if ron paul wins, the gold bull is dead (think about it)

[Large Sarge]

been thinking this over.

and he will institute reforms, raise interest rates, cut spending, etc

perhaps link the dollar to gold.

anyway, I like old RP, in spite of his "ducking the questions", but for metals investors, if by some small miracle he does win....
well, I think that would be the beginning of the end for this market...

food for thought

[Cebu_4_2]

Gold and silver will still have the same value as always. Right now it takes around 98 dollars to equal a 1913 dollar.

[Sparky]

Yes, it would be the beginning of the end PM bull market. So it makes for a philosophical question for metal holders: Do you want the financial system to remain on a collision course, or do you want it fixed?

[Cebu_4_2]

Pretty cool calculator.

http://www.shadowstats.com/inflation_calculator?amount1=100&y1=2010&m1=9&y2=1913&m2=9&calc=Find+Out

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

One man stops a plan for global domination propigated by powerful families and uncounted minions. A plan that has been unfolding according to their unwavering direction for Millennia stopped DEAD in its tracks - by one man.

think about it.



It has the makings of an epic story.












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[Celtic Rogue]

Gold and silver will still have the same value as always. Right now it takes around 98 dollars to equal a 1913 dollar.

I agree ...Gold is not an investment... Its a storage of wealth. If you have gold thinking it will increase in value you have the wrong picture. It will preserve wealth very well... but in the end will just keep what you have from being taxed away through inflation. There are times that gold will give you more buying power while the dollar rises and falls but again that is not the reason to buy precious metals.

Give me a sound uncontrolled market and sound money and the eend of the fed... thats what I would like. Then I can increase my wealth through real business opportunities! Not the expantion and contraction of the business cycles created by the fed.

[gunDriller]

on the other hand - Just think if the many nations that practice cyanide leach mining instituted stricter environmental controls - which they have every right to do.

Barrick's south american mine - 249 tons of cyanide for one ton of gold - CLOSED !

conservatively, i think that would drop production from 2400/2500 tons to 2000 tons - maybe drop it a lot more.

that, plus some fiscal responsibility from the US government - which is like expecting me to crap Gummi Bears - anyway, yes, Ron Paul style fiscal responsibility could slow the collapse of the US $.

BUT - it could also inspire 7 billion people to get smart and start using gold & silver. an RJ45 jack - the thing you use for a dial-up modem - has 4 gold plated contacts. might contain 1 10 millionth of an ounce of gold. with gold at $10 million, it would be one RJ-45 jack for a pound of apples.

could go either way.

haven't had my coffee yet ;)

[SWRichmond]

I do not believe I wold suffer any loss of buying power on the gold and gold investments that I own. I believe recognition of gold as real money would increase their value and then stabilize it.

EVEN IF THAT WERE NOT THE CASE, I would be willing to take a loss on those investments if I were to be able to see a future with an un-manipulated currency in a real currency system fostering reality and growth in a real (nor financialized) economic system.

[Neuro]

I do not believe I wold suffer any loss of buying power on the gold and gold investments that I own. I believe recognition of gold as real money would increase their value and then stabilize it.

EVEN IF THAT WERE NOT THE CASE, I would be willing to take a loss on those investments if I were to be able to see a future with an un-manipulated currency in a real currency system fostering reality and growth in a real (nor financialized) economic system.
If gold was pegged to USD, USD would strengthen, you might as well hold paper dollars short term, long term though gold would be safer, even with a peg too much paper could be issued by the treasury, and the peg may not be defendable... I would imagine they would need to set the peg at at least $5000/toz maybe $10.000, to be able to get sufficient gold to maintain a peg to begin with, I don't think the US has anywhere near the 8000 tons of gold they claim they have...

[mamboni]

If Ron Paul wins, If!

That's one big IF. I for one don't believe that he will win.

Gold price would peak and likely decline, in nominal terms, if a president Paul could institute monetary and fiscal reforms. But, gold would maintain it's purchasing power regardless. During the deflationary Great Depression, holders of gold did judt fine and owners of gold mining stocks made a veritable killing.

[po boy]

If people hadn't impaired their status with .gov and quit practicing communism in America while buying selling and trading with gold and silver or labor as was intended by the founders no one would care about the FRN.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Even if RP won and fixed the monetary system in the US the rest of the world would still o over the cliff. I doubt RP would be too keen on bailing out foreign banks like the fed has been doing lately so I believe gold would still go up.

[Bigjon]

been thinking this over.

and he will institute reforms, raise interest rates, cut spending, etc

perhaps link the dollar to gold.

anyway, I like old RP, in spite of his "ducking the questions", but for metals investors, if by some small miracle he does win....
well, I think that would be the beginning of the end for this market...

food for thought

If Ron Paul get elected and he gets a gold standard, gold will go to the moon in terms of the toilet paper called FRN's.

[madfranks]

One man stops a plan for global domination propigated by powerful families and uncounted minions. A plan that has been unfolding according to their unwavering direction for Millennia stopped DEAD in its tracks - by one man.

think about it.



It has the makings of an epic story.



One man pulled it off before, his name was Andrew Jackson. Against all odds he took out the Bank of the United States.

[midnight rambler]

One man pulled it off before, his name was Andrew Jackson. Against all odds he took out the Bank of the United States.

Yeah, but that was before the nation turned away from God and His laws...

[letter_factory]

no way anyone can fix it. you can take what every person, corporation, business, estate, everything tangible, whatever has, and we'll still be so far in debt that we'd never pay it off in 20 years. The only way to fix it is to cut services, and when people depend on these services for their very existence (social security, welfare, medicare, medicaid unemployment, etc) cutting services will never happen.



The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.


Another way to look at ron paul is...you see how they shape the debate in europe as austerity. well, ron paul is the same thing--austerity cloaked under the guise of cutting the budget.

[Sparky]

If Ron Paul wins, If!

That's one big IF. I for one don't believe that he will win.

Gold price would peak and likely decline, in nominal terms, if a president Paul could institute monetary and fiscal reforms. But, gold would maintain it's purchasing power regardless. During the deflationary Great Depression, holders of gold did judt fine and owners of gold mining stocks made a veritable killing.

I generally agree with this, with one modification. Gold doesn't really maintain the same value; it really maintains a purchasing power "range". In 1970, 100 ounces of gold bought you 1 mid-sized sedan. In 1975 it bought two. In 1980 it bought six. In 1985, 1990, and 1995, it bought about two-and-a-half. In 2000, it bought less than two. In 2005 it bought more than two. By 2010 it bought four. Today it buys six again. So 100 ounces of gold maintains its purchasing power in that it will always buy you a car. But it might buy you as many as six cars, or maybe 10 some day. But it's value certainly does not remain steady.

In contrast, fiat currency is almost certain to buy you less with time, with varying rates of depreciation. That's the real protection of gold.

[Uncle Salty]

If Ron Paul wins...lol...hee hee hee...ha ha ha.

If I have sex with Mila Kunis...

[Celtic Rogue]

Well all I know is... that the quickest way not to get Dr Paul elected is to constantly say he can not be elected. Geesh... you guys sound like the main stream media?

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Yeah-because saying something doesn't look good makes it look worse?::)

I'm sure there is a board for Paul cheerleaders. I think here - we should just tell the truth.

[Twisted Titan]

no way anyone can fix it. you can take what every person, corporation, business, estate, everything tangible, whatever has, and we'll still be so far in debt that we'd never pay it off in 20 years. The only way to fix it is to cut services, and when people depend on these services for their very existence (social security, welfare, medicare, medicaid unemployment, etc) cutting services will never happen.




et.

Abosolute bolderdash

Kaddafi proved that people can have basic subsidies and a nation can thrive

The reason why it fails in america is because nothing approaches the type of corporate welfare that exists today what is given to the proloteriat is scant more then chick feed

[Celtic Rogue]

Yeah-because saying something doesn't look good makes it look worse?::)

I'm sure there is a board for Paul cheerleaders. I think here - we should just tell the truth.

And what truth is that... The so called truth that you can tell who will win before the vote? Definetly just like MSM does! The truth is that Dr. Paul is the best candidate and there are none others even close. The truth is if more people would start talking up the good points and ignore the MSM bandwagon approach to the candidates Dr. Pauls message would not seem so impossible.

So go ahead and say the man cant be elected instead of trying to make sure people know how important it is that we elect Dr. Paul. I think its called apathy when people dont even try to get the best of the best elected. Just my 1.5 cents adjusted for inflation.

[Golden]

And if the Military Industrial Corporation is too big to fail?

[undgrd]

I can't find the original post I made but, if RP wins, he'll be the most lame duck President ever!

Neither side will work with him. Nothing will get done unless he uses Executive Orders (which he won't). He'll be made a laughing stock and anyone with his mindset will NEVER be taken seriously ever again.

Based on that, TPTB may just put him in office to make everyone like him into "terrorists".

Ron Paul, the "Economic Terrorist".
Ron Paul, the only President to negotiate with state sponsored "terrorists".

And the list goes on.


Edit: Here's the post.
Linky (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40732-The-Smearing-of-Ron-Paul&p=342906&viewfull=1#post342906)

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

And what truth is that... The so called truth that you can tell who will win before the vote? Definetly just like MSM does! The truth is that Dr. Paul is the best candidate and there are none others even close. The truth is if more people would start talking up the good points and ignore the MSM bandwagon approach to the candidates Dr. Pauls message would not seem so impossible.

So go ahead and say the man cant be elected instead of trying to make sure people know how important it is that we elect Dr. Paul. I think its called apathy when people dont even try to get the best of the best elected. Just my 1.5 cents adjusted for inflation.


The TRUTH is that the MSM will not tell you that TPTB will not ALLOW RP to have the power of the Presidency (which amounts to puppetry).
I don't happen to believe that Dr. Paul is or would be a tool of TPTB. (I like the guy - really)
So yeah- he won't win. And it's a shame to see good people spend time, effort and treasure on an enterprise fully owned by TPTB. :'(

Further I resent your notion that its apathetic on the basis that the political process is broken.
We should probably agree to disagree.

[Neuro]

It pains me to "Thank" you undgrd, but unfortunately you are right!

[undgrd]

I'm sorry it pains you. ???

[Neuro]

I'm sorry it pains you. ???

RP is hope for many, and he is a good guy IMO, but the entire system is totally corrupt, so there is no hope even if a good guy gets elected, it will only make good guys, look bad...

[DMac]

So long as Diebold is counting our "votes" I don't think we will have any say in whomever is (s)elected next.

[Golden]

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

So long as Diebold is counting our "votes" I don't think we will have any say in whomever is (s)elected next.


holy moly.. thats what I have been saying- TPTB wont let it happen. One way or another.

mehh

[jimswift]

Nothing will get done unless he uses Executive Orders (which he won't).

I recall recently him saying that he wouldn't legislate from that office, but I think he did say he would undo a number of prior executive orders as well.

So that begs the question of what would the effects be if previous executive orders were rescinded?

Also, doesn't each new President have to sign the 'Emergency Powers'? What if they didn't?

[Ash_Williams]

He won't win.

If he does win, the economy as we know it is still toast.

It would take decades of proper leadership to undo the damage. Not 4 years.

[Cebu_4_2]

Don't underestimate the man, I am sure he has something up his sleeve if he did happen to get elected.

[Neuro]

Don't underestimate the man, I am sure he has something up his sleeve if he did happen to get elected.

He can bend congress critters minds?

[gunDriller]

He can bend congress critters minds?

i think RP would have a few critters supporting him, except for the controversial stuff, such as cutting off $ to IsraHell.

he would also have many millions of Americans supporting him, and people around the world.

if he did manage to get elected, i think the other critters would try to come up with a BS reason to start impeachment proceedings pronto.


obviously, a lot of if's.

the first thing he has to do is win the nomination. that is a contest against Ziomedia & media darlings such as Romney.

if he doesn't get the Repub. nomination & goes 3rd party, then it's more of the same. i don't think he would win 3rd party, too many sheep voting Dem & Repub.

[Cebu_4_2]

There is no way he can win a 3rd party, electoral college can only vote rep/dem. He can have 99.9% of the popular vote but zero electoral votes, 3rd party is a waste.