever detailing the plot existed within FBI channels, clearly indicating the whole episode was manufactured.

It has also now emerged that the alleged “mastermind” behind the plot was a drunk pothead who liked to frequent with prostitutes and was described by those who know him as a “joke”.

[DMac]

Your trolling my thread to make me feel the same way right now DMac. Perhaps you should stick to posting in the Thunderdome today.

Thanks for calling me a troll. It's been a long time since I was accused of that. It would seem posts 8, 12 and 17 are trolling since they also mock AJ.


Steve did blow smoke after the Norway Terror attack trying to divert attention from all the familiar NATO patsy or ally circumstances.

It can still be consistent any such sourced military crusaders do not want to go as far as Iran.

You need to listen DDMac to the interview to better comment on the potential of disinfo in it.

A main part of the interview (along with spreading fear in listeners of course) was a call out directly to Netanyahu and the Obama administration not to start this, and for others to help stop it, and they will be war criminals for doing it.

Much like he called out the Obama administration for faking and botching the Osama raid, damaging relations with Pakistan for a rise in the poles.


I did listen to the clip. It made my ears bleed. It made my ears bleed in the same way listening to Rush hurts my ears. Or Chris Matthews for that matter.

After all this time on forums like this one Keehah, I ask in all seriousness, how you still find yourself able to tune into Alex (Z for Zionism) Jones?

I don't mind my responses being called trolling. If this were a Glenn Beck thread I would mock him just the same.

So here I offer you my apologies for trolling your thread. I meant you no personal disrespect. If, by October 27/28, Israel has attacked Iran, my last post on GSUS will be lamenting my regret for not listening to AJ's warning.

[Shami-Amourae]

Pieczenik says that Israel will be destroyed if they attack Iran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6N1m74tQH0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6b7160ub0

[Book]

By week 2 Russia preemptively nukes the US.



http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0147e0234054970b-500wi

Russia and China sat on their hands while ZOG invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria. They won't do shit for Iran either...

???

[ximmy]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0147e0234054970b-500wi

Russia and China sat on their hands while ZOG invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria. They won't do shit for Iran either...

???

They must be in on backdoor payments and promises

[DMac]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0147e0234054970b-500wi

Russia and China sat on their hands while ZOG invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria. They won't do shit for Iran either...

???

Technically, ZATO has yet to occupy Syria. I think it is an important distinction. When Syria is invaded, or bombed, Iran follows shortly thereafter.

The empire grows weak launching all the wars it is currently engaged in. If Russia were to take an aggressive militaristic stance, allowing the US to overextend itself is a smart move. It makes the US weaker.


What kind of response do you think would follow if Russia dropped 100kt (bunker buster) nukes on Mexico? This would cause tremendous polluting fallout over South US, etc.

On the other side of the world, bunker buster nukes are the only way to take out some of Iran's nuclear facilities from the air. "Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator"

I think it would escalate in an out of hand fashion very quickly. I've thought for some time now the plan for these guys was to start the next world war vis-a-vis Iran/Israel ultimately leading to all out nuclear war. I've also thought for some time Russia is going to use its weapons on the US, with this IvsI war as the precursor.

[keehah]

After all this time on forums like this one Keehah, I ask in all seriousness, how you still find yourself able to tune into Alex (Z for Zionism) Jones?
I'm not sure what you mean by still? I've not listened to the show all that long. It was part of my quitting TV completely this year.

Today Mike Adams was the main host. Last half hour they discussed the Journal of Neuroscience article (I posted here (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?33998-A-Heads-Up-Look-at-Brain-Health-(interesting)&p=468832#post468832) a few days ago): A Specific Brain Structural Basis for Individual Differences in Reality Monitoring.

I think it was an important clue that may explain society today. It is something I have been thinking about much since when attempting to further understand our state as I go about my days. It was great to get more insight and exposure to it on the show today.

As for tuning into Zionist news, well that is most of the news eh?

As for your strawman only war to hold me account for proof, I will not understand.
Green light for war does not mean a go for war (someone has to still put their foot on the gas eh?).
Steve claims he did this to expose and shame them into stopping going to war.
I also leave room for the possibility Steve was full of BS (cover for economic problems and other reasons) and the war starts anyway. Say for example in two weeks when we pass through Elenin's path and someone mistakes pieces of it for an attack by man. Or they need to use all the war junk up there before it gets too damaged.

[Book]

I've also thought for some time Russia is going to use its weapons on the US, with this IvsI war as the precursor.



http://www.thenewsturmer.com/On%20Jews/PutinPresidentRussia.jpg

Not unless his Rabbi tells him to.

:D

[vacuum]

Russia and China sat on their hands while ZOG invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria. They won't do shit for Iran either...

For Iraq and Afghanistan, there was the excuse of WMDs and the 911 fake terrorist incident. Russia has already shown they will move tanks into Georgia, and they have a nuclear technology partnership with Iran.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Show me an American military campaign to overthrow the present U.S. government and put the Republic back in the driver's seat and I'll be the first on the corner waving the stars and stripes supporting them. But if they attack Iran on behalf of Israel I hope they gets their asses handed to them. You DHS narcissists can quote that in my file.

[Serpo]

http://www.wired.com/images/article/full/2007/10/israel_nuke.jpg

Who else to start WW3 but a used car salesman............

[Serpo]

Something just doesn't add up... (http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/10/13/something_just_doesnt_add_up)


Posted By Stephen M. Walt (http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/blog/2072) http://www.foreignpolicy.com/images/091022_meta_block.gif Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 11:58 AM http://www.foreignpolicy.com/images/091022_meta_block.gif http://www.foreignpolicy.com/images/091022_more_icon.gif Share (http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=20)


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_images/111013_walt.jpg
Unless the Obama administration (and in particular, Attorney General Eric Holder), has more smoking gun evidence than they've revealed so far, they are in danger of a diplomatic gaffe on a par with Colin Powell's famous U.N. Security Council briefing about Iraq's supposed WMD programs, a briefing now known to have been a series of fabrications and fairy tales.

The problem is that the harder one looks at the allegations about Manour Ababasiar, the fishier the whole business seems. There's no question that Iran has relied upon assassination as a foreign policy tool in the past, but it boggles the mind to imagine that they would use someone as unreliable and possibly unhinged as Ababsiar. I won't rehash the many questions that can and should be raised about this whole business; for compelling skeptical dissections, see Glenn Greenwald (http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/12/the_very_scary_iranian_terror_plot/singleton/), Juan Cole (http://www.juancole.com/2011/10/wagging-the-dog-with-irans-maxwell-smart.html), Tony Karon (http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/10/12/will-the-washington-bomb-plot-force-obama-into-war-with-iran/), and John Glaser (http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/12/no-direct-evidence-of-iranian-government-complicity-in-arbabsiar-plot/).

As I said yesterday, I don't know what actually happened here, and I remain open to the possibility that there really was some sort of officially-sanctioned Iranian plot to assassinate foreign ambassadors here on U.S. soil. But the more I think about it, the less plausible whole thing appears. In particular, blowing up buildings in the United States is an act of war, and history shows that the United States is not exactly restrained when it responds to direct attacks on U.S. soil. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and we eventually firebombed many Japanese cities and dropped two atomic bombs on them. Al Qaeda destroyed the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, and we went out and invaded not one but two countries in response. When it comes to hitting back, in short, we tend to do so with enthusiasm.
Iran's leaders are not stupid, and surely they would have known that a plot like this ran the risk of triggering a very harsh U.S. response. Given that extraordinary risk, is it plausible to believe they would have entrusted such a sensitive mission to a serial bungler like Ababsiar? If you are going to attack a target in the United States, wouldn't you send your A Team, instead of Mr. Magoo?

Hence the growing skepticism, including the possibility that this might be some sort of "false flag" operation by whatever groups or countries might benefit from further deterioration in U.S.-Iranian relations. If the Obama administration can't back up their allegations in a convincing way, they are going to face a diplomatic backlash and they are going to look like the Keystone Cops. They could even face a situation where rightwing war-mongers seize on their initial accusations to clamor for harsh action (a development that has already begun), while moderates at home and abroad lose confidence in the administration's competence, credibility, and basic honesty.

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/10/13/something_just_doesnt_add_up

[Serpo]

'Zionists behind US anti-Iran claim'
Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:0AM GMT
http://www.reddit.com/static/spreddit1.gif (http://www.reddit.com/submit?title=%27Zionists%20behind%20US%20anti-Iran%20claim%27)Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/submit?title=%27Zionists%20behind%20US%20anti-Iran%20claim%27)
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20111013/hosseinsharifi20111013102549793.jpgSaudi Ambassador to the United States Adel al-Jubeir
The Zionist lobby has undeniably influenced the United States in accusing Iran of plotting to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington, a political analyst tells Press TV.


“Regardless of the impertinence and hollowness of the claim, one should not disregard the influence of the powerful Zionist lobby in the new mudslinging plan,” Ismail Salami told Press TV on Wednesday.

The political analyst went on to say that the move is part of a US ploy that seeks to “demonize” the Islamic Republic of Iran.

On Tuesday, the US Justice Department accused Iran of involvement in a plot to assassinate Saudi Arabian Ambassador to Washington Adel Al-Jubeir with help from a suspected member of a Mexican drug cartel.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called upon other nations on Wednesday to join the US in “condemning this threat to international peace and security.”

Salami described the remarks made by Clinton as comments that sought to enhance “Iranophobia” in the world.

The latest accusations come as the United States and its staunch ally, Israel, have devised numerous anti-Iran plots over the past years, including targeted assassination of Iranian scientists.

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has admitted the Western-hatched plots in Iran, praising the US government for its “good works” in assassinating Iranian scientists, Salami pointed out.

The analyst further explained that the US officials will now try to use the allegation to press for new international sanctions against the Islamic Republic.

Referring to the history of covert US and Israeli plots in Iran, Salami pointed out that the US government has committed unforgettable acts of terror against the Iranian nation throughout the past decades.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/204314.html

[praetorian]

This will be a US operation, No Israeli forces involved. Turkey will engage Syria at the same time, toppling Assad. Israel will move to quell Hezbollah and the Palis.China gets stable uninterrupted oil deliveries, Russia gets Chechen weapon supply removed, Turkey becomes solid leader of Islamic world,and access to Kurdish targets in Iraq and Iran.. Of course there will be banging and mandatory protests by the Russians and China,along with Turkish condemnation of the US attack, but they will all be in it. No WWIII , Wildcard is if Egypt still has enough military strength to engage Israel when they come for Gaza, and if the Balkans dont explode.

[keehah]

Behind it is keep the pubic ignorant to support elite pathic war, so on the surface we are offered propaganda monkey chimp outs.

Iran TV to be Banned from UK TV networks.

http://presstv.com/detail/204207.html

[October 13, 2011] The UK Office of Communications (Ofcom) has succumbed to the British royal family's demands to ban Press TV activities despite the Iranian news network's compliance with the law.

The British media regulator has reportedly decided to remove the channel from the SKY platform. The move is considered to be an abuse of the UK media law and the result of mounting pressure on the organization by certain members of the royal family and government.

While being powerless to scrutinize the law compliance of such state-manipulated channels as the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), Ofcom issued a verdict on May 23, 2011 that Press TV has breached its rules by airing a 10 second extract from an interview with Iranian-born Canadian Journalist Maziar Bahari while he was still in detention in an Iranian prison. ...

With some 3.5 million UK children living in poverty, many Britons have been feeling "voiceless" and despicably unrepresented by the state-regulated media outlets, which prefer to pay lip-service to the royals and their star-studded wedding entourage wallowing in the luxurious comfort of their public-funded mansions unmindful of the plight of the common man down the street.

A quick glance at the senior decision makers at Ofcom reveals that the regulator is mostly made up of former Channel 4 and BBC executives, some of whom are well-linked to and influenced by powerful pro-Israeli politicians and US sympathizers.

...According to an Iranian Intelligence Ministry statement, the members of the network provided the BBC with propaganda subjects to be exploited in psychological warfare by the enemies of Iranian nation.

On September 20, Iran's Intelligence Ministry Heidar Moslehi announced the arrest of members of an illegal network charged with feeding the UK information under the guise of working for the state-run BBC.

...On October 5, Peter Horrocks, BBC's head of global services, urged the UK government to take action against Iran for what he alleged to be the suppression of "free media" by the Iranian authorities.

Interesting to read the youtube comments for this video. Remember the last year or so many of us noted how MSM public comment threads read like good forum threads? Well this is the first time I've thought the same thing with youtube comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3rBKJZAhLL4
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8825105/US-poised-to-impose-further-sanctions-on-Iran-over-Saudi-plot.html


Anyone catch the end of the radio show today? Holy Jews working for Nazi Germany cows! Guest was listing Jews working for Hitler in Nazi Germany. 135,000. Then started listing names.

IMO the Pentagon does not want to take main responsibility (after the Obama administration) for this if it happens.

[gunDriller]

i hope someone sends Hillary a strong message - that of Zero Tolerance for her pimping for Israel.

[keehah]

The Zion Puppet rif-faff is getting onboard:

Iran 'most significant' threat to world: Harper (http://www.canada.com/news/Iran+most+significant+threat+world+Harper/5551346/story.html#ixzz1anF8cfKb)

By Mark Kennedy, Postmedia News October 14, 2011

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper took direct aim at Iran on Friday, describing the regime as the biggest threat in the world to peace and security.

Harper made the remarks to journalists as he responded to questions about whether Canada will impose new sanctions after this week's startling accusation by the United States government that Iran had plotted to kill the Saudi ambassador to the U.S.

"We have no quarrel with the Iranian people," said Harper.

"But the regime in Tehran represents probably the most significant threat in the world to global peace and security. So we take these matters very, very seriously and we'll be working with our allies."

Harper said Canada condemns "in the strongest possible terms" the plot that was unveiled this week.

"And it only reiterates the position that our government has been expressing for several years now."

The prime minister said he wasn't prepared to say this early how Canada will respond to this latest incident.

"We already have a range of sanctions on the government of Iran. Obviously, as a consequence of the revelations this week we'll be working closely with our allies to co-ordinate next steps."

Earlier this week, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said Canada and other countries were looking at possible "consequences" for Iran as a penalty for the alleged plot.

Iran has strongly denied any involvement in the alleged assassination scheme.

[keehah]

U.S. considers sanctions on Iran's central bank
Such a move, in response to the alleged assassination plot on a Saudi envoy, could severely damage Iran's economy. Some Iranian officials have said they would consider it an act of war (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-banking-20111014,0,5413129.story)

[LA Times, October 14, 2011]

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-10/65404708.jpg
Treasury Undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence David Cohen testifies in Washington. (Brendan Hoffman / Getty Images / October 13, 2011)

President Obama said Thursday that he wasn't sure if top Iranian leaders personally knew of the plot to kill the Saudi ambassador, but he said they should be held accountable anyway.

"Even if at the highest levels there was no detailed operational knowledge," Obama said, "there has to be accountability with respect to anybody in the Iranian government engaging in this kind of activity."

Obama said Iran must "answer to the international community" for anyone in its government engaged in terrorist activity.

Both the George W. Bush administration and the Obama administration have looked at sanctions on the central bank in recent years, even as a series of economic strictures have been placed on Tehran in an unsuccessful attempt to convince the regime to abandon its suspected nuclear weapons program.

But officials have been hesitant to take a major step against the central bank, in part because of a reluctance to damage financial institutions that are essential to national economies...

Congress last year slapped sanctions on Iranian banks involved in the energy sector to bar them from contact with the U.S. financial system. But U.S. officials say these banks have continued to conduct oil business because the central bank has secretly carried out the transactions on their behalf.

In his testimony, Cohen said U.S. officials were also considering another proposal many lawmakers favor: halting all sales of oil products made from Iranian crude to the U.S. market. Americans use gasoline that is refined from Iranian crude by international oil companies, which then distribute it in the United States. Cohen said Treasury economists were studying that proposal to evaluate its effect on oil markets.

[keehah]

US refused to hand information on alleged plot: Iran (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/us-refused-to-hand-information-on.html)

[Oct.16, 2011] TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran said on Saturday that the US government rebuffed its request to hand over information on an alleged Iranian plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

"This person has had no link to Islamic Republic of Iran entities," the foreign ministry said in a statement received by AFP, referring to a suspect named by the United States.

"Based on legal norms, if there is any claim against any other government, the US government should submit the accused person's information to the other country and request cooperation," it said.

"The US government, despite a clear request from the Islamic Republic of Iran and contrary to international conventions, has not taken any action in this regard," the ministry added.

The statement came a day after conflicting reports from Tehran and its arch-foe, Washington, over contacts.

Local media reported Friday that Iran's mission to the United Nations denied "direct contact" between Iranian and American officials, after State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland told reporters that Washington and Tehran had had such contact over the alleged plot.

Nuland later insisted Washington had direct contact with Tehran.

[mick silver]

Iran warning over US death plot claims

Updated: 16:24, Sunday, 16 October 2011
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Iran has warned of a "decisive response" to any "inappropriate action" over US claims of a Tehran-directed assassination plot.
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Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has warned of a "decisive response" to any "inappropriate action" over US claims of a Tehran-directed assassination plot.

"If American officials are entertaining any illusions, they should know that any inappropriate action - whether political or security-related - will meet with the Iranian people's decisive response," he said in a speech in western Iran, according to his official website.

Mr Khamenei, who has already labelled the plot claims "absurd," warned: "The Islamic republic of Iran will face off any plot, or destructive or obstructive measures, with all its might."

The remarks came as US officials consult with allies and other countries on ratcheting up pressure on Iran, which is already subject to UN and US sanctions over its controversial nuclear programme.

Iran has fiercely denied any involvement in the thwarted plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

But US President Barack Obama has vowed Iran will "pay a price" for what he says is incontrovertible proof it had a hand in trying to contract a Mexican drug cartel to carry out the hit.

Saudi Arabia has also said it will make "a suitable response" over the alleged plot, which it has requested be brought to the attention of the UN Security Council.

Britain and France have said they will back any measure to punish Iran on the issue.

Bombing
The US Justice Department and FBI say the alleged plot leads back to officials inside the Quds Force, a special operations outfit within Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards.

Quds Force personnel are said to have transferred nearly $100,000 to the bank account used by a member of the Mexican drug cartel who was really a paid US informant.

The money was allegedly a down payment for a $1.5-million-dollar hit on the Saudi ambassador, Adel al-Jubeir, possibly through the bombing of a Washington restaurant.

An Iranian used-car salesman who is a naturalised US citizen living in Texas, Manssor Arbabsiar, is said to have confessed to acting as the go-between for his cousin, whom he described as a high-ranking official in the Quds Force, and the Mexican cartel.

Arbabsiar is in US custody, charged with the plot.

The US Justice Department has also charged another Iranian identified as Gholam Shakuri, who is said to be an Iran-based Quds Force operative who flew to the United States to speak with Ababsiar. Shakuri is now believed to be in Iran.

[Eyebone]

Aren't all "cartel" members employees of the CIA?

[Awoke]

If (I pray not when) the bombs fall on Iran it is the number 1 bug out criteria for me. You won't see dmac on gsus should this war start.

This is the thing I struggle with. I already spoke to my wife about this stuff, bugging out, etc. I said "You have to trust me: When I say it's time to go, we have to go, and that means leaving everything behind, the house, the jobs, everything"

She agreed. So then, I find myself wondering how long I'm going to wait before we bug out. I know if they go on the attack with Iran, the S is gonna start to HTF at an accelerated pace, but I think I will probably stay put until certain things occur.

My BO signs off the top of my head would be any one of these indicators:
- Bombs start dropping on North American soil
- Military start rounding up people for FEMA camps
- Any major FF event in the GTA

I think I would be waiting last minute, because as much as I hate the system, I am stuck in it, and I carry a mortgage, vehicle payments, etc, have kids in school, work jobs, etc. To walk away from it all means to walk away from my house and risk losing it, risk losing my job, etc. I am not willing to do that unless I know it's time to legitimately fight for my family's life.
When the card house falls down and the S has HTF in a real and serious way, I will be willing to walk away from it all, but I don't want to be too pre-emptive and pull the chute too early.


EDIT to add: Alex Jones is a controlled piece of shit fear mongerer and a liar.


EDITED for typos

[undgrd]

If the US attacks Iran, I expect to see the type of things you're describing Awoke. It would not surprise me one bit to see Iranian Americans shuttled off to camps first. This would be a clear signal (to me) it's the beginning of game over.

State sponsored preemptive strikes on enemies is the hallmark of a Communist/Socialist/Fascist Regime...not a Democratic Republic.

[Book]

I am stuck in it, and I carry a mortgage, vehicle payments, etc, have kids in school, work jobs, etc. To walk away from it all means to walk away from my house and risk losing it, risk losing my job, etc. I am not willing to do that unless I know it's time to legitimately fight for my family's life.



Russia isn't gonna lob nukes at the USA over Iran. Bugging out is just becoming a vulnerable refugee. Stay put.

[Awoke]

Russia isn't gonna lob nukes at the USA over Iran. Bugging out is just becoming a vulnerable refugee. Stay put.

I removed you from my ignore list this morning.

It's not Russia I am worried about.

[DMac]

This is the thing I struggle with. I already spoke to my wife about this stuff, bugging out, etc. I said "You have to trust me: When I say it's time to go, we have to go, and that means leaving everything behind, the house, the jobs, everything"

She agreed. So then, I find myself wondering how long I'm going to wait before we bug out. I know if they go on the attack with Iran, the S is gonna start to HTF at an accelerated pace, but I think I will probably stay put until certain things occur.

My BO signs off the top of my head would be any one of these indicators:
- Bombs start dropping on North American soil
- Military start rounding up people for FEMA camps
- Any major FF event in the GTA

I think I would be waiting last minute, because as much as I hate the system, I am stuck in it, and I carry a mortgage, vehicle payments, etc, have kids in school, work jobs, etc. To walk away from it all means to walk away from my house and risk losing it, risk losing my job, etc. I am not willing to do that unless I know it's time to legitimately fight for my family's life.
When the card house falls down and the S is HTF in a real and serious way, I will be willing to walk away from it all, but I don't want to be too pre-emptive and pull the shute too early.


EDIT to add: Alex Jones is a controlled piece of shit fear mongerer and a liar.

For me it is a decision (I've told work) that I won't be returning to the office. I will work remotely but my days in NYC are over.

Should some of those other criteria start to happen (camps etc) I'm leaving the country.

[PatColo]

this blogger "Lord Stirling" has been, perhaps fear mongering perhaps just realistic, but saying an attack on Iran would yield a bio/chem response from them- as they have a world-class bio/chem weapon stockpile. Check his links:
http://europebusines.blogspot.com

Anything goes boom in the US, or there's a bio/chem warfare outbreak, my first guess as to the perps would be the usual suspects, and I don't mean Iran. But the ZSM would be pumping out disinfo 24/7, seeking to deceive people into thinking whatever lies benefit the zio's agenda(s). Which unfortunately includes depopulation. By this measure, Stirling could be pumping disinfo himself- I'm unconvinced he's authentic-- and prepping his readers' minds for when TPTB pull a bio/chem warfare op in the US and blame it on Iran, americans will more readily believe it. I trust the Iranians know all about who controls the US, and they know that killing a bunch of innocent (if not also gullible/naive) americans would not serve any Iranian interest, only the zios.

However, if war breaks out, and something goes boom in Tel Aviv, I might be convinced the Iranians did it, or their allies.

[PatColo]

FWIW, & something I haven't seen any GSUS thread on:

Historically large USAF heavy airlift "drill", beginning Monday, is centered on Middle East ~ link (http://www.debka.com/article/21389/) ~ Folks, if you live in the Middle East now is a good time to take an overseas vacation! One of my best friends is traveling to Egypt today, I tried to warn him. Last time, I warned him not to make that trip he ignored me, but the tour operator canceled it due to the Egyptian Revolution. I do not have a 'crystal ball' but it is clear that the Global Banking Cartel families and the nuts in the Netanyahu Administration want a Regional War, and that their puppets in the Obama Administration are going along with it. I have to say that this so-called heavy lift "drill" may in fact be the lead-in to a massive war. This is a really good time to get closer to God!!! Stirling


The United States launches a large-scale exercise over the Middle East deploying 41 giant transports of the 22nds Airlift Squadron Monday Oct. 17, the day before the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit is scheduled to be released by Hamas. The US Transportation Command and its Air Forces Transportation will be testing its ability to provide a rapid strategic airlift response to major crises and contingencies.
Tuesday morning, when the Israel and Hamas prisoner exchange is due to be executed, the giant US transports will drill landings in Israel and Saudi Arabia. The aircraft will be packed with command and control elements and fighting units with full equipment.

debkafile's military sources report that during this critical week, the exercise ending Friday, Oct. 21 will keep an American air fleet in Middle East skies ready to land at any moment for any contingency. The Israeli, Egyptian and Saudi armies are on a high state of preparedness.

In parallel, The USS John C. Stennis aircraft carrier is on its way from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean. Last Tuesday Oct. 11, as the US officials accused the Iranian government of directing a plot to assassination the Saudi ambassador to Washington, the Stennis was nearing the Red Sea. The missions of the Stennis Battle Group, consisting of an additional seven warships, most of them destroyers and frigates, as well as Air Wing CVW-9, are to provide ground troops with combat support and strike land and sea targets. It is also able to sow mines over large areas around coastal regions and on the high sea.

[DMac]

this blogger "Lord Stirling" has been, perhaps fear mongering perhaps just realistic, but saying an attack on Iran would yield a bio/chem response from them- as they have a world-class bio/chem weapon stockpile. Check his links:
http://europebusines.blogspot.com

Anything goes boom in the US, or there's a bio/chem warfare outbreak, my first guess as to the perps would be the usual suspects, and I don't mean Iran. But the ZSM would be pumping out disinfo 24/7, seeking to deceive people into thinking whatever lies benefit the zio's agenda(s). Which unfortunately includes depopulation. By this measure, Stirling could be pumping disinfo himself- I'm unconvinced he's authentic-- and prepping his readers' minds for when TPTB pull a bio/chem warfare op in the US and blame it on Iran, americans will more readily believe it. I trust the Iranians know all about who controls the US, and they know that killing a bunch of innocent (if not also gullible/naive) americans would not serve any Iranian interest, only the zios.

However, if war breaks out, and something goes boom in Tel Aviv, I might be convinced the Iranians did it, or their allies.


Back before GIM1 was memory holed I created a post that dug into the Iranian WMD. I tracked down through the net various ex-Soviet biological warfare scientists that were brought into Iran after 1991. From that point I researched the various types of projects they were publicly working on. Several of them work openly in university while there were other names I could not track down but were confirmed seen in Iran. I assumed these folks went to the military.

After doing this research back in 08 or 09 I became convinced the Iranians (who have world class biology labs and scientists) have developed a WMD of the biological type.

I've written in the past how I think Stirling can be a bit of a fear monger at times, but in this point, I have to agree with him.

If the bombs fall on Iran, and some sort of nuke is used against them (bunker buster etc), I think the Iranians might retaliate with a biological WMD hit on major cities.

[Awoke]

Dmac if TSHTF here in North American soil you can bet your balls that there will be nowhere in this world "safe" to go.

If it gets that bad, I will hunker down and fight. I am not about to flee to another Country (especially without firearms, which you will not be bringing with you on a plane) just to get killed by some locals who theink I'm a "Filthy American" or some crap like that.

Just sayin, there will be no corner in the globe that is safe is TSHTF in America.

[undgrd]

IMO, the best Bugout location would probably be somewhere of extreme climate/inhospitable landscape. North into the wilderness or into the Desert. I'd rule out the Desert just because there's little to no cover to hide and harder to get water than the wilderness.

[keehah]

When I say it's time to go, we have to go, and that means leaving everything behind, the house, the jobs, everything"..

EDIT to add: Alex Jones is a controlled piece of shit fear mongerer and a liar.
Exposure to more fear mongering from Alex Jones over the years could have prompted you to prepare a little more.

BTW, it seems Alex has been bugged out since this became news.

[Awoke]

Haha, don't worry, I'm prepped.

I just don't have my house paid off, etc.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

This is the thing I struggle with. I already spoke to my wife about this stuff, bugging out, etc. I said "You have to trust me: When I say it's time to go, we have to go, and that means leaving everything behind, the house, the jobs, everything"

She agreed. So then, I find myself wondering how long I'm going to wait before we bug out. I know if they go on the attack with Iran, the S is gonna start to HTF at an accelerated pace, but I think I will probably stay put until certain things occur.

My BO signs off the top of my head would be any one of these indicators:
- Bombs start dropping on North American soil
- Military start rounding up people for FEMA camps
- Any major FF event in the GTA

I think I would be waiting last minute, because as much as I hate the system, I am stuck in it, and I carry a mortgage, vehicle payments, etc, have kids in school, work jobs, etc. To walk away from it all means to walk away from my house and risk losing it, risk losing my job, etc. I am not willing to do that unless I know it's time to legitimately fight for my family's life.
When the card house falls down and the S is HTF in a real and serious way, I will be willing to walk away from it all, but I don't want to be too pre-emptive and pull the shute too early.


EDIT to add: Alex Jones is a controlled piece of shit fear mongerer and a liar.



Right there with you- on all points.

Feelin' your pain.

[gunDriller]

Alex Jones is a controlled piece of shit fear mongerer and a liar.

i have a friend from GIM that likes to listen to Alex Jones. so i got to listen to Jones on car trips.

what i notice is, when you listen to him, your blood pressure goes up, because he talks about stuff that is really disturbing.

anyway, speaking of fear mongering, YEAH, that's AJ. there's a difference between fear-mongering & just telling the truth about the beautiful AND sick world we live in.


that plus the plethora of ads on his website, the lack of sincerity when he says, "my friends", and my general feeling that he doesn't give a shYt about anything he broadcasts about.

oh yeah, Drudge Report links to him.

[Awoke]

Matt Drudge = jew

just sayin.

[Large Sarge]

a few years ago, Richard Maybury covered an attack on Iran, and he said it would be contrary to popular opinion.

meaning you would see a mass exodus of carriers out of the persian gulf, moving towards the Indian ocean and the mediterannean (sp?).

simply because the military is well aware of the missile capability of the Iranians (the sunburst or sunfire?).

so it is in the U.S. interest to be out of dodge before the shooting starts.

I believe one of the posts above said that one of the carriers was leaving the gulf region for the med.

if we see a few more join that, then I would take that as a strong signal that this is really going to happen...

[Awoke]

what i notice is, when you listen to him, your blood pressure goes up, because he talks about stuff that is really disturbing.


Totally. He makes a lot of money scaring the shit out of people. I don;t want to derail the thread, because we've talked about AJ lots in other threads, but although he had a large part in waking me up, I think he's a plant.

[Joe King]

Totally. He makes a lot of money scaring the shit out of people. I don;t want to derail the thread, because we've talked about AJ lots in other threads, but although he had a large part in waking me up, I think he's a plant.Since you say he had a large part in waking you up and that he's a plant, had he not been "planted" would you still be asleep?

[keehah]

National AM news reporting unnamed source leaked a future UN report that "agrees with what intelligence analysts have been saying for years" that Iran has "immanent capability" to put a nuclear warhead on a missle and lauch it to weaken "American interests" in the area.

It was like a steroid version of the same talking point the Guardian pimped a few days ago as this article refers to:

Redress.cc: The Guardian of Israel (http://www.redress.cc/global/gatzmon20111106)
6 November 2011

To date, we’ve not seen any British official statement suggesting that Britain is ready to back either the US or Israel in any possible strike on Iran.

On 2 November it joined the hasbara chorus and informed us that the UK military has, “amid fresh nuclear fears”, stepped up plans for an attack on Iran.

The Guardian didn’t even try to substantiate its claim. Instead, it produced a gossipy news story that didn’t adhere to the most minimal journalistic standards.

The Guardian reported that “British officials say that if Washington presses ahead it will seek, and receive, UK military help for any mission, despite some deep reservations within the coalition government”. This is a somewhat bizarre statement considering the complete silence of the government and the British Ministry of Defence [MoD] on the matter. Could Britain launch another criminal war (this time, potentially a nuclear world war) with no public discussion or even a single official government comment on the subject? I don’t think so.

Did the Guardian make it up? I doubt it – it’s just suspiciously too damn similar to the official Israeli hasbara line. On the face of it, it looks as if the Guardian has, quite simply, joined the Israeli war machine.
guardian.co.uk UK military steps up plans for Iran attack amid fresh nuclear fears (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/02/uk-military-iran-attack-nuclear)

[mamboni]

I hope Israel gets decimated.

You're nothing but a dick-stabbing anti-semite!!!;D