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Santa
19th October 2011, 10:53 AM
This is some sick ass transhumanist BS right here.
Using an adopted boy to hormonally experiment on,
trying to alter his sex from male to female. :mad:
Poor little boy...



Controversial Therapy for Pre-Teen Transgender Patient Raises Questions

By Perry Chiaramonte (http://www.foxnews.com/author/perry-chiaramonte/index.html)
Published October 17, 2011
| FoxNews.com
http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./396/223/Tammy%20Lobel%201.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/us/2011/10/17/thomas-becoming-tammy/)

A lesbian couple in California who say their 11-year-old son Tommy who wants to be a girl named Tammy are giving their child hormone blockers that delay the onset of puberty -- so that he can have more time that he can have more time to decide if he wants to change his gender.
The couple’s supporters say the Hormone Blocking Therapy has only minor side effects and is appropriate for a child who is unsure of his gender. "This is definitely a changing landscape for transgender youth," said Joel Baum, director of education and training for Gender Spectrum, a California-based non-profit group. "This is about giving kids and their families the opportunity to make the right decision."

But critics of the treatment say 11-year-olds are not old enough to make life-altering decisions about changing their gender, and parents should not be encouraging them. They say it’s too soon to tell what the side effects of the treatments may be, and they say Tommy’s parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, are irresponsible for seeking them and allowing them to be administered.
"This is child abuse. It's like performing liposuction on an anorexic child," said Dr. Paul McHugh, professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University.
"It is a disorder of the mind. Not a disorder of the body. Dealing with it in this way is not dealing with the problem that truly exists.
“We shouldn't be mucking around with nature. We can’t assume what the outcome will be," McHugh said.
Dr. Manny Alvarez, senior managing health editor of FoxNews.com (http://foxnews.com/), said the hormone blockers also may pose a medical risk. "I think that it’s highly inappropriate to be interfering with natural hormonal growth patterns,” Alvarez said. “There are significant potential problems necessary for growth and development.
"Potential long-term effects can include other abnormalities of hormones, vascular complications and even potential cancer. I think that if this child – as he finishes his puberty and teenage years – decides to undergo a transgender procedure – then there are proper channels to do so.
“But to do it at the age of 11 -- to me -- could be potentially dangerous to the health of this child," he said.
Tommy's parents, Moreno and Lobel, say they support their child and feel this is the best way for him to find an answer to a question he’s been asking all his life. They say Tommy – whom they now call Tammy – began taking GnRH inhibitors over the summer so that he will remain a prepubescent boy until he turns 14 or 15. They say they want to give him more time to explore the female gender identity that he associates with.
Thomas began saying he was a girl when he was 3 years old, his parents said in an interview with the Daily Mail. He was learning sign language due to a speech impediment, and one of the first things he told his mothers was, “I am a girl.” They say they thought he was confused or mistaken, and signed back, 'No. No. Thomas is a boy."
But Thomas insisted, they said. He shook his head “no” and repeated what he had signed.
They said Thomas threatened to mutilate his genitals when he was 7, and psychiatrists diagnosed a gender identity disorder.
One year later, he began transitioning to Tammy.
After much deliberation with family and therapists, the child began taking hormone blockers a few months ago. The medication, which must be changed once a year, was implanted in the boy’s upper left arm.
Tommy will continue this treatment until he turns 14 or 15, at which point he will be taken off the blockers and pursue the gender he feels is the right one. He will then either start his puberty cycle as a boy – or begin making the full transition to a girl.
"There's an increase of children who are telling their parents that they are a different gender. We're trying to understand why there's an increase," said Diane Ehrensaft, a developmental and clinical psychologist and author of the book, "Gender-Born. Gender-Made," who says the trend may be due to a more open society.
But while chemicals are giving children like Tommy more time to decide which side of the fence they belong on, some critics say that some children who question their identity at a very young age might change their mind when they start adolescence.
"Most transgender patients will say that they knew at 6 years old. But what we don't know is how many others had those thoughts and feelings that went away once they hit puberty," said Dr. Jeffrey Spiegel, a professor at Boston University and a plastic surgeon who specializes in facial feminization operations for transgender men.
"While it may be a good therapy for those who've committed to transgender, it may not be good for those who might have changed their mind once they hit puberty and beyond."
Walt Heyer, whose book "Paper Genders" details his own experience transitioning from a man to a woman and back again, agreed. "The blockers should NOT be introduced to a child," Heyer said. "If they are going to make a transition, they should wait to do so when they reach 18 to 20 years old. When you start the therapy at that age you are not dealing with the fact that the mind is not fully developed."
Heyer also cited a Dutch study that said 61 percent of individuals who desire a gender change are found to have secondary psychiatric disorders, such as depression or dissociative disorder, which he suffered from.
Other critics asked whether Tommy’s same-sex parents may be unknowingly influencing his questions about his gender.
“Undue influence on the child simply has to be ruled out,” said psychiatrist Keith Ablow, a Fox News contributor. “It's the psychologically correct thing to do, the ethical thing to do and the moral thing to do."
"Obviously, when two females adopt a male child, then assert that the child is not actually male, but is, instead, actually a female -- like both of them. Everyone in the family should be psychologically evaluated in a comprehensive way before a step like gender reassignment is considered,” said Ablow.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/controversial-therapy-for-young-transgender-patients-raises-questions/#ixzz1bFZpMGCA

DMac
19th October 2011, 11:03 AM
A boy growing up in the shadow of 2 women wants to be a woman also. Shocked.

Lack of a strong male in the house has nothing to do with this I suppose.

::)

undgrd
19th October 2011, 11:04 AM
I'm curious how many of these stories cut the other way. I've heard at least 3 other stories of boys wanting to be girls but haven't heard one of a girl wanting to be a boy.

Son-of-Liberty
19th October 2011, 11:04 AM
If child protective services was doing their job they would immediately seize the child from these loons. But as usual selective enforcement is the rule.

This type of shit makes me sick!

basplaer
19th October 2011, 11:09 AM
A boy growing up in the shadow of 2 women wants to be a woman also. Shocked.

Lack of a strong male in the house has nothing to do with this I suppose.

::)

Now you're just being genderist. Hate speech! Hate speech! :o

Serpo
19th October 2011, 11:25 AM
This is child abuse

Santa
19th October 2011, 11:29 AM
I wonder if these witches are planning to surgically lop the boys nuggets off for his 12th birthday.

As sick as the people are who are involved in this, including the Dr. prescribing the hormones, I'm actually
more concerned about this story being advertized or normalized on FOXJEWS Inc.

Now every witch is going to want their very own little boy to cook up and of course the State will sell them one for cheap.

solid
19th October 2011, 11:38 AM
This poor child is being brainwashed into thinking that being a boy, there is something wrong with him. That growing up to be a man is not good enough, and that it's his fault for being born that way.

This is 100% child abuse, in the worst way. It's all being packaged under being 'modern' or 'having a choice'. This a perfect example of how our society hates men as well.

Take the opposite scenario. Imagine two gay men raising a daughter, and giving her testosterone boosters to make her a man. What would 'society' say about that?

Cebu_4_2
19th October 2011, 11:39 AM
Happened to Michael Jackson to keep his voice high, then the elites destined him to poverty and portrayed him holding a child off a balcony.. hmm nice. child abuser... mmmm okay I believe what they tell me. A bit later he died of natural/doctors overdose... hmm i believe it right?

Shami-Amourae
19th October 2011, 11:47 AM
Does it make more sense now? Yes that's "her".

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./660/606/Tammy%20Lobel%204.jpg

Cebu_4_2
19th October 2011, 11:49 AM
one apple spoils the bunch. I wish the absolute best for this poor child.

Shami-Amourae
19th October 2011, 11:51 AM
I see nothing wrong for males becoming lesbians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTbFN0EsDM

madfranks
19th October 2011, 11:52 AM
Thomas began saying he was a girl when he was 3 years old, his parents said in an interview with the Daily Mail. He was learning sign language due to a speech impediment, and one of the first things he told his mothers was, “I am a girl.” They say they thought he was confused or mistaken, and signed back, 'No. No. Thomas is a boy." But Thomas insisted, they said. He shook his head “no” and repeated what he had signed.

Liars. Some fiction to help ease their seared consciences.

Neuro
19th October 2011, 12:25 PM
Utterly bizarre! But they take children away from normal biological parents for refusing to vaccinate their children. Playing around with a childs natural hormones will most certainly have disastrous effects long term. Many of the people mentioned in this story should be jailed! SICK FUCKS!

ShortJohnSilver
19th October 2011, 01:05 PM
Does it make more sense now? Yes that's "her".

http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/U.S./660/606/Tammy%20Lobel%204.jpg


Notice the occult "Tree of Life" on the t-shirt as well. This kind of Jew, at least, is part of the "spirit of rebellion, the spirit of anti-Christ" written about in the Bible.

Dogman
19th October 2011, 01:09 PM
In my mind what that couple are doing is just plane wrong. And the kid way too young to make that kind of decision for himself. Those two should see some jail time and the kid taken away from them, and placed in a more responsible home if one could be found.

Uncle Salty
19th October 2011, 01:41 PM
Trippy ass karma all the way around if you ask me.

mrnhtbr2232
19th October 2011, 02:13 PM
I suppose you could look at this from a generational point of view. Those of us old enough to remember the 60's recall a rebellion of self expression - the more bizarre an act was, the more potent it was supposed to be. What we see in this case is two women, both with low self-esteem that are acting out their rebellion - but in their case it is rebellion against taking responsibility for themselves and their natural path. The kid is a pet they play around with, channeling the same passive-aggressive B.S. to his mind and warping his intuition that they use to navigate their snarky world. That kid is going to be another leech for government benefits and cost taxpayers over time - a seldom-mentioned side effect of their debauchery.

osoab
19th October 2011, 02:42 PM
Why didn't they adopt a girl?

Santa
19th October 2011, 03:20 PM
Why didn't they adopt a girl?

They wouldn't be able to psychologically abuse and physically torment a girl?

Son-of-Liberty
19th October 2011, 03:21 PM
Take the opposite scenario. Imagine two gay men raising a daughter, and giving her testosterone boosters to make her a man. What would 'society' say about that?

That would be child abuse for sure, you can't give children steroids!! OMG!!

Awoke
19th October 2011, 06:08 PM
"This is definitely a changing landscape for transgender youth," said Joel Baum, director of education and training for Gender Spectrum, a California-based non-profit group. "This is about giving kids and their families the opportunity to make the right decision."


That is not a goyim name.

Mouse
19th October 2011, 11:03 PM
What a gordian knot is this. You could say that in a true free state, the parents can raise the kid however the F they want. But the parents aren't even parents, they are state appointed "guardians". To think the state would appoint lesbian women to parent a ward of the state is apropos, I suppose. He is a petri dish experiment for their ongoing war against God.

If..you could retell the story and the parents are his natural parents, and the kids not a fucking retard, and blah blah, everything is "normal", one could argue that the kid and the parents can do whatever they like and the state should stay the hell out of it. But then your libertarian thinking puts you in a straightjacket that people can abuse children under liberty and freedom and "let the state leave us alone" doctrine. This type of issue cannot be solved other than to follow the basics of law that state that a man (or woman :) ) cannot contract until reaching the age of consent. Even that does not provide any protection.

Given this, I would suggest that kids such as this one will always be abused regardless of laws and regulations. The kid will live or die and quality of life will be what it is based upon upbringing. To make parents be good parents would be to compel. Any force in the situation is slavery. Therefore, the kid will end up getting fixed if that's what the parents want. He is chattel of the state, chattel of the parents.

One hell of an experiment to see how we sheeps react to accepting the inevitable mark.

PatColo
20th October 2011, 12:07 AM
the bigger pic/agenda:

Thread: Post-Genderism: Beyond the Gender Binary (Trans-Humanism stuff) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54367-Post-Genderism-Beyond-the-Gender-Binary-%28Trans-Humanism-stuff%29)


I'm gonna link this thread with that one now, perfect fit

Joe King
20th October 2011, 12:31 AM
the bigger pic/agenda:

Thread: Post-Genderism: Beyond the Gender Binary (Trans-Humanism stuff) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54367-Post-Genderism-Beyond-the-Gender-Binary-%28Trans-Humanism-stuff%29)


I'm gonna link this thread with that one now, perfect fit
Oh no! you already linked that one to this one.
If you link this one back to that one you'll create an infinity loop and we'll become trapped. http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/BJ_BOBBI_JO9/Emotions%20feelings%20moods%20related/smileychained.gif