Why is there so much apathy?

[sunshine05]

Not here, but in general. People have become so self-absorbed. It's impossible to motivate people to do the simplest thing. Some of you are aware that I've been working on the wrongful conviction, making videos, blogging about it and trying to expose all the misconduct and the fact that he was completely railroaded.

After the trial, there were a lot of supporters. We formed a group, about 70 of us. For the past few days I've been trying to get them to sign a petition and to donate a few bucks toward his defense since we have something specific we want to use the money for to help prove he was framed. One person donated. I was only asking for $5-10. A handful signed the petition but the majority - no response. It's been 6 months since the trial and I guess people have forgotten about it. It's just frustrating.

And this is just one example of many. People just don't care. I guess as long as it's not happening to them, why worry about it? The total police state is fine with them I guess. This reaction allows officials to continue to abuse their authorities. As long as they get away with it, why not?

[osoab]

Fluoride, HFCS, teevee, etc.

[sunshine05]

I think his defense lawyer was excellent but his hands were tied because the judge wouldn't allow the most crucial evidence into the trial - evidence that computer files were planted. Judge is a former cop and wasn't about to let the defense make the claim that police possibly planted evidence on the computer, the only evidence that convicted him.

He is indigent, so money isn't available to hire an attorney. But we'll have to see what happens when the appeal is filed. His appeal attorney is supposed to be good.

I just wish that more people in my county would take an interest in this because they could be next. The crooked cops are still on the force.

[Dogman]

Not here, but in general. People have become so self-absorbed. It's impossible to motivate people to do the simplest thing. Some of you are aware that I've been working on the wrongful conviction, making videos, blogging about it and trying to expose all the misconduct and the fact that he was completely railroaded.

After the trial, there were a lot of supporters. We formed a group, about 70 of us. For the past few days I've been trying to get them to sign a petition and to donate a few bucks toward his defense since we have something specific we want to use the money for to help prove he was framed. One person donated. I was only asking for $5-10. A handful signed the petition but the majority - no response. It's been 6 months since the trial and I guess people have forgotten about it. It's just frustrating.

And this is just one example of many. People just don't care. I guess as long as it's not happening to them, why worry about it? The total police state is fine with them I guess. This reaction allows officials to continue to abuse their authorities. As long as they get away with it, why not?

There are so many ways that brought this on.

All news is bad and has been for years, Watching this country slide into the cesspool at the speed of a snail. Politicians that value their jobs more than doing what is right for this country, plus seeing that this country is run by big business for the bankers and rich.

Watching their standard of living go down the tubes, and jobs going everywhere but here.

Watching all of the above and more, happening, and knowing and feeling like there is not a dam thing you can do anything about it.

Getting tired of hoping for a bright future when all that can be seen on the horizon is gray and black clouds and knowing your kids and maybe yourself will not have a better life than your parents had.

ETC, ETC, ETC !

[Book]

People just don't care.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-lLJikOI4

20.4 MILLION of our fellow Americans tuned into Dancing With The Stars this week.



::) they care lots...even VOTE by the millions at DWTS each week...

[Libertarian_Guard]

Fluoride, HFCS, teevee, etc.

Long before any of that...........


First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.


And todays version............



First they came for the hackers.
But I never did anything illegal with my computer,
so I didn't speak up.

Then they came for the pornographers.
But I thought there was too much smut on the Internet anyway,
so I didn't speak up

Then they came for the anonymous remailers.
But a lot of nasty stuff gets sent from anon.penet.fi,
so I didn't speak up.

Then they came for the encryption users.
But I could never figure out how to work PGP anyway,
so I didn't speak up.

Then they came for me.

And by that time there was no one left to speak up.

[hoarder]

Apathy seems worse in the South for some reason, at least that's my impression. In the South, apathy is "cool".

They seem to pride themselves in it more down there. "I'm just like Donald Duck, I don't give a ......."

[mrnhtbr2232]

People are indifferent as a product of gratuitous voyeurism at the expense of others.

[Hillbilly]

Not here, but in general. People have become so self-absorbed. It's impossible to motivate people to do the simplest thing. Some of you are aware that I've been working on the wrongful conviction, making videos, blogging about it and trying to expose all the misconduct and the fact that he was completely railroaded.

After the trial, there were a lot of supporters. We formed a group, about 70 of us. For the past few days I've been trying to get them to sign a petition and to donate a few bucks toward his defense since we have something specific we want to use the money for to help prove he was framed. One person donated. I was only asking for $5-10. A handful signed the petition but the majority - no response. It's been 6 months since the trial and I guess people have forgotten about it. It's just frustrating.

And this is just one example of many. People just don't care. I guess as long as it's not happening to them, why worry about it? The total police state is fine with them I guess. This reaction allows officials to continue to abuse their authorities. As long as they get away with it, why not?




To really understand Apathy you need to read: Dianetics and the Science of Survival by L. Ron Hubbard. Once you understand how it is all relevant to the Tone Scale and how people slide up and down that scale it makes a lot of sense why things are the way they are.

[midnight rambler]

The illusion is powerful. The veil has been pulled over the eyes of most and they have been falsely led to believe that they are powerless to change their circumstances and exercise their unalienable Creator endowed right to self-determination.

[Agrippa]

Men are domesticated animals, bred for docility throughout recorded history. The wonder is that there are still a few sports who look up....

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I bet apathy was high during the end of the other empires throughout history as well.

[Celtic Rogue]

Fluoride, HFCS, teevee, etc.

and not to mention... vaccinations, hormones and antibiotics in our meat and milk. Plastics leaching all sorts of toxic crap into our foods... pesticides... herbicides... and along with the prescribed mind altering drugs... you have one hopped up society.

[gunDriller]

i talked to my mother about that last night ... i'm visiting family. we were going to watch a show she had TiVo'ed, and the news.

i asked if we could watch the show, and i told her i would summarize the news.

News summary -
* Chimp-out in Peoria
* 5200 pound copper bell stolen in San Fran
* all other disasters proceeding on course - Fukushima, world financial disintegration, etc. - but no real "new" news on those fronts.


we then got to talking - for about the first time ever - about the US financial scams of the last 15 years. i told her about Brookesley Born - who saw the disaster coming during the Clinton Administration, and moved to regulate credit derivatives ... only to run into a stone wall composed of 3 Jewish bankers - Greenspan, Rubin, and Summers.

i also told her about the change in SEC law in 2006, whereby Bush delegated to Negroponte the legal prerogative to report financial results accurately. i.e. they were exempt from GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles), if they were doing business with the US gov., for "national security reasons".

i then pointed out that she knew the rest - the local paper had had some great articles in 2007-2008 about mortgage-backed securities. i pointed out that the hedge funds & banks made loads of money 'on the way up', then lost a few $Trill on the way down - only to have their losses backstopped by the US gov. all stuff she knew about.

i also pointed out that the hedge fund managers were using their corporation as a shield - they suck the money out when times are good, and it goes into their personal pocket. when times are bad, the corporation takes the brunt of the blow.

i pointed out that the US gov had 2 prerogatives - to deny Wall Street scammers their corporate protections, and to claw back money from their personal fortunes. then to go after all the corporations' profits, if they were derived from financial scams.

i pointed out that of course Bush wasn't going to do either of these enforcement actions, but that Obama hadn't either. that to vote for him was to vote for letting the crooks get away with their scam.


on the front of what we can do, i pointed out that she can refuse to do business with them. and she can refuse to give Obama her vote a second time.

as far as who to vote for, i suggested Ron Paul - the only candidate to partially stand up to entrenched Wall Street interests. she said he couldn't be elected. i said he's actually done very well in early polls, and that his support is broad and deep. but that the mainstream media doesn't like him, and that their support is worth at least 20 million votes.

anyway, it got her thinking.


on Sunday, my sister-in-law said, "the FDA protects us". this was an open invitation to talk about fluoride in the drinking water & Fukushima. in that case, i passed because i wanted to play monopoly with my niece & nephew.

[Buddha]

and not to mention... vaccinations, hormones and antibiotics in our meat and milk. Plastics leaching all sorts of toxic crap into our foods... pesticides... herbicides... and along with the prescribed mind altering drugs... you have one hopped up society.
I know all of these things are contaminating our precious bodily fluids, but I woke up while on all of this shit. It's no excuse. I hate the society that I live in.

[LastResort]

on Sunday, my sister-in-law said, "the FDA protects us". this was an open invitation to talk about fluoride in the drinking water & Fukushima. in that case, i passed because i wanted to play monopoly with my niece & nephew.

I try to break things down for my parents too. I have learned to keep my mouth shut around most of my friends though. Like last saturday night. I was at a friends watching the hockey game. I asked his son, who is 17 and graduating highschool in a few months what hes going to with himself when schools done. He replied " I'm going to join the Canadian army. I want to go overseas and keep Canada safe from the terrorists." It took me a minute to think. I was like "well at least pick a skilled trade to get into so you're not on the front line. The world is going through some tough times." I then focused the attention back to the hockey game...LOL

[dys]

I try to break things down for my parents too. I have learned to keep my mouth shut around most of my friends though. Like last saturday night. I was at a friends watching the hockey game. I asked his son, who is 17 and graduating highschool in a few months what hes going to with himself when schools done. He replied " I'm going to join the Canadian army. I want to go overseas and keep Canada safe from the terrorists." It took me a minute to think. I was like "well at least pick a skilled trade to get into so you're not on the front line. The world is going through some tough times." I then focused the attention back to the hockey game...LOL

But doesn't this example demonstrate that there isn't apathy? A 17yr old kid willing to die for something, that's not apathy. People are not apathetic at all when they are told to do something by authority. People are only apathetic when they are challenging authority. Kind of ass backwards and I will never understand it.

dys

[Santa]

But doesn't this example demonstrate that there isn't apathy? A 17yr old kid willing to die for something, that's not apathy. People are not apathetic at all when they are told to do something by authority. People are only apathetic when they are challenging authority. Kind of ass backwards and I will never understand it.

dys

Not bucking authority. Not bucking the system... A sort of immediate visceral chemical reaction to change. Frogs don't jump out of the pot as it's getting hot. They commiserate about the luxurious warmth and comfort of the water till they fall asleep.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Sometimes I just want to slap people for being apathetic. One person I know who has some serious health issues I have tried to help, give advice on multiple occasions and she won't take any action. Doesn't want to change her diet, exercise, lifestyle or see physiotherapists or anything. She will go to regular doctors though. None of the suggestions I have given her would even cost her anything. Pretty sad when she literally could die and she still won't take any action. It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. All she has to do is help herself but she won't.

[dys]

Sometimes I just want to slap people for being apathetic. One person I know who has some serious health issues I have tried to help, give advice on multiple occasions and she won't take any action. Doesn't want to change her diet, exercise, lifestyle or see physiotherapists or anything. She will go to regular doctors though. None of the suggestions I have given her would even cost her anything. Pretty sad when she literally could die and she still won't take any action. It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. All she has to do is help herself but she won't.

She would never believe that listening to someone like you would be helping herself, that is the problem. I believe that the number one problem that people that have taken the red pill face is authoritarianism.

dys

[Joe King]

She would never believe that listening to someone like you would be helping herself, that is the problem. I believe that the number one problem that people that have taken the red pill face is authoritarianism.

dysA lot of people actually want that. Milgram proved it with his experiments.
ie that 2/3rds of the people are willing to abide by whatever their perception of authority happens to be, tells them to do.

[dys]

A lot of people actually want that. Milgram proved it with his experiments.
ie that 2/3rds of the people are willing to abide by whatever their perception of authority happens to be, tells them to do.

This is true. The question is, why is it true? I say that it's true because of social engineering.

dys

[Son-of-Liberty]

There is some of that but there is more to it as well. It seems like she is more worried about trying something different and failing. Learned helplessness basically. She can't process that if she changes her diet and it doesn't have any beneficial affect that she will be no worse off then she is now and can go back to her old ways if she wants. She is afraid to try anything new even though there are no consequences and it could potentially save her life. I don't understand the mentality.

It reminds me of woman who stay with physically abusive men. They would rather stay in a bad painful situation (emotionally and physically) then leave it and face the unknown. Only in this case the abuser is the situation, the lifestyle, the system.

I can't wrap my head around this sort of thought process.

[Joe King]

This is true. The question is, why is it true? I say that it's true because of social engineering.

dysIf so, it's always been there because the Germans were susceptable to it. ie the "just following orders" defense. So it's nothing new to the so-called modern World.

Personally, I feel it's just a part of human nature to look to some form of authority figure in their lives, albeit to varying degrees in different people.

[Santa]

Do you suppose a death wish of sorts lies within each of us in varying degrees? Not in our DNA, but deeper still, within our very souls?

Perhaps we yearn for that ineffable connection with God... wherein that living of life and the self consciousness that arises from it seems so inclined to separate us from?

Our souls yearn for God, but our material bodies resist?

Maybe this is the edge in the jazz that existence plays. The dissonance necessary for the creative drive in which life depends.

Maybe one mans passions are at least in part, a consequence of another mans apathy.

[dys]

If so, it's always been there because the Germans were susceptable to it. ie the "just following orders" defense. So it's nothing new to the so-called modern World.

Personally, I feel it's just a part of human nature to look to some form of authority figure in their lives, albeit to varying degrees in different people.

This goes back a lot further than ze Germans. It goes all the way back.

dys

[iOWNme]

Apathy come from Decadence.

Decadence comes from being handed wealth and freedom you didnt have to earn.

It is a repeating cycle. Freedom brings great abundance. Great abundance brings decadence. Decadence brings apathy. Apathy leads to SLAVERY. Slavery leads to revolution. And the cycle starts over again.

[Twisted Titan]

Its just too early to start dispensing frontier justice on the known guilty as they are a protected class


The protections are crumbling at quicker pace by the day

[sunshine05]

I try to break things down for my parents too. I have learned to keep my mouth shut around most of my friends though. Like last saturday night. I was at a friends watching the hockey game. I asked his son, who is 17 and graduating highschool in a few months what hes going to with himself when schools done. He replied " I'm going to join the Canadian army. I want to go overseas and keep Canada safe from the terrorists." It took me a minute to think. I was like "well at least pick a skilled trade to get into so you're not on the front line. The world is going through some tough times." I then focused the attention back to the hockey game...LOL

It's interesting that we're at a time now when we can't freely discuss the truth about what's really going on in the world. I guess we all are beginning to understand how Winston felt in 1984. I'm glad we have this forum.

[sunshine05]

Sometimes I just want to slap people for being apathetic. One person I know who has some serious health issues I have tried to help, give advice on multiple occasions and she won't take any action. Doesn't want to change her diet, exercise, lifestyle or see physiotherapists or anything. She will go to regular doctors though. None of the suggestions I have given her would even cost her anything. Pretty sad when she literally could die and she still won't take any action. It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. All she has to do is help herself but she won't.

I know some people too who think I'm nuts when I recommend alternative medicine options. They are so trusting in the medical establishment. It's frustrating. I hate that my dad takes the cholesterol lowering meds but he refuses to listen.

[Joe King]

This goes back a lot further than ze Germans. It goes all the way back.

dysOh, most def.

I was just using them as an example that was happening before most here were ever alive.
ie I read a lot of comments from people that seem to think that things have only "gone wrong" authority-wise in the past few decades.

[osoab]

I'm apathetic.

Being around sheep sucks.

[General of Darkness]

If you have paypal I'll donate $50

[sunshine05]

GoD, that is so incredibly generous of you. You are a wonderful person. Thank you so much.

The paypal link is here:

http://www.justiceforbrad.com/

[General of Darkness]

GoD, that is so incredibly generous of you. You are a wonderful person. Thank you so much.

The paypal link is here:

http://www.justiceforbrad.com/

Done. Good luck my friend.

[sunshine05]

Done. Good luck my friend.

If you ever need anything, please let me know. I appreciate it so much.

[General of Darkness]

If you ever need anything, please let me know. I appreciate it so much.

Well I hope that people on the forum will follow my lead. I'd actually ask you to do me favor and just let me know how else I can help.

Helping with this travesty is just assisting in REAL justice being served. Looking at my account I can do another $50.

[sunshine05]

I'm putting in $100 and I think we're getting close to our goal to get the computer tested. This should be a big help to his case!