Multi Vitamins / Daily Vitamins

[joboo]

Spent a few hours looking around looking for natural source vitamins and came across this list. Interesting list of ingredients compared to the pharmaceutical lab grade stuff on the market. Especially the Xtendlife premium.

The top 8 price compared:

http://www.multivitaminguide.org/images/cost-per-day-comparison-new.gifhttp://www.multivitaminguide.org/images/Vitamin-Supplements-Price-Effectiveness-Comparison-2.gif

http://www.multivitaminguide.org/price-comparison.html

Full ranking:
http://www.multivitaminguide.org/full-ranking.html


"The Multivitamin Guide is published by VitaLab, a non-for-profit organization dedicated to providing unbiased information to consumers in the area of nutritional supplementation.

VitaLab was established in 2005 and is based in San Francisco, California.
Our team consists of three individuals with backgrounds Microbiology and Organic Chemistry united by the common goal of finding high-quality nutritional supplements in order to enhance our own health and the health of the people around us.

Funding for our website is obtained from Google ads. Our research has not been funded by any of the multivitamin vendors included in this study.

That being said, we do follow our own recommendations. After the results of the study were released, we discontinued taking our old multivitamin brands, and now exclusively use products listed on the top 3 recommended brands (http://www.multivitaminguide.org/top-multivitamins.html) page."

[cortez]

http://www.nutrimedical.com/

i dont use any of these products but i do listen to the radio show , goes on alot about cleansing and eleminating toxins from our bodies

[LastResort]

Alot of "cheap" vitamins are just that "cheap". I wish I had the money to switch my vita min brands. THis company here has some good ones apparently without the toxic binders and fillers.

http://www.pureencapsulations.com/Default.asp

[Shami-Amourae]

Stay away from all synthetic vitamins. You won't absorb much of them unless they are organic. I personally recommend these:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU152/ItemDetail
http://images.swansonvitamins.com/en_US/images/ItemImages_SW/images_id/SWU152_id.jpg

Good luck finding something that has higher quality and is cheaper. It's only 29 cents a day if you take 3 a day as directed. Plus it has a lot of beneficial supplements on top of the vitamins/minerals.

Sorry if I push Swanson a lot, but their products really changed my life. I went from $25 a day Big-Pharma drugs + $6,000 a year in hospital visits/insurance to only $2 a day of supplements/no hospital visits/no insurance. I have not been sick once since (hopefully won't jinx it!) Total game changer, and I've never felt healthier or have any health problems. That's a 95.2% savings.

[Old Herb Lady]

Spent a few hours looking around looking for natural source vitamins and came across this list. Interesting list of ingredients compared to the pharmaceutical lab grade stuff on the market. Especially the Xtendlife premium.

The top 8 price compared:

http://www.multivitaminguide.org/images/cost-per-day-comparison-new.gifhttp://www.multivitaminguide.org/images/Vitamin-Supplements-Price-Effectiveness-Comparison-2.gif

http://www.multivitaminguide.org/price-comparison.html

Full ranking:
http://www.multivitaminguide.org/full-ranking.html


"The Multivitamin Guide is published by VitaLab, a non-for-profit organization dedicated to providing unbiased information to consumers in the area of nutritional supplementation.

VitaLab was established in 2005 and is based in San Francisco, California.
Our team consists of three individuals with backgrounds Microbiology and Organic Chemistry united by the common goal of finding high-quality nutritional supplements in order to enhance our own health and the health of the people around us.

Funding for our website is obtained from Google ads. Our research has not been funded by any of the multivitamin vendors included in this study.

That being said, we do follow our own recommendations. After the results of the study were released, we discontinued taking our old multivitamin brands, and now exclusively use products listed on the top 3 recommended brands (http://www.multivitaminguide.org/top-multivitamins.html) page."


Lots of "vitamin" manufacturers are owned by big pharmaceutical companies & are made from things like sewer sludge & toxic animal parts. ( Shaklee is one on that list)

Shami, love, you're post is an oxymoron. You said not to buy any synthenic vitamins & don't buy any unless they're organic and then you went & posted an inorganic synthetic "vitamin".

Your body is a natural being. You were not made in a laboratory. The only kind of whole food supplement that your body can assimilate is one that 100 % natural wholesome food.
Your body absorbs vitamins but does NOT assimilate them properly.
Once you take and isolate an ingredient out of a food & turn it into a "vitamin" you have changed it, ruined it & it's no good anymore.

Vitamins are junk. Stay away from junk. Herbs are real. Wholesome. Natural. Organic. Not manufactured & cooked in a lab somewhere.
Put live nutrients in your body, get good life......put dead nutrients in your body..... you get the picture !

All the "other added ingredients" are worse than you could possibly know. YUCK !


http://www.foodkills.org/synthetics.html


http://www.mynaturalmarket.com/dr-christopher-vitalerbs-100-whole-food-vitamins-minerals-180-capsules.html

[ximmy]

Lots of "vitamin" manufacturers are owned by big pharmaceutical companies & are made from things like sewer sludge & toxic animal parts. ( Shaklee is one on that list)

Shami, love, you're post is an oxymoron. You said not to buy any synthenic vitamins & don't buy any unless they're organic and then you went & posted an inorganic synthetic "vitamin".

Your body is a natural being. You were not made in a laboratory. The only kind of whole food supplement that your body can assimilate is one that 100 % natural wholesome food.
Your body absorbs vitamins but does NOT assimilate them properly.
Once you take and isolate an ingredient out of a food & turn it into a "vitamin" you have changed it, ruined it & it's no good anymore.

Vitamins are junk. Stay away from junk. Herbs are real. Wholesome. Natural. Organic. Not manufactured & cooked in a lab somewhere.
Put live nutrients in your body, get good life......put dead nutrients in your body..... you get the picture !

All the "other added ingredients" are worse than you could possibly know. YUCK !


http://www.foodkills.org/synthetics.html


http://www.mynaturalmarket.com/dr-christopher-vitalerbs-100-whole-food-vitamins-minerals-180-capsules.html

Old Herb Lady, My dad has been a health food/vitamin spastic pretty much for all my life... I stopped taking all vitamins about 4 years ago... after getting away from his influence and developing my own. Before that my skin smelled like vitamins... :( Everything he takes is bottled or packaged.

I know it is food, water & exercise (sweat) that keeps us healthy... not vitamin compounds. My mom explained rose hips to me the other day from our roses. We ate some & I am thinking about drying some. I'm just only learning about herbs. My mom looked over my yard and says it is full of herbs, growing wildly, I've been chopping them down with the weedwacker. I feel bad that I have not studied them, it is difficult to start new things, I am taking a outdoor survival course with my sister to learn a little more. I think I will devote an area of the yard for these herbs my mom has identified, and let them grow. :-\;):'(:) I guess it's a start??
ximmy

[joboo]

The problem with food today is that the soil is devoid of so many of the trace elements, and food for a lot of people is weeks old, so the nutritional value has dropped off a fair amount on top of the soil issue.

I ended up ordering this to try it out.
http://www.xtend-life.com/product/Total_Balance_Mens_Premium/Ingredients.aspx

[Old Herb Lady]

BEAUTIFUL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Uhhhhhhhhhh. Oh I love u Ximmy .

It's a wonderful start !! I just taught some 80 year olds about red clovers & elderberries last month.

It's never ever too late to start. Even if somebody has absolutely no ambition to want to go foraging for them, they can still buy any herb they want
through organic suppliers who grow them & carefully harvest them .

I am so excited for you !

Everybody's yard is loaded with herbs unless their grass is dead or their yard is sprayed.

Peterson's Field Guide is good too !

[Old Herb Lady]

The problem with food today is that the soil is devoid of so many of the trace elements, and food for a lot of people is weeks old, so the nutritional value has dropped off a fair amount on top of the soil issue.

I ended up ordering this to try it out.
http://www.xtend-life.com/product/Total_Balance_Mens_Premium/Ingredients.aspx

What are you talking about ? I'm talking about if you order from an herb company that grows their herbs in nutrient rich soil then your going to get
a wholesome "supplement" without ANYTHING ADDED TO IT.


I am so sorry you wasted fitty bucks like that !!!!!! OMG.

I posted a link to show you what kind of whole food supplement is supposed to be for your DAILY MULTI that you were inquiring about in your original post.

[joboo]

What are you talking about ? I'm talking about if you order from an herb company that grows their herbs in nutrient rich soil then your going to get
a wholesome "supplement" without ANYTHING ADDED TO IT.


I am so sorry you wasted fitty bucks like that !!!!!! OMG.

I posted a link to show you what kind of whole food supplement is supposed to be for your DAILY MULTI that you were inquiring about in your original post.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment. The nutritional profile is more than what any herb can provide. It includes a bunch of herbs, and a lot more. did you look at it?

[Old Herb Lady]

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment. The nutritional profile is more than what any herb can provide. It includes a bunch of herbs, and a lot more. did you look at it?

Yes, I read it very well. It's processed, everything in it prety much gets killed during manufacturing, plus none of those herbs say organic so they were probably all grown out of the country ad all herbs are irradiated before they're allowed into the US. All the vitamins on your ingredient list come from a laboratory----MAN MADE---- Your body does not want man made chemicals . I am sorry that you don't understand what I'm explaining to you.

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION . TIS FACTS .


Plus do you sprinkle chemicals on top of your food when you go to eat ?

Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline cellulose, Dextrose, Silicon dioxide, Maltodextrin, Carboxymethyl cellulose, Starch, Mannitol, Gum arabic, Corn oil, Citric acid, Enteric coating. Colors (Titanium dioxide, Black iron oxide, Red iron oxide, Yellow iron oxide).

[chad]

i don't understand how vitamins from herbs can be 'better' than a vitamins from a pill. maybe absorbtion rates + absorbtion amounts are different because of the form that it's in, but at the end of the day, vitamin c or whatever is a group of molecules stuck together a certain way. vitamin c from something growing in your yard has the exact same molecular structure as vitamin c from a shaklee jar. it's not like it has some super, secret extra 8 molecular strand tacked on the end that make it 'better.' the stuff like cellulose filler, etc. i understand is not healthy, but vitamins are vitamins, that's irrefutable, scientific fact.

is absorbtion efficacy what you guys are really talking about?

[Old Herb Lady]

i don't understand how vitamins from herbs can be 'better' than a vitamins from a pill. maybe absorbtion rates + absorbtion amounts are different because of the form that it's in, but at the end of the day, vitamin c or whatever is a group of molecules stuck together a certain way. vitamin c from something growing in your yard has the exact same molecular structure as vitamin c from a shaklee jar. it's not like it has some super, secret extra 8 molecular strand tacked on the end that make it 'better.'

is absorbtion efficacy what you guys are really talking about?

OHHHKay , I see let me put in into guy terminology for all of the guys with " no comprende". LOL

Chad, I am talking about how vitamin c from a plant is real vitamin c & vitamin c from a bottle is NOT real. Ascorbic Acid is not real vitamin c.
I'm saying if you buy vitamin c.....it has to be from a real natural source (like rosehips, amla, many others) .
vitamins are not real unless the bottle specifically states exactly what food, plant, berry etc that they got the vitamin c from !!

This is why there is a WAR AGAINST NATURE. Nobody knows what they're putting in their mouth or where it comes from .


OK now, do you like to eat real steak or would you like to eat steaks from cloned cows ?
Do you like real breasts or a girl that stuffs her bra with socks ?
Do you want to drink a glass of water or do you want to drink the liquid stuff that comes out of your faucet ?
Do you want to eat food or food that is NOT real food, but a copycat of food , but being served to you as food. (like margarine)

Do you want to take a vitamin into your body that is not real but you think it is good & real because the label has all those good looking ingredients on the ingredient list ?

[joboo]

Yes, I read it very well. It's processed, everything in it prety much gets killed during manufacturing, plus none of those herbs say organic so they were probably all grown out of the country ad all herbs are irradiated before they're allowed into the US. All the vitamins on your ingredient list come from a laboratory----MAN MADE---- Your body does not want man made chemicals . I am sorry that you don't understand what I'm explaining to you.

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION . TIS FACTS .


Plus do you sprinkle chemicals on top of your food when you go to eat ?

Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline cellulose, Dextrose, Silicon dioxide, Maltodextrin, Carboxymethyl cellulose, Starch, Mannitol, Gum arabic, Corn oil, Citric acid, Enteric coating. Colors (Titanium dioxide, Black iron oxide, Red iron oxide, Yellow iron oxide).

Aside from everything under the sun being irradiated these days, how could they make the statment below, and still be in business if that was the case?

"You get 100% natural & pure supplements with no chemicals, additives or artificial preservatives"

[chad]

okay, now i get it. this is the synthetic vitamin versus whole food vitamin debate. i will read up on it more.

[Old Herb Lady]

Aside from everything under the sun being irradiated these days, how could they make the statment below, and still be in business if that was the case?

"You get 100% natural & pure supplements with no chemicals, additives or artificial preservatives"

Not every f&$#ING thing is irradiated these days. I'm going to bed. I can't think / focus with all the dysfunction on this board.
There are lots of ORGANIC, NATURAL, WHOLESOME HERB SUPPLEMENTS THAT ARE NOT IRRADIATED IN THIS COUNTRY !!
What do you think I have been talking about ?????

Are you old enough yet to even be on the internet alone ??

[Old Herb Lady]

okay, now i get it. this is the synthetic vitamin versus whole food vitamin debate. i will read up on it more.

If it's a true whole food. It won't be called a whole food "vitamin", Chad.

an herbal supplement is NOT a vitamin. Just FYI

[joboo]

Not every f&$#ING thing is irradiated these days. I'm going to bed. I can't think / focus with all the dysfunction on this board.
There are lots of ORGANIC, NATURAL, WHOLESOME HERB SUPPLEMENTS THAT ARE NOT IRRADIATED IN THIS COUNTRY !!
What do you think I have been talking about ?????

Are you old enough yet to even be on the internet alone ??

What I'm saying is aside from the possibility of the product be subjected to radiation (which it may be?!?), none if the items you listed are actually chemicals.

i.e.

"Your body does not want man made chemicals . I am sorry that you don't understand what I'm explaining to you.

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION . TIS FACTS .

Plus do you sprinkle chemicals on top of your food when you go to eat ?

Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline cellulose, Dextrose, Silicon dioxide, Maltodextrin, Carboxymethyl cellulose, Starch, Mannitol, Gum arabic, Corn oil, Citric acid, Enteric coating. Colors (Titanium dioxide, Black iron oxide, Red iron oxide, Yellow iron oxide)."


The above list aren't chemicals, they are all naturally occuring extracts from nature. No chemicals would also mean no pesticides, or chemical fertilizers which would imply all sources are organic.

Yes, I think I'm old enough to be on the internet. I'm just saying I disagree with your assessment which is why I asked if you read the list of ingredients properly.

[Old Herb Lady]

What I'm saying is aside from the possibility of the product be subjected to radiation (which it may be?!?), none if the items you listed are actually chemicals.

i.e.

"Your body does not want man made chemicals . I am sorry that you don't understand what I'm explaining to you.

THIS IS NOT MY OPINION . TIS FACTS .

Plus do you sprinkle chemicals on top of your food when you go to eat ?

Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline cellulose, Dextrose, Silicon dioxide, Maltodextrin, Carboxymethyl cellulose, Starch, Mannitol, Gum arabic, Corn oil, Citric acid, Enteric coating. Colors (Titanium dioxide, Black iron oxide, Red iron oxide, Yellow iron oxide)."


The above list aren't chemicals, they are all naturally occuring extracts from nature. No chemicals would also mean no pesticides, or chemical fertilizers which would imply all sources are organic.

Yes, I think I'm old enough to be on the internet. I'm just saying I disagree with your assessment which is why I asked if you read the list of ingredients properly.


EVERY VITAMIN ON YOUR MULTIPLE VITAMIN LIST ARE MANUFACTURED IN A LABORATORY. THEY DON"T COME FROM NATURE.
THEY ARE CHEMICALS. The additives are natural? fillers & binders added to your chemical vitamins to make them slip & slide through the machines easier
and since it's also made into a nasty, hard, junky tablet those added ingredients help the tablet to stick together & not fall apart during processing.

[letter_factory]

hey old herb lady, so do you agree or disagree with the latest study that says vitamins may actually kill women earlier?

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/171/18/1625

[ximmy]

joboo, I believe some of these innocent fillers are toxic to the body... after ingesting my daily intake I would often feel slightly nauseous & dizzy. I experimented with brands and fillers and the times of day I would take them, to be sure what I was feeling was directly connected to vitamin intake. My dad didn't believe me, but I felt much better after stopping completely.

At the advice of my dad, I even went a Dr. Robert Marshall practitioner to see if I had any nutritional deficiencies... none...

[joboo]

EVERY VITAMIN ON YOUR MULTIPLE VITAMIN LIST ARE MANUFACTURED IN A LABORATORY. THEY DON"T COME FROM NATURE.
THEY ARE CHEMICALS. The additives are natural? fillers & binders added to your chemical vitamins to make them slip & slide through the machines easier
and since it's also made into a nasty, hard, junky tablet those added ingredients help the tablet to stick together & not fall apart during processing.

Actually everything is derived from natural sources. The vitamins are not man made synthetic chemicals produced in a lab. This is why they state 100% derived from natural sources with no chemicals, or preservatives, and haven't been sued in to bankruptcy.

I haven;t looked them all up, but a bunch of them, and aside from the crazy sounding names so far it seems they have all been extracts from naturally occurring elements found in nature.

[PatColo]

check this interview, Gwen Olsen has interesting things to say about how big pharma "manages the threat" posed by quality vitamin producers,
Thread: Gwen Olsen | Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?55074-Gwen-Olsen-Confessions-of-an-Rx-Drug-Pusher)


if I recall correctly, that part was somewhere in the 4th or 5th youtube segment? Maybe someone else who listened could narrow it down further.

[Buddha]

Stay away from all synthetic vitamins. You won't absorb much of them unless they are organic. I personally recommend these:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU152/ItemDetail
http://images.swansonvitamins.com/en_US/images/ItemImages_SW/images_id/SWU152_id.jpg

Good luck finding something that has higher quality and is cheaper. It's only 29 cents a day if you take 3 a day as directed. Plus it has a lot of beneficial supplements on top of the vitamins/minerals.

Sorry if I push Swanson a lot, but their products really changed my life. I went from $25 a day Big-Pharma drugs + $6,000 a year in hospital visits/insurance to only $2 a day of supplements/no hospital visits/no insurance. I have not been sick once since (hopefully won't jinx it!) Total game changer, and I've never felt healthier or have any health problems. That's a 95.2% savings.

I've been taking that exact supplement for a little over a year. I can't say exactly how it has affected me as I got sick rarely before, and still get sick rarely. I have been been a heavy drinker for the last 4 years or so and have recently quit completely, and I feel great, I think that the vits combined with old fashioned milk thistle have helped alot in recovering from years of toxic inputs.

[joboo]

This is a pretty good article, particularly the underlined concept.

http://drbenkim.com/articles-vitamins.html


Here are some facts that you won’t find advertised on most of the vitamin supplements at your local vitamin store:


The majority of commercial vitamin supplements are made up of synthetic vitamins
Synthetic vitamins do not perform the same functions in your body as vitamins found naturally in whole food
Many synthetic vitamins deplete your body of other nutrients and tax your kidneys before being excreted through your urine

If you want a comprehensive understanding of what vitamins are and what they do in your body, it would be best to take a full course in biochemistry. Do you remember all of those molecular formulas and chemical reactions that you studied in your high school chemistry class? Biochemistry is really just an extension of chemistry, with an emphasis on the thousands of chemical reactions that occur in your body on a moment-to-moment basis.


Anyone who studies biochemistry learns that vitamins do not exist as single components that act on their own. Vitamins are made up of several different components – enzymes, co-enzymes, and co-factors– that must work together to produce their intended biologic effects.


Vitamins that are found naturally in whole foods come with all of their necessary components. The majority of vitamins that are sold in pharmacies, grocery stores, and vitamin shops are synthetic vitamins, which are only isolated portions of the vitamins that occur naturally in food.


A good example is vitamin C. If you take a look at a variety of vitamin C supplements, you will find that the majority of them contain only ascorbic acid or a compound called ascorbate, which is a less acidic form of acorbic acid. Ascorbic acid is NOT vitamin C. It represents the outer ring that serves as a protective shell for the entire vitamin C complex, much like an orange peel that serves as a protective shell for an orange. Real vitamin C (http://drbenkim.com/natural-vitamin-c-benefits.htm) found in whole foods like fruits and vegetables contain the following components:


Rutin
Bioflavonoids (vitamin P)
Factor K
Factor J
Factor P
Tyrosinase
Ascorbinogen
Ascorbic Acid

When you take only ascorbic acid found in your synthetic vitamin C tablet or powder, your body must gather all of the other components of the full vitamin C complex from your body’s tissues in order to make use of it. In the event that your body does not have adequate reserves of the other components, ascorbic acid itself does not provide any of the health benefits that the full vitamin C complex does. After circulating through your system, the unused ascorbic acid is eliminated through your urine.


Just like vitamin C, almost all other vitamins that we know of offer their full health benefits when they are in the presence of a number of enzymes, co-enzymes, co-factors, and even minerals. For example, Vitamin D may have as many as twelve different active components, while vitamin P has at least five different components. The mineral copper is needed for full vitamin C activity, while vitamin E works closely with the mineral selenium to provide its health promoting, anti-oxidative effect.


Clearly, it is best to get your vitamins from whole foods because whole foods provide complete vitamins rather than fractions of them. In many cases, whole foods also provide the minerals that are necessary for optimal vitamin activity. For example, sunflower seeds are an excellent whole food source of vitamin E and the mineral selenium, both of which need each other to offer their full health benefits.

How do you know if the vitamins on your kitchen counter are from whole foods or if they are synthetic?


If the list of ingredients includes an actual vitamin like Vitamin C” rather than an actual food that contains natural vitamin C like “acerola cherry powder”, you can bet that it is a synthetic vitamin.


If you choose to use nutritional supplements, it is in your best interest to use only those products that list actual foods as their ingredients rather than synthetic and isolated vitamins. While some synthetic and isolated vitamins have been shown to provide minimal health benefits, on the whole, most of them cause more harm than good and you are far better off spending your money on whole foods.


It is important to note that the principles in this article are just as relevant and applicable to minerals and mineral supplements."





I sent an email off to Xtend-life asking for clarification on the "100% no chemicals" claims with regards to some of their vitamin source selections. I wonder if they'll break into legalese double speak. Could be interesting.

[Cebu_4_2]

Now I am more confused, easy to grab a multi vitamin for sure but not what I desire.

[milehi]

It takes less than 10 minutes for me to prepare natural food, juice, drink my vitaims, and clean my juicer.

My green apples will be ready for harvest this next weekend and my mouth is already watering for apple ginger juice.

[Old Herb Lady]

I sent an email off to Xtend-life asking for clarification on the "100% no chemicals" claims with regards to some of their vitamin source selections. I wonder if they'll break into legalese double speak. Could be interesting.



I think you still don't understand what I'm trying to say. If you read the article you posted, there's good info in it !

I used to work for the big vitamin companies. They don't believe that "vitamins" in isolation are drugs, chemicals.
They will tell you they are all natural & come from natural food sources, but any time you isolate an ingredient out of its wholesome natural state,
it is not natural & wholesome anymore. Plus, the person who gets the email will be reading out of a manual or trained on what to tell you.

[Old Herb Lady]

hey old herb lady, so do you agree or disagree with the latest study that says vitamins may actually kill women earlier?

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/171/18/1625

All those new articles about vitamins causing early death in women were all a big propaganda written by Jews.

1.) If you don't believe it, then you will continue to buy "vitamin supplements for your health" and therefore when 'they" pull
the rug out from under you and turn them into prescriptions.....THEY WIN.

2.) If you do believe it, you will stay away from "vitamins" and go to the doctor for help & get a prescription.......THEY WIN.

So, yes, I believe the article, but I know what the agenda is. It's not what it appears.

Everyone thinks it was written to keep you away from vitamins.

[Shami-Amourae]

Old Herb Lady, what's your opinion of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_RFzYnXYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF0bNTepwbQ

[Old Herb Lady]

Ohhhh Shami ! He's almost there......just a little more........almost to the edge......I wanna push him over...........so close...........

a little more............if he would start talkin' 'bout all those GORGEOUS herbal tinctures & herbal teas & drop those few vitamins he's sellin'

and he'll be a true herbalist ! Sooooo close ! He knows it ! He just hasn't gone ALL THE WAY YET.

All the "vitamins" you need are in those herbs & tinctures !

Herbs are food. Let food be thy medicine !

[Old Herb Lady]

It takes less than 10 minutes for me to prepare natural food, juice, drink my vitaims, and clean my juicer.

My green apples will be ready for harvest this next weekend and my mouth is already watering for apple ginger juice.





Now you're talkin baby !!! WHOOO HOOOO !!!! A couple dashes of cayenne pepper juice and you've got one helluva 'flush" ! Naturally !!
I just got a flush thinking about it ! POWERFUL STUFF !!!!!

[steyr_m]

BEAUTIFUL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Uhhhhhhhhhh. Oh I love u Ximmy .

It's a wonderful start !! I just taught some 80 year olds about red clovers & elderberries last month.

It's never ever too late to start. Even if somebody has absolutely no ambition to want to go foraging for them, they can still buy any herb they want
through organic suppliers who grow them & carefully harvest them .

I am so excited for you !

Everybody's yard is loaded with herbs unless their grass is dead or their yard is sprayed.

Peterson's Field Guide is good too !

You know OHL, I agree with most of what you say in this post -- but I really don't have the time to forage or grow plants for me to consume for medicinal purposes. I'm in very good health and will stick to the vit pills I'm taking -- A, B complex, C, D, E, etc.

My supplier is a Canadian firm, and I hate to say it; but probably more reliable than an American one. There's less corporate influence here than in the US.

If I have a specific ailment, sure... but otherwise I'll take a pill.

[Old Herb Lady]

You don't need to forage or grow them then, POST # 5 in this thread has a link showing the proper kind of supplement that I'm talking about.

Most people don't have any time or interest, that's why I've taken my valuable precious time to teach people here what a real supplement is supposed to be and it's not a vitamin pill.

[Shami-Amourae]

Ohhhh Shami ! He's almost there......just a little more........almost to the edge......I wanna push him over...........so close...........

a little more............if he would start talkin' 'bout all those GORGEOUS herbal tinctures & herbal teas & drop those few vitamins he's sellin'

and he'll be a true herbalist ! Sooooo close ! He knows it ! He just hasn't gone ALL THE WAY YET.

All the "vitamins" you need are in those herbs & tinctures !

Herbs are food. Let food be thy medicine !

What he says is basically what I believe. I'm sure herbs are better, but they aren't as economic for someone without a garden or much money. I have a small balcony and use what little space I have to do potted herbs/chilies.

[Old Herb Lady]

??? The herbal supplement that I posted compared to what you posted are close to the same in price. VERY ECONOMICAL.
The differences are that one is natural, wholesome & organic & the other one is not.

You don't have to grow your own. That's only if you're able to/ want to.

If you look at the natural/wholesome vitamin content of every one of those herbs in the bottle I suggested, you are loaded with a powerhouse of nutrients.
That's why I responded to this thread as that bottle suggestion for a daily multi.

Also, inorganic vitamins, minerals etc do not excrete out of your body, they stay in there & form nasties all over your body.
(arthritis, gout, kidney stones, cataracts, bone spurs, etc)
When you're young, say up to around 40 to 45 then all of those years of inorganic supplement taking will start to cause you problems.
I see it all the time. Liquid Calcium is no better than a tablet calcium as you are always saying.
herbal organic calcium is what our body needs.
If it's organic (meaning in it's natural wholesome state) then your body will take all that it needs, the blood will transport it where it needs to go,
and excrete anything it doesn't need. Just like natural wholesome food. Same thing. Herbs are food.
Vitamin pills do not do that no matter what he says or no matter what you think.

I wish I could talk to you in like 10 years. You have the ability/ desire to want to help so many people, but you're not into natural healing, you're into vitamins more.

[Awoke]

Hey OHL, could you read this post (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44123-Cloudbusters-Kill-Chemtrails&p=470206&viewfull=1#post470206) and tell me your thoughts please?

[steyr_m]

You don't need to forage or grow them then, POST # 5 in this thread has a link showing the proper kind of supplement that I'm talking about.


Actually it was Post #5 that made me write in this thread. I eat raw carrots, beets, Cayenne pepper and Dandelion root; but I want to eat them when I want to. I don't want to have to eat something everyday just to get what I need to stay healthy. I get my Vit. from a reputable source and quite happy with the convenience. I want to buy them from a store, not order from the internet. I hate to say it, there could be a placebo in Dr. Christopher's pills for all I know.

[steyr_m]

Hey OHL, could you read this post (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44123-Cloudbusters-Kill-Chemtrails&p=470206&viewfull=1#post470206) and tell me your thoughts please?

You didn't ask for my opinion; but I'll through it out there. I'd say the first thing she should do is cut out all grains and sugar from her diet [your body converts bread/pasta/corn/rice to sugar].

Since I've been on the Paleo/Primal diet, my asthma has cleared up. When I read about that I found that other people who have done it have had other auto-immune diseases clear up.

[Awoke]

Hey Steyr, do you cook or boil the dandelion root, or prepare it any way?
Why eat it?

[steyr_m]

Hey Steyr, do you cook or boil the dandelion root, or prepare it any way?
Why eat it?

I dry it and make a tea from it. It's supposed to be good for the Liver.... I'll look for my instructions for you.

[steyr_m]

Hey Steyr, do you cook or boil the dandelion root, or prepare it any way?
Why eat it?

http://www.livestrong.com/article/16368-make-dandelion-root-tea/

[steyr_m]

Hey OHL, could you read this post (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44123-Cloudbusters-Kill-Chemtrails&p=470206&viewfull=1#post470206) and tell me your thoughts please?

Another comment...

Good God, and you have to deal with the Cdn health care system? I'll say a prayer for your Wife tonight. A homeopathic approach my be a better way to go.

[steyr_m]

Hey OHL, could you read this post (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?44123-Cloudbusters-Kill-Chemtrails&p=470206&viewfull=1#post470206) and tell me your thoughts please?

Take a good look at this....

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/

[gunny highway]

Stay away from all synthetic vitamins. You won't absorb much of them unless they are organic. I personally recommend these:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU152/ItemDetail
http://images.swansonvitamins.com/en_US/images/ItemImages_SW/images_id/SWU152_id.jpg

Good luck finding something that has higher quality and is cheaper. It's only 29 cents a day if you take 3 a day as directed. Plus it has a lot of beneficial supplements on top of the vitamins/minerals.

Sorry if I push Swanson a lot, but their products really changed my life. I went from $25 a day Big-Pharma drugs + $6,000 a year in hospital visits/insurance to only $2 a day of supplements/no hospital visits/no insurance. I have not been sick once since (hopefully won't jinx it!) Total game changer, and I've never felt healthier or have any health problems. That's a 95.2% savings.

thanks for the link. just ordered myself a 3 month supply.

i watched the documentary Food Matters and realized that i might just be malnourished so i started a vitamin regimen, Centrum and 3000mg of Vit C a day. Even though Centrum is not the best and a lot of its "vitamins" are not absorbed, what i am getting from it has made me feel better. can't wait till the high potency stuff gets here!

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I was reading about how the B12 they put in multivitamins, cyanocobalamin, breaks down as cyanide in your body.

[Old Herb Lady]

Actually it was Post #5 that made me write in this thread. I eat raw carrots, beets, Cayenne pepper and Dandelion root; but I want to eat them when I want to. I don't want to have to eat something everyday just to get what I need to stay healthy. I get my Vit. from a reputable source and quite happy with the convenience. I want to buy them from a store, not order from the internet. I hate to say it, there could be a placebo in Dr. Christopher's pills for all I know.

Dr Christopher's products are available at ALOT of health food stores.

Stay with your reputable source then & hope it's not a "placebo".

Your still an asshole.

Dandelion isn't "supposed" to be good for your liver. It is good for your liver.

The convenience you talk about won't always be around, good luck with that too.

This forum is a waste of my precious, valuable time. Way tooooo many sheep on here.

No wonder Magnes went off . He tries to teach and it lands on deaf ears.

[Awoke]

I could be wrong, but I think what Steyr is trying to say is that it is convenient to get the "supplements" a body needs from pills in a bottle at a store, but it is also good to know how to harvest those things naturally, but that is a lot more work and much less convenient.

Meaning he'd rather pop a couple tablets in the morning instead of forcing himself to choke back Golden Rod tea or whatever else he made at home.

I could be wrong though.

[steyr_m]

Dr Christopher's products are available at ALOT of health food stores.

Stay with your reputable source then & hope it's not a "placebo".

Your still an asshole.

Dandelion isn't "supposed" to be good for your liver. It is good for your liver.

The convenience you talk about won't always be around, good luck with that too.

This forum is a waste of my precious, valuable time. Way tooooo many sheep on here.

No wonder Magnes went off . He tries to teach and it lands on deaf ears.

Like I said, I agree with you on this one OHL.

I just don't have the time/desire to be vegan herbologist like you. Like I said, I'm in great health. I could live without vitamins, but when I take them... I'd rather go to my drug store and buy them.

Just because you do it that way, don't be insulted and call people names when other people don't.

One of the things I love about this forum is that there is a plethora of things to learn [and I've learned lots] but that doesn't mean I have to listen to, agree with, adopt, or learn everything that's in here.

[steyr_m]

I could be wrong, but I think what Steyr is trying to say is that it is convenient to get the "supplements" a body needs from pills in a bottle at a store, but it is also good to know how to harvest those things naturally, but that is a lot more work and much less convenient.

Meaning he'd rather pop a couple tablets in the morning instead of forcing himself to choke back Golden Rod tea or whatever else he made at home.

I could be wrong though.

No, that's pretty much it.

[Cebu_4_2]

Been surfing off and on for a multi organic whole food in bulk, I have many mouths to feed and the price of the little bottles wont cut it for me at this time. If I do find anything I'll post for a review from everyone.

[chad]

Dr Christopher's products are available at ALOT of health food stores.

Stay with your reputable source then & hope it's not a "placebo".

Your still an asshole.

Dandelion isn't "supposed" to be good for your liver. It is good for your liver.

The convenience you talk about won't always be around, good luck with that too.

This forum is a waste of my precious, valuable time. Way tooooo many sheep on here.

No wonder Magnes went off . He tries to teach and it lands on deaf ears.

you should probably leave then. one thing i hate is when the really, really, really smart people have to waste their time trying to help out the dumb, sheep people. why not use your time to hang out with the wicked smaaaaart such as yourself?

[lapis]

Now I am more confused, easy to grab a multi vitamin for sure but not what I desire.

I agree. I eat a low to no sugar and grain whole food diet but find that I feel better when I take supplements. Every day I take a Multi from Trader Joe's, 3 grams of vitamin C with bioflavonoids, a B-100 capsule once or twice a day and an additional 1~1.5 grams of B-5 in divided doses and 200 mg. of Bluebonnet magnesium aspartate at night. Sometimes I also take fermented cod liver oil, but not as much as I should.

But honestly the best thing I've added to my health regimen lately is smoking a few cigarettes after meals that I make myself from additive-free pipe tobacco. I wish I had discovered the medicinal uses of tobacco in my twenties. It is relaxing yet also stimulating for the mind, and it basically eliminates all my anxiety and OCD-ness.

[Old Herb Lady]

QUOTE Steyr M Like I said, I agree with you on this one OHL.

I just don't have the time/desire to be vegan herbologist like you. Like I said, I'm in great health. I could live without vitamins, but when I take them... I'd rather go to my drug store and buy them.

Just because you do it that way, don't be insulted and call people names when other people don't.

One of the things I love about this forum is that there is a plethora of things to learn [and I've learned lots] but that doesn't mean I have to listen to, agree with, adopt, or learn everything that's in here.










Where did I say in this thread to go eat your herbs ? I never said that. Me & Ximmy talke about picking herbs, but I did not tell anybody to go eat herbs. You are the one that kept saying that. All I did was talk about an herbal supplement that is healthy for your body as vitamins are not. The topic of this thread was about vitamin supplements.
I called you an asshole from our last confrontation where you told me I
was completely WRONG. Not that I had a freedom to do what I wanted with my food, but what I was doing was WRONG.
So this time you condemned the supplement that I posted .
I didn't say anything about being a vegan in this thread.
I tried to teach people and just about every single person came back with the idea that they still like their "vitamins".

That's like you telling me that I should buy some gold & silver and me coming back & saying "well, I see what your talking about, and I agree with you, but I'm going to stick with the 3 rolls of pennies that I got from the bank today and I'm sure that'll work just fine for me plus it's so convenient cuz the bank is right down the road from me".

I don't know much about gold & silver , that's why I originally came here, to learn, I still learn about gold & silver everyday.
But I don't tell you smart gold & silver people how much better my rolls of pennies are.

I am sheepish about gold & silver so I wouldn't tell the experts that their gold & silver are probably fake & my pennies are gonna work out just fine for me.

Yeah, I'm done here. People don't have to agree with me but when people INSIST that their '"vitamins"
are better or they're sticking with them cuz they're cheaper , yes, that does qualify one as a sheep.

[steyr_m]

I didn't fully understand that....

[lapis]

I think herbs are great, but I get tired of taking them and looking up which ones I need for what condition. My latest concoction, an all-organic Master Tonic is languishing in the fridge because I'm tired of how it tastes.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm with you OHL; I love herbs!

[steyr_m]

Where did I say in this thread to go eat your herbs ? I never said that. Me & Ximmy talke about picking herbs, but I did not tell anybody to go eat herbs. You are the one that kept saying that. All I did was talk about an herbal supplement that is healthy for your body as vitamins are not. The topic of this thread was about vitamin supplements.
I called you an asshole from our last confrontation where you told me I
was completely WRONG. Not that I had a freedom to do what I wanted with my food, but what I was doing was WRONG.
So this time you condemned the supplement that I posted .
I didn't say anything about being a vegan in this thread.
I tried to teach people and just about every single person came back with the idea that they still like their "vitamins".

That's like you telling me that I should buy some gold & silver and me coming back & saying "well, I see what your talking about, and I agree with you, but I'm going to stick with the 3 rolls of pennies that I got from the bank today and I'm sure that'll work just fine for me plus it's so convenient cuz the bank is right down the road from me".

I don't know much about gold & silver , that's why I originally came here, to learn, I still learn about gold & silver everyday.
But I don't tell you smart gold & silver people how much better my rolls of pennies are.

I am sheepish about gold & silver so I wouldn't tell the experts that their gold & silver are probably fake & my pennies are gonna work out just fine for me.

Yeah, I'm done here. People don't have to agree with me but when people INSIST that their '"vitamins"
are better or they're sticking with them cuz they're cheaper , yes, that does qualify one as a sheep.

I looked back at the posts.

I said I agree with you, but I don't have the time to be into it as much as you. I never said you told me to do it.

Our last confrontation? You mean when I called the vegan parents of a kid who was unhealthy, because of his diet, idiots? Remember, he was unhealthy.

I didn't condemn anything. Maybe that product cannot be bought in Canada, maybe I'll have to order it. I've never heard of it, I don't know how reliable it is.

You didn't say anything about being a vegan on this thread, but you are one.

Not everyone will agree with you, but some will. Don't take it to heart.

Go if you like; but I like your contributions; but I will not agree with everything.

[steyr_m]

I'm with you OHL; I love herbs!

I bet you do....

Can't partake in it myself yet.

[joboo]

I'm with you OHL; I love herbs!

Vitamins T, H, and C.

[steyr_m]

Vitamins T, H, and C.

That's a good one...

[Cebu_4_2]

Okay, not sure if this was answered or not so if no one shoots me down it would be cool. Dont want to start a new thread on it.

What is the consensus on these Swanson whole food vitamins?

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU152/ItemDetail

Also what is recommended for additional vitamin B complex? Been using Now B-50 for years, really helps when I feel like a heart attack especially after drinking like a Sailor:

http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsbyCategory/Category/M002959.htm?cat=Vitamins&cat2=Vitamin%20B

[Shami-Amourae]

I was reading about how the B12 they put in multivitamins, cyanocobalamin, breaks down as cyanide in your body.
There is good cyanide and bad cyanide. Organic cyanide is actually very good for you, and in my view essential to healthy lives for mammals. In nature there's a lot of Vitamin B-17 in grasses and seeds, so when you get domesticated animals and animals in zoos their chances of getting cancer are high (since they have diets lacking in Vitamin B-17), while while in nature cancer in animals is almost non-existent.

I eat apricot kernels all the time to get Vitamin B-17 (cure/prevention of cancer.) These have high levels of organic cyanide in them, to where you can literally taste the cyanide, but I never get sick, though it just tastes horrible!

G. Edward Griffin (Creature From Jekyll Island) wrote a book and made a documentary on this issue in the 70s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0PkVTYKNos

Cyanide is also part of Vitamin B-12, but again it's in an organic form, so it's safe.

Think of it this way: Sodium (Na) is highly combustible in water, and Chlorine (Cl) is a poisonous gas, but when together, they form salt, which is safe/essential to life.

[Shami-Amourae]

What is the consensus on these Swanson whole food vitamins?
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU152/ItemDetail


I suggest them since I believe they helped me. I could be wrong. I do a lot of other things like drinking a tablespoon of Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar with every meal, taking Chlorella (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWK002/ItemDetail?n=0), raw honey, probiotics, milk thistle/dandelion root (detox/liver), and cayenne. I also take a bunch of other stuff if certain problems arise, so I have a large stock of different things for different issues. I think one of the biggest things you can do is cutting out wheat completely out of the diet, and it can help anyone with their health immensely if they do this, and eliminate a LOT of weight (I still make/eat pizza, bread, noodles, soy sauce, and so forth without wheat, and it tastes just as good if not better.)

With this alternative medicine stuff there is no true "authority". You literally have to try it yourself and try to be as objective as possible. Vitamins/supplements/detox/elimination diets can take up to 4 months (usually less) before they start working, so you have to be patient. The most important part is being objective. I literally have to believe it wont work on purpose so I don't fall into the placebo effect like many people do. I've tested many vitamins/supplements on myself and some work, some don't (for me at least.) Part of this journey is figuring it out on your own.

Following a consensus isn't always a good path, since if you did, you wouldn't be following alternative medicine in the first place.

[Cebu_4_2]

Now my wife gets into the subject... not sure about this one, has a bunch of stuff, not sure from the description if it is good or all chemicals:
http://www.vitacost.com/Natures-Way-Alive-Multi-Vitamin-No-Iron-Added-180-Tablets#IngredientFacts

[Cebu_4_2]

Hers semms to have more gooder stuff except the vit D is D2 where swanson is D3

Man the farther I go the deeper it gets... sigh

[gunDriller]

i always figured the basic idea of nutrition was to build a healthy compost pile - in your stomach.

in my case that means, 8 to 12 fruits & vegetables a day, anywhere from 2 to 4 sources of protein at lunch.

+ exercise to burn it off. swimming in my case.

i take multi-vitamins too.


what i would like to learn about multi-vitamins - i alternate between taking the Cheap-o store brand, and "Simply One" for men, which has small amounts of stimulants - green tea, gingko biloba, etc.

i could swear i notice a difference between the Cheap-o vitamins and the Simply One vitamins.

in any case it's good to compare notes - because i believe you guys more than the allopathic's (conventional vaccine&drug-promoting American doctors etc.)

[PatColo]

bump! didn't see this thread at the time, and it just so happens I'm nearing the bottom of a bottle of cheap rum Kirkland (Costco) "Daily Multi" (with "Compare to Bacardi Centrum" touted on the bottle :D).

I had the impression before that in most cases, the store-brand of these supplements came from the same mftr's factory as the big-brands, and with store-brands you're just cutting out paying big-brands' image/advertising costs; so I always opted for the store/generic brands. For example, I also have a big bottle of Kirkland ibuprofen around, not Advil/etc, same reason. Not good I guess?

Also see:
Thread: Gwen Olsen | Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?55074-Gwen-Olsen-Confessions-of-an-Rx-Drug-Pusher&highlight=confessions+drug+pusher)

[PatColo]

i always figured the basic idea of nutrition was to build a healthy compost pile - in your stomach.

why is it I suspect you often hear, "OH! :o YOU STINK!" when you're around others? ???;)

[PatColo]

1 hr podcast re the harmful additives in supplement pills. I haven't listened but it's in my queue, as I really like this doc. :)

I recall hearing past supplement gurus mention that when authentic supplement (esp organic) companies get successful, they get bought by Big-Pharma, and the quality of the products drops, harmfulness rises. :(


Healing With Dr Daniels - Supplemental Additives

Featured
Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:00PM UTC

Download this episode (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/blakeradio/2013/06/18/healing-with-dr-daniels.mp3)

Dr. Jennifer Daniels’ show entitled, "Healing with Dr. Daniels" airs every Tuesday at 6:00 pm EST. The show reveals the workings behind the Modern Health System, how it creates illness and how to avoid this planned outcome. Dr. Daniels provides insights and solutions. This week's Topic: Are Supplement additives detracting from your health? People are seeking to avoid dangerous chemicals and unwittingly expose themselves to the same additives that are contained in pharmaceuticals. Dr Daniels will examine some pharmaceutical additives that have found their way into supplements, the health consequences and what you can do.


For further info visit http://vitalitycapsules.com/truth-files and www.Drjenniferdaniels.com (http://www.Drjenniferdaniels.com).

[PatColo]

another Spingola guest questioning the safety/efficacy of vitamin supplements. She's on the 2nd half of the show only, so advance to ~41:00 for beginning of her interview. 3 of the "relevant links" are Mercola articles. The last link is a YT vid which I'll post.

Spingola Speaks 2013.10.23 (http://grizzom.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/spingola-speaks-20131023.html)

http://www.spingola.com/Deanna%2005.jpg

(http://www.spingola.com/Deanna%2005.jpg)

Guest: 11-12: Colin Flaherty, author of the Amazon #1 Best Seller: White Girl Bleed A Lot (http://www.amazon.com/White-Girl-Bleed-Lot-ebook/dp/B00E8NCA7G), joins Deanna in the first hour of today’s broadcast to discuss the return of racial violence to America and why the corporate media is ignoring it.

12-1: Cheryl Battles joins Deanna in the second hour to talk about vitamins, vitamin companies, health and nutrition. (MP3 (https://copy.com/lZolAyVkmAkfFQfY))
Guest submitted links:
Is this potentially harmful substance lurking in YOUR nutritional supplements? (http://www.sarahbesthealth.com/magnesium-stearate)
? Why Taking Supplements Could be Hazardous to Your Health (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/17/Why-Taking-Supplements-Could-be-Hazardous-to-Your-Health.aspx)
Does Your Supplement Contain this Potentially Hazardous Ingredient? (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/23/whole-food-supplement-dangers.aspx)
If Your Multivitamin Contains These Ingredients – Dump them now.. (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/22/is-your-multivitamin-toxic.aspx)

News Page (http://mynewspage.wordpress.com/websites/deanna-spingola/)
Deanna's site (http://www.spingola.com/radio_schedule.html)
Official chat room (http://spingola.chatango.com/)
Spingola Speaks .Info (http://spingolaspeaks.info/)

Download (http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/7785w4y715/spingola.speaks.colin.flaherty.2013.10.23.mp3)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv391hhfSOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv391hhfSOM

[Bigjon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT3l-7BvPko


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT3l-7BvPko

America's Mineral Crisis

[PatColo]

I guess this guest is one of Rense's sponsors, so partly good info, partly infomercial for his shite! ~45 mins:

Jeff Rense Radio Show - 2014.05.22



http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/thinlogo2color.gif


Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/oxkjfgh1ut/Rense.20140522.1of3.mp3) Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/oxkjfgh1ut/Rense.20140522.1of3.mp3) Hour 1 - Dr Joel Wallach (http://char.my90forlife.com/) - SAFE Nutritional Supplements...Not All Are


from the 5/29 show, another rense sponsor (infomercial), haven't listened,

Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/94pij3dalb/Rense.20140529.2of2.mp3) Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/94pij3dalb/Rense.20140529.2of2.mp3) Hour 2 - Richard Ostrow (http://www.carnivora.com/) - Carnivora Success Stories

[Dachsie]

Here are some of the ingredients in Dr. FlimFlam Wallach's prime product - Youngevity's Tangy Tangerine.

**Plant derived Powder
Calcium Cadmium Gold Nickel Silver Thorium
Chlorine Carbon Hafnium Niobium Strontium Oxygen
Magnesium Cerium Holmium Nitrogen Tantalum Yttrium
Phoshorus Cesium Hydrogen Osmium Tellurium Bromine
Potassium Chromium Indium Palladium Terblum Germanium
Sodium Cobalt Iridium Platinum Thallium Neodymlum
Sulfer Copper Iodine Praseodymlum Thorium Silicon
Aluminum Hydroxide Iron Rhenium Thullum Zirconium
Antimony Dysprosium Lanthanum Rhodium Tin
Arsenic Erbium Lead Rubidium Titanium
Barium Europium Lithium Rothenium Tungsten
Beryllium Florine Lutetium Samarium Vanadium
Bismuth Gadolinium Manganese Scandium Ytterblum
Boron Gallium Molybdenum Selenium Zinc


It is my understanding that the way these "rare plant derived minerals" are produced goes something like this.

They find a deep old abandoned mine shaft out in the West US. They dig up a bunch of the dirt and rocks from the bottom of the mine. Then they plant some green plants of some kind in that dirt and the plants absorb all the goodies from the dirt. Then they harvest the whole plant, dry it and grind it up, and voila - "plant derived minerals."



"Razors pain you; rivers are damp;
acids stain you; and drugs cause cramps.
Guns aren't lawful; nooses give;
gas smells awful; you might as well live."

[PatColo]

^ he produces the infamous "Tangy Tangerine" kool-aid? AJ was pimping this at one point, with an ad about how you can make a million+ a year as a distributor. He didn't say "pyramid" or MLM but I got the sense that's how it was set up...

I'll say it was 3-4 years ago, Mark Dice & AJ fell out somehow, and MD posted a video blasting AJ's whoring the TT kool-aid, noting that one of those ingredients was just a fancy name for arsenic! I went to find that MD video a year or so ago, and it was disappeared.

Funny Wallach is a rense sponsor too, coz AJ & rense also fell out years ago; I don't even remember what the beef was. Strange bedfellows.

[PatColo]

30 min podcast here, I found at radio4all.net :)

Radio Curious: Supplements Exposed (http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/78230)

Summary: Radio Curious discusses nutritional supplements with Dr. Brian Clement, author of “Supplements Exposed: The Truth They Don’t Want You To Know About Vitamins, Minerals, And Their Effects On Your Health.”

Notes: Do we really benefit from dietary supplements? Are they a cure all, or do they cause more harm than good?

Our guest on this archive edition of Radio Curious is Dr. Brain R. Clement. He argues that the supplement industry is misinformed and encourages consumers to buy unnecessary supplements. Dr. Clement is the author of “Supplements Exposed: The Truth They Don’t Want You To Know About Vitamins, Minerals, And Their Effects On Your Health.” He has also written several other books exploring aspects of health, spirituality and natural healing.

Dr. Clement is the co- director of the Hippocrates Health Institute http://hippocratesinst.org/ in West Palm Beach, Florida. The goal of the Hippocrates Health Institute is to assist people in taking responsibility for their lives and to help them internalize and actualize an existence free from premature aging, disease and needless pain.

He examines the dietary supplement industry, what so called ‘natural’ supplements, from his perspective, actually contain and how they can affect our health for better and worse. Dr. Clement asks: "Do we need supplements to our diet? Does a normal balanced diet of food supply us with the nutrition we need?"

I spoke with Dr. Brian Clement by phone while he was on an excursion in Mexico on November 9, 2009 and began by asking him about the drive to promote the supplement industry.

The book Dr. Brian R. Clement recommends is “The New Gold Standard,” by Joseph Michelli.

Radio Curious is a half-hour, weekly, long-form interview program, now in it's 24th year. We interview people on a curiously wide variety of topics about life and ideas. Our website is www.radiocurious.org (http://www.radiocurious.org). If your station airs Radio Curious please let us know curious@radiocurious.org, we will add you to our list of syndicate stations. We also welcome questions, feedback and program ideas. Radio Curious 280 N. Oak St. Ukiah, Ca 95482. (707) 462-6541.

Download MP3 (http://radio4all.net/responder.php/download/78230/86426/98616/?url=http://www.radio4all.net/files/curious@radiocurious.org/1197-1-CLEMENT_BRIAN_2014_CA.mp3) (right-click, save as)

[gunDriller]

certainly worth learning about.

i don't mean just by reading.

i am surprised at how much i need Vitamin D, among others.


some vitamins have Green Tea and other stimulants.

i think sometimes we like those vitamins because of the rush they give us.


it seems like there is an overlap between anti-oxidants and stimulants.

[Shami-Amourae]

The ultimate supplement of all time:
http://www.codliveroilshop.com/oil-images/blue-ice-royal-blend.jpg

http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/ButterCodLiverBlend/index.cfm
http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Butter-Fermented-Liver-Blend/dp/B002M06SMU

I used this stuff to cure my cavities. This shit allows you to heal parts of your body you never thought you could.

[crimethink]

The ultimate supplement of all time:
http://www.codliveroilshop.com/oil-images/blue-ice-royal-blend.jpg

http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/ButterCodLiverBlend/index.cfm
http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Butter-Fermented-Liver-Blend/dp/B002M06SMU

I used this stuff to cure my cavities. This shit allows you to heal parts of your body you never thought you could.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm highly suspect of any "miracle medicine" that is patented:

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220040258828%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20040258828&RS=DN/20040258828

[Cebu_4_2]

Anything patented weather good or bad is not allowed to legally be replicated. Using this mindset we lose valuable information and help for ourselves and mankind. I never understood the do gooders patenting their free energy machines, etc, etc to oblivion. If I make a free energy deal I sure as fuck wouldn't put a patent on it, might ask a couple bucks for plans tho. Look into this US patent crap, there is a world of shit we are hidden from.

[Shami-Amourae]

Anything patented weather good or bad is not allowed to legally be replicated. Using this mindset we lose valuable information and help for ourselves and mankind. I never understood the do gooders patenting their free energy machines, etc, etc to oblivion. If I make a free energy deal I sure as fuck wouldn't put a patent on it, might ask a couple bucks for plans tho. Look into this US patent crap, there is a world of shit we are hidden from.

That's probably why there are no alternatives and the prices are so artificially high. It's the only fermented cod liver oil on the market. All other cod liver oils are cooked, which kills most of the nutrition.

[crimethink]

That's probably why there are no alternatives and the prices are so artificially high. It's the only fermented cod liver oil on the market. All other cod liver oils are cooked, which kills most of the nutrition.

The patent is for the HVBO (Butter Oil).

[PatColo]

The vitamin lie Dr. Brad McKay wants you to swallow

By Charlie Eclaire
Dr BradMckay
This is Dr Brad McKay

According to Wikipeadia, “The pot calling the kettle black” is an idiom used to claim that a person is guilty of the very thing of which they accuse another. Never has this saying been more true thanks to Dr. Brad McKays article titled “Are vitamins doing you more harm than good?”.

More: https://freedomofchoiceevent.wordpress.com/2016/05/21/the-vitamin-lie-dr-brad-mckay-wants-you-to-swallow/

[PatColo]

vlogger Jordan Sather, "Destroying the Illusion (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVTRzCXvIbdK0Y1ZxD-BlA/videos)" channel (137 K sub's), is a 27/28yo "college dropout", who touts he was red-pilled while working at a health food shop for a few years.

He up'd this 9 min vid today; that unfortunate still-frame in the thumbnail below demonstrates what a paragon of health/vitality he is, lolz ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1mLdTih8gg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1mLdTih8gg


short version = not big on pill/capsule-form supp's as they're synthetic & low "bio-availability", IE you mostly piss 'em out. Big on "green powders", & "medicinal-mushroom extracts", & supp's which "increase the electricity in his body" where he cites ORMUS (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements), & "oxygenation supp's" IE dissolved oxygen drops in his water. Unfortunately he "doesn't recommend any companies/names" in this vid. A quick AMZN search for those buzzwords yielded plenty of results though.


edit to add: saw this Jordan vid from Feb '17, around when he started his YT channel. Can see why he goes with the wispy half-beard look these days; too baby-faced without it :cool:

11 mins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5_naGkaBDg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5_naGkaBDg

[StreetsOfGold]

You won't absorb much of them unless they are organic

Correction: you will not absorb ANY of them. The body can ONLY absorb ORGANIC minerals and vitamins.
Especially INorganic minerals which get TRAPPED in the body, as in the popular "mineral waters" which are being pushed every where in every store and outlet now-a-days

[JDRock]

The BEST no ? About it is SOLGAR VM75. Ive taken them for 25 years. I wouldnt trust ANYTHING that comes in a carcinogenic plastic container! all glass here. Youll thank me later.

[Jewboo]

I suggest them since I believe they helped me. I could be wrong. I do a lot of other things like drinking a tablespoon of Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar with every meal, taking Chlorella (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWK002/ItemDetail?n=0), raw honey, probiotics, milk thistle/dandelion root (detox/liver), and cayenne. I also take a bunch of other stuff if certain problems arise, so I have a large stock of different things for different issues. I think one of the biggest things you can do is cutting out wheat completely out of the diet, and it can help anyone with their health immensely if they do this, and eliminate a LOT of weight (I still make/eat pizza, bread, noodles, soy sauce, and so forth without wheat, and it tastes just as good if not better.)

With this alternative medicine stuff there is no true "authority". You literally have to try it yourself and try to be as objective as possible. Vitamins/supplements/detox/elimination diets can take up to 4 months (usually less) before they start working, so you have to be patient. The most important part is being objective. I literally have to believe it wont work on purpose so I don't fall into the placebo effect like many people do. I've tested many vitamins/supplements on myself and some work, some don't (for me at least.) Part of this journey is figuring it out on your own.

Following a consensus isn't always a good path, since if you did, you wouldn't be following alternative medicine in the first place.

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-whole-food-multi-without-iron-90-tabs#product-details (https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-whole-food-multi-without-iron-90-tabs#product-details)

[Cebu_4_2]

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-whole-food-multi-without-iron-90-tabs#product-details (https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-whole-food-multi-without-iron-90-tabs#product-details)

What's the deal about iron?