Autoimmune Diseases

[Old Herb Lady]

I have gotten several PM's over time with members here asking me about autoimmune "diseases".

These strange symptoms that do not go away. They ease up with herbs and/or meds but are not going away
and staying away. They continue to wreak havoc & mess with your life.

I could have very easily sent back links and told you where to look & do your own research, however, I am going to go out on a limb today on a public forum to tell you what is going on.

If you do not have anything decent to say, please refrain from condemning what I say .
I am here to help YOU.
I am not here to get a Thank You. I am a very very easy going , happy, joyful person with an extreme zest for life and this forum has been an eye-opening experience of the joy-suckers & Debbie Downers that cause alot of their own suffering & unhappiness.

When you are sick & go to the doctor with symptoms of allergies, asthma, severe food intolerances, they will tell you what you just told them but they will revert it back to you in physician language. (i.e. "Some foods are making me sick, doc, what's wrong with me ?" "You have allergies, here's a prescription". )
You just paid them big bucks & got nowhere. They have not a clue what is wrong with you, then later more serious complications arise and they will put a name to a symptom. That name, for example, autoimmune disease, means to them "we don't know what the hell is wrong with you, but we will match another drug to treat the new symptoms". Now the trouble is going to get worse.

What do you do, you ask. Where did it start ? Something happened. Wheather it was a food that made you sick to start, maybe it was a nasty environmental toxin that started your immune response, maybe it was a med from something totally unrelated like a reaction to an antibiotic that had to be taken prior for something else.

Alot of your body's immune system is in the bowel. There is a beautiful thing called a mucoid layer in your bowel that protects the toxins from leaching out into your bloodstream & making you sick. Once that layer becomes compromised & porous due to meds, environmental toxins, food toxins, water toxins, etc, etc., your body tries to protect itself & the immune system is trying to tell you something is wrong when you get the allergy, asthma,headaches, dizziness & autoimmune symptoms. The medical community does not recognize LEAKY GUT SYNDROME as the cause of your problems. It is not recognized, so therefore, how can you ever get help or relief ? Herbs like oil of oregano or garlic or echinacea and or antihistamines will help you to get relief from the symptoms of the TOXICITY, but not heal the underlying problem of the leaking/porous mucoid layer that is spilling the toxins out into your body when you eat.

(i hope your still with me here) There are dietary changes that you already have tried, There are other foods out there that can heal up that lining in the bowel. One is slippery elm bark which is one of my absolute favorite herbs in the world. Cannot live without it. You can take it in powder form mixed with water or you can just swallow the herb capsules. It will start to heal your digestive tract from your esophagus down to your rectum .
It has a very very soothing, healing quality that is unsurpassed for healing the digestive tract.
Another one is called marshmallow root & it is also very soothing for the bowel. Another very important aspect to remember is that antibiotics wipe out all the bacteria in the gut. Good & Bad. We have to restore all the good that has been killed off & restore it with acidophilus. The only I use is a brand called P B 8.
Also taking a plant based digestive enzyme with every meal to help the food digest properly.

There are more like aloe vera gel or juice & peppermint tea, but the above foods should help you on your path.

I almost forgot to mention that Candida is a horrible overgrowth of yeast in the body that sometimes accompanies Leaky Gut Syndrome. You can take care of that with the help of the garlic, Oil of oregano etc.

Also drink chamomile tea to calm your nerves from all the stress you've endured with these health issues.

I know there is more that I'm missing, but this is just the main ideas that I wanted to throw up in the air to you.
And you can catch it if you want to.

Go mend your bowel & make it happy again !
Happy Healing !


Disclaimer* I am not a medical doctor. I am not acting as one. The above statements & herbs have not been evaluated by the FDA. I have no intention to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. You assume responsbility for everything you put into your mouth. Please do your own due diligence & be well.

Love, Old Herb Lady

[zap]

Good Morning OHL, thanks, I have had a headache, face-ache for 3 days along with water in my ears, sinuses and the sudafed isn't working I took 6 yesterday to no avail, Mine problem is pressure and my nose won't drain, the only problem is I can't find any herbs in the town closest to me 30 miles away , no I have to go drive for 70 to get any herbs unless I order online.

[Shami-Amourae]

Good Moring OHL, thanks, I have had a headache, face-ache for 3 days along with water in my ears, sinuses and the sudafed isn't working I took 6 yesterday to no avail, Mine problem is pressure and my nose won't drain, the only problem is I can't find any herbs in the town closest to me 30 miles away , no I have to go drive for 70 to get any herbs unless I order online.

When I get sinuses I use a teaspoon of raw honey and oil of oregano, it seems to always clear it up. I've never had sinus issues lasting longer than 30 minutes following this method since.

[Large Sarge]

glutamine helps leaky gut

and if you do the homework, leaky gut causes the bodies glutathione levels to drop.

so after you get your glutamine levels up, and eliminate "leaky gut", the next step is to get your glutathione levels up

[zap]

I think that is why I love the rain, the change takes my headache away, maybe its the moisture in the air, somebody told me to use a netty pot and saline I did that last year and ended up with a ear infection , I think it pushed all the crap into my ears.

Well I just popped 4 more sudafed along with the honey, what do you do with the oil of oregano? hope my face/head doesn't hurt as bad today,

[Shami-Amourae]

@Old Herb Lady: I agree with what you said and think the connection to the digestive system is connected to the auto-immune troubles. Most of my auto-immune troubles went away when I dealt directly with my digestive system. Almost my entire family is plagued with severe auto-immune troubles and have severe acid reflux. I was the first and only to get this completely under control and I was able to get off all medication. I haven't been able to convince my family of it though, I'm probably bad at convincing people of anything.

I did a lot of research into this issue and I firmly believe that one of the main causes of digestive issues, and well auto-immune issues since those two are tied together is wheat. Yes wheat. I believe that gluten is very difficult for our digestive system to digest so it just sits and rots it out and screws up everything. After not eating wheat for 4 months (and drinking Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar with meals) most of my health problems went away. I lost a lot of weight, had more energy, and overall felt better. I believe that wheat harms everyone who eats it in varying degrees depending on how efficient their digestive system is, but overall it's like eating glue and expecting things not to slow down and cause problems. In other words its harmful to everyone. I believe there are other foods that do this, mainly starchy foods in general, but wheat is probably one of the worst.

What do you think? These are my own conclusions.

[letter_factory]

I had pretty bad eczema for over a decade, really red, gaping itchy.... doctors always told me it was permanent, here's some steroid ointment, pay the bill. Finally, I got wise and learned it was food related, mostly wheat. Since I have drastically reduced my wheat intake, it's virtually gone.

Dr Max gerson got migraines and realized it was food related. Raw fruits and vegetables, no meat, got rid of his migraines, and now his daughter is president of the gerson clinics all aroud the world. I think she said she used to get migraines also as a young girl and then she went on the gerson diet, and that's all she does. Perfect health at 81, still giving 6 hr lectures, etc.

"Let your food be your medicine, and your medicine be your food."

[Shami-Amourae]

Well I just popped 4 more sudafed along with the honey, what do you do with the oil of oregano? hope my face/head doesn't hurt as bad today,

I take it in capsule form. I used to do a lot of sudafed years ago before I found out all this natural/alternative stuff. The trick is to get this alternative medicine dialed in correctly and it acts as preventive. In other words you're so healthy you just don't get sick anymore. Anyone can do this I believe.

I was raised the first 4 years of my life in a hospital since I was so deathly allergic to everything and had so many auto-immune issues. Throughout my childhood and teenage years I'd get a set of 4-5 shots every 2 days, it was pure Hell.

One day I just got totally sick of it and decided to try to figure this stuff out on my own. I figured out what worked for me over time and now don't any real issues, (besides occasional minor hand eczema which I still can't figure out for some reason.) So the first step is to not take this Big Pharma crap and figure out what works for you. I was so sick when I took this step I had nothing left to lose I felt since I really felt like I was going to die.

[Ares]

These strange symptoms that do not go away.

My autoimmune symptoms went away after chelation therapy. I started experiencing autoimmune symptoms after I had taken the Anthrax Vaccine while in the military. Granted it wasn't immediate but with time the symptoms did go away, and I no longer experience them.

[Shami-Amourae]

My autoimmune symptoms went away after chelation therapy. I started experiencing autoimmune symptoms after I had taken the Anthrax Vaccine while in the military. Granted it wasn't immediate but with time they symptoms did go away, and I no longer experience them.

What form of chelation did you do? Cilantro? EDTA?

[steyr_m]

realized it was food related.


Dump all grains from your diet. Your body isn't made to consume them. For millions of years, people were eating vegetables, meat, berries, fruits, nuts. 10k years ago people started eating grains and it started wrecking havoc since.

Check this out [I don't know how to embed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFZoqmKf5M&feature=fvst

[Joe King]

peppermint teaWhat do think of spearmint tea? Is it the same?



I think that is why I love the rain, the change takes my headache away, maybe its the moisture in the air, somebody told me to use a netty pot and saline I did that last year and ended up with a ear infection , I think it pushed all the crap into my ears.

Excuse me, but I was wondering what kind of water the Queen might have used in her netty pot? Did you use actual saline solution? I've heard distilled water is good.
...but I tried those things and didn't like it. It didn't give me any infections, but it didn't help, either.

[beefsteak]

.....and now don't any real issues, (besides occasional minor hand eczema which I still can't figure out for some reason.)

Shami,
just a suggestion...I used to be troubled with FREQUENT minor hand eczema as well...darn those little pustules itch like crazy, and if you scratch'em they break open, weep then crust over with solid residue, and that makes me itch even worse. Been bothered with it for years...maybe 15-17years.

I self-diagnosed a nickel allergy about 2 years back. Figured it was due to the crappy pocket change we get by making retail purchases in this nation.
Got the idea from hearing that our daughter had to have non-stainless-steel earring posts for her pierce earrring collection.

So, I had my dear wife exclusively hand wash my pants pockets before washing just a load of my slacks, and sure enough, it helped. Since then, when there is change coming back from a purchase, she just sticks out her hand to receive it, I make some dumb joke to the cashier, and we go on about our day. Has made a tremendous difference in my hand eczema. Haven't had a flare-up in over 15 months!

I used to love fiddling with the change in my pocket when I was bored or standing around trying to keep from looking bored. Wife called it "clinking"...as in, "you're clinking again..." LOL

Funny thing is, I've always hated nickels for some reason I've never figured out. Ever since I can remember, if I ever had a nickel handed to me, even as a kid, I'd give it to a sibling, or grand/great grand kids now. May have been a mental connection to my nickel coinage aversion and my eczema and I just wasn't paying attention all these years.

No guarantees, but hope this helps.


beefsteak

[Shami-Amourae]

I had pretty bad eczema for over a decade, really red, gaping itchy

I think I will never get rid of eczema completely as long as I continue my current diet. I mean I don't go all out an become a grass-eating vegan. I eat a lot of meat, bacon, and other shit I shouldn't consume. I guess I like to look at it as balancing my health to food pleasure. Diet is definitely one of the underlining issues. I like to break it down into 3 major areas personally:


Deficiency
Toxicity
Degeneration (Each generation passes on sicker and sicker offspring since they ignore the above two)

[Shami-Amourae]

nickel allergy

It's from when I cook. I cook a lot. I cook everything from scratch.

[7th trump]

I read a week ago or so that a russian doctor had her son immunized and shortly thereafter he came down with an attention disorder.
What she found out was the innoculation caused the philia (am I right OHL) in the intestine to basically be destroyed which caused a chemical imbalance causing the behavior problem.
What this doctor did was have her son eat fermented foods, over a period of time, to help rebuild the "philia", that the meds destroyed, in the walls of the intestine. The son since has returned to being a healthy young boy without any attention disorder.
So I think Old Herb Lady is onto something about the intestine being important to your health.

[Awoke]

Thank you OHL.
My wife's autoimmune problems are starting to cause her severe depression, and I don't know what to do.

I will show her this and hopefully we can allieviate some of her issues.

[LastResort]

Stealth chronic infections, metal toxicity, food allergies, leaky gut syndrome, emf pollution, etc. Its all a big merry go round when it comes to autoimmune diseases. Where it started and where it will end is difficult to say for sure. Healing the gut is probably a good place to start.


Awoke try finding a good naturopath for your wife. They can guide you along alot better than trying this that and experimenting on your own.

[zap]

What do think of spearmint tea? Is it the same?




Excuse me, but I was wondering what kind of water the Queen might have used in her netty pot? Did you use actual saline solution? I've heard distilled water is good.
but I tried those things and didn't like it. It didn't give me any infections, but it didn't help, either.



I used the actual saline that came with it then used distilled water also, niether helped. I never had any allergies until I got into my 30's, For maybe the last 2 years I didn't eat any wheat, I still had the sinus headaches. My diet consisted of
low sugar fruits/ grapefruit, strawberries,cantalope, greens, lean meat mostly chicken/turkey, eggs. No cheese or grains,potatoes or rice, nothing white. no bread at all, I just started eating wheat bread again.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Thank you OHL.
My wife's autoimmune problems are starting to cause her severe depression, and I don't know what to do.

I will show her this and hopefully we can allieviate some of her issues.

Hey Awoke. Check out the Paleo Solution (book) by Robb Wolf. Many people have had good success controlling or eliminating their auto-immune issues with his program. He also has a podcast on itunes where he does Q&A's.

http://robbwolf.com/

[Ares]

What form of chelation did you do? Cilantro? EDTA?

DMSA with Alpha Lipoic Acid.

Also had to supplement heavily with Vitamin C and E.

[Large Sarge]

glutathione acts as a chelator/detox agent.

milk thistle increases liver function, and helps detox by increasing glutathione levels in the liver (by upto 30%)

[Joe King]

I used the actual saline that came with it then used distilled water also, niether helped.I was just curious. I'd read of people using tap water in them and having issues.
...and a netty pot didn't help me either, but a lot of people swear by 'em. It seemed to me that it actually made me feel worse. I was more stopped up than ever after using it. Perhaps I actually got water down into my sinuses as opposed to it just draining through to the back, as it's supposed to do.




I never had any allergies until I got into my 30's, For maybe the last 2 years I didn't eat any wheat, I still had the sinus headaches. My diet consisted of
low sugar fruits/ grapefruit, strawberries,cantalope, greens, lean meat mostly chicken/turkey, eggs. No cheese or grains,potatoes or rice, nothing white. no bread at all, I just started eating wheat bread again.I never used to have any allergies either, but about 10 years ago I started becoming sensitive to something in the air that blows in with the change of seasons. It's nothing severe, just noticable.

[basplaer]

Thank you OHL for throwing your ideas out into the ether!

I have to throw my hat into the no-grains zone as well. I started developing osteoarthritis in my right foot in my mid 30's and sorta resigned myself to the thought that this was due to living on a warship for a number of years, trodding around with steel-toe boondockers that never quite fit well and jogging on steel decks, hammering the joints for a number of years. So when I got the gout and accepted the prescription NSAIDs I thought again "man, it's part of gettin' old!"

Then late last year I started researching anti-inflammatory diets and read some great research on the effects of glutens and lectins on the human body and how some TOLERATE these substances better than others. Around New Years I started a "paleo-ish" diet to the chagrin and heckling of my wife. Normally we had what I'd consider a fairly healthy diet- no fast food, mostly home-cooked meals with plenty of fresh veggies, but plenty of craft beer- and I get moderate exercise running some dogs and moderate weight training. After about a month of the diet change I had dropped close to 10 pounds and my energy level had jumped through the roof, and I was sleeping like a baby. The wife took notice that I had good muscle definition in my back, the lil ol spare tire was disappearing and she was sick of me having more energy than she could handle so she jumped on the bandwagon, too. Over several months with very little effort I managed to drop around 35 pounds that I really didn't know I was carrying and I'd cured the occasional but debilitating bouts of heartburn (history of hiatal hernia in my family) and while the joint damage is likely permanent to some respect, my right foot feels great.

Whenever I get lazy and "stray too far from the farm" I can tell immediately because the body signals that I'm not giving optimal attention and things like fatigue and minor aches set in, and I start feeling not very well-rested in the morning.

Robb Wolf is an excellent resource as is Mark Sisson's site: www.marksdailyapple.com

[DMac]

Awoke,

Get your wife to start taking Oil of Oregano, at least 1x a day, if not 2x per day.

Oregano Oil with 70% Carvacrol. You want a liquid form, and the bottle should list the carvacrol level.


This is the brand I use:
http://www.vitasprings.com/oregano-oil-source-naturals.html


Information on carvacrol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carvacrol

[Awoke]

I will Dmac.

[DMac]

(i hope your still with me here) There are dietary changes that you already have tried, There are other foods out there that can heal up that lining in the bowel. One is slippery elm bark which is one of my absolute favorite herbs in the world. Cannot live without it. You can take it in powder form mixed with water or you can just swallow the herb capsules. It will start to heal your digestive tract from your esophagus down to your rectum .

It has a very very soothing, healing quality that is unsurpassed for healing the digestive tract.
Another one is called marshmallow root & it is also very soothing for the bowel. Another very important aspect to remember is that antibiotics wipe out all the bacteria in the gut. Good & Bad. We have to restore all the good that has been killed off & restore it with acidophilus. The only I use is a brand called P B 8.
Also taking a plant based digestive enzyme with every meal to help the food digest properly.

There are more like aloe vera gel or juice & peppermint tea, but the above foods should help you on your path.

I almost forgot to mention that Candida is a horrible overgrowth of yeast in the body that sometimes accompanies Leaky Gut Syndrome. You can take care of that with the help of the garlic, Oil of oregano etc.


OHL,

Thanks for bringing this topic up. You've covered quite a bit here. I'm glad you mentioned the need for replacement of the 'good' bacteria for digestion. Lately I have not been taking any yogurt or a pill acidophilus. I used to but have been lazy in that regard for a while. I think I notice my own digestion not working at optimum levels and my initial impression was that I've used several oils/herbs for a long time now, without keeping up with the acidophilus, I think I have done a small amount of harm to my lower intestine. Nothing serious but this is a good reminder you've written that perhaps confirms my suspicion that I am missing this part within my supplement program.

Also, slippery elm bark - I've never heard of this. Thanks for bringing it up - I will have to research more and procure some of my own.

Regards,
DM

[Old Herb Lady]

Hey your all welcome peeps !! We're in this togetha !

I just got a PM a while ago about someone thinks that I think my information is the word of God or something like that.

I am an herb snob ! There's a difference ! Big difference ! I would say that studying the Bible does help one to know what kinds
of foods to lean toward, however, I never meant to sound like I was preaching from the Heavens , for goodness sakes !! LOL !

Anyways, I have the personality of Marisa Tomei on My cousin Vinny ! That's how you gotta just read my posts with that personality coming through !

Don't get offended, please !! Just say to yourself, "that's just that crazy old herb lady runnin' off at da mouth again " !!!!!!

No biggie !!! Just take what info you want & the rest, just ignore or put me on your ignore list !!

Life is way tooooo short to hang on to anything that I say !!!! (well unless it is herb stuff LOL !! )

Be blessed, have a great day !!!

I LOVE, LOVE , LOVE every single last post on this thread !! YES ! Everything in every post all ties it all together !!! BEAUTIFUL !!!!!!!!!!

[Awoke]

Hey Awoke. Check out the Paleo Solution (book) by Robb Wolf. Many people have had good success controlling or eliminating their auto-immune issues with his program. He also has a podcast on itunes where he does Q&A's.

http://robbwolf.com/

I read a bunch of reviews I am am going to buy this book for her and myself to read.
The reason this is striking a chord with me is because when she fasted, all her problems went away. You obviously can't fast forever, so she had to start eating again, and her problems resurfaced.

I thought from the start that it was diet related, however she is what most people consider a "healthy eater", staying away from most meats and fats, mostly eating veggies and fruits, but still with breads and other carb sources.

I have always said that mankind is not built to eat the foods we eat in the modern age. Cavemen were not eating deep-fried butter sticks or McDonalds hamburgers. Most of us know the food industry is just another tool being used to keep us perpetually sick until we die on this forum.

Anyways, I am off topic. I will get this book and OoO like Dmac suggested. Thanks.

[Santa]

Anyways, I have the personality of Marisa Tomei on My cousin Vinny ! That's how you gotta just read my posts with that personality coming through !OHL, you wouldn't happen to "look" like Marisa Tomei as well, would ya? Kidding...

By the way, I've been snorting huge piles of Niacin these past couple days and boy am I edgy... what should I do? ;D

[basplaer]

OHL, you wouldn't happen to "look" like Marisa Tomei as well, would ya? Kidding...

By the way, I've been snorting huge piles of Niacin these past couple days and boy am I edgy... what should I do? ;D

Lol...try some valerian root 8-)

[lapis]

I read a week ago or so that a russian doctor had her son immunized and shortly thereafter he came down with an attention disorder.

That's Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride, who wrote Gut and Psychology Syndrome (http://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Syndrome-D-D-D-H-D-Schizophrenia/dp/0954852028).

[horseshoe3]

If you blow your nose after using a netty pot, it can push the nasty stuff through the tiny tubes into your ears. That is likely what gave you the ear infection. It is the most natural thing in the world to want to blow your nose after using a netty pot, but you have to resist until it is drained and dried from breathing.

Also, when I use a netty pot, I feel worse for about an hour, and then much better for the next few days. Seems like having water in your sinuses irritates the tissue for a while. But when the irritation goes down, and the crap is flushed out, it feels wonderful.

[steyr_m]

I just got a PM a while ago about someone thinks that I think my information is the word of God or something like that.



My PM verbatim

Listen, no-one condemned you.

What I said is that your advice is very good. I only said I don't have the time to do all the things you discuss. Especially since I'm very healthy, I don't really need to take ANYTHING. If I want to take something, I'll just take a pill -- a pill of MY choice, not yours.

That being said, just because you say something, doesn't make it next to the word of God -- it doesn't mean people should follow.

This is a forum for learning, for everyone. Everyone has input, You can even maybe learn something about health from me. No-one is the holder of knowledge of any subject here.

If you cannot handle ANY criticism, well, I don't know what to say.....

If you're offended by this message, you can pass it to the Mods, they can handle it.

[Old Herb Lady]

You need to really seriously get a life. Do something ! Do you have a job ?? Why do you keep on & on & on and hanging on every single word that I say ??

What is your problem. ? That is now 3 PM's in one day from you and now a post in this thread just to bug me..... 4 in one day for what ???

What do you want to debate with me ? Let's rock, I'm ready.

You have serious underlying issues that you really need to address.


THANKS FOR COMING HERE WITH YOUR ATTITUDE PROBLEM & FUCKING UP MY NICE THREAD YOU ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!

( Ediited to add : now 4 PM's in one day sent to me)

[ximmy]

You need to really seriously get a life. Do something ! Do you have a job ?? Why do you keep on & on & on and hanging on every single word that I say ??

What is your problem. ? That is now 3 PM's in one day from you and now a post in this thread just to bug me..... 4 in one day for what ???

What do you want to debate with me ? Let's rock, I'm ready.

You have serious underlying issues that you really need to address.


THANKS FOR COMING HERE WITH YOUR ATTITUDE PROBLEM & FUCKING UP MY NICE THREAD YOU ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!

He might be drinking... don't let him derail this thread... take er easy OHL... perhaps we all need to meet up in thunderdope...

[chad]

You need to really seriously get a life. Do something ! Do you have a job ?? Why do you keep on & on & on and hanging on every single word that I say ??

What is your problem. ? That is now 3 PM's in one day from you and now a post in this thread just to bug me..... 4 in one day for what ???

What do you want to debate with me ? Let's rock, I'm ready.

You have serious underlying issues that you really need to address.


THANKS FOR COMING HERE WITH YOUR ATTITUDE PROBLEM & FUCKING UP MY NICE THREAD YOU ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!

i can't believe you haven't been given a timeout yet. the number of times you have insulted + screamed at people in this and the vitamin thread is unbelievable, quite frankly.

[Old Herb Lady]

No i don't think so, he ruined the thread, if he wants to debate with me, we can do it here. Does he drink for real ?

[Old Herb Lady]

Ohhhhh I seeeeeee........ here comes CHADDDYYYYYYYY. Never mind, I have friends like you & steyr. Now I feel bad. Yikes.

[zap]

LOL OHL , If you want to cuss him out Please do it in thunderdome I would hate for you to get a ban. :)

You got friends here OHL ! Mind your own buisness CHAD.

[ximmy]

LOL OHL , If you want to cuss him out Please do it in thunderdome I would hate for you to get a ban. :)

yeah, and chad... shut the fuck up!!

[zap]

yeah, and chad... shut the fuck up!!

See my edit I told Chad to mind his own buisness !!!!:)

[Old Herb Lady]

I just feel sooo bad, I mean uh uh um I didn't know they were "friendly" (ahem) friends, you know ??? I just thought they were forum buddies. Yikes.

[Old Herb Lady]

i can't believe you haven't been given a timeout yet. the number of times you have insulted + screamed at people in this and the vitamin thread is unbelievable, quite frankly.

Who did I scream at besides calling your BF an asshole ? I think I asked someone if they had comprehension problems, I think I told the really hard truth & it was hard to hear for some, but do you think I like hearing the way I get replied back to after I have given info that people need to wake up about . If you don't want to hear it, put me on ignore.

Your BF said he put me on his ignore list today, but he keeps NOT IGNORING me... I WANT HIM TO IGNORE ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Awoke]

This is lame. The thread has potential to be a great learning tool. OHL is just as out-of-line as anyone else in this thread.

[Old Herb Lady]

what did I do , please tell. I called him an a-hole ? Puh lease Awoke !!!!!! He messed up the thread that was very important to me to tell people !!!!

I typed for an hour for that original post. And he comes here and wants people to feel sorry for him ???

Why did he have to start ??? Why ? He did this not me.

[k-os]

I appreciate your advice, OHL, and you did tell people to do their own diligence.

Do any of you wonder about this:

We are all told to get our fiber (which most people consider to be grains) . . . but it seems that the most readily available grain (wheat) is harmful to a lot of people.

Of course, most people don't want to get their fiber from veggies, so that's part of the problem, but it seems like wheat was really pushed for a while. (Not sure if it still is, as I don't see commercials anymore.)

[Old Herb Lady]

I appreciate your advice, OHL, and you did tell people to do their own diligence.

Do any of you wonder about this:

We are all told to get our fiber (which most people consider to be grains) . . . but it seems that the most readily available grain (wheat) is harmful to a lot of people.

Of course, most people don't want to get their fiber from veggies, so that's part of the problem, but it seems like wheat was really pushed for a while. (Not sure if it still is, as I don't see commercials anymore.)

Yes , love, shami also said it so perfectly about the wheat also. Others said how bad it is also.

[zap]

Well damit, I like wheat, and I don't think it is bad for me. But I haven't read anything about it either.

[joboo]

No shortage of the feisty herbs.

Intestinal flora. Something like a few pounds or several trillions of them in a healthy intestine. Sugar, alcohol, and medicines kill them out. All your nutrient absorptions take place after the stomach has broken everything down.

Toss in some good bacteria to help kill off the bad. Capsule form.

Anyhow, I railed 6 fat lines of niacin after work...whoaa I feel great.

[zap]

Doesn't your small intestine absorb the nutrients and your large intestine absorb water? I can't remember.

[Joe King]

No shortage of the feisty herbs.

Intestinal flora. Something like a few pounds or several trillions of them in a healthy intestine. Sugar, alcohol, and medicines kill them out. All your nutrient absorptions take place after the stomach has broken everything down.

Toss in some good bacteria to help kill off the bad. Capsule form.

Anyhow, I railed 6 fat lines of niacin after work...whoaa I feel great.Be careful. You keep messin' with the hard stuff and pretty soon 6 will seem like nothing and your friends and family will be planning an intervention for you. Those you have left after the niacin changes you, anyways.
Niacin. It's not called the gateway vitamin for nothing.

[steyr_m]

Well damit, I like wheat, and I don't think it is bad for me. But I haven't read anything about it either.

I like wheat too. yummy!!! Lobster ravioli is my favourite. -- but it isn't good for you. I had a video earlier in this thread, it might make sense....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFZoqmKf5M&feature=fvst

[Old Herb Lady]

so lemme see if I got this right, we have one drunk and one high at the moment ? !! OMG. The abuse of nature at it's finest !!

Joboo are you mad at me cuz I was supposedly "screaming" at you about your comprehension of my posts the other night ??

Just wondering ? Hey did u get your email back that u sent to them about them vitamins there ?

[Joe King]

so lemme see if I got this right, we have one drunk and one high at the moment ? !! OMG. The abuse of nature at it's finest !!

Just curious, and btw I think herbs are a good thing too, what do you consider to be a non-abusive use of hemp? It's an herb that has a long history of use by man.

[k-os]

I like wheat too. yummy!!! Lobster ravioli is my favourite. -- but it isn't good for you. I had a video earlier in this thread, it might make sense....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFZoqmKf5M&feature=fvst

Thanks for posting that again, steyr_m. I skipped it the first time, because I enjoy reading much more than watching videos. But it was cute and made a lot of sense.

[steyr_m]

No i don't think so, he ruined the thread, if he wants to debate with me, we can do it here. Does he drink for real ?

I'm not trying to "ruin" the thread. I'm offering a different [my] opinion. Are you only allowed to have an opinion here?

[joboo]

so lemme see if I got this right, we have one drunk and one high at the moment ? !! OMG. The abuse of nature at it's finest !!

Joboo are you mad at me cuz I was supposedly "screaming" at you about your comprehension of my posts the other night ??

Just wondering ? Hey did u get your email back that u sent to them about them vitamins there ?

I don't get mad on internet forums. I used to way back in 2004, but no longer, been doing the read, post research, repeat thing too long now.

They replied back this morning, here's a cut and paste (the names have been changed to protect the innocent).

"
Dear, Most fucking awesome super cool extraordinarily well hung handsome guy,

Thank you for contacting us.


All the raw ingredients, extracts, etc, in all of our formulas are pure natural ingredients. You will however find that most natural vits and mins are synthesized in some way or to some extent. This does not make them unnatural in any way, but is the process by which they exist.


You can find out more about the source of our raw ingredients and how they are monitored for purity by going to our on manufacturing and quality link http://www.xtend-life.com/About/Uncompromising_Quality.aspx. Regarding the term organic, a similar explanation goes behind that also...


In the strictest sense of the term ‘organic’, no supplement can ever claim to be this. This is a term that (currently) is only applied to things like vegetables and fruit. It’s all tied up in the methods used when they are grown. For example, we could say that the broccoli sprout powder we use is one of our products is organic because that is simply the powder of the freeze-dried organic sprouts. But that is about as close as anyone can get. So, the moment sources start to change the raw material you can no longer argue that the product is organic.


This basically means that no we do not call them organic, but no more or less than any other supplement on the market!


This doesn’t mean however that the product is not pure, or natural.


I hope this isn't too confusing! Again, I hope our manufacturing and quality descriptions on our About Us page will help to clarify the safety and purity levels we insist on for our products.


I hope that helps and if I can help any further, please let me know.


Kind regards,


Satanic Evil soul sucking Vitamin Monster "





Feel free to whip out the feisty herbs on that. :)

[k-os]

Yes , love, shami also said it so perfectly about the wheat also. Others said how bad it is also.

Right, but what I am getting at is . . . are the same organizations that are telling us to get "more fiber" (and leading us to wheat), are they owned by, or in cahoots with the pharmaceutical companies that are there ready to help the symptoms?

I realize that the pharmaceutical companies are funding diet research, but are they using the information for evil, instead of good . . . on purpose?

[steyr_m]

Thanks for posting that again, steyr_m. I skipped it the first time, because I enjoy reading much more than watching videos. But it was cute and made a lot of sense.

np, I'm just trying to give my input...

[Old Herb Lady]

Quote Steyr I'm not trying to "ruin" the thread. I'm offering a different [my] opinion. Are you only allowed to have an opinion here?





If you are not trying to ruin this thread, then please tell me why you posted your PRIVATE MESSAGE that you sent to me.
I said "someone thinks that I think my words are like the word of God " or something along those lines.

You posted your private message to show it was you, and that's important, why ?

What different opinion did you give that I didn't agree with on this thread ? Please explain & help me to understand why you twist every single one of my words around ?

[zap]

How am I supposed to have toast and eggs if I can't eat wheat bread?

Miltons wheat bread !

[Old Herb Lady]

I don't get mad on internet forums. I used to way back in 2004, but no longer, been doing the read, post research, repeat thing too long now.

They replied back this morning, here's a cut and paste (the names have been changed to protect the innocent).

"
Dear, Most fucking awesome super cool extraordinarily well hung handsome guy,

Thank you for contacting us.


All the raw ingredients, extracts, etc, in all of our formulas are pure natural ingredients. You will however find that most natural vits and mins are synthesized in some way or to some extent. This does not make them unnatural in any way, but is the process by which they exist.


You can find out more about the source of our raw ingredients and how they are monitored for purity by going to our on manufacturing and quality link http://www.xtend-life.com/About/Uncompromising_Quality.aspx. Regarding the term organic, a similar explanation goes behind that also...


In the strictest sense of the term ‘organic’, no supplement can ever claim to be this. This is a term that (currently) is only applied to things like vegetables and fruit. It’s all tied up in the methods used when they are grown. For example, we could say that the broccoli sprout powder we use is one of our products is organic because that is simply the powder of the freeze-dried organic sprouts. But that is about as close as anyone can get. So, the moment sources start to change the raw material you can no longer argue that the product is organic.


This basically means that no we do not call them organic, but no more or less than any other supplement on the market!


This doesn’t mean however that the product is not pure, or natural.


I hope this isn't too confusing! Again, I hope our manufacturing and quality descriptions on our About Us page will help to clarify the safety and purity levels we insist on for our products.


I hope that helps and if I can help any further, please let me know.


Kind regards,


Satanic Evil soul sucking Vitamin Monster "





Feel free to whip out the feisty herbs on that. :)

Laughing so hard, tears rolling down my face. Please stop , I can't take it !!
Soooo funny !!!! Especially the name changes !! I have to find a tissue , I'll be back !! You're sumthin else !!!!!!!

[horseshoe3]

What's the word on psylium (sp?) husk? It is a grain product and pure fiber. Basically it's like eating chaff but not grain. At the risk of sounding crass, I'll say that a heaping tablespoon per day stirred into my applesauce does amazing things in the bathroom.

[BrewTech]

What's the word on psylium (sp?) husk? It is a grain product and pure fiber. Basically it's like eating chaff but not grain. At the risk of sounding crass, I'll say that a heaping tablespoon per day stirred into my applesauce does amazing things in the bathroom.

My brother ate psyllium husk at about the same rate you are talking about (religiously) for many years. He developed celiac disease, and he eventually died. I can't say that one caused the other, but he was kind of a jackass when it came to eating and health, so I would never recommend that anyone follow his lead.

[BrewTech]

What's the word on psylium (sp?) husk? It is a grain product and pure fiber. Basically it's like eating chaff but not grain. At the risk of sounding crass, I'll say that a heaping tablespoon per day stirred into my applesauce does amazing things in the bathroom.

My brother ate psyllium husk at about the same rate you are talking about (religiously) for many years. He developed celiac disease, and he eventually died. I can't say that one caused the other, but he was kind of a jackass when it came to eating and health, so I would never recommend that anyone follow his lead. I figure the stuff will rip up your intestines pretty good as it is "cleaning you out".

[basplaer]

I haven't spent a lot of time researching this yet, bt it seems to have some traction in the ancestral/paleo/primal and Weston A Price communities with regards to artificially high fiber diets. Look into the guy that wrote Fiber Menace and his work on gut health:

Http:/www.gutsense.org/author/author.html

There's even a nice chart for those that are into the visual stimulation if you follow the "start here" link in the author's note section at the bottom :)

[Neuro]

My brother ate psyllium husk at about the same rate you are talking about (religiously) for many years. He developed celiac disease, and he eventually died. I can't say that one caused the other, but he was kind of a jackass when it came to eating and health, so I would never recommend that anyone follow his lead.

I wouldn't rule out there is a connection, I can certainly see that they may irritate the intestinal lining...

[steyr_m]

Thanks for posting that again, steyr_m. I skipped it the first time, because I enjoy reading much more than watching videos. But it was cute and made a lot of sense.

You can also go to the library and check out "The Primal Blueprint" by Mark Sisson. You can also read his definitive guides on his web-page and get a lot of info.

Definitive Guide: The Primal Blueprint
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-primal-blueprint/ The Modern Primal Blueprint]

The Definitive Guide to Grains
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/ [very informative]

All of the Definitive Guides
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/category/definitive-guide/

[steyr_m]

One that I missed that is one of the most important one's

The Definitive Guide to Insulin, Blood Sugar & Type 2 Diabetes (and you’ll understand it)

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/diabetes/

[horseshoe3]

"I wouldn't rule out there is a connection, I can certainly see that they may irritate the intestinal lining... "



It's supposed to scrub all the crap out of the intestine. I imagine it could scrub outthe good lining as well.

[beefsteak]

.
OHL,

My wife and I thank you so very much. What you contributed makes a lot of horse sense to us.

Question please. Having never acquired slippery elm bark before, we have no clue about amounts to consume, how often, if there is male bark or female bark, if hair of the dog comes mixed in or has to be purchased separately. -g-

Please consider making an addendum with a little more meat on the bone you threw us, okay?

PS. My wife has been diagnosed with erosions (3+ in the esophagus) as the result of a hiatal hernia.
She hates taking the prilosec which cleared up her condition. The side effects of that med are horrid!
Her internist isn't too happy with her, and she's delighted to have had me read to her what you wrote yesterday.

Thank you very much for taking the time and writing that up.

Thank you too, Shaman Sarge for reminding us about glutathione. We forgot about that one, which we only learned of recently on the JAP Fukushima thread. Was that you that wrote that up over there?


beefsteak

[horseshoe3]

I haven't spent a lot of time researching this yet, bt it seems to have some traction in the ancestral/paleo/primal and Weston A Price communities with regards to artificially high fiber diets. Look into the guy that wrote Fiber Menace and his work on gut health:

Http:/www.gutsense.org/author/author.html

There's even a nice chart for those that are into the visual stimulation if you follow the "start here" link in the author's note section at the bottom :)

In nourishing traditions, Fallon (disciple of Price) speaks of fiber as good and necessary. Problem with fiber is that the most easily obtained and pallatable sources are grains(bad) and fruit (mostly good, but high sugar). Vegetables just arent that appealing to most people and meat has no fiber.

[MAGNES]

OHL, thanks for the thread, I am going to take some notes and share them.
Maybe I can contribute something later, my sister cured herself of some minor
problems, she has some sort of gluten issues, no wheat of any kind anymore.

I'll stay out of the disagreements here between people, everyone lived.

[Joe King]

Welcome back Magnes....you've been missed.

[steyr_m]

Welcome back Magnes....you've been missed.

steyr_m seconds that

[ximmy]

welcome back magnes....you've been missed.

trololo
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1354&d=1319137962

[steyr_m]

trololo
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1354&d=1319137962

did you get my PM's ? not sure if they worked...

[Joe King]

did you get my PM's ? not sure if they worked...
She's gotton all mine that I've sent her.

[steyr_m]

She's gotton all mine that I've sent her.

Maybe she did, but that doesn't mean she got mine. I didn't see anything in my "sent items" folder...

[Joe King]

Maybe she did, but that doesn't mean she got mine. I didn't see anything in my "sent items" folder...
If you want to keep a copy, you have to have the box checked. There's also one for receipt conformation. {that may not be the exact wording, but there's a check box for it}

ETA: send her a message. I'm sure you'll just love communicating with Ximmy. She's somethin' else.

[steyr_m]

If you want to keep a copy, you have to have the box checked. There's also one for receipt conformation. {that may not be the exact wording, but there's a check box for it}

Looks like I missed that, thanks

[Joe King]

Looks like I missed that, thanksNo prob, steyr. I'm always glad to help if I can.

[ximmy]

Looks like I missed that, thanks


No prob, steyr. I'm always glad to help if I can.

Trolls helping trolls... who would have thunk that... ::)::)::)

[Joe King]

Trolls helping trolls... who would have thunk that... ::)::)::)I've helped you too. Or at least have tried to. Does that mean you're trollin' for me? I've tried biting your line. lol

[steyr_m]

Trolls helping trolls... who would have thunk that... ::)::)::)

Oh my, dear... please refer to the offending post.

[sirgonzo420]

Trolls helping trolls... who would have thunk that... ::)::)::)

I'm familiar with Joe's troll accusations, but what makes you say that of steyr?

[basplaer]

In nourishing traditions, Fallon (disciple of Price) speaks of fiber as good and necessary. Problem with fiber is that the most easily obtained and pallatable sources are grains(bad) and fruit (mostly good, but high sugar). Vegetables just arent that appealing to most people and meat has no fiber.

Yeah, everything you say is true. I have Fallon's book, mostly because I wanted to get into fermentation. I haven't done much with the book other than pulling a few recipes for lacto-fermenting some veggies (I'm making some Korean-approved kimchee now), but my impression (I'll have to go back and read now...) was that the fermentation and/or sprouting process mitigates some of the side effects of ingesting grains, vis-a-vis gluten/lectin toxicity.

You're right, most people don't eat enough veggies, but I am not one of them. I grow a good variety in my crappy place in the Vegas 'burbs and am in the middle of adding a greenhouse onto the back of my house for year-round organic goodness.


Thanks to steyr_m for posting the Marks Daily Apple links. They are very informative and were a great springboard for me in researching what's turned out to be dietary success for me. I highly recommend them as well.

[steyr_m]

Yeah, everything you say is true. I have Fallon's book, mostly because I wanted to get into fermentation.

I want to get Nourishing Traditions myself, but haven't looked through it yet. You may want to look at Sandor Katz' Wild Fermentation too.

[basplaer]

I want to get Nourishing Traditions myself, but haven't looked through it yet. You may want to look at Sandor Katz' Wild Fermentation too.

I've actually got both books. Let me know if you want me to look up anything specific and I'll scan it.

[steyr_m]

I've actually got both books. Let me know if you want me to look up anything specific and I'll scan it.

thanks, but I'll be buying both. Along with this book.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/Stocking-Up-Third-Edition-Americas-Carol-Hupping/9780671693954-item.html?ikwid=stocking+up&ikwsec=Home

[k-os]

I'm familiar with Joe's troll accusations, but what makes you say that of steyr?

I don't like it when people don't answer questions.

[Awoke]

If Steyr's a troll I have completely missed it.

[horseshoe3]

Trolls helping trolls... who would have thunk that... ::)::)::)

I enjoyed your posts while the bad influence was on vacation. Back to normal now I guess.

[steyr_m]

OHL was just miffed that someone posted a differing opinion on her thread. Apparently I was "hijacking" and trying to "ruin" it. She also didn't like that I wouldn't follow her advice on another...

Ximmy was unconditionally supporting her for some unknown reason. I don't know if she was being objective.

I personally feel no-one "owns" a thread.

[Awoke]

1367

[horseshoe3]

He's evil and a third!!

[steyr_m]

Yeah, I was thinking the same my self. Someone is awake this morning. Off to TO tomorrow....

[Old Herb Lady]

Yeah, I was thinking the same my self. Someone is awake this morning. Off to TO tomorrow....

Dear Steyr,

I am going to attempt to explain to you what has transpired here between you and I. No one here sees it & certainly NOT you .
I do not want to argue with you. I do not have the time to commit to an online conversation that is completely misunderstood.
I am a very busy person & can go days & weeks without looking at a computer.

I am going to try not be in a big hurry (even tho I am) and explain to you that WE (me & you) are two totally different people.
I like that. OK. My husband & I are totally opposites and see everything differently and I greatly value & respect every single one of his differing opinions .
We've been married for a VERY long time & have no arguments whatsoever over differing opinions. But the internet is different and so two totally different people cannot
communicate properly like in the "live" world with us standing & talking in front of each other, you know ?

The first thing is.....you have accused me of several different things personally that are untrue.

1.) You continually over & over keep saying that you are only trying to give your opinion & I do not want to hear your opinion. That is 100% completely UNTRUE/FALSE.
(Note:Steyr, I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining our situation) I have NEVER EVER gotten upset over your opinions on a topic or subject.
Look back at all of our communique' and you will see that you always, constantly perceive what I am saying as something else.
For Example: I have NEVER ever in my life said I was a vegan. Not in real life & not online here. That was an assumption made because I support the vegan lifestyle
& know hundreds of them from attending seminars through traveling & studying with them. I am raising a vegetarian & eat primarily vegetarian, totally different.
If I was disagreeing with you, Steyr, I would have talked with you civily about the Paleo Primal Diet, but I chose not to go that route because on the vegan thread last spring
you chose to say how I was in a losing argument & how wrong it was to live like that. I let it go, I didn't get into a difference of opinion with you because you continually, constantly
twist & turn everything I say into something else.

Take a deep breath. Relax. Uhhhhh (still not arguing) I'm just explaining how we MUST learn to live in peace with each other & AGREE to DISAGREE.

2.)(Still not arguing with u, just telling you our communication problems.) Several times in many posts, you say you agree with me, but....then go on to say the opposite.
I feel that you continually talk out of both sides of your mouth constantly .... (with me only, not others here ) If you don't agree with me, it is totally absolutely normal to say
how & what you feel about the advice I stated or about an herb or whatever the topic is, Steyr. Please understand that. Please.
I am so sorry that you can't understand or see this & I don't know why I am the only one who sees the double-speak when you talk to me. (just me not others)
You'll say you agree & then go on to state the exact opposite almost everytime. I'm not sure if you're trying to be nice to me by saying you agree & then try to explain the way you truly disagree about it without having to say it ? Just say you disagree & get to the chase. We could get along so much easier.

3.) You Pm'd me & said to stop lying about the amount of PM's you sent to me & that you were going to tell the Mods that I was lying.
My numbers are 100% completely accurate. I did NOT LIE and you can easily have them check it. I do not like to be called a liar.

4.) There are some people here who are in the field of sheet metal. I consider them extremely knowledgable in their craft.
There is a doctor here who is extremely important to the goings on in the medical world & who will be a vital now & in SHTF.
There are day traders here who are extremely valuable in their knowledge .
There is a chiropractor here who is extremely important to us for the knowledge of the brain, nervous system, etc.
There are tons of people here with VALUABLE inside information that you will only get from the people who are in that line of work.

I listen to them & learn from them. If I choose not to learn from them, I don't tell them "yes, I agree" and then go off on into disagreement.

I am not an "internet google researcher" and then post my findings online.
I am not posting information here because well, I feel like posting some stuff I read online .



5.) I never even got to talk with you about the grains , because of our miscommunication with each other.
I didn't even get to answer any of the questions by all of these people asking me questions in this thread because I was afraid that you were going to start twisting & turning everything
I say into something else. So on the subject of grains, I respectfully will now give my diverse opinion to you.
I eat grains all of the time. You have learned from your personal experience with asthma that you cannot eat grains or they will bring your symptoms of asthma back.
Changing your diet has drastically improved your symptoms, however, my stance is that if one truly heals the body , and heals the immune system, one will be able
to eat the grain. I'm not talking about junk, processed grains. I am against, as you are, all refined, junk, processed foods. We agree on that (see?)
If one heals the body (natural healing) and stops the immune response the body can then tolerate WHOLESOME, PURE, UNADULTERATED, LOW HEATED GRAINS.
If one goes back to eating grains & they get the immune response again, they have to continue to avoid all grains because their body cannot handle it.
My approaches are getting to the root cause of the disease & fixing the underlying malfunction within the body.
Just because one stops eating grains doesn't mean that they have cured their asthma. They're only avoiding the food/problem that make the asthma start up again.

Natural healing is what I am discussing not just covering up or the symptoms or avoiding the trigger foods.

Fortunately, I have been eating grains for as long as I can remember, I don't have an immune response to it .
So yes, some people are able to eat healthy wholesome natural grains even when you say we are not meant to eat it.
(but unprocessed is the key)


Shami said how giving up wheat has been life changing, but only does enough to what he/she feels like doing just to be able to be comfortable & healthy enough
not to be really sick all of time. I respect that, but he said it.....he only does what has to .

Natural Healing takes work. Alot of work. You told me that you will do whatever you want & will take whatever pill you want.
You said that you have no time to want to pick herbs ( i never EVER said to go pick them, I was referencing an herbal supplement company)
I felt that if you have NO time to pick anything (even tho I wasn't even talking about that) but you have all day to post online, that is another
double-talk. You have time to do it, you said you don't want to be an herbologist. Congratulations.
I don't care about that, but you're posting information to clear a person's symptoms .......not get to the root cause of the illness in the body.

So, you see, we are just opposites who need to find a middle-ground somewhere. I don't get offended by differing opinions, I love them.

Try to absorb some of this & if you don't understand, that is OK, because I really don't post much on here anyways, it's just that I wanted/needed for you
to understand what happened here.

We just need to understand where the other one stands to be able to communicate.

PS.... And I never wanted to "debate" the topic being discussed with you. I wanted to debate our issues that I just said here . (our miscommunication) LOL

[ximmy]

To all interested parties regarding trolls... ::)

steyr_m decided trolling the Autoimmune Diseases thread wasn't enough. So for some reason he decided to troll my mailbox with explanations for his battle with Old Herb Lady... so much so that I had to turn it off... ::)

Hope this is enough to answer why ximmy regards him as a troll... If not, pluck you... in love... :D;):p>:D
ximmy

[Old Herb Lady]

To all interested parties regarding trolls... ::)

steyr_m decided trolling the Autoimmune Diseases thread wasn't enough. So for some reason he decided to troll my mailbox with explanations for his battle with Old Herb Lady... so much so that I had to turn it off... ::)

Hope this is enough to answer why ximmy regards his as a troll... If not, pluck you... in love... :D;):p>:D
ximmy

Okay Xim, I hold him down while you kiss him.

[steyr_m]

OHL, I think you've explained everything well.

Maybe we look at things differently. I'm OK wit that.

I was a bit dumbfounded about you supporting the vegan lifestyle last Spring, even after it had dire effects on some children.

This time around all I said was I didn't have the time to be into everything you are into, especially since I consider myself healthy.

If eating grain works for you -- I'm glad you can do it. I've been yo-yo'ing my weight all my life. Shunning grain made me lose all my excess weight [my "6-pack" is starting to show] and I'm in my forties. I had the added bonus of my asthma disappearing, and that wasn't expected.

I think you've made some excellent posts, and will help more people in the future. If I have a malady, I'll probably seek your advice.

Hope you have a good weekend!

steyr_m

[Old Herb Lady]

OHL, I think you've explained everything well.

Maybe we look at things differently. I'm OK wit that.

I was a bit dumbfounded about you supporting the vegan lifestyle last Spring, even after it had dire effects on some children.

This time around all I said was I didn't have the time to be into everything you are into, especially since I consider myself healthy.

If eating grain works for you -- I'm glad you can do it. I've been yo-yo'ing my weight all my life. Shunning grain made me lose all my excess weight [my "6-pack" is starting to show] and I'm in my forties. I had the added bonus of my asthma disappearing, and that wasn't expected.

I think you've made some excellent posts, and will help more people in the future. If I have a malady, I'll probably seek your advice.

Hope you have a good weekend!

steyr_m

Ohhh Thank You so much ! I feel so much better ! Hope you have a nice weekend !!
I do learn from you, also, BTW.

I NOW deeply apologize for calling you what I called you .

Misunderstandings make me say mean things that aren't very nice .

We be cool !

I'll be back next week to answer/ talk about all the kewl replies in this thread.

Peace Out.

[beefsteak]

OHL, did you see me and my wife's request for more detail re: slippery elm bark reco you made and why we're asking?

Would you prefer these type of follow-up questions to be PM'ed to you. Happy to oblige.

Oh, and one more. One of the family outlaws is now diagnosed with colon-rectal cancer...don't know the stage. Getting ready to undergo chemo. Is it too late to do the slippery elm thing now? Or while he's getting radiated on top of everything else?

Thanks.

[horseshoe3]

OHL, did you see me and my wife's request for more detail re: slippery elm bark reco you made and why we're asking?

Would you prefer these type of follow-up questions to be PM'ed to you. Happy to oblige.

Oh, and one more. One of the family outlaws is now diagnosed with colon-rectal cancer...don't know the stage. Getting ready to undergo chemo. Is it too late to do the slippery elm thing now? Or while he's getting radiated on top of everything else?

Thanks.

I would really like to see it discussed on the forum. If it goes to PM, the rest of us can't benefit from the knowledge.