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Horn
3rd November 2011, 04:02 PM
4 Nov, 2011, 03.00AM IST, Reuters
George Papandreou backs away from referendum on Greece debt bailout


ATHENS | CANNES: Greece's teetering government backed away from a proposed referendum on staying in the euro on Thursday, while European leaders talked for the first time of a possible Greek exit to preserve the single currency.

Fast-moving events in Athens overshadowed the first day of a summit of the Group of 20 major economies on the French Riviera, with world leaders anxiously urging Europe to take decisive action to halt its sovereign debt crisis.

Beleaguered Prime Minister George Papandreou (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/search.cms?query=George%20Papandreou) said after an emergency meeting of his Socialist cabinet that his call this week for a referendum, which sparked panic on global financial markets, "was never a purpose in itself," and he would be happy if the vote were not held. Papandreou said he had agreed to talks with the center-right opposition on a transitional government to implement a new EU/IMF bailout program.

Early elections would follow. At a torrid meeting in Cannes on Wednesday night, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned Papandreou that Athens would not receive a cent more in aid until it met its commitments to the euro zone. Greece was due to get a vital 8 billion euros installment this month and says it will run out of money in mid-December if it does not get the loan.

Political turmoil in Greece and uncertainty over the euro zone sent stocks and commodity prices tumbling in Asia, and fueled a rush into safe-haven German bonds. But markets rallied in feverish trading as the likelihood grew that Greece would not hold the highly risky referendum. The leaders of China, Russia and the United States pressed the Europeans to move swiftly to contain the debt crisis, with the United States urging Germany to relent and let the ECB play a greater role in financial firefighting, G20 (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/search.cms?query=G20) sources said.

"Europe should aid itself. The European Union has everything for that today -- the political authority, the financial resources and the backing of many countries," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/search.cms?query=Dmitry%20Medvedev) said.

A senior G20 official said the group was assessing the cost of a possible Greek default and looking at the implications if Athens were to leave the currency bloc. VENIZELOS REBELS Earlier, Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos broke ranks with Papandreou, saying Greece's euro membership was a historic achievement and "cannot depend on a referendum."

Dissident lawmakers in the ruling PASOK party spoke out against a referendum and called for a national unity government or early elections, casting doubt on whether Papandreou would survive the week in office. Some suggested former ECB vice-president Lucas Papademos should head such an administration.

Signaling a will to compromise, opposition leader Antonis Samaras called for a transitional government to lead Greece to early elections and said parliament should first ratify last week's 130 billion euro ($178 billion) bailout deal.

European Union leaders have long called for national unity in Greece in support of painful austerity measures needed to cut the country's crippling debt, expected to reach 160 percent of gross domestic product this year. "We hope now that we may get the political consensus in Greece that has been lacking all along," an EU official said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/george-papandreou-backs-away-from-referendum-on-greece-debt-bailout/articleshow/10600123.cms

Neuro
3rd November 2011, 04:30 PM
I get this feeling that Papandreous call for a referendum was a plot to stir up shit, get Germany to fall in line behind greater ECB power, and let shorters of Greek debt earn a bucketload of money from the rise in greek interest rates from 150% to 250% in a couple of days. Further now a previous vice President of ECB is suggested to lead the country...

Horn
3rd November 2011, 04:43 PM
The Power of the Darkside is great with this one.

Horn
3rd November 2011, 06:33 PM
Royal Guards present at the Funeral Procession

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/111103-sarkozy-g20-hmed-510a.grid-7x2.jpg

ATHENS, Greece (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1=ATHENS,%20Greece&sty=h&form=msdate) — Greece's prime minister on Thursday abandoned his explosive plan to put a European rescue deal to popular vote, amid reports he has struck a deal with ministers to step down and hand power to a negotiated coalition government if they help him win a confidence vote on Friday.

Government sources with knowledge of a cabinet meeting told Reuters the ministers involved in the deal were led by Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos.

"He was told that he must leave calmly in order to save his party," one source told Reuters on condition of anonymity. "He agreed to step down. It was very civilized, with no acrimony."

The report could not immediately be verified.

Passionate squabbling in Athens left the country's solvency in doubt and the eurozone in turmoil.
Papandreou reversed course over the referendum after a rebellion within his own Socialist party.

Meanwhile, Greece's cost of borrowing ballooned, with the interest demanded by markets to buy Greek 10-year bonds exceeding 31 percent — compared to 2 percent for European powerhouse Germany.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45144746/ns/world_news-europe/#.TrMyenJ1GfU

Horn
9th November 2011, 11:44 AM
The nobles are squabbling over entitlements

Greek powersharing talks to enter 4th day



ATHENS, Greece — Greece's critical power-sharing talks have hit a significant hurdle, with political leaders leaving a top-level meeting that had been expected to conclude three days of negotiations without naming a new prime minister to take over from George Papandreou.

The president's office said Wednesday the meeting would re-convene on Thursday morning. It gave no reason. Earlier, Giorgos Karatzaferis, the head of a small right-wing party, had stormed out of the meeting, accusing the heads of the two main parties of using "trickery" but not giving any details.

The breakdown in talks came less than hour after Papandreou said the country's two main parties had reached an agreement to form an interim coalition government to secure a new €130 billion ($177 billion) debt deal and keep the country in the euro.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greece's two main parties reached an agreement to form an interim coalition government to secure a new €130 billion ($177 billion) debt deal and keep the country in the euro, the outgoing prime minister said Wednesday.

A result had initially been expected Monday night from power-sharing negotiations between Premier George Papandreou's Socialists and the opposition conservatives led by Antonis Samaras.

But the talks dragged on for three days despite intense European and domestic pressure for a quick end to the political crisis that has endangered Greece's continued bailout funding and position in the euro.

"Today the main political forces are joining together, to guarantee to Greece's citizens that in the following months we will do whatever is necessary not only to secure the country's position in the euro and implement the (debt deal) decisions ... but also to make use of its great benefits," ...http://www.ajc.com/business/greek-powersharing-talks-to-1220903.html

keehah
9th November 2011, 01:54 PM
Basically then: "Today the main political forces are joining together, to guarantee to Greece's citizens that in the following months we will do whatever is necessary [for taxpayer and citizen bailing out the banks that caused this mess]... but also to make use of its great benefits [for main political forces]"

Horn
9th November 2011, 03:59 PM
Yes, the benefits of complete degradation, I guess.

Horn
11th November 2011, 06:26 AM
Oil above $98 as Greece, Italy change leaders

(AP) Oil prices hovered around $98 a barrel Friday, near their highest level since late July, amid hopes that political leadership changes this week in Greece and Italy will help Europe contain its debt crisis.

By early afternoon in Europe, benchmark crude for December delivery was up 23 cents at $98.01 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Earlier in the session, it rose as high as $98.53. On Thursday, the contract gained $2.04 to settle at $97.78 in New York on Thursday.

Greece and Italy have turned to economists to lead them out of their debt crises. Greece chose Lucas Papademos as prime minister. In Italy, Mario Monti received increasing support to replace outgoing Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57322944/oil-above-$98-as-greece-italy-change-leaders/

jimswift
11th November 2011, 08:01 AM
hopes that political leadership changes this week in Greece and Italy will help Europe contain its debt crisis.

pfffff, as if.

They're gonna need more than that.

osoab
11th November 2011, 08:09 AM
Issue with the thread title. When was the last time Greece was a true democracy? Couldn't it be considered Socialist for the past 50-60 years minimum?

palani
11th November 2011, 08:12 AM
As I understand it the referendum was to put a question to the voters as to whether to acknowledge (and honor) a debt that they may or may not have signed onto when it was first incurred.

The concept that debtors may turn their back on a PRESUMED debt is no doubt a bankers worst nightmare.

Take the U.S. for example. The official debt is 14 Trillion of something called a dollar. Nobody is willing to come up with a definition for what a dollar actually is but have no problem understanding that 14 Trillion of them are an imposing number. This might actually be the number of angels that can dance on a pin.

On the other hand the unofficial debt is said to hang closer to 200 Trillions of the same undefined dollars. Nobody, it seems, authorized these additional 184 Trillions but we are supposed to feel obligated to pay the interest on them anyway? I seriously doubt it. I have no objection to others going into debt just as I have no objection to them repaying their debt.

Limbaugh had one of Obama's speeches during his candidate period. Obama was talking about his 750 Billion (undefined) dollars bailout but said that he, as president, would see that the cost to the taxpayer would be zero.

I'd like to see a referendum on that one.

Neuro
11th November 2011, 08:19 AM
Issue with the thread title. When was the last time Greece was a true democracy? Couldn't it be considered Socialist for the past 50-60 years minimum?

Back at the Greek City States Era maybe? Did it end 300 BC? Questionable perhaps even if the world saw any democracy after that. Representative democracy is not really a democracy at all as S:t Ghadaffi pointed out in his green book...

Horn
11th November 2011, 12:41 PM
Issue with the thread title. When was the last time Greece was a true democracy? Couldn't it be considered Socialist for the past 50-60 years minimum?

Thought it was ironic how war is made around the planet to instill it, then when someone tries to use it.

Those same forces oust them.

I guess, the "European" leaders are smarter than Khadaffi?

Its Parliamentary, Watson.