I need some (non-mainstream) medical help...

[Gaillo]

Good people,

For the last 3 days I've had a "situation" that doesn't seem to be getting any better. I think I have either an inflamed left kidney, or an intestinal blockage. It feels just fine when I sit still, but whenever I move, try to sit up or lie down, etc. I have the WORST lower-back pain I've ever experienced. I can feel something "aching" in the lower-left abdominal area, midway between my bellybutton and leg connection. When I stand up straight and square and look straight down, I can see that my abdomen is slightly distended on the left, as if something is swollen.

This isn't getting any worse, but it isn't getting any better either. I'd like to avoid the clutches of the emergency room white-coats for as long as possible, without inadvertently killing myself over something that might be easily fixable.

I have:

(a) Had nothing to drink (alcohol-related) since this started, other than about 2 oz. of rum to dull the pain when it very first appeared (thinking it was just a backache)

(b) Been drinking a LOT of water, and (starting yesterday) a bunch of cranberry juice

(c) Been eating pretty well/healthy... other than a cookie with my coffee yesterday. Had a 9-ounce grilled ribeye with grilled potatoe and salad last night and a few homemade burritoes the day before (I typically only have one "real" meal a day, and snacks like raw almonds, celery, or toast throughout the day).

(d) Bowel movements have been somewhat regular, but painful (due to the backache) and perhaps a bit.. ahem... low in volume. I feel a bit "backed up".

(e) I'm starting heavy raw-garlic today.

Any thoughts or suggestions? This thing is now at the point that it's gone beyond annoyance and into seriously derailing my life! :(

Many thanks in advance...

[Dogman]

Hernia , IMHO

And if if it gets strangulated you are in big trouble.

[Gaillo]

Hernia , IMHO

And if if it gets strangulated you are in big trouble.

I thought that might be it, but I have no pain in my groin, no fever, no nausea... the symptoms don't quite seem to fit.

[mick silver]

you need to talk to the house doc we have here

[Gaillo]

you need to talk to the house doc we have here

Yes, I'm hoping he'll show up...

[mamboni]

Several possibilities with those symptoms (my acute abdomen skills are rusty)

1. Urinary tract stone - can be in the pelvis (kidney) or in the ureter (obstructing flow), the latter will lead to kidney failure. Pelvic stones can be associated with posture-related pain.
2. Diverticulitis/diverticular abscess - bowel movements do not rule this out

Other entites are far less common. Your ability to see fullness on the left is an ominous sign. I would strongly urge you to be examined by a general surgeon and I guarantee the first two tests he will order are a CBC (inexpensve blood count) and Abdominal Ultrasound (also inexpensive and fast). The latter will pinpoint the problem. You might get away with just antibiotics PO and dietary changes if it's number 2. If it's number 1 they might need to laparascope. There is no point in playing guessing games and asking you questions like whether you have fever, weight loss, etc. Please go see the doctor.

Good luck. Come back well.

[mightymanx]

A few questions:


Does it get worse after eating?

How is your urine output?

What if anything makes the pain go away?

What makes the main worse?

Did you do anyting out of the ordinary just prior to the pain starting?

[Gaillo]

Several possibilities with those symptoms (my acute abdomen skills are rusty)

1. Urinary tract stone - can be in the pelvis (kidney) or in the ureter (obstructing flow), the latter will lead to kidney failure. Pelvic stones can be associated with posture-related pain.
2. Diverticulitis/diverticular abscess - bowel movements do not rule this out

Other entites are far less common. Your ability to see fullness on the left is an ominous sign. I would strongly urge you to be examined by a general surgeon and I guarantee the first two tests he will order are a CBC (inexpensve blood count) and Abdominal Ultrasound (also inexpensive and fast). The latter will pinpoint the problem. You might get away with just antibiotics PO and dietary changes if it's number 2. If it's number 1 they might need to laparascope. There is no point in playing guessing games and asking you questions like whether you have fever, weight loss, etc. Please go see the doctor.

Good luck. Come back well.

Mamboni,
Thanks! Urination is normal, with no pain (other than the back muscle pain from "squeezing"). Does this rule out either of your possibilities, or suggest others?

[Gaillo]

A few questions:


Does it get worse after eating?

How is your urine output?

What if anything makes the pain go away?

What makes the main worse?

Did you do anyting out of the ordinary just prior to the pain starting?

Mightymanx,
Answers:

No, it doesn't seem to get worse after eating.

Urine output normal, and unpainful.

The only thing that seems to make the pain diminish/go away is to (a) Pass gas, or (b) not change my body position. Whether lying down, standing, or sitting, as long as I don't change position I feel very little pain, only a dull background "ache" in the lower-left.

The pain is worse when I shift position, try to stand up or sit, pretty much anything that flexes my lower-back muscles in any way. Sneezing (I unfortunately have BAD allergies this time of year) sends me into sheer AGONY.

Final question, re: "out of the ordinary"... when I first started feeling the pain, it was just the dull "ache" accompanied by slight back pain. I downed a large glass of water, and it went away for about 5 minutes, then came back. I then did some stretches, a few one-handed elevated (chair) pushups, and about 10 minutes later took a 2-oz. slug of rum to dull the pain. Went away for an hour or two, then was back with a VENGEANCE. Been the same ever since.

[Twisted Titan]

I througly respect your apprehension about the er

I have seen the games they play and how staff /docs cover for each other when the screw up

that being said you need to go asap to pinpoint what is going on....

as long as your clear about your intentions. and excersise basic inteligence your visit wont be to tramatic...

don't be afraid to tell them you prefer to be seen by the staff physician rather then a redisent... you set the tone your first interaction and they will treat you better.

I wish you a speedy recovery

[Libertytree]

I had this same thing happen to me in Costa Rica, mine wound up being a blockage in my intestines from eating beans that weren't fully cooked and the hulls had me "bound up". It lasted about 6 days and in hindsight I wish I could have taken some kind of laxative or some such, maybe you could eat something really greasy as well? It sounds like this is the cheapest and simplist way to start before you go to a doc or ER.

[Shami-Amourae]

I'm gonna make a list of possible problems that I can think of, then try to list all the possible solutions for all of them. I'll try to find things that work for them all:

Possible problems/solutions:


Kidney Stones (http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/kidney_stones.html)
Gallstones (http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/gallstones.html)
Diverticulitis (http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/diverticulitis.html)

I'm going to stick to digestive system since I don't think it's something else. Bear with me, I'm guestimating here since I'm not YOU. I'm going off of every word you write. I'll make a list of supplements you can get/purchase that should help.

Whenever I have a problem that comes up, I list all the possible problems it might be, then buy/try all the supplements I can to treat it. Usually this cures the problem and I stop taking each of the supplements one by one until I find out what solved the problem:



Grape Seed Extract (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU415/ItemDetail)
Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/BR006/ItemDetail) (1 Tablespoon with every meal)
Coconut Oil (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWE045/ItemDetail)
Tumeric (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW1075/ItemDetail)
Gallbladder Cleanse ---> [How To Link] (http://lifeevents.org/gall-bladder-cleanse.htm)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjMvZTs7e8w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT7b_AbIPUg




Something I'd like to mention about the body. Your body parts don't degrade from 90% down to 50%, where you feel 45% more pain. What happens is your body parts degrade, and when they cross over certain percentages, they stop working, or their function gets critical to where you notice them with intense pain and suffering. My point is this could be a result of something that's been going on a long time. If its in the region I suspect it is, it might have to be a side effect of eating wheat all your life, since wheat absolutely fucks over your digestive system. Stop eating ALL wheat! It takes 3-4 months for the benefits of not eating wheat to take place though, so you have to be patient with this stuff since it can take time to heal.

Also, I want to know if you supplement Calcium? If so do you take calcium in solid form or liquid form?

[Serpo]

.................
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diverticulitis)

[Gaillo]

Shami,
No calcium suppliments of any kind... I eat a lot of broccoli (about every third meal), which is probably my largest calcium source... the only dairy products I eat are extra-sharp cheese, and occasionally sour cream or yoghurt. No milk, ice cream, coffee cream, milk solids, etc.
Off for a tablespoon or 2 of Coconut oil... I'll try that first.

[Serpo]

How do you like your steaks cooked rare or well done..............http://www.livestrong.com/article/339083-eating-meat-makes-my-stomach-hurt/

[mightymanx]

Like Mamboni said though the distention is of concern and you should probably go to the doctor.

Until you hit that threshold, I would fast clear liquids only for a day or two to make sure that the digestive tract was clear and see if that helps. They are going to want you cleaned out anyway if the Doctors have to go looking.

[keehah]

How much cheese?

Thats about what has happened to me a few times this last year eating a over pound of cheese (sharp cheese too) over 2-21/2 days (with wheat bread) ate way too much of this crap with not enough other food.

The discomfort builds over a few days till it suddenly hits me: My shits all fucked up!
I may have had a drop to the floor back pain moment or two, but in terms of pain duration over a day not as bad as 'normal' back pain can be.

Feeling pretty good again by the 5th day and after 2 days of eating light and extra healthy.

[Libertytree]

My question is...what was your diet 3 days prior to this?

[MNeagle]

You haven't eaten any cantelope have you?

Best of luck & keep us updated.

[willie pete]

IF you're passing urine and your bowel movements are normal for you, either without pain, I'd say an Inguinal hernia, ...when you cough or strain, does the "bulge" move at all? given the fact you report to be afebrile without any N&V....my best guess is a hernia

In re-reading your post, you stated your BMs where NOT normal, are they black? are they "ribbon-like"? .....reporting "pain" upon elimination coupled with scant stools, could be indicative of an intestinal blockage....how old are ya? I wouldn't expect to see any colonic tumors in a younger-mid-aged person....although that doesn't mean it couldn't happen, most intestinal and abdominal tumors I've seen have been in older individuals

[Santa]

I'm with Dog... and Mamboni.

I had a significant inguinal hernia for years. It would pinch occasionally and cause temporary blockage, which lead to a wrenched lower back from a weakened vertebrae due to osteoarthritis, or calcium loss in a lower vertebrae.
And I mistook or imagined it for some horrible intestinal growth pressing against my spine.

Go to the Doc.

[Cebu_4_2]

See a chiropractor before emergency, very long story short, chiro fixt me while the med industry wanted to cut shit tubes out of me... really.

[Gaillo]

OK... lots of questions to answer! Hope this doesn't get too "gross"...

Bowel movements... again, they're normal, but a bit on the "light weight" side - not as much crap as usual. I feel "backed up" and a bit bloated. Maybe a little on the "runny" side compared to the usual.

No cantelope... not for years. Me and that stuff don't get along! ;)

When I cough, it doesn't hurt more than usual, only if the cough "wrenches" my lower back, if I'm sitting just right. The "bulge" in my abdomen does NOT move when I cough or sneeze.

The "bulge" or abdominal distension puts my naval about 3/4" off-center to the right (my right) - pushing my naval away from the area that hurts, which is about 3-4 inches to the left of my naval.

As for what I ate 3 days before today? I was in town that day, and stopped by a health-food cafe place. Snacked on a sliced turkey sandwich (on whole wheat bread, with lettuce, tomatoes, and cranberry sauce), with corn chips on the side. That evening, I had broccoli with melted sharp cheese on top, white basmati rice, a piece of garlic bread, and 4 bottles of beer for desert.

As for the cheese, no more than usual... a little over a pound a week between me and Henny... I eat slightly more cheese than she does, so I'll call it 2/3 of a pound a week for me.

As for my steak preference? Grilled outdoors (turned only once) over medium heat to a medium-rare with pink center, but very little if any blood left. How else? ;D

Hope I answered everyone's questions...

I ate about 2 tablespoons of Coconut oil (raw) right after my previous post, seems to be helping some.

[Santa]

If the bulge is next to your belly button, I think it's too high to be an inguinal hernia.

Anyway, like my Momma always said, "if it's bad, it'll get worse."

[willie pete]

If the bulge is next to your belly button, I think it's too high to be an inguinal hernia.

Anyway, like my Momma always said, "if it's bad, it'll get worse."

.....umbilical hernia?

[mamboni]

.....umbilical hernia?

Yep, considering the startling deviation of the umbilicus, there is an abdominal hernia, either umbilical or epigastric. A surgeon can try to reduce it externally. Some form of truss support will have to be worn. Or surgery may be required.

http://hernia.tripod.com/types.html

http://www.herniasurgeryspecialists.com/Hernia_Surgical_Specialists_of_Southern_California ___Dr._Jeffrey_Mazin,_MD/Hernia_Basics___Hernia_Surgical_Specialists_of_Sou thern_California.html

[StreetsOfGold]

I have lost count of how many times something like this has come up in a prayer request @ church.
Doctors are ok and useful but there's nothing better than going to the one who designed and built your body for help.

[mamboni]

I have lost count of how many times something like this has come up in a prayer request @ church.
Doctors are ok and useful but there's nothing better than going to the one who designed and built your body for help.

Gaillo, I implore you, do not walk towards the light!!!;D

[osoab]

You could always try self exploratory surgery. ;D

[Dogman]

You could always try self exploratory surgery. ;D Wow! Would that be like a self inflected gunshot thingy?

Gaillo, do not screw around, go see a doc. The longer you put it off the more danger you may risk

[madfranks]

mamboni, you are one of the best members here, thanks for all your advice, both past a present.

[joboo]

Sounds like it could be a bunch of things. Constipation. kidney stone, diverticulitis, or perhaps an ectopic pregnancy.

http://www.abdopain.com/lower-left-abdominal-pain.html

Stay well hydrated, maybe juice up some fruits & greens.

Feel better soon!

[mamboni]

Sounds like it could be a bunch of things. Constipation. kidney stone, diverticulitis, or perhaps an ectopic pregnancy.

http://www.abdopain.com/lower-left-abdominal-pain.html

Stay well hydrated, maybe juice up some fruits & greens.

Feel better soon!

Ectopic pregnancy? Hmmm.....yes, I suppose it is possible that Gaillo is female or a hermaphrodite. But then again, it begs the question: who be the father?
Rather than "stay well hydrated" the preferred phraseology is "Stay thirsty my friend."

[mamboni]

Mamboni,
Thanks! Urination is normal, with no pain (other than the back muscle pain from "squeezing"). Does this rule out either of your possibilities, or suggest others?

I think Willie Pete hit on it: herniation. The pathologies I mentioned above can cause pain and guarding in the left lower quadrant as you described; but they could never cause umbilical deviation as the pathologies are retroperitoneal, deep in the posterior abdomenal wall. You have a hernia sac my friend. No doubt, this is from lifting those 1000 oz silver bars.;D

[Gaillo]

Gaillo, I implore you, do not walk towards the light!!!;D

No worries. I've considered on more than one occasion today that this thing might end up killing me, yet for some strange reason when faced with my possible impending doom, I STILL don't find the need to believe in imaginary beings and realms! ;)

[keehah]

This what I do when I feel the need, although laying down with the stomach muscles relaxed and moving in concentric circles to and from the navel and will also use fingertips, clockwise and couterclockwise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFOBd8mi8Dc

[Buddha]

Ectopic pregnancy? Hmmm.....yes, I suppose it is possible that Gaillo is female or a hermaphrodite. But then again, it begs the question: who be the father?

Book?

Ok, I've banned myself, see ya in three days.

[mightymanx]

Book?

Ok, I've banned myself, see ya in three days.


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/Bliznack/ohsnap.gif

[Serpo]

I have lost count of how many times something like this has come up in a prayer request @ church.
Doctors are ok and useful but there's nothing better than going to the one who designed and built your body for help.

I always thought that we are it and it is us,

and I guess I always will.

[Serpo]

No worries. I've considered on more than one occasion today that this thing might end up killing me, yet for some strange reason when faced with my possible impending doom, I STILL don't find the need to believe in imaginary beings and realms! ;)

Believing pulls the curtain down on seeing what is true.

[LastResort]

Go get the ultrasound. I hate going to hospitals too....

[Neuro]

Apart from an umbilical hernia it could be a herniated disc in the T12-L2 region that could refer pain into the lower abdomen, the abdominal bulge and the deviated umbilicus could be an effect of altered posture due to trying subconsciously take the weight of the herniated disc. Gaillo does it hurt more if you bend towards left or right, forward backward?

Having said this I would lean more towards some type of abdominal hernia, simply because a hernia in the upper lumbars are very rare... Another thing to consider would be an Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm, but Gaillo is a bit young for that...

[JohnQPublic]

How are you doing, Gaillo? I don't like seeing doctors either, but if this keeps up it would be worth a visit. 95% of the time out turns out to be simpler than you imagine it to be, and the other 5% you really need the doctor.

[mamboni]

How are you doing, Gaillo? I don't like seeing doctors either, but if this keeps up it would be worth a visit. 95% of the time out turns out to be simpler than you imagine it to be, and the other 5% you really need the doctor.

Apparently, Gaillo will not seek medical attention until after an alien head bursts out of his belly.

[Dogman]

Apparently, Gaillo will not seek medical attention until after an alien head bursts out of his belly. Thanks Doc!

As I needed an excuse! 1336


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ

[ximmy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-PvcLzGZ9g

[JohnQPublic]

Apparently, Gaillo will not seek medical attention until after an alien head bursts out of his belly.

And that's assuming the alien head needs medical attention!

[Spectrism]

And that's assuming the alien head needs medical attention!

Is "alien head" code words for boyfriend's peanut butter packer?

Hey Gaylo... LOL.... I can't even type this with a straight face.....
no.... seriously.... get to the frickin doctor immediately.

Don't mess with this... and at least you will get the advantage of modern technology diagnosing what is not right. The next report from you WILL be the findings from a modern medical facility. If you prefer to just rub herbs on your belly or drink herbal teas, stop reading messages from the internet via the modern technology of computers.

We don't have much time left here, but quality of life should not be destroyed in these last days.

[Gaillo]

Spectrism,
That was NOT COOL... a new low for you! :(

Anyway, folks... update.
I feel absolutely GREAT - other than the back pain. I feel strong, alert, no fever, no nausea, not even a stomach ache.
I've been eating coconut oil, a tablespoon at a time, since yesterday. As of about 10:00 PM last night, bowel movements have resumed, and the pain has been subsiding. I actually have a bit more mobility today, I was able to put on my socks today without screaming out in pain! ;)
Like I said in Chat last night, if this gets any worse, I'm off IMMEDIATELY to the ER. If it stays the same, I'll visit ER during my regularly scheduled trip to town on Tue. (tomorrow). If it gets better (which it seems to be doing), I'll skip the ER entirely and take my chances with alien heads! ;D
At this rate, I might actually get some work done today...

[Shami-Amourae]

For pain (in general) try doing the following:



Tumeric
Cayenne
Wild Cherry Extract
MSM

It's a good idea to use this stuff when you have pain since they are anti-inflammatories. They will allow your body to heal painful areas quicker and more effectively with inflammation kept to a minimum. Cayenne is one of my personal favorites now, just make sure you take it in capsule form after a large meal, NEVER on an empty stomach.

[Libertytree]

For pain (in general) try doing the following:




Tumeric
Cayenne
Wild Cherry Extract
MSM


It's a good idea to use this stuff when you have pain since they are anti-inflammatories. They will allow your body to heal painful areas quicker and more effectively with inflammation kept to a minimum. Cayenne is one of my personal favorites now, just make sure you take it in capsule form after a large meal, NEVER on an empty stomach.

MSM? How does watching tv news shows help? ;)

[Dogman]

MSM? How does watching tv news shows help? ;) Brain rot! ;D

[Dogman]

MSM? How does watching tv news shows help? ;) Brain rot! It will make him forget everything else! ;D

[Shami-Amourae]

MSM? How does watching tv news shows help? ;)

It's called MSM for short, unless you want me to say Methylsulfonylmethane. It's organic sulfur, basically.

[Neuro]

Spectrism,
That was NOT COOL... a new low for you! :(

Anyway, folks... update.
I feel absolutely GREAT - other than the back pain. I feel strong, alert, no fever, no nausea, not even a stomach ache.
I've been eating coconut oil, a tablespoon at a time, since yesterday. As of about 10:00 PM last night, bowel movements have resumed, and the pain has been subsiding. I actually have a bit more mobility today, I was able to put on my socks today without screaming out in pain! ;)
Like I said in Chat last night, if this gets any worse, I'm off IMMEDIATELY to the ER. If it stays the same, I'll visit ER during my regularly scheduled trip to town on Tue. (tomorrow). If it gets better (which it seems to be doing), I'll skip the ER entirely and take my chances with alien heads! ;D
At this rate, I might actually get some work done today...
Hey go to a chiropractor for your bad back!

[Cebu_4_2]

Hey go to a chiropractor for your bad back!

+1


.

[Spectrism]

Spectrism,
That was NOT COOL... a new low for you! :(

Anyway, folks... update.
I feel absolutely GREAT - other than the back pain. I feel strong, alert, no fever, no nausea, not even a stomach ache.
I've been eating coconut oil, a tablespoon at a time, since yesterday. As of about 10:00 PM last night, bowel movements have resumed, and the pain has been subsiding. I actually have a bit more mobility today, I was able to put on my socks today without screaming out in pain! ;)
Like I said in Chat last night, if this gets any worse, I'm off IMMEDIATELY to the ER. If it stays the same, I'll visit ER during my regularly scheduled trip to town on Tue. (tomorrow). If it gets better (which it seems to be doing), I'll skip the ER entirely and take my chances with alien heads! ;D
At this rate, I might actually get some work done today...

Hey Gay- just kidding....

but the real thing is that you still have not gone to get the issue fixed. In a SHTF scenario, you don't take unnecessary chances.

In the wild, a sprained ankle could mean your death. Are you trying to simulate such a climate artificially?

OK.... let's say the pain goes away and the swelling disappears. You still don't know what caused it. And if it returns, it may not be so accomodating and leave. Why push it to an ER situation where you take whatever doctor is on call? Get it scheduled with the best specialist available at any time.

[Old Herb Lady]

WOW !!! I was gonna go pop some popcorn for this thread ! Crazy !
Whew ! Glad you're feeling better Gaillo !
I'll spare you my thoughts since you're healing nicely.

I will say tho, whoever mentioned doing a gall bladder flush OMG !!! Never ever flush your gallbladder when you have a possible bowel obstruction
or ANY present bowel issue going on. Very very dangerous !!! Even their own link that was provided in the post said NOT to do it if you are having any illness in the body !

[joboo]

Spectrism,
That was NOT COOL... a new low for you! :(

Anyway, folks... update.
I feel absolutely GREAT - other than the back pain. I feel strong, alert, no fever, no nausea, not even a stomach ache.
I've been eating coconut oil, a tablespoon at a time, since yesterday. As of about 10:00 PM last night, bowel movements have resumed, and the pain has been subsiding. I actually have a bit more mobility today, I was able to put on my socks today without screaming out in pain! ;)
Like I said in Chat last night, if this gets any worse, I'm off IMMEDIATELY to the ER. If it stays the same, I'll visit ER during my regularly scheduled trip to town on Tue. (tomorrow). If it gets better (which it seems to be doing), I'll skip the ER entirely and take my chances with alien heads! ;D
At this rate, I might actually get some work done today...

Good to hear you were just full of shit.

I was beginning to think you were with child from immaculate conception, and about to birth the second coming of Christ to save us all.

;D

[po boy]

Dr. Joel D. Wallach


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vUsFE3sSq8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHaBqaumAMA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joefg-l2zKE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIuAvFett0w&feature=related

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Listen to Mamboni.


In the past I've cured constipation by running 3-5 miles as intensely as possible.

[Grog]

Eating a few pieces of Popeye's or Church's fried chicken always results in a full powered bathroom trip for me.

Was listening to a comedian the other day in the car, "You know why they call it Church's? Because you pray that you make it to the bathroom in time."

[joboo]

You want motion in your ocean?

Some back flow in your Gaillo?

Have a few bowls of this stuff in one day.


http://asset4.kashi.com/images/products/golean_crunch/hero.jpg?9c97605

[Gaillo]

Nope... not just "full of shit" - there's still something wrong. Pain isn't as bad as it was, but it's still there.
We'll see what happens, if this goes on much longer I WILL go to the ER. :(

[Spectrism]

Nope... not just "full of shit" - there's still something wrong. Pain isn't as bad as it was, but it's still there.
We'll see what happens, if this goes on much longer I WILL go to the ER. :(

Going to the ER is not the right choice unless you are dying. Go to a specialist now while you have the choices.

[joboo]

Nope... not just "full of shit" - there's still something wrong. Pain isn't as bad as it was, but it's still there.
We'll see what happens, if this goes on much longer I WILL go to the ER. :(


Maybe diverticulitis? Should heal up though no? Still swelling?

Have you ever got really drunk one night, blacked out, and lost a gerbil?

How sensitive to the touch? Can you push around in there to feel around or is it stabbing pain?

[Gaillo]

Maybe diverticulitis? Should heal up though no? Still swelling?

Have you ever got really drunk one night, blacked out, and lost a gerbil?

How sensitive to the touch? Can you push around in there to feel around or is it stabbing pain?

Ignoring the gerbil comment, here goes:

The swelling that had my naval off-center is gone. The remaining pain is a dull ache, not stabbing, combined with the back pain that is still AGONIZING at times, depending on how I move and how long I've been sitting down, etc. When I push into my abdomen with my fingers, trying to find the "epicenter", there's no definite single-area "sore spot", though the dull ache tells me roughly where it is (area of the left kidney, or maybe slightly higher).

This shit is getting OLDE... I'm actually starting to get a bit pissed off about it! :(

[joboo]

Damn, that sucks.

My guess is diverticulitis would be pin-pointable with pressure, as would anything tumor-esque.

I think you're in the process of birthing a stone.

Nerves are weird like that sometimes. I recently had a knot inbetween my lower shoulder blade that was shooting pains up into the back of my head.

[Mouse]

Pancreatitis for the win. PM me and I will tell you where to send the silver. It's not a pleasant disease and you are going to die from it. Have a nice day and stop drinking like 10 years ago.

Feel better soon, go to the vet.

[Neuro]

Ignoring the gerbil comment, here goes:

The swelling that had my naval off-center is gone. The remaining pain is a dull ache, not stabbing, combined with the back pain that is still AGONIZING at times, depending on how I move and how long I've been sitting down, etc. When I push into my abdomen with my fingers, trying to find the "epicenter", there's no definite single-area "sore spot", though the dull ache tells me roughly where it is (area of the left kidney, or maybe slightly higher).

This shit is getting OLDE... I'm actually starting to get a bit pissed off about it! :(
Sounds like it could be a higher lumbar lower thoracic disc, usually gives a non-specific pain, could also give constipation. If it is movement related it is usually bio-mechanic in origin...

[joboo]

Status update?

[Serpo]

Status update?


constipation

http://www.justsaypictures.com/images/constipated-monkey.jpg

[mightymanx]

So is he like dead or what inquiring minds want to know?

Because if you are still alive we can stop dividing up your stuff, don't want to be rude you know.

[slvrbugjim]

I have had the exact same problem over the years with the same symptoms.

I began doing colon cleanses using psyllium seed husk fiber and bentonite clay and apple juice. I suspected pancreatitus as I was also drinking at the time. Bowel movements may seem normal but the intestinal plaque that builds up on the walls of the intestine will build up over time and expand the intestines especially if you are drinking as this seemed to inhibit the bile production that would normally help with
the lubrication. The back pain is the most common sign of this.

Try to start the morning with several tablespoons of psyllium in apple juice in the morning with large amounts of water. Do this 4 to 5 times through out the day without food throughout the day. Take the bentonite clay in water after each dose. This will help clear out your ileocecal valve which will get the plaque in the intestines moving again.

On a side note, I have done fasts using this and doing home colemas for one to two weeks and have dislodged 7 to 8 pounds of plaque (dark black tar looking stuff that feels like tire rubber) over that time.

Look up VE Iron protocol.

[Dogman]

Methinks that our most favorite guiding banana (have hammer) has been silent for too long, about his condition!

Maybe he was hoping this thread would slide into the wastelands of past posts!

But alas that is not too be!

Bump!!

[Spectrism]

I am wondering too. Whatsup Gaillo? All OK?

[Gaillo]

Still alive. Still in pain. About half of what it was the first few weeks, but still quite painful when certain postures are assumed. Still haven't been to a doctor, and if it keeps subsiding like it has there probably won't be a need for that.

No... I've been absent here lately NOT because I'm dead, just very busy with a project! ;)

[chad]

if you're in pain, why for lord's sake don't you go see a doctor?

[Dogman]

Still alive. Still in pain. About half of what it was the first few weeks, but still quite painful when certain postures are assumed. Still haven't been to a doctor, and if it keeps subsiding like it has there probably won't be a need for that.

No... I've been absent here lately NOT because I'm dead, just very busy with a project! ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H3dFh6GA-A

[willie pete]

Still alive. Still in pain. About half of what it was the first few weeks, but still quite painful when certain postures are assumed. Still haven't been to a doctor, and if it keeps subsiding like it has there probably won't be a need for that.

No... I've been absent here lately NOT because I'm dead, just very busy with a project! ;)


...go get an abdominal CT....

[Cebu_4_2]

See a chiro.

[mightymanx]

Don't eat Spaghetti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!















and do not trust androids named Bishop.