Holy crap, I'm tripping out on Vitamin B3

[joboo]

Ok so I decided to get some Vitamin B3 as per the recommendation in the documentary "food matters" on how the founder of alcohol anonymous discovered it went a long way in curing depression.

Anyhow, long story short, I picked up a bottle of 500Mg capsules, and I take three.

First my face started getting hot, feels good. Nice warm feeling.

Ok now it's getting hotter, and hotter, like a tingly sunburn, and it starts spreading over my entire scalp, all the way down my arms, down my neck, my entire chest down to my stomach, all down my back, and all down my legs.

Bloody hell. Hotter, and hotter, and now I have a buzz, and I feel like I have a serious sunburn all over my body. Not to the point of too much distress, but very close.

The flush is starting to subside, so far lasting about 20 mins. The first 10 were intense.

I washed them down with some freshly juiced apples, carrots, kale, and red cabbage. Don't know it that amplified the situation or what...

Holy shit. Never thought I'd get such a profound reation from a B vitamin.

[palani]

You can get niacin that won't cause flushing.


When you get the niacin "flush", it's an indication that the niacin is causing small blood vessels in your body to be expanded in size. Many of your small blood vessels, called "capilaries" are so small that blood cells can only go through them in single file. Sometimes, in fact, that small capilary passageway is clogged and blood doesn't get through at all.

[Large Sarge]

Abram Hoffer was a pioneer with Niacin therapy

he has a number of article and videos on the web

here is one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH1_v0zh_gk

[Golden]

Them b's are potent. Check out and compare what's in "5 hour energy"
http://www.pain4glory.com/5-hour-energy-drink/

[keehah]

Went through the same thing last winter when I started getting serious about B vitamins and bought 500mg tablets (B3 is also called Niacin).

I have to take it when I'm doing something physical right after, otherwise the flush is too distracting (pain and itch).

If I was not expecting it, nor even wondered if it was because of a new pill I took, I would probably have thought I was dying for a minute. They should have a waring on the bottle.

We certainly know that vitamin is doing something eh?

Sadly I don't take it that often because I'm not often willing to go through the experience right then.

[joboo]

You can get niacin that won't cause flushing.

I actually started freaking out a bit, so I googled around and found out I got the quick release kind.

The heat is gone, I am literally covered in goose bumps, and shivering a bit, but I feel pretty giddy from it all.

Damn, that was an unexpected trip!

[Large Sarge]

here is an interesting test for you.

you only get the niacin flush, when you are saturated.

if your body is using it all, then you do not really flush.

so go out 1 day for lunch, eat at wendy's, or mcdonalds, or some other fast food (this is a 1 time experiment)

now if after lunch, you normally flush from 1 capsule of niacin

after eating fast food, you will need perhaps 3 to 4 capsules (or more) to get the same results (seriously)

and that is the food, it uses up your vitamin, fast food creates a vitamin deficiency.....

[Old Herb Lady]

I actually started freaking out a bit, so I googled around and found out I got the quick release kind.

The heat is gone, I am literally covered in goose bumps, and shivering a bit, but I feel pretty giddy from it all.

Damn, that was an unexpected trip!

It's called a niacin flush.
You don't need a warning on the bottle.
Learn what you're buying before you put a drug in your mouth.
Yes, it's a drug.

[Uncle Salty]

Scientology uses it for detoxifying.

[Large Sarge]

not going to get into a big debate on this topic,

but I do not consider vitamins drugs.

most (all?) of the benefits derived from vitamins are from a deficiency in the body, meaning the body naturally uses (sometimes produces in small amounts), the substance in question.

you cannot say that about drugs.

comparing "apples to oranges" IMO

the "vitamins are drugs" line of thought will get them all outlawed, or made prescription only...

[nunaem]

Try taking it with beta alanine.

[Joe King]

I actually started freaking out a bit, so I googled around and found out I got the quick release kind.

The heat is gone, I am literally covered in goose bumps, and shivering a bit, but I feel pretty giddy from it all.

Damn, that was an unexpected trip!Your symptoms were those of niacin overdose. {toxicity} If you plan on repeating your "trip", watch out for liver damage.

[joboo]

It's called a niacin flush.
You don't need a warning on the bottle.
Learn what you're buying before you put a drug in your mouth.
Yes, it's a drug.

I actually enjoyed it, made me feel pretty invigorated. I'm a bit of the weekend warrior type. I've done some pretty crazy shit back in the day, aka I have a high tolerance for pretty much anything.

[freespirit]

not going to get into a big debate on this topic,

but I do not consider vitamins drugs.

most (all?) of the benefits derived from vitamins are from a deficiency in the body, meaning the body naturally uses (sometimes produces in small amounts), the substance in question.

you cannot say that about drugs.

comparing "apples to oranges" IMO

the "vitamins are drugs" line of thought will get them all outlawed, or made prescription only...



...they are already working towards this end. a year or so ago, they were talking about re-catagorizing natural health products like vitamins, etc., to put them under the same classification as prescription drugs. they claim they are simply trying to "clean up the books", but i believe it is to allow them to charge more for over the counter stuff, as it will require a scrip from a doctor for something as innocent as a bottle of vitamin C.

[Old Herb Lady]

not going to get into a big debate on this topic,

but I do not consider vitamins drugs.

most (all?) of the benefits derived from vitamins are from a deficiency in the body, meaning the body naturally uses (sometimes produces in small amounts), the substance in question.

you cannot say that about drugs.

comparing "apples to oranges" IMO

the "vitamins are drugs" line of thought will get them all outlawed, or made prescription only...

I used to be just like you, too !! I would have defended my rights to "vitamins" with my life !!!
I was a vitamin fanatic !!! Ohhhhh that was like 20 years ago & I learned , Wow did I learn.
I don't care if they outlaw them. Everybody's freaking out like they're gonna die without their "vitamins".
Maybe people will get detoxed from all those vitamins
and finally turn to herbs for help.

[Santa]

I used to be just like you, too !! I would have defended my rights to "vitamins" with my life !!!
I was a vitamin fanatic !!! Ohhhhh that was like 20 years ago & I learned , Wow did I learn.
I don't care if they outlaw them. Everybody's freaking out like they're gonna die without their "vitamins".
Maybe people will get detoxed from all those vitamins
and finally turn to herbs for help.

Huh... pretty darn good retort.
So where do you get the equivalent B3 from, herb wise?

[Old Herb Lady]

Huh... pretty darn good retort.
So where do you get the equivalent B3 from, herb wise?

And what would one NEED that B3 for , Santawise ?
Please do tell.

[keehah]

(NaturalNews) (http://www.naturalnews.com/028473_Zetia_Vitamin_B3.html#ixzz1b5xbgDXb") The utter worthlessness of Big Pharma's cholesterol drugs was demonstrated recently by a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine which showed that niacin (a low-cost B vitamin) out-performs Merck's drug Zetia for preventing the build-up of arterial plaque, a symptom of cardiovascular disease.

As the study reveals, Zetia failed miserably. Patients taking niacin showed a "significant shrinkage" in artery wall thickness, while those on Zetia showed no such improvement. At the same time, the rate of "cardiovascular events" in the niacin group was only one-fifth that in the Zetia group, demonstrating that niacin is far more effective at preventing heart attacks and other similar events than Zetia.

But curiously, as soon as niacin started to show a real benefit over Zetia [5,800% higher price than niacin], researchers cancelled the study...

[Bigjon]

Huh... pretty darn good retort.
So where do you get the equivalent B3 from, herb wise?

you want some tobacco, chew it, smioke it or stick it up your nose.

[Santa]

And what would one NEED that B3 for , Santawise ?
Please do tell.
Lol... you don't think I'm looking to huff the B3 or something, do you? I only used B3 as the specific example since that's what the topic is about.
I know some good available sources of Vit.C, But I know nothing about B3.

[Santa]

you want some tobacco, chew it, smioke it or stick it up your nose.

Wait, what are you saying? Tobacco has B3? Huh? I don't use tobacco anymore. Can't. Those halcyon days are over. :-[

Seriously, am I missing an apparent joke or something?

[letter_factory]

I used to be just like you, too !! I would have defended my rights to "vitamins" with my life !!!
I was a vitamin fanatic !!! Ohhhhh that was like 20 years ago & I learned , Wow did I learn.
I don't care if they outlaw them. Everybody's freaking out like they're gonna die without their "vitamins".
Maybe people will get detoxed from all those vitamins
and finally turn to herbs for help.


Good luck trying to eat 10 grams of vitamin c for cancer, or megadoses of niacin, for alcohol detox. herbs are great and all, but they have their limitations. going to herbs when you need megadoses for rapid detox is like fasting to cure a shotgun wound.

[Old Herb Lady]

Good luck trying to eat 10 grams of vitamin c for cancer, or megadoses of niacin, for alcohol detox. herbs are great and all, but they have their limitations. going to herbs when you need megadoses for rapid detox is like fasting to cure a shotgun wound.

Puh-lease. If someone thinks they need a mega-dose of any vitamin then it's no wonder they drink alcohol to numb themselves from reality.
Herbs have no limitations, but your kind of thinking is very limited.

[letter_factory]

Puh-lease. If someone thinks they need a mega-dose of any vitamin then it's no wonder they drink alcohol to numb themselves from reality.
Herbs have no limitations, but your kind of thinking is very limited.


So what herb will give me 10 grams of vitamin c? Or what herb will give me 1500 milligrams of niacin cuz I was a wreckless youth and messed up my liver, but I'm saved now, hmmmm?

[PatColo]

If you ever "drink to excess", vit. B (whether complex or just niacin, not sure) will help the hangover. Alcohol somehow depletes B in the body. Potassium too, so eat a banana or two, and/or drink some OJ to wash down that B pill.

I keep a "B-complex" supply around, try to remember to take one daily, as well as a Centrum-type daily multi. My current B-complex (not faithful to any brand at this point, this one is "Nature Made Super B-Complex, with vit. C & folic acid) shows it contains:

v.C 150mg
Thiamin 100mg
Riboflavin 20mg
Niacin 25mg
v.B6 2mg
Folic Acid 400mcg
v.B12 15mcg
Biotin 30mcg
Pantothenic Acid 5.5mg

Notice the Niacin = 25mg; so when I read joboo in the OP took 3 pills with 500mg niacin each, that sounds like some kind of super-dose... OD, perhaps?

I think my next bottle will be some sort of "No-Flush" version, meaning it's time release & you won't piss most of it out coz your body doesn't need it. With this current B-complex, and I think all past bottles I've consumed, the next couple pees after the B pill are a dark yellow/orange color, which would normally suggest dehydration, but in this instance I call it "Vitamin B Pee" lol. This and past B-complex pills have always been orange in color, whatever that means. 8)

[letter_factory]

If you ever "drink to excess", vit. B (whether complex or just niacin, not sure) will help the hangover. Alcohol somehow depletes B in the body. Potassium too, so eat a banana or two, and/or drink some OJ to wash down that B pill.

I keep a "B-complex" supply around, try to remember to take one daily, as well as a Centrum-type daily multi. My current B-complex (not faithful to any brand at this point, this one is "Nature Made Super B-Complex, with vit. C & folic acid) shows it contains:

v.C 150mg
Thiamin 100mg
Riboflavin 20mg
Niacin 25mg
v.B6 2mg
Folic Acid 400mcg
v.B12 15mcg
Biotin 30mcg
Pantothenic Acid 5.5mg

Notice the Niacin = 25mg; so when I read joboo in the OP took 3 pills with 500mg niacin each, that sounds like some kind of super-dose... OD, perhaps?

I think my next bottle will be some sort of "No-Flush" version, meaning it's time release & you won't piss most of it out coz your body doesn't need it. With this current B-complex, and I think all past bottles I've consumed, the next couple pees after the B pill are a dark yellow/orange color, which would normally suggest dehydration, but in this instance I call it "Vitamin B Pee" lol. This and past B-complex pills have always been orange in color, whatever that means. 8)


just be aware that alternative practitioners are opposed to the no-flush niacin since they're extended release. depending on what kind it is, it could damage your liver if you use it for a long time.

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/vitamin-b3-000335.htm

[keehah]

Other than deficiency, I expect the flush is a significant mechanism towards most health effects.

[PatColo]

Other than deficiency, I expect the flush is a significant mechanism towards most health effects.

just to be sure, you're suggesting regular, not "no-flush"/time-release, is adequate to yield the benefits of the B supplement pill? My pee clears up to a normal, pale-yellow perhaps half a day after the B pill...

[keehah]

I mean 'flush' by the OP's description (of what I assume is capillary dialation) with sensation of heat and redness all over the skin that works its way down the body.

This thread is separate from "B supplement pill". Yes small amounts of B3 are listed as one of the 30 or so ingredients in a B supplement pill. My multivitamin pill has 35mg. The pills Joboo and I took were 500mg.

I had not bothered researching B3 deficiencies, since after the autonomation of my Doctor to start some such treatment, I knew I was going to be taking much larger amounts of B3 than I expect is needed for preventing deficiency.

[Bigjon]

Wait, what are you saying? Tobacco has B3? Huh? I don't use tobacco anymore. Can't. Those halcyon days are over. :-[

Seriously, am I missing an apparent joke or something?

B3 is nicotinic acid as in nicotine.

[keehah]

Note: A 60mg dose of Nicotine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_poisoning) can kill a non-smoker!
_______

Holy Crap! Niacin also prevents positive urine drug screens and improves orgasm.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/924.html

[Bigjon]

Wait, what are you saying? Tobacco has B3? Huh? I don't use tobacco anymore. Can't. Those halcyon days are over. :-[

Seriously, am I missing an apparent joke or something?

Niacin was first described by Hugo Weidel in 1873 in his studies of nicotine.[32] The original preparation remains useful: The oxidation of nicotine using nitric acid.[33] Niacin was extracted from livers by Conrad Elvehjem, who later identified the active ingredient, then referred to as the "pellagra-preventing factor" and the "anti-blacktongue factor."[34] When the biological significance of nicotinic acid was realized, it was thought appropriate to choose a name to dissociate it from nicotine, to avoid the perception that vitamins or niacin-rich food contains nicotine, or that cigarettes contain vitamins. The resulting name 'niacin' was derived from nicotinic acid + vitamin.

Carpenter found in 1951 that niacin in corn is biologically unavailable, and can be released only in very alkaline lime water of pH 11.[35] This process, known as nixtamalization, was discovered by the prehistoric civilizations of Mesoamerica.[36]

Niacin is referred to as vitamin B3 because it was the third of the B vitamins to be discovered. It has historically been referred to as "vitamin PP" or "vitamin P-P".

[Awoke]

You never stop learning on this forum!

[LastResort]

1500 mgs of niacin in one shot sounds kind of crazy to me. I usually take 200-400mgs per day. I've also read to stay away from the flush free niacin.

As for the flush I love it. What happens is the niacin causes the tiny blood vessels in your skin to dialate and alows more blood to flow through. I like taking it about an hour before I hit the sauna. Helps to detox more IMO. Take it on an empty stomach or with a hot meal and you will get a good flush.

[Santa]

B3 is nicotinic acid as in nicotine.

I had no idea. Thanks Bigjon.

[Awoke]

Holy crap, I'm tripping out on Vitamin B3

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/311/1/c/David_After_Dentist__Rage_by_UniqueShot.jpg

(If you don't know about this photo, Youtube "David after dentist")

[big country]

Pellagra is a disease caused by Vitamin B3 deficiency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra

So it is prudent to know where one could obtain niacin if the need arises (SHTF for example). Old Herb Lady, this is an example of what one would NEED Niacin for and the would need to know where to get it.

Also, This is interesting because most grains have B vitamins except for CORN. CORN has the vitamins but they are unavailible to humans without proper processing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization


The traditional food preparation method of corn (maize), nixtamalization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization), by native New World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World) cultivators who had domesticated corn required treatment of the grain with lime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_hydroxide), an alkali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkali). It has now been shown that the lime treatment makes niacin nutritionally available and reduces the chance of developing pellagra.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra#cite_note-3) When corn cultivation was adopted worldwide, this preparation method was not accepted because the benefit was not understood. The original cultivators, often heavily dependent on corn, did not suffer from pellagra. Pellagra became common only when corn became a staple that was eaten without the traditional treatment.

Adoption of the nixtamalization process did not accompany the grain to Europe and beyond, perhaps because the Europeans already had more efficient milling processes for hulling grain mechanically. Without alkaline processing, maize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize) is a much less beneficial foodstuff, and malnutrition struck many areas where it became a dominant food crop. In the nineteenth century, pellagra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra) epidemics were recorded in France, Italy, and Egypt, and kwashiorkor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor) hit parts of Africa where maize had become a dietary staple.

[Joe King]

So it is prudent to know where one could obtain niacin if the need arises (SHTF for example). Old Herb Lady, this is an example of what one would NEED Niacin for and the would need to know where to get it.
Apparently you could just smoke a cigerette. Or would you have to east it to get the "niacin" in it? lol

BTW, I saw a kid do that once. {eat a cig} It made him sick to his stomach.

[basplaer]

Holy Crap! Niacin also prevents positive urine drug screens and improves orgasm.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/924.html

Back in the navy I would keep a bottle of niacin around for the random urinalysis screenings. Over the years I'd been selected several times but not once did I test positive- maybe it was pure luck that my sample wasn't tested or maybe it was because I happened across the niacin "trick" in an issue of High Times 8-)~

[Old Herb Lady]

Pellagra is a disease caused by Vitamin B3 deficiency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra

So it is prudent to know where one could obtain niacin if the need arises (SHTF for example). Old Herb Lady, this is an example of what one would NEED Niacin for and the would need to know where to get it.

Also, This is interesting because most grains have B vitamins except for CORN. CORN has the vitamins but they are unavailible to humans without proper processing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization

Yes it would be very prudent to know how to get B3 into your body if in a SHTF scenario & THE ONLY FOOD LEFT TO EAT IS CORN . (which contains no B3)
You go order some B3 and have it on hand just in case we have to eat strictly corn post shtf.
I'll stick to my way.

[keehah]

I assume your way, Old Herb Lady, would be tobacco, not chemical treatment of corn?

[joboo]

B3 Niacin - It's A Rush To Flush

B3 Niacin is one of the powerful detoxifying agents known to man.

Do not panic if you turn red or your heart beats rapidly when you take pure niacin because this is a good sign that your blood is pure and toxins are being removed.

Some people take as much as 500-mg. niacin three times a day until they break through their toxins and feel a burn. The less food you have in your stomach, the quicker the niacin will get into your bloodstream to do its work. While detoxing, begin taking 50 to 100 mg. Niacin and increase by 50 to 100 mg. daily until an immediate flush occurs.

Some people get a stomachache when taking niacin on an empty tummy, so judge for yourself what works best for you. Just know it’s removing toxins from your blood. Remember this general rule of thumb: if you have more toxins than niacin, you may not feel a burn through your skin. As you increase your daily niacin intake, you are increasing the amount of B3 in relation to your toxic load. When you have more niacin than toxins present, you WILL feel the burn within ten to twenty minutes after taking it.

Niacin is not found in corn, and people on a corn-based diet are usually deficient in B3. By 1942, niacin was added to enriched flour and other commercial products. Niacin is proven to regulate blood sugar levels, is needed in the synthesis of sex hormones, and detoxifies the body of certain drugs and chemicals.

It is necessary for normal mental function, and is necessary for red blood cell formation and blood circulation. B3 lowers cholesterol and is a vasodilator. It assists in the maintenance of skin, nerve, and blood vessels. B3 is involved in the normal secretion of bile and stomach fluids and is needed for the production of hydrochloric acid, critical for proper food digestion.

Like the other B vitamins, B3 helps the body metabolize carbohydrates, fats, and protein. Individuals who are highly toxic, suffer with disease, or drink alcohol daily have an increased need for vitamin B3. Because they do not metabolize the vitamin efficiently, elderly people and individuals with hyperthyroidism also need higher doses of niacin.

Niacin is found in: • Brewer’s yeast • Broccoli • Carrots • Cheese • Dandelion greens • Dates • Eggs • Fish • Milk • Nuts • Pork • Potatoes • Tomatoes • Wheat germ

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE NIACIN FLUSH You may not be prepared for the ‘Niacin Flush.’ I know a woman who drove in a panic straight to her doctor’s office after taking her first dose of niacin fearing she was having a heart attack.

Her doctor typically did not know what a niacin flush is, and told her that she was ‘allergic’ to the niacin. Her doctor scheduled her for a lung x-ray and breathing analysis because her niacin reaction initially made her short of breath. I wish she had called me first! My client discovered that it was simply the niacin removing toxins from her lungs and blood stream, as her lung x-ray and the many expensive lab tests her doctor had her do showed her lungs were clear.

Rest assured, niacin reactions don’t cause heart attacks or breathing difficulties under normal conditions, but you must be aware that a true niacin flush is a very different experience the first time you have one. It is not uncommon for your heart to race, your skin to turn red like a sunburn, your body temperature to increase, and you may even break a sweat while you feel an adrenaline rush.

This is one reason I recommend taking niacin shortly before an exercise workout, a hot shower, sex, a sauna, or steam bath. If your pores are open and your blood is flowing in an energetic manner, the niacin will quickly remove any toxins it has picked up in the blood and easily escort them out of your body through the pores of the skin.

You may or may not react uncomfortably, but you can be assured the niacin is picking up toxins – that’s what you’re feeling. Note: Do NOT use time released or flush-free niacin. This is a less natural form of niacin and stresses the liver.

You preferably want to use pure niacin that will activate immediately so you will know the present degree of toxicity and how to adjust your dosage. If you have more toxins in your body than niacin, you will not feel a flush, but if have more niacin present in the blood opposed to toxins, you will feel a flush.

The stronger the flush, the better. At this point, begin cutting back on the milligrams of niacin.

It's a rush to flush, and remember toxins are exiting your bloodstream through your pores.

http://www.alternativecancerdiet.com/articles/2004/08/b3_niacin_its_a.html

[Uncle Salty]

And what would one NEED that B3 for , Santawise ?
Please do tell.

I agree that we are best off and healthiest when consuming whole foods for our nutritional needs. However, many people are vitamin and mineral deficient due to their food choices and supplementation, while perhaps not the best and healthiest choice long term, is better than nothing for someone deficient.

The larger issue is freedom however. Wait til they try and take your herbs from you.

[Old Herb Lady]

I agree that we are best off and healthiest when consuming whole foods for our nutritional needs. However, many people are vitamin and mineral deficient due to their food choices and supplementation, while perhaps not the best and healthiest choice long term, is better than nothing for someone deficient.

The larger issue is freedom however. Wait til they try and take your herbs from you.




I already grow & eat herbs that have been outlawed or banned. (no not marijuana)
How are they going to take my herbs from me ? Unless they nuke every piece of greenery on the earth.

If your freedom of taking your vitamins is taken away from you, then you must know where to turn ; nature.

[steel_ag]

I already grow & eat herbs that have been outlawed or banned. (no not marijuana)


What herbs have been banned?

[woodman]

What herbs have been banned?

Opium poppy for one, a very usefull and traditional herb. I guess khat and dogbane are also illegal along with coca. They will make everything illegal eventually unless we stop the 'madness'.

[Old Herb Lady]

What herbs have been banned?

One of God's greatest gifts to us, COMFREY, only able to use it externally.
Once the active ingredient was isolated from the rest of the plant and taken out of its natural wholesome state
it becomes toxic . If left in its natural state it is very healing especially for broken bones (it's called knitbone for that reason).

In 2001, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) advised manufacturers of over-the-counter dietary supplements containing three commercial species of comfrey to end distribution in the U.S. market. The FDA cited serious concerns about pyrrolizidine alkaloids as liver toxins. In 2003, the FDA ordered that comfrey products be discontinued as livestock feeds.



Another: Sassafras....Once "they" isolated the active ingredient out of it & consumed it, or did their
"research & clinical trial studies" once again toxic problems.
You can't isolate ingredients out of a plant & expect healing.....nature works as a whole.... .....isolating it turns it into a DRUG.
Commercial root beer recipes have parted ways with sassafras.
That’s because the root bark contains safrole, a volatile oil that the FDA banned as a potential carcinogen in the 1960s.


I beleve that herbs are not medicine. Herbs are FOOD. Let food be your medicine.

Food is the Foundation of Healing.

"They" want the medicine to be their way or no way because of the Billions & Billions of $ in profit & death.

[steel_ag]

i have 2 comfrey plants, an original and a hybrid. they love cool weather and water. thanks for the trivia.