Are there to many people

[zap]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44928812/ns/world_news/?GT1=43001

She's a 40-year-old mother of eight, with a ninth child due soon. The family homestead in a Burundi village is too small to provide enough food, and three of the children have quit school for lack of money to pay required fees.

"I regret to have made all those children," says Godelive Ndageramiwe. "If I were to start over, I would only make two or three."

At Ahmed Kasadha's prosperous farm in eastern Uganda, it's a different story.

"My father had 25 children — I have only 14 so far, and expect to produce more in the future," says Kasadha, who has two wives. He considers a large family a sign of success and a guarantee of support in his old age.

By the time Ndageramiwe's ninth child arrives, and any further members of the Kasadha clan, the world's population will have passed a momentous milestone. As of Oct. 31, according to the U.N. Population Fund, there will be 7 billion people sharing Earth's land and resources.

In Western Europe, Japan and Russia, it will be an ironic milestone amid worries about low birthrates and aging populations. In China and India, the two most populous nations, it's an occasion to reassess policies that have already slowed once-rapid growth.

But in Burundi, Uganda and the rest of sub-Saharan Africa, the demographic news is mostly sobering as the region staggers under the double burden of the world's highest birthrates and deepest poverty. The regional population of nearly 900 million could reach 2 billion in 40 years at current rates, accounting for about half of the projected global population growth over that span.

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"Most of that growth will be in Africa's cities, and in those cities it will almost all be in slums where living conditions are horrible," said John Bongaarts of the Population Council, a New York-based research organization.

Is catastrophe inevitable?


More at the link

[Joe King]

Could ya even imagine if everybody had 25 children? SS might actually work long-term. lol

[Gaillo]

The UN is full of shit! Too many people?

Go look at a globe. Look at the size of India. Compare that chunk of land to all the rest of the land on the globe, and see how small it is.

If you took ALL 7 BILLION people on the globe, and gave EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... man, woman, and child an equal sized piece of India, EVERY PERSON would end up with a little over 1/9 acre... larger than most housing lots these days. That means that every family of 4 would have about 1/2 Acre... big enough to farm for at least a good part of their food needs.

And that's just on a small chunk of land the size of India!

[ximmy]

The UN is full of shit! Too many people?

Go look at a globe. Look at the size of India. Compare that chunk of land to all the rest of the land on the globe, and see how small it is.

If you took ALL 7 BILLION people on the globe, and gave EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... man, woman, and child an equal sized piece of India, EVERY PERSON would end up with a little over 1/9 acre... larger than most housing lots these days. That means that every family of 4 would have about 1/2 Acre... big enough to farm for at least a good part of their food needs.

And that's just on a small chunk of land the size of India!

I want ten acres...

[sirgonzo420]

I want ten acres...

Pop dem keeeds out.

[keehah]

I want ten acres...
I want to grow bio-fuel for car and airplane travel. I need a hundred acres and another hundred acres to sell something and pay for the farming and processing inputs for 200 acres. Another hundred acres to grow and sell something to buy and maintain my car. And then 50% more acres and inputs so I can pay my taxes. Add another 10% for clear profit of 5% if I needed to borrow any money for all this farm ready land.

Oh and another 10 acres too. I need somewhere to live and grow my food, but make it 15 acres so I can rent 5 acres out to pay the taxes on the 15. And this is all decent farmland with long term cheap water supply of course.

I think a few hundred of us in an area now populated by a few hundred thousand people could live this way. Hope the fish stocks last.

[po boy]

The UN is full of shit! Too many people?

Go look at a globe. Look at the size of India. Compare that chunk of land to all the rest of the land on the globe, and see how small it is.

If you took ALL 7 BILLION people on the globe, and gave EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... man, woman, and child an equal sized piece of India, EVERY PERSON would end up with a little over 1/9 acre... larger than most housing lots these days. That means that every family of 4 would have about 1/2 Acre... big enough to farm for at least a good part of their food needs.

And that's just on a small chunk of land the size of India!

1/2 acre that seems pretty small for four people no room for grazing animals and a garden.Maybe if your real good or have great soil.

My sorry attempts at raised beds with little to no commercial ferts or pesticides has show I will need animals for ferts and that would require more than 1/2 acre.

I would guess 5 at minimum and 10 to be comfortable.

[LastResort]

The UN is full of shit! Too many people?

Go look at a globe. Look at the size of India. Compare that chunk of land to all the rest of the land on the globe, and see how small it is.

If you took ALL 7 BILLION people on the globe, and gave EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... man, woman, and child an equal sized piece of India, EVERY PERSON would end up with a little over 1/9 acre... larger than most housing lots these days. That means that every family of 4 would have about 1/2 Acre... big enough to farm for at least a good part of their food needs.

And that's just on a small chunk of land the size of India!

Thats kinda the way I look at it too. Just look inthe grocery stores. You will find quite a few products from china have infiltrated our food supply. How is it that the chinese can feed there own plus have extra to sell over here, but they are supposidly over populated. Hope that makes sense.

[woodman]

Fish populations are crashing all over the globe. Species are disapearing forever at a rate never seen before except during apocalyptic events. The Amazon forest and all other climax ecosystems around the world are being ravaged forever. Nuclear power plants around the world are spewing radioactivity into the environment (forever!)

I could go on until I puke.

No there's not too many people.

Like freedom? No freedom when there's no elbow room. Freedom is a commodity only available to a limited population of responsible people. Responsible people are not breeding much.

[Awoke]

This is not the first time I have used this quote, which compliments Gaillo's example using India:




Just to expand on my statement regarding the overpopulation lie, I have pulled up an old GIM thread that I saved when I found out the luciferians were going to shut the site down.







Oregon, a rather small state by comparison to others in the United States, has a total 95,607 square miles inside its borders. The world has approximately 4,000,000,000 (four billion) inhabitants. If the entire population moved to Oregon, all four billion, and left the remainder of the world completely devoid of human life, a family of four would have a piece of Oregon approximately 50' by 53'. The is about half the size of a typical residential lot in a subdivision.

Bear in mind, this book was published in 1985. Also, It is not realistic that people would be able to keep and raise a family on a 50' by 53' lot of land. The point he's making is that there is plenty of earth to sustain our expanding population levels.



http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?36040-Alternatives-to-Kitco-GIM2-and-theJooJooForum&p=310269&viewfull=1#post310269

The key principal is to realize that we are not saying every is limited to that small piece of land. The point is, the rest of the globe is available and empty, and full of resources.

Shills will stick on the numbers and repeat the mantra that you can't a family on a small parcel of land like that, but that is not the point. That is a short-sighted distraction.

[Santa]

The problem: Too many people.
The reaction: Oh no, we're all gonna die?
The solution: Take this vaccination.
Eugenics spelled with a capital E...

There ARE too many people... for the NWO.

[Horn]

Now that most of the planet is covered by Pizza Hut Delivery those numbers will be reduced soon.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I want ten acres...

You could ask Queen Elizabeth to spare a few acres. ::)

1339

[dys]

The illusion of scarcity. That's one that gets a lot of the smarter people. It's a more sophisticated play than most, but a play nonetheless.

dys

[Golden]

Understood key principles are the unseen hand and the all seeing eye.

[Tumbleweed]

Not all land is suitable for growing crops. When you cross the Missouri River going west that land is best suited to grazing. When the western Dakotas were opened to homesteading 160 acres was not enough land to make a living on. They starved out or went broke and moved away. The land went back to grass and was bought by ranchers to graze cattle and horses. It can take take anywhere from 20 acres to more that 600 to keep a cow alive in the western US. The further west you go after crossing the Missouri River the more land it takes.

[horseshoe3]

Question on the landowners chart. Is it showing double ownership in Australia? I was under the impression that the monarch had allodial title to all of Australia. That would mean that the other 9 "land owners" had fee simple title. Very similar to the US where the government owns it all, but you rent it and pretend to own it.

[Awoke]

Same as Canada. The queen "owns" it all, including your vehicles.

[Santa]

The illusion of scarcity. That's one that gets a lot of the smarter people. It's a more sophisticated play than most, but a play nonetheless.

dys

It's a great cover for the extreme squalor and poverty that surrounds third world cities. Too many people. The world is being depleted. We're all going to die!!!!
But what if the squalor is just the result of a Socio-Economic World system that doesn't/won't account for it's actions?

[Awoke]

But what if the squalor is just the result of a Socio-Economic World system that doesn't/won't account for it's actions?

What do you mean, "what if"?

The third world Countries are engineered to be the way they are.
All of this is planned out to the last minute detail.

[Son-of-Liberty]

There is plenty of food and resources to go around.

In the countries where people starve they starve because dictators and rebel forces can and do take what they want and destroy any wealth the people have built. It isn't because there isn't enough land.

Even over here in the first world we farm in a manner that is efficient and profitable from an economic stand point and great for big corporations and big government but it is terribly inefficient use of the land. Government regulations prevent small time farmers who produce milk, meat, eggs and vegetables from competing successfully with big agra for local markets.

[Son-of-Liberty]

You could ask Queen Elizabeth to spare a few acres. ::)

1339

# 22 Who the hell are James, Arthur and John Irving and how did they end up owning 3.6 million acres of Canada if the Queen claims to own the rest?

[Son-of-Liberty]

Looks like they are billionares in the oil, gas and forestry industry.

[StreetsOfGold]

There is plenty of food and resources to go around.
In the countries where people starve they starve because dictators and rebel forces can and do take what they want and destroy any wealth the people have built. It isn't because there isn't enough land.

absolutely true!

This is why the only solution is the RIGHTEOUS KING (of kings), the Lord Jesus Christ who wil make sure there's plenty for everyone.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Luke 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

[Twisted Titan]

We don't have a overpoulation of people

we have a overpopulation of Elite

if we can cut down on the elite population a lot of the worlds problems would be solved quickly.....hell the majority would never show up in the first place

[keehah]

If you took ALL 7 BILLION people on the globe, and gave EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... man, woman, and child an equal sized piece of India, EVERY PERSON would end up with a little over 1/9 acre... larger than most housing lots these days. That means that every family of 4 would have about 1/2 Acre... big enough to farm...

To farm for their food? That could solve the overpopulation problem right quick!
Who decides who gets the brown bits?

A slice of India:
http://www.walkthroughindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Vindhyachal-Mountain-Ranges.jpg

The morality of the two 'sides' in this thread:

One's mother is in the middle of the street being attacked, beaten and raped by a huge gang of people. A younger child in the gang bang realizes this is his mother yet fails to comprehend. How else could a child be a child without ability to deny such horror. So the child says to his older brother: "Our mom has always been, and always will be there for us; Look she only has a few cigarette burns." The older brother says he is worried, the attacks are growing exponentialy due to both exponential growth of the attackers, exponential growth of the weapons they use to attack her with, and the potential for organ failure as the attacks have been going on for so long.

The younger brother says mom will be just fine. "We have the technology to cut off her arms and legs with hardly a risk of killing her. If her organs go we can take care of that too with artifical heart and the like.

Anyway the denial is self correcting. Denying one is in heaven (life) brings hell (death). With the beasts in hell (for tens of millions of years) heaven has a chance for reincarnation or resurrection. Till the next unconscious infection of virus or bacteria or mind controled man.


Santa's reply as an example:

It's a great cover for the extreme squalor and poverty that surrounds third world cities. Too many people. The world is being depleted. We're all going to die!!!!
But what if the squalor is just the result of a Socio-Economic World system that doesn't/won't account for it's actions?
The truth becomes clear once one removes the emotive denial and answers the question:

It's a great cover for the extreme squalor and poverty that surrounds third world cities. Too many people. The world is being depleted.
But what if the squalor is just the result of a Socio-Economic World system that doesn't/won't account for it's Ponzi-schemes.
The planet is not expanding fast enough for exponential attacking growth. Those currently in power require[d] it to continue such power.

[Dogman]

The op brings up a very good question!

And there is only one or so ways to look at this when it comes to is there enough food, etc.

How many people can exist on this planet and not go hungry? You can look at a map and say , "why there is a huge bunch of land to grow crops on" no problem. But there are problems.

Look at the total arable land that exists that has reliable water supply's and the total available land for crops becomes tiny compared to over all arable land area available.

Also you have to grow more than that is needed to make up for bad weather , critters that beat you to the food.

The total population needs to be less that the total producing ability of the arable land available. So a disaster in one area can be made up by other areas.

IMHO I do think we are at or very close to the limit in population that the world can safely carry and feed.

But overall I think there are too many dam people on this planet.

Just saying.

[Ash_Williams]

Thats kinda the way I look at it too. Just look inthe grocery stores. You will find quite a few products from china have infiltrated our food supply. How is it that the chinese can feed there own plus have extra to sell over here, but they are supposidly over populated. Hope that makes sense.

They can do this because they ship the food over here. What they eat isn't necessarily food. The average chinese person can't buy a hamburger or chicken wings. They can have some recycled pulp product flavoured like beef and stuck on a bun, or rat legs.

Personally I think there are too many people. I think the solution is to stop paying people to breed, and to stop encouraging growth through immigration. If they want to turn their own country into a smelly clusterfuck, they can go right ahead, we don't need that here.

[Neuro]

I think there are to many sheeple. Earth could easily and comfortably sustain 100 Billion independent intelligent people...

[dys]

Have you ever noticed that the bad guys' solution to the fake scarcity problem never involves rationing and belt tightening for the true resource hogs (ie- military, government, big corporations)? It's always the proles that need to cut back. That right there should tell you everything you need to know concerning the trumped up scarcity scare.

dys

[steyr_m]

I'll call the World over populated when I see golf courses converted to farm land, or urban pastures are used for grazing of livestock [like large tracts of land next to airports or highways], or people growing gardens in every square foot of their land that is now a lawn, etc. Until then, I say no.... It's just a stupid ploy for us [now] gullible white people to not have kids anymore.

The populations of the 3rd world were artificially boosted by grain donations, and UN paid for medical care. Just in time to replace us who don't have replacement birthrates. You wonder why we have such massive 3rd world immigration?

[po boy]

A few thought on this subject that come to mind are that were destroying the farmland with modern ag practices and GMO is trying to mask this issue.The projected cancer rate by 2020 is 1in1 today it is 1in5 this is showing something is up with our diets. Modern farming take lots of fuel which is only going to become more expensive as the dollar takes a dive and we all should be able to agree on that. So even if immigrants come and breed like rats they will still require massive resources to sustain them as the structure in place requires just in time delivery to the stores. We have been treating the earth like a cheap whore and should not expect the same results of the past in the future.

Make no mistake your own food production is going to be a massive priority for your health at the very least and quite possibly a necessity long term and the more land the better.

[Twisted Titan]

Have you ever noticed that the bad guys' solution to the fake scarcity problem never involves rationing and belt tightening for the true resource hogs (ie- military, government, big corporations)? It's always the proles that need to cut back. That right there should tell you everything you need to know concerning the trumped up scarcity scare.

dys




ding! ding! ding! we have a winner


it was just released that the Fed cut checks for 16 TRILLION DOLLARS A to any bank that asked( or didn't)


they effectively gave away the money that would solve our debt with china over 7 times!


proof postive the elite population must be culled if we have any hope of surving as a race

[dys]

A few thought on this subject that come to mind are that were destroying the farmland with modern ag practices and GMO is trying to mask this issue.The projected cancer rate by 2020 is 1in1 today it is 1in5 this is showing something is up with our diets. Modern farming take lots of fuel which is only going to become more expensive as the dollar takes a dive and we all should be able to agree on that. So even if immigrants come and breed like rats they will still require massive resources to sustain them as the structure in place requires just in time delivery to the stores. We have been treating the earth like a cheap whore and should not expect the same results of the past in the future.

Make no mistake your own food production is going to be a massive priority for your health at the very least and quite possibly a necessity long term and the more land the better.

Just as I suspected from you.

dys

[po boy]

Just as I suspected from you.

dys

What are you refuting or what is suspect?

[dys]

What are you refuting or what is suspect?

I suspected that you would argue that scarcity is real, and you did.

dys

[Neuro]

I suspected that you would argue that scarcity is real, and you did.

dys
I think he argued more along the lines of self susteinance is a good thing...

[mamboni]

The UN is full of shit! Too many people?

Go look at a globe. Look at the size of India. Compare that chunk of land to all the rest of the land on the globe, and see how small it is.

If you took ALL 7 BILLION people on the globe, and gave EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... man, woman, and child an equal sized piece of India, EVERY PERSON would end up with a little over 1/9 acre... larger than most housing lots these days. That means that every family of 4 would have about 1/2 Acre... big enough to farm for at least a good part of their food needs.

And that's just on a small chunk of land the size of India!

Point taken, but your analysis is too simplistic and misleading. First, most of the land in India is not arable. Second, not all arable land is well irrigated and water is not uniformly distributed. Third, under optimal conditions one needs 2 acres of arable land and adequate water to feed a family of four. And that assumes that the weather and the critters cooperate and don't destroy the crops.

Presently, we are able to feed the planet's population. But, there are two major problems:
1. Cheap oil allows us to get maximum yield per acre. As oil prices rise over the coming decades, it will become increasingly difficult to produce food cheap enough to feed third world populations.
2. Arable land is largely utilized already. While the amount could be increased linearly, the population is skyrocketing exponentially and will definitely exceed the carryng capacity of the planet. We are already seeing the early symptoms of this in rising food prices over and above monetary inflation. My guess is we can tolerate one more population doubling to about 15 billion people and no more. Then how do you stop growth at 15 billion? And even if you could, imagine the demographic problems caused by zero population growth - imagine the whole world like Japan today. Can you say Soylent Green?;D

[dys]

I think he argued more along the lines of self susteinance is a good thing...

It doesn't sound that way to me...see below quote from poboy. BTW 'sustainability' is an agenda 21 buzzword. Sustainability is scarcity's ugly step sister. (I know you didn't mention the word, but that is what his post reminded me of)


So even if immigrants come and breed like rats they will still require massive resources to sustain them as the structure in place requires just in time delivery to the stores. We have been treating the earth like a cheap whore and should not expect the same results of the past in the future.

dys

[po boy]

I suspected that you would argue that scarcity is real, and you did.

dys

Well you don't read very well then do you. Try again, while your at it look and see how the oceans supply of seafood is growing or is it shrinking massively? How much of the food in the store is GMO you like and trust it right and how much is grown here and how much is from other countries and do you think there will be a whole lot of imports when the frn collapses?


I unlike you maybe looking a little further down the road, maybe you need glasses.

[ximmy]

Well you don't read very well then do you. Try again, while your at it look and see how the oceans supply of seafood is growing or is it shrinking massively? How much of the food in the store is GMO you like and trust it right and how much is grown here and how much is from other countries and do you think there will be a whole lot of imports when the frn collapses?
I unlike you maybe looking a little further down the road, maybe you need glasses.

Fish, and plankton. And sea greens and protein from the sea. It's all here, ready. Fresh as harvest day. Fish and sea greens, plankton and protein from the sea. And then it stopped coming. And they came instead. So I store them here. I'm ready. And you're ready. It's my job. To freeze you.

[Horn]

You could ask Queen Elizabeth to spare a few acres. ::)

1339

Got link, Is that a Monarch-Wiki?

[Ash_Williams]

I think there are to many sheeple. Earth could easily and comfortably sustain 100 Billion independent intelligent people...

Definitions of comfort may vary.

Either way, it's not so much the earth sustaining more people that bothers me, it's me sustaining more people.
Those 8 or however many kids the African chick had aren't going to be making the world a better place. If anything, we'll just get taxed some more to pay for their aids drugs.

Most of the west would settle at around current population if left the hell alone. Stop paying people to breed and stop letting them in the country. The third world can continue to breed themselves through cycles of growth and mass starvation for all I care.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Well you don't read very well then do you. Try again, while your at it look and see how the oceans supply of seafood is growing or is it shrinking massively? How much of the food in the store is GMO you like and trust it right and how much is grown here and how much is from other countries and do you think there will be a whole lot of imports when the frn collapses?


I unlike you maybe looking a little further down the road, maybe you need glasses.

I do agree that we all need to start producing at least some of our own food and should have some sort of emergency supply. Not because there isn't enough land to feed us but because most of the food available in stores now is poison. At some point the elite may try and cut off food supplies in order to scare the population into doing what they want.

So we have sort of come to the same conclusions just that I don't see real scarcity of food being a problem. I'm telling ya if the government would butt out of all the food and commerce regulations they use to give big corporations an edge over small producers you would see a surge in quality locally grown food appear in the market. Imagine if local farmers could sell their products at roadsides, and farmers markets without the business licenses, food inspections, certifications and all the other red tape?

Just look at the pastured raw milk model. It is less energy intensive, builds the soil instead of depleting it, is long term sustainable, and produces far healthier food, but is completely illegal here in Canada. Farmers can make a good living managing a small herd well and selling direct to consumer. The same model will not work if they have to get certified as organic and sell to a large dairy because then they only get fraction of the money for their product and the model is not economical.

If their was financial incentive for farmers to get creative in ways to increase productivity you would see a large increase in food production.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

It is a fact that if the entire world was willing to live in a super-city with the population density of Los Angeles, the entire super-city would fit inside of Alaska. The world's population would fit in Alaska.

That being said, I am sick of living in an area where the surrounding land cannot support the population. It is a bad practice.

[Dogman]

It is a fact that if the entire world was willing to live in a super-city with the population density of Los Angeles, the entire super-city would fit inside of Alaska. The world's population would fit in Alaska. Heard it said that the worlds population could fit in L.A county Calif.

[ximmy]

It is a fact that if the entire world was willing to live in a super-city with the population density of Los Angeles, the entire super-city would fit inside of Alaska. The world's population would fit in Alaska.

That being said, I am sick of living in an area where the surrounding land cannot support the population. It is a bad practice.


Heard it said that the worlds population could fit in L.A county Calif.

that's a soylent green world...
http://www.amazingdata.com/Image/amazing_fun_ecology_2000787580408426773_rs_2009072 321461510690.jpg

[Eyebone]

You guys are talking like all people are the same.

Some can take a barren land and grow food, others will starve in a garden: and no amount of hand wringing, education, "aid",
or prayer will change that.

Africa under the blacks will starve, run by Whites it would flourish.

[dys]

You guys are talking like all people are the same.

Some can take a barren land and grow food, others will starve in a garden: and no amount of hand wringing, education, "aid",
or prayer will change that.

Africa under the blacks will starve, run by Whites it would flourish.

I know this is an old thread but I feel the need to reiterate the important point that individual people do NOT take up the majority of the resources in this world. Militaries and corporations do by a an order of magnitude. This is the reason that the peak oil crowd loses the argument.

dys