PATERNO's been FIRED--By Board of Trustees

[beefsteak]

Penn State Pres is gone, also.

Joe Doesn't get to "retire at end of season"... The Trustees have done the right thing. The liability of the University is off the charts, and the lawsuits will be devastating financially.

And the 20 or so young boys at least from 2002 forward, are finally getting a voice.

Young male innocents SHOULD take precedence over football.
Any day. Everyday! ALL DAY!

[Buddha]

Might be good to take Nebraska this Saturday.

[Down1]

Might be good to take Nebraska this Saturday.
Talk about wierdness.

Nebraska knows how to cover for their sickos, Penn needs to learn a thing or 2.

[Twisted Titan]

Lucky his @$$ aint going down as a acessory to pedophilla.

Heard the cheif of police was was losing complaints against the guy

[Canadian-guerilla]

ole Joe Pa is gonna go home

sit in his rocking chair

and mutter to himself

MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING, YEARS AGO, WHEN I HEARD THOSE RUMOURS


when people remember Joe Paterno
they're gonna remember HE WAS FIRED IN A CHILD ABUSE SCANDEL

[sirgonzo420]

Maybe the dude shouldn't have let his assistant coach buddy rape little boys in the shower.

[mamboni]

Leadership is taking responsibility for the crimes and misdemeanors of your subordinates when it is fair and reasonable to have expected you to know what they were doing. And as the boss, you are ultimately responsible for the conduct and performance of the organization. Paterno got what he deserved and is likely deserving of even more punitive actions.

Now, let's hope that Obama is held to similar standard when it is determined that Holder committed perjury and is an accessory to murder of hundreds, perhaps even thousands of innocents because of the reprehensible actions of operation "fast & furious."

[Dogman]

Well said , Doc!

[sunshine05]

What a scandal. I wonder what finally broke this story. Why did it take years for the truth to come out?

The university was more worried about their reputation than protecting these kids. They have no excuse for not reporting this to police. No conscience.

[osoab]

Are they going to change the name from "Happy Valley" to "Pedo Valley"?

[horseshoe3]

Back when it was first discovered, anyone from the GA witness to JoePa on up could have blown the whistle, said "We run a squeaky clean university here and we are rooting out the evil," and looked like heros. No bad reflection on Penn State because they brought the guy to justice immediatly. Instead, they were afraid they would be tainted by association and they covered it up. Now look how tainted they are.

[Golden]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vXHxbCgg3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vXHxbCgg3o
Uploaded by RussiaToday on Nov 10, 2011
Courtesy Derek Himes http://www.youtube.com/derekhimes

Police in riot gear have confronted hundreds of Penn State students who took to the streets after the ouster of football coach Joe Paterno. Crowds toppled a television news van. The students flooded downtown State College after Paterno and university President Graham Spanier were fired amid a growing furor linked to their handling of sex abuse allegations against former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

[JDRock]

EVERYONE involved in this should do time....even the @sshole ex da who REFUSED to press charges...i dont give flying FVK about football or sports! these are real kids screwed up for life from a sicko who was ENABLED by silence!

[Golden]

EVERYONE involved in this should do time....even the @sshole ex da who REFUSED to press charges...i dont give flying FVK about football or sports! these are real kids screwed up for life from a sicko who was ENABLED by silence!

Attorney Ray Gricar has been "missing" since 2005.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html

[osoab]

May even go deeper. No pun intended. Looks like another Franklin cover up.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-10407023

[k-os]

This whole story has had me completely depressed for days. One famous phrase keeps ringing in my ears, over and over:

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing."

My heart breaks for those children, and my heart seethes for all of those links in the chain that did nothing.

[osoab]

Ped State

[Old Herb Lady]

How could Sanduskey's wife not have known ? The kids also had spent alot of time at their home.

Grand Jury Findings in Link: (WARNING VERY DISTURBING ) PDF

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/11/08/indictment-against-coach-jerry-sandusky

[Old Herb Lady]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vXHxbCgg3o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vXHxbCgg3o
Uploaded by RussiaToday on Nov 10, 2011
Courtesy Derek Himes http://www.youtube.com/derekhimes

Police in riot gear have confronted hundreds of Penn State students who took to the streets after the ouster of football coach Joe Paterno. Crowds toppled a television news van. The students flooded downtown State College after Paterno and university President Graham Spanier were fired amid a growing furor linked to their handling of sex abuse allegations against former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.


That is completely disgusting !! Those ignorant college kids standing up for Coach Joe Paterno because he's "the greatest coach ever".
Brainwashed by football & clueless of who they are supporting (joe pa) and what they are fighing for. What an outrage.
So basically they don't know that they are supporting pedophilia .

[sunshine05]

That is completely disgusting !! Those ignorant college kids standing up for Coach Joe Paterno because he's "the greatest coach ever".
Brainwashed by football & clueless of who they are supporting (joe pa) and what they are fighing for. What an outrage.
So basically they don't know that they are supporting pedophilia .

I agree. I was telling my husband that THIS is our future. WTF is wrong with these kids?! Morons!

[sirgonzo420]

A few days after I get around to ordering a copy of the book "The Franklin Cover-Up", all this comes out.

For every time shit like this goes public, think of all the countless times it is covered up successfully, forever.

[LuckyStrike]

What a scandal. I wonder what finally broke this story. Why did it take years for the truth to come out?

The university was more worried about their reputation than protecting these kids. They have no excuse for not reporting this to police. No conscience.

Kinda odd that it comes on the heels of him finally becoming the winningest coach in Div 1 history.

As said earlier, he will be remembered as someone who put football above kids lives. And frankly I don't see what he had to lose by blowing the whistle on this guy years ago when it happened, sure it would taint the reputation of the University, but it wouldn't taint his legacy since he was purging a scumbag from the University. Paterno may have skeletons in the closet himself.

[Twisted Titan]

DING DING DING!!!

LS I would wager three Mercury Dimes you are spot on.


The most henious crimes imaginable are those commited against kids and for anybody to turn a blind eye to it has got to be neck deep is morass themselves

[gunDriller]

some of the descriptions are pretty graphic. like something straight out of a NAMBLA meeting.

doesn't take that much courage to be a whistle-blower. Jeez, the assistant coaches & players must have been attached to their positions with the "Great Penn State" - they didn't have the guts to pick up the phone & make one phone call - even an anonymous phone call.

why were they so afraid to blow the whistle on Sandusky ?

[osoab]

How could Sanduskey's wife not have known ? The kids also had spent alot of time at their home.

Grand Jury Findings in Link: (WARNING VERY DISTURBING ) PDF

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/11/08/indictment-against-coach-jerry-sandusky

The grand jury read is worth it. Very sick.

[DMac]

Good lord that pdf is disturbing. I know I'm not quite like other people in this world but how in the name of XYZ could someone see something like Victim 2, who looked 10 years old, getting raped, and not 1. beat the ever loving shit out of Sandusky, or 2. not even call the police?!? Yeah, report it to the head coach so it can be swept under the rug.

Shit like this makes me really angry.

This is the sort of response one could expect from me if I ever walked in on something so atrocious.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CtLWb4wPQ

[Old Herb Lady]

This is only the beginning of this investigation.

He was not only giving these children lavish gifts, traveling with them, taking them into his home,
taking them to games, etc, he was doing this to kids who were in a horrible situation already in their home life.
One parent or no parent, possibly already abused, no money, poor as could be...........

then has the arrogance to do these evil acts where he could easily be caught.

Further, it is speculation that his victims were mostly african american children.

He believed he had a power above & beyond getting in trouble.

God help these victims. They just wanted/ needed love and someone to look out for them.
And instead they got this evilness.

[osoab]

So what is the over/under on Sandusky getting wacked/heart attack/jacuzzi accident before the investigation gets a full head of steam?

[jimswift]

okay, didnt read the grand jury .pdf, but a couple of quotes from it on that sites page and I have a more of a WTF feeling.

How, even if your the janitor, see a very young boy engaged in sexual/explicit acts with one of the staff or coaches and not say or do anything?

Com'on man!

This is edging on ridiculous.

[sirgonzo420]

okay, didnt read the grand jury .pdf, but a couple of quotes from it on that sites page and I have a more of a WTF feeling.

How, even if your the janitor, see a very young boy engaged in sexual/explicit acts with one of the staff or coaches and not say or do anything?

Com'on man!

This is edging on ridiculous.

the janitor's name was Jim too!

He now suffers from dementia, lives in a nursing home, and is incompetent to testify.

He said he had been in Korea and seen guts blown out and dismembered people, but was a lot more shook up when he saw Sandusky fuckin' around with that little boy.

He and other employees were new at the time, and feared they'd lose their jobs if they spoke up.

Maybe I'm just a weirdo, but I wouldn't necessarily want to work in a place where little boys are routinely raped and molested.

[sirgonzo420]

Jerry Sandusky's "Second Mile" foundation (where he found his victims) was given a Presidential Award by George Bush Sr in the early 90's!

I wonder what percentage of "foundations for troubled children" are actually fronts for child-brothels for pedophile elites....


And to think that Penn State is to be playing Nebraska of all places tomorrow.


Deep, dark shades of Boys' Town and Lawrence King...

[Santa]

Sometimes I wonder how many people aren't actually human at all.

http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/jackconrad/file-36.jpg

[midnight rambler]

Lots of influential gay old perverts in the Keystone state, no wonder there's a missing DA whose laptop was found missing the hard drive after he failed to prosecute despite glaring evidence and his supposed reputation for prosecution of ALL crimes with the same amount of vigor. Yeah, my money is on Sandusky getting tired of living and waking up dead soon, and of course that's where it will all stop. Like with LHO.

[sirgonzo420]

Lots of influential gay old perverts in the Keystone state, no wonder there's a missing DA whose laptop was found missing the hard drive after he failed to prosecute despite glaring evidence and his supposed reputation for prosecution of ALL crimes with the same amount of vigor.

Just another day in Babylon!

[osoab]

This is vid that comes to mind.

nsfw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hussULBctJM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hussULBctJM

[midnight rambler]

A laptop of a missing prosecutor found missing the hard drive is telling enough for any reasonable man or woman to conclude that the man had some info someone else didn't want him sharing/acting upon. When investigative journalist Danny Casolaro 'committed suicide' the journal/notebook he carried everywhere he went (before the laptop era) was not found in his hotel room.

There are DEFINITELY some VIP heavy hitters involved, very likely involving high govt officials.

[DMac]

A laptop of a missing prosecutor found missing the hard drive is telling enough for any reasonable man or woman to conclude that the man had some info someone else didn't want him sharing/acting upon. When investigative journalist Danny Casolaro 'committed suicide' the journal/notebook he carried everywhere he went (before the laptop era) was not found in his hotel room.

There are DEFINITELY some VIP heavy hitters involved, very likely involving high govt officials.


Not surprised!


Jerry Sandusky's "Second Mile" foundation (where he found his victims) was given a Presidential Award by George Bush Sr in the early 90's!

I wonder what percentage of "foundations for troubled children" are actually fronts for child-brothels for pedophile elites....


And to think that Penn State is to be playing Nebraska of all places tomorrow.


Deep, dark shades of Boys' Town and Lawrence King...

[Libertytree]

Two words.....

Castration

Decapitation

[Bigjon]

Just listened to McCanney and he asks the question what are "they" pulling off while everybody watches the "Joe pa show"?

[LuckyStrike]

I heard a Pole say once that if a polish last name ends in an "i" than they are White, if it ends in a "y" they are jewish immigrants to poland.

Any truth to that?

Edit to add that it has held accurate for the people I know.

[midnight rambler]

I heard a Pole say once that if a polish last name ends in an "i" than they are White, if it ends in a "y" they are jewish immigrants to poland.

Any truth to that?

Edit to add that it has held accurate for the people I know.

A Russian woman I know advised me that names that end in '-sky' or '-ski' are generally Jewish.

[MNeagle]

You know why Polish names end in 'ski'?















They don't know how to spell toboggan!! :p



(admit it, it was the perfect set-up!)

[beefsteak]

Sometimes I wonder how many people aren't actually human at all.

Santa, that is disgusting. I can't even look at that mugshot without seeing some precious child's johnson in that pervert's mouth.

Was there a reason you posted that vile pin-up? arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

The other image that is stuck in my mind is the absolute HORROR on Paterno's wife's face as she shrank into Joe's shoulder when he so magnanimously greeted the students and paternally told them to go home and back to their studies.

His pension is gone.
His campus housing is gone.
His reputation is gone.


Her financial security is gone.
Her physical housing is gone
Her husband is a shame to her and has performed the ultimate betrayal in her Catholic faith system.
Her youth is gone.

Imagine being a betrayed Catholic Female in her 80+ year old shoes and it ALL BEING GONE. And for what? FOOTBALL?

If she and Joe's son(s?) have any balls, they should be putting a roof over Momma's head right now, and get her out of that house and his orbit before someone slits his throat and then hers, too simply because she was an eyewitness to his murder.

[Old Herb Lady]

I can't believe Sandusky's even out on bail until his hearing on Dec 7 while the world makes it a JoePa show.
Why do they keep idolizing JoePa so bad ? It's like they're obsessed with him no matter what he did or didn't do.
Like a trance like state. I have never ever watched a football game in my entire life & cannot fathom this idiocracy of people following him so faithfully.
He's just a person for God's sake. I had no idea that football could be this powerful. The whole football thing must be designed & run by the illimunati.

[midnight rambler]

I can't believe Sandusky's even out on bailI cannot believe they set his bail at only $100,000 for this serial predator. Still another indicator that there are some very influential people deeply involved with this. Relatively low bail = "Let's keep ol' Jim calm and quiet (by being out of jail) while we concoct a scheme where (the perception is) he kills himself."

[osoab]

Anyone want to buy a book?

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321053754&sr=1-2

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZXRXMOp7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

[Destro]

$100,000 unsecured bail...he didn't have to put up a penny.

And I refuse to use the words "sexual abuse" like he was running around punching kids in their crotches.

40 counts of child anal rape, putting his dick in their mouths, sucking on theirs, dick grabbing, etc. A calculating monster in the truest sense of the word.

And these great shapers of men, these great pillars of virtue were well aware of what he was doing, and they enabled him to continue.

[osoab]

$100,000 unsecured bail...he didn't have to put up a penny.

And I refuse to use the words "sexual abuse" like he was running around punching kids in their crotches.

40 counts of child anal rape, putting his dick in their mouths, sucking on theirs, dick grabbing, etc. A calculating monster in the truest sense of the word.

And these great shapers of men, these great pillars of virtue were well aware of what he was doing, and they enabled him to continue.

Dude this is your first post in 18 months. Did you forget your password?

[Uncle Salty]

$100,000 unsecured bail...he didn't have to put up a penny.

And I refuse to use the words "sexual abuse" like he was running around punching kids in their crotches.

40 counts of child anal rape, putting his dick in their mouths, sucking on theirs, dick grabbing, etc. A calculating monster in the truest sense of the word.

And these great shapers of men, these great pillars of virtue were well aware of what he was doing, and they enabled him to continue.

I have a feeling this thing goes much deeper than just Jerry Sandusky. This probably goes as deep as the Franklin case as some have previously mentioned.

Heck, a bunch of guys probably took Joe Pa, sat him down, and told him to shut up if he wanted to live. Pedophilia is the dirty little secret of the ruling elite.

[Destro]

Heheh...I was a lurker on the original GIM since 2004. After the big change over I took a little break. Time to come back.

[Destro]

I have a feeling this thing goes much deeper than just Jerry Sandusky. This probably goes as deep as the Franklin case as some have previously mentioned.

Heck, a bunch of guys probably took Joe Pa, sat him down, and told him to shut up if he wanted to live. Pedophilia is the dirty little secret of the ruling elite.

I have no doubt it goes way deeper. Paterno and GHW Bush are thick as thieves.

[Large Sarge]

Heheh...I was a lurker on the original GIM since 2004. After the big change over I took a little break. Time to come back.

really?

you just read, and never posted.....

hmm.....

[osoab]

really?

you just read, and never posted.....

hmm.....

I have read tickerforum, ZH, and others for years now and have never posted.

I don't find it that odd.

[Old Herb Lady]

I have read tickerforum, ZH, and others for years now and have never posted.

I don't find it that odd.

and I lurked at GIM 1 for a at least a year or two before joining/posting.

[Large Sarge]

well, some sites are not so easy to sign up for, and going off memory ZH was like that...

I can understand lurking for a bit, but a lot of these threads go in all kinds of directions, and cover a variety of topics, and I guess I find it hard to believe that over that time frame (7 years), that all your potential questions/confusions were cleared up and answered.

i.e.
talking about xyx, one poster states " think its like this", another says "no, its like this"

but both parties never provide any supporting evidence for their theories, and then the thread moves onto another topic...

now all you lurkers are left"well, who was correct, and where did they get their info from"?

whereas one simple, polite question might open a whole new world...

see my point, and I am not picking on destro, we have a lot of lurkers on every thread, I have never understood it myself....

the whole benefit of the internet is that you can interact, its not passive learning....

[osoab]

Joe the Enabler has lawyered-up and the coach that caught the pederass in question has been placed on indefinite paid leave.

Paterno hires lawyer, McQueary placed on administrative leave (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/mc-penn-state-trustees-meeting-20111111,0,525558.story)

[Old Herb Lady]

I understand completely what your saying Large Sarge .
Just some people are different in that they don't feel the need to participate in a conversation even if they have valuable input.
Once you actually join & become active, it is easier to want to jump in & participate more often, but being a lurker has it's benefits because then a person can learn some interesting info & then go do their own research on that subject if they feel inspired to.
Information & attachment to a particular forum & the feel of it is what makes people come to it (if they post or not).

[midnight rambler]

$100,000 unsecured bail...he didn't have to put up a penny. Wow. I did not know that. Who the Hell gets out on $100,000 unsecured bail??

Duh. Only those extremely well connected at the very highest levels...it's certainly a lot easier to 'commit suicide' when out of jail than when in jail.

[Destro]

really?

you just read, and never posted.....

hmm.....

No, I would post here and there when I genuinely felt like I had something to add to the discussions. Maybe 30-50 posts total.

I was a big hypertiger fan :-)

[Destro]

I understand completely what your saying Large Sarge .
Just some people are different in that they don't feel the need to participate in a conversation even if they have valuable input.
Once you actually join & become active, it is easier to want to jump in & participate more often, but being a lurker has it's benefits because then a person can learn some interesting info & then go do their own research on that subject if they feel inspired to.
Information & attachment to a particular forum & the feel of it is what makes people come to it (if they post or not).

Exactly, I read a fair amount of forums and information, making active participation difficult sometimes.

[MAGNES]

Deep, dark shades of Boys' Town and Lawrence King...

Paul Bonacci won a $1 million dollar lawsuit where he testified in court,
the judge was sickened, it was impossible for him to make this all up,
what he described in detail, people, etc, Hunter Thompson was named,
among other people. This from a kid who does not know the stature of
these people. Even for myself I had to look up Hunter Thompson and
read some of his material online. Gonzo Journalism, sounds like my kind
of a guy too but people hide their darker side.

Hunter S Thompson was suicided like many others long ago, in a timely manner.

William Colby was suicided for these cases as well, parts of which made the front
page of the Washington Post.

@ This case, it reeks, Paterno issues are a distraction,
this goes way up, DA's going missing and dropped cases,
people were talking to the police and authorities. Who is the
DA's boss ?

This is exactly like Boystown, prey on children that have nobody,
if the degenerate fag was not as blatant, showing off the kids,
he would never have been caught.

WTF are kids doing in University in the first place, in a football change
room, I played football, it ain't a place for kids or women and everyone
knows that.

The entire administration knew at one point past rumors,
every single one of them is responsible, authorities were
involved, yet nothing, this goes right up to the Governors office.

Great Credit to Drudge, first I saw of this case is on Drudge.
Ray Gricar, Original District Attorney in Jerry Sandusky Trial, Went Missing in 2005, Declared Dead - College Football - NESN.com (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/ray-gricar-original-district-attorney-in-jerry-sandusky-trail-went-missing-in-2005-declared-dead.html?rs-img120=0)

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden - College Football - NESN.com (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html)

Bedlam erupts on Penn State campus | Philadelphia Daily News | 11/10/2011 (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20111110_Bedlam_erupts_on_campus.html)

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden - College Football - NESN.com (http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html)

DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005 | NBC Philadelphia (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html)

Ex Penn State Pedophile Coach Jerry Sandusky May Have Sold Young Boys to Rich Donors : (http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/10/ex-penn-state-pedophile-coach-jerry-sandusky-may-have-sold-young-boys-to-rich-donors/)

[Destro]

Paul Bonacci won a $1 million dollar lawsuit where he testified in court,
the judge was sickened, it was impossible for him to make this all up,
what he described in detail, people, etc, Hunter Thompson was named,
among other people. This from a kid who does not know the stature of
these people. Even for myself I had to look up Hunter Thompson and
read some of his material online. Gonzo Journalism, sounds like my kind
of a guy too but people hide their darker side.

Hunter S Thompson was suicided like many others long ago, in a timely manner.

William Colby was suicided for these cases as well, parts of which made the front
page of the Washington Post.

@ This case, it reeks, Paterno issues are a distraction,
this goes way up, DA's going missing and dropped cases,
people were talking to the police and authorities. Who is the
DA's boss ?

This is exactly like Boystown, prey on children that have nobody,
if the degenerate fag was not as blatant, showing off the kids,
he would never have been caught.

WTF are kids doing in University in the first place, in a football change
room, I played football, it ain't a place for kids or women and everyone
knows that.

The entire administration knew at one point past rumors,
every single one of them is responsible, authorities were
involved, yet nothing, this goes right up to the Governors office.

Funny you mention that, PennSt Pres Spanier was also Chancellor at Nebraska-Lincoln

If it has not been posted yet here, this is a good synopsis http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PhotographerTied.htm

[Large Sarge]

No, I would post here and there when I genuinely felt like I had something to add to the discussions. Maybe 30-50 posts total.

I was a big hypertiger fan :-)

Yes I liked HT.

your old enough to remember 3JTribe, we had lots of talks on peak oil, had the mike ruppert fan club on one side (end of the world, peak oil is here), and me and 3JTribe (peak oil is a fraud)

I liked him, he was a tad to religous for me

in the end, he kind of freaked out, said the internet was like something in revelations, asked the mods to delete all his posts, and account.,.. just disappeared.

[MAGNES]

Funny you mention that, PennSt Pres Spanier was also Chancellor at Nebraska-Lincoln

If it has not been posted yet here, this is a good synopsis http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/PhotographerTied.htm

I agree with you that it is a good synopsis.

One of the first few links on google,
I just did a search to get something good.
http://www.google.com/search?q=hunter+thompson+decamp&hl=en&oq=hunter+thompson+decamp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2391l13687l0l14422l31l29l4l7l8l0l250l2984l2 .11.5l18l0

TomFlocco ain't a source or authority on this, I just
went through that, don't see anything wrong with it
but I would hesitate to post that as a source for info.

People can start with John DeCamp and his involvement.
The banned documentary, and related news stories of
past. Then asking questions is key, how is this possible ?

Edit add,
I just read that slowly, people can do their own research,
check the facts, there is a lot of good leads and events
in that overview. If people really want to know how real
this is, start with DeCamp, not just his book, he says a
lot in interviews, online. The rabbit hole is very deep and
dirty.

[Destro]

Yes I liked HT.

your old enough to remember 3JTribe, we had lots of talks on peak oil, had the mike ruppert fan club on one side (end of the world, peak oil is here), and me and 3JTribe (peak oil is a fraud)

I liked him, he was a tad to religous for me

in the end, he kind of freaked out, said the internet was like something in revelations, asked the mods to delete all his posts, and account.,.. just disappeared.

Yeah, I remember Tribe. I so saw many interesting characters go through that website. Not trying to blow smoke but I tended to agree with you most of the time too.

[Destro]

Heres a quick news report on a very similar situation which recently came to light in Hershey, PA.

I still can't figure out how to embed the vid though. Now you know I'm really a lurker ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jQkvEl6XJhQ

[MAGNES]

Heres a quick news report on a very similar situation which recently came to light in Hershey, PA.

I still can't figure out how to embed the vid though. Now you know I'm really a lurker ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jQkvEl6XJhQ

[ video ] [ video ] second video is /video , doesn't show up if I do proper format

[img] /img works the same way, add the square brackets
[url] /url same thing

My button does not work because I use FF 2.0.20 and noscript.

I am a noob like you.;D

We need to get back to basics on here.

Destro, welcome, I miss RMac and AntyEp, how about you ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jQkvEl6XJhQ

[DMac]

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2003/02/06/wtpage1.gif
http://www.yorkblog.com/yorktownsquare/012709-sub-bush-specter.jpg

[DMac]

Missing DA Was Tied To Sandusky Case (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/missing-da-was-tied-to-sandusky-case)

Updated: Friday, 11 Nov 2011, 6:38 AM EST
Published : Thursday, 10 Nov 2011, 5:09 PM EST

The district attorney who didn't prosecute former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky for sex crimes in 1998 went missing in 2005, a fact that is now getting a lot of attention.


Ray Gricar was the long-time district attorney of Centre County, the home of Penn State's main campus. He was months from retirement when he simply vanished on his way home to Bellefonte, Pa.

The mystery surrounding Gricar's disappearance in 2005 was the subject of several national TV shows and an effort involving the FBI and state investigators.

The attorney's car was found in Lewisburg, Pa., about 60 miles east of Bellefonte, about 12 hours after he called home. Several months later, his laptop computer and a destroyed hard drive were found.

But no one found Gricar's body.

Bruce Castor knew Gricar well. Castor is currently a Montgomery County Pa. commissioner and a former county district attorney who worked with Gricar.

"I never saw any evidence from Ray that he was showing any favoritism towards Penn State or the hometown or anything like that. He was a by the book guy," Castor said.

Fox 29 has confirmed the FBI has an open file on Gricar but it’s unknown if the case is still active.

But a missing person's poster for Gricar is still on the FBI Web site, even though Gricar was legally declared dead in July 2011.

So what happened to Gricar?

"I am now leaning towards the conclusion that it was foul play by someone who would have a motive to specifically target him," Castor says.

"If somebody really wants to get a prosecutor , they can. Especially in the country like that," Castor added.

Gricar appears in the grand jury presentment in the Jerry Sandusky sex-crimes case as the DA who didn't prosecute Sandusky after a six-week investigation in 1998 in Center County.

Gricar got the case after a boy's mother complained to police after her son showered with Sandusky.

According to the grand jury presentment, Penn State University police were also involved in the 1998 Sandusky case.

Gricar's office was the only local or state agency contacted about an alleged victim of Sandusky, a long-time Paterno assistant who retired in 1999 but continued to run a charity to help at-risk children.

So why didn't Gricar file charges against Sandusky?

"I would be stunned if it was for any reason other than he simply did not think he had the evidence," Castor said.

Did Gricar know about the new allegations concerning Sandusky that surfaced three years before he disappeared?

Castor admits it raises a lot of questions.

"You don't know if something happened thereafter to get him to look at it again," Castor says.

"I would be very surprised if ultimately he was not discovered somewhere assuming he's not still alive out there laughing at us," Castor adds.

[DMac]

Who got Ray Gricar's files and where are they now?

[Destro]

AntyEp for sure...that was a thoughtful, well reasoned person. Rmac as well. Not to dwell but it's such a shame the old GIM went the way it did. That's where I first cut my teeth on all things esoteric and monetary. I still see some of the old names on the new board they created but once I saw Ponce was here I knew which board was the one to start back up on :-)

[MNeagle]

welcome back, & glad to see you posting instead of lurking!

[DMac]

Second mile Annual report from 2005 PDF - includes list of all donors:

http://www.thesecondmile.org/pdf/AnnualReport2005.pdf



The Angel Society

With this Annual Report, The Second Mile recognizes and thanks the inaugural members of The Angel Society—those individuals, organizations, corporations, and foundations that have made annual contributions to The Second Mile equal to or greater than $2,000 during The Second Mile fiscal year, September 1, 2004, through August 31, 2005. “Years ago, a young man wrote to me thanking The Second Mile for being the ‘wind beneath his wings.’ His letter served as an inspiration in naming our annual giving society ‘The Angel Society,’ our way of recognizing the significance of our donors, who lift children up, show them new horizons, and provide them with the skills they need to soar.”
—Jerry Sandusky


$50,000 and Above donors:

Fox 43 Charities, A Fund of The
Robert F. McCormick Tribune
Foundation
Bruce and Susan Heim
*Eileen Shaub
MBNA
The Schreyer Foundation
Lance and Ellen Shaner
Sovereign Bank
State Farm Insurance
Ric and Sharon Struthers
Verne Willaman
Clyde and Nancy Shuman and
Precision Medical, Inc.
The Louis Silvi Foundation
Jim and Jeanne Swistock
Universal Media, Inc.
Walman Optical
Waste Management


$20,000-49,999
Anonymous
Citigroup Foundation
Ferguson Foundation
Highmark Blue Shield
Bob and Marilyn Mayer
Pepsi Bottling Group-Altoona
Anthony and Noreen Salvaggio and
Computer Aid, Inc.
S & A Custom Built Homes and Bob
and Sandy Poole



$10,000-19,999
Baierl Automotive
Chambers Environmental Group
Dominion Foundation
Frito-Lay
Blake and Linda Gall
The Hall Foundation
The Hamer Foundation
KPMG LLP
Edwin and Lillian Krane
Northwest Savings Bank
PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP
Sheetz, Inc.
Broadcast Cable Media, Inc.
Centre County Community
Foundation, Inc.
Clinton County
Community Foundation
Colonial Oaks Foundation
Community Banks
DeAngelo Brothers, Inc.
Deloitte & Touche
JoAnn DeRose
Dick’s Sporting Goods, Inc.
Educational and Scientific Fund of
the Simon Kramer Institute
Gateway Financial Group, Inc.
Jack Gaughen, Realtor ERA
Global Energy Solutions
Guthy-Renker
John Hancock
David and Lizabeth Hill
The Hershey Company
Matthew and Mary Johnson
Keane Advisors LLC
Dick and Sandy Kile
Kohl Building Products
Dallas and Di Krapf
Seltzer Partners
Shaner Hotel Group
Glenn and Marilyn Smith
Snyder’s of Berlin
Snyder’s of Hanover
Student Book Store
Tastykake
TeaMac Inc.
Matt and Becky Telpher
Three Rivers Marine and Rail Terminals
Turner Construction
U.S. Smokeless Tobacco Brands, Inc.
United Concordia Companies, Inc.
United Parcel Service Foundation, Inc.
United States Steel Corporation
Utz Quality Foods, Inc.
Varischetti & Sons, Inc.
Chuck Wilcox
Williamsport-Lycoming
Community Foundation
World Health Cares Fund

[DMac]

Irony? Sick sense of humor over there in Penn.

Penn State Makes A Banana-Flavored Jerry Sandusky Ice Cream (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/05/penn-state-makes-a-banana-flavored-jerry-sandusky-ice-cream/)

You might not know this, but Penn State is pretty well-known for their ice cream. Yes, the Penn State Creamery makes around 100 different flavors and some of them are named after famous Penn State figures. One of those delicious ice cream flavors is named after former defensive coordinator and current Jerry Sandusky. Yes, that would be the same Jerry Sandusky facing felony charges of sexual abuse against minors. Sandusky Blitz – “a banana flavored ice cream with chocolate covered peanuts and caramel swirl.” Screen cap below. You know, just in case the flavor is discontinued.

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/peanut-banana-300x192.jpg

[Large Sarge]

AntyEp for sure...that was a thoughtful, well reasoned person. Rmac as well. Not to dwell but it's such a shame the old GIM went the way it did. That's where I first cut my teeth on all things esoteric and monetary. I still see some of the old names on the new board they created but once I saw Ponce was here I knew which board was the one to start back up on :-)

that is the truth, I was in shock when they did it, remember it was april fools day...

everyone thought "ha ha"

I was already banned permanently, so I was forced into lurker status...

but all the memories, ideas, thoughts, etc gone overnight...

I was pretty upset about that, I was invited ot the "first GIM get together in Minn", I almost went, all the folks that went got promoted to moderator. (tenn andy for example)

really felt a part of that site..... like a part of me died with that site, as weird as that sounds....

[osoab]

How in the hell could his wife go along with this? She couldn't have been that stupid.

[Old Herb Lady]

Who got Ray Gricar's files and where are they now?

His computer was found at the bottom of the river & his hard drive was missing. There's been many reported sightings of him but never turned out to be him.
Then his brother turned up dead not long after he went missing. They said the brother committed suicide. Huh.

[DMac]

How in the hell could his wife go along with this? She couldn't have been that stupid.

The sheer amount of accessories to these crimes is probably mind boggling. I wouldn't doubt in the slightest that multiple high ranking politicos were abusing this pedo ring.

Good lord it makes me sick to my stomach!

[DMac]

His computer was found at the bottom of the river & his hard drive was missing. There's been many reported sightings of him but never turned out to be him.
Then his brother turned up dead not long after he went missing. They said the brother committed suicide. Huh.

Some further searching returns this article from 2009:
Foul play theory weakened (http://www.centredaily.com/2009/04/15/1228995/foul-play-theory-weakened.html)


What was believed to be the hard drive from his county-issued laptop computer was found in the Susquehanna River six months later, separated from the computer itself, which had earlier been found in the river.

Two FBI labs and Kroll Ontrack, a company that was able to recover data from hard drives on board Space Shuttle Columbia after it was destroyed, all evaluated the hard drive and concluded it was too damaged for data to be recovered.

“This information is very important to the investigation,” Rickard said. “It, in and of itself, focuses on the possibility of walkaway or suicide. However, it certainly does not eliminate the possibility of homicide.”

There have been few, if any, credible leads since the discovery of the hard drive in the Susquehanna.

[DMac]

Gricar connected to some other crime(?):


Lawmaker asks Justice Department Inspector General for independent investigation into Jon Luna and Ray Gricar cases (http://www.yardbird.com/midnight_ride_mark_cohen_letter_12505.htm)

Sex scandal in DC and Maryland threatens Bush Administration and GOP (http://www.yardbird.com/luna_sex_scandal_threatens_bush_GOP.htm)

[osoab]

This will get their attention.

Penn State faces Moody’s rating downgrade (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/penn-state-faces-moodys-rating-downgrade-2011-11-11?link=MW_home_latest_news)




It’s likely that the fallout still has a long way to go, though, as prospective donors and students digest the full extent of the wrongdoings in State College, Pa.; the university also faces possible lawsuits from Sandusky’s alleged victims. Moody’s said Penn State has about $1 billion of rated debt.
“Over the next several months, Moody’s will evaluate the potential scope of reputational and financial risk arising from these events,” the ratings agency said in a statement. “While the full impact of these increased risks will only unfold over a period of years, we will also assess the degree of near- and medium-term risks to determine whether to downgrade the current Aa1 rating.

“We will monitor possible emerging risks emanating from potential lawsuits/settlements, weaker student demand, declines in philanthropic support, changes in state relationship and significant management or governance changes,” according to Moody’s

Also Friday, The Wall Street Journal reported on its online edition that “about a half-dozen” advertisers have pulled ads from ESPN broadcasts. The report cited an unnamed media buyer as saying clients were being advised to move away from those games.

[Large Sarge]

The sheer amount of accessories to these crimes is probably mind boggling. I wouldn't doubt in the slightest that multiple high ranking politicos were abusing this pedo ring.

Good lord it makes me sick to my stomach!

I have had similar thoughts, going on for years, at a university of that size, etc

[beefsteak]

Football announcer (pre-game) let it be known to the general public that PENN STATE FOOTBALL took in $72,000,000 last year alone, $52,000,000 was pure profit.

So THAT's the price of 1 little boy's innocence, eh?

Paterno's son has been on football staff for 17 years? Now on leave of absence?

And what's this big "prayer meeting mid-field" between both teams symbolistic gesture all about?

I am a prayin' man, make no mistake, but I'm not too sure God is listening to a bunch of football players who were "in on it" in one way, shape or form. Small comfort Sandusky wasn't in the huddle leading the public prayer meetin' and holdin' Joe's hand during the mid-field photo-op.

Like someone posted earlier...the obvious and now exposed humans are only the tip of the iceberg...this thing goes so deep and soo wide, that only God knows the depth and extent. And it is obviously Multi-Generational, or else "little Joe" wouldn't be in on it for 17 years...if memory serves, it was going on at least since 1988 according to that sickening .pdf Grand Jury findings document, which would be 23 years ago...and "Joe Jr.," was heir apparent?

No wonder "little Joe' is not taking care of his aged and horrified Mother. He's dirty, also.

[midnight rambler]

Business as usual: out on UNSECURED $100,000 bond, dick-sucking Sandusky goes shopping at Dick's Sporting Goods on Wednesday -

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AhcKcOkcRB_90yRAwbFgH345nYcB?slug=pf-forde_penn_state_weirdest_game_ever111111

The brazen little boy fucker writes an autobiography entitled 'Touched' and goes shopping at Dick's Sporting Goods upon release from jail on an unsecured bond after being accused of diddling little boys. lol I love irony but this is getting surreal.

[DMac]

Paterno has hired GhwBush' personal criminal defense (http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/UPDATE-2-Joe-Paterno-has-retained-famous-criminal/TEQINpa61km4tgzp10SfCg.cspx)

UPDATE:

Scott Paterno, one of Joe's sons, has stated that Paterno now had hired J. Edgewick Sollers as a lawyer.

"My father's desire is for the truth to be uncovered and he will work with his lawyers to that end," said Scott Paterno.


Joe Paterno has only contacted a criminal defense lawyer, reports now state.


Reports indicate that Joe Paterno has hired a criminal defense lawyer, the same lawyer who once represented George H. W. Bush.

J. Edgewick Sollers was reportedly hired by the former coach on Thursday.

[midnight rambler]

Reports indicate that Joe Paterno has hired a criminal defense lawyer, the same lawyer who once represented George H. W. Bush.My, my, I'm utterly shocked. /sarc

[DMac]

Shocked in the same way I'm surprised the SEC can find no wrong doing at Goldman.

*&^% this world is nasty. The older I get the more I believe it is, in fact, owned by the devil.

[midnight rambler]

Shocked in the same way I'm surprised the SEC can find no wrong doing at Goldman.

*&^% this world is nasty. The older I get the more I believe it is, in fact, owned by the devil.

There is a 'contest' underway. It *appears* Satan and his imps are winning, but that is only an appearance. The 'contest' continues.

"It's not a matter of what is true (reality) that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true (reality)." --Heinz Stern aka 'Dr. Kissinger'

Don't fall for the perception trap. We each create and are responsible for our own perceptions.

[MAGNES]

Good posts DMac, good questions, they will never be answered
going by past cases, the unanswered questions will stand as
evidence to cover up, murder and conspiracy, they will have us
believe it is another case of incompetence.

[beefsteak]

Jerry Sandusky and Gary Schultz continue to receive generous Penn State pensions
[/center]
Published: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 7:32 PM
By JAN MURPHY, The Patriot-News (http://connect.pennlive.com/user/jmurphy/index.html)

Former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky (http://www.pennlive.com/jerry-sandusky/) and ousted Vice President Gary Schultz (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_states_curley_schultz_are.html) will likely continue to be very well paid by the university.
Sandusky was indicted last week on 40 counts of child sex abuse charges. Schultz was charged with perjury before the grand jury investigating the Sandusky case, which is also a felony, along with failing to report suspected child abuse.

[center]


http://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/10230386-large.jpgView full size (http://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/-7d42b6b86a09ff8f.jpg)
Photo Credit: JOE HERMITT, The Patriot-News

Gary Schultz enters District Judge William Wenner's court room for his arraignment on perjury charges stemming from the grand jury investigation of former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

When he retired, Sandusky opted to take a lump-sum pension payment of $148,271 from the State Employees’ Retirement System. The rest of his pension is being paid out monthly and is $58,898 annually.

Schultz could be far more richly paid. He elected to receive a $421,847 lump-sum payment at the time of his retirement in 2009, after nearly 39 years of service.

He also receives a monthly pension payment of $27,558 :o:o:o — nearly the cost of tuition for two in-state freshmen at State College. That comes to nearly $331,000 a year.

Schultz had returned to his former post in September on an interim basis while the university conducted a national search for a permanent appointee.

Pension information for former Athletic Director Tim Curley, charged with perjury and failing to report suspected child abuse along with Schultz, was not available because he Curley did not participate in the state pension system.

Ousted President Graham Spanier also was not a member of the state pension system.

The Patriot-News has submitted a request for longtime football coach Joe Paterno’s pension. Information about Paterno’s and Schultz’s pensions is now public information as a result of a five-year court battle launched by The Patriot-News in 2002. That lawsuit, which went all the way to the state Supreme Court, removed a shroud of secrecy that Penn State had demanded for university employees who participated in the pension plan.


-- By Sara Ganim and Jan Murphy, The Patriot-News

[beefsteak]

Not much of a Nebraska football fan, BUT..........

Nebraska spanked PENN STATE on the football field today.


Today, I am a NEBRASKA FAN! >:D


beefsetak

[solid]

A Russian woman I know advised me that names that end in '-sky' or '-ski' are generally Jewish.

My last name ends in 'ski' and I don't have any Jewish ancestry. To my knowledge, it refer's to familiy origin, much like 'son of', Johnson, Clarkson, etc.

[osoab]

Not much of a Nebraska football fan, BUT..........

Nebraska spanked PENN STATE on the football field today.


Today, I am a NEBRASKA FAN! >:D


beefsetak

Either way you go your still pulling for PedoU.

Not talking smack to you beef, just pointing out what was pointed out in previous posts.

[osoab]

Highlighted quotes from the game commentary.

After week's turmoil Penn State finally plays (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1113-penn-state--20111113,0,2775398.story)




The way the game ended, perhaps symbolically, was chaotic.

"I think you saw a lot of character, a lot of resolve, by this team," he said. "I liked the way they stuck together … we fought hard."

He then turned his attention to the alleged victims in the child sex-abuse scandal that has rocked Penn State's program.

"We grieve for the victims," Bradley said. "We feel sad for the families and the children. What went on today was all about them."


When Paterno's firing was announced, there was rioting in the streets. A news van was turned over on the street, and rocks and bottles were thrown.

Since then, cooler heads have prevailed.

Friday night, thousands attended a candlelight vigil for the alleged victims.


On Saturday, fans who typically wear all-white at home games bathed the stadium in a sea of blue to another acknowledgement to the victims of sexual abuse.

There was a moment of silence before the game and an emotional rendition of the school's alma mater before the team's final home game of the season, when Nittany Lions' seniors were honored.





A few players wore blue shirts under their uniforms with letters that read, "Joe knows football." Dozens of former players showed up to give current team members their support.

Shirtless students in the front row had painted their chests light blue with white letters than spelled out, at least partially, "For the kids."

[beefsteak]

Either way you go your still pulling for PedoU.

Not talking smack to you beef, just pointing out what was pointed out in previous posts.

Sounds like smack to me...
there are only 4 things I can do about this stench...
1) pray for the victims
2) let others know how I feel in both real and virtual life
3) check on my neice, a PhD department head at that same university which is now besmerched with this Paterno /Sandusky/Curley/ Schultz deal
4) cheer for Nebraska to administer some whupass on the PennState football miscreants.


beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Ibtl