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Awoke
18th October 2011, 02:02 PM
Nice article from Ballistics101.com



The Gun is Civilization
http://www.ballistics101.com/images/1911colt.jpgHuman beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

– Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

mrnhtbr2232
18th October 2011, 02:12 PM
You can be forced into a gunfight too - therefore the argument that if you're armed people can only persuade you is not quite true, especially with SWAT teams. In that case, philosophy takes a back seat to pure viscous aggression and the self-determination to meet it head-on and prevail. In other words, having a gun may provide a level of comfort against civilians, but not against the police. Food for thought.

iOWNme
18th October 2011, 02:43 PM
An armed society is a polite society.

I carry my firearm everywhere. It is amazing how took back people are when they see you with a weapon. They look around for some type of authority figure that they think will keep them safe. It is actually quite sad just how domesticated we have become.

DMac
18th October 2011, 03:01 PM
An armed society is a polite society.

I carry my firearm everywhere. It is amazing how took back people are when they see you with a weapon. They look around for some type of authority figure that they think will keep them safe. It is actually quite sad just how domesticated we have become.


I love seeing folks carrying in public. I always shoot them a smile and a nod.

I did this while in NYC over the summer. Turns out the guy was a detective in plain clothes. He told me it made his day that someone recognized he had a firearm and was not uncomfortable about seeing it. I told him an armed society is a polite society and that it is a shame I can't show him one of mine. He agreed, shook my hand and wished me a good day with a thumbs up as he walked away.

Awoke
19th October 2011, 06:14 AM
It's amazing to me how many people are anti-gun, even in the States. It just goes to show how well their programming and campaigning is working I suppose.

Nice story, Dmac.

mrnhtbr2232
19th October 2011, 07:43 AM
It's amazing to me how many people are anti-gun, even in the States. It just goes to show how well their programming and campaigning is working I suppose.

Nice story, Dmac.

There are more than an estimated 200 million firearms in private hands in the United States - I think that offers contrast to the concept most people are afraid of them. It is the sniveling fearful anti-gun sycophants that make noise, but at the end of the day I'll bet more than half of them have guns of their own but won't admit it. Honestly anyone that is anti-gun is anti-freedom - that's how I see it from an American gun owner point of view.

Awoke
19th October 2011, 07:48 AM
Absolutely, Mrnhtbr.

Twisted Titan
19th October 2011, 09:41 AM
When the hammer falls and 911 is a constant busy signal.

Those same sheep will be breaking down your door because they know your gun will protect them.

SLV^GLD
19th October 2011, 10:42 AM
When the hammer falls and 911 is a constant busy signal.

Those same sheep will be breaking down your door because they know your gun will protect them.

Err, ahh, did you read that over before you posted it? You come breaking down my door and my gun will most certainly not be protecting you, lol.

Awoke
19th October 2011, 07:02 PM
Err, ahh, did you read that over before you posted it? You come breaking down my door and my gun will most certainly not be protecting you, lol.

I figured he was referring to friends and family that will not heed warnings and will not prep. My parents say that shit all the time: Well if it ever gets that bad, we will count on you to protect/provide for us."