Four way dead heat in Iowa

[midnight rambler]

Ron Paul and three Zio-cockholsters.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-15/romney-two-way-race-is-now-four-way-republican-dead-heat-in-iowa-caucuses.html

[Neuro]

This is VERY good news!:


There’s good news in the poll for Paul, 76, a Texas congressman who has attracted ardent supporters. Among likely caucus-goers who say their minds are made up, Paul leads with 32 percent, followed by Romney at 25 percent and Gingrich, a former House speaker, at 17 percent.

[midnight rambler]

This is VERY good news!:

The article also states Cain's support is the least solidified while he's leading Ron Paul in the poll by only 1% (with Mittens and the Newt trailing) - and the article further states Ron Paul's support is the most solidified.

[Neuro]

The article also states Cain's support is the least solidified while he's leading Ron Paul in the poll by only 1% (with Mittens and the Newt trailing) - and the article further states Ron Paul's support is the most solidified.

Yes I was going to post the quote where it said that, but I figured after reading the whole article, that the figures were better at describing it (I guess I am a numbers person).

Anyhow what do you folks expect to happen now:
Scores of Falsified polls and a decisive final blow to Paul from Diebold?

[midnight rambler]

Yes I was going to post the quote where it said that, but I figured after reading the whole article, that the figures were better at describing it (I guess I am a numbers person).

Anyhow what do you folks expect to happen now:
Scores of Falsified polls and a decisive final blow to Paul from Diebold?

In 1992 on the night of the primary in NH when I went to bed at 11 PM that night the early results showed Pat Buchanan was kicking GHWB's ass big time, however the next morning GHWB was decisively on top.

We should all be praying that Ron Paul's support is so overwhelming that it would be way too obvious to pull that sort of shenanigans.

[Neuro]

In 1992 on the night of the primary in NH when I went to bed at 11 PM that night the early results showed Pat Buchanan was kicking GHWB's ass big time, however the next morning GHWB was decisively on top.

We should all be praying that Ron Paul's support is so overwhelming that it would be way too obvious to pull that sort of shenanigans.
Did they have republican primaries in '92? GHWB was the sitting president... Or was it in '88?

[midnight rambler]

Did they have republican primaries in '92? GHWB was the sitting president... Or was it in '88?

I'm relatively certain it was '92, since two months later I boosted off Perot's petition efforts. I was not paying such close attention in '88.

[Neuro]

I'm relatively certain it was '92, since two months later I boosted off Perot's petition efforts. I was not paying such close attention in '88.
Ok, I was just thinking since the Democrats are not having primaries due to Obamatron is contending for 2nd term that this always was the case...

[Neuro]

Bump!

[vacuum]

Does anyone else get a feeling that the republican nominees aren't living up to their expectations (from tptb)? We had Perry, he flunked out, Cain, he didn't cut it, and we're left with Romney and Gingrich...I don't see Gingrich making it.

[JohnQPublic]

"
No Exciting Choices

Poll participant Nate Warwick, 34, a machine operator at a packaging factory who lives in Story City, Iowa, is leaning toward Romney, primarily because he thinks he has the best chance of defeating President Barack Obama in 2012. Still, he’s not excited about his choices.


“There’s nobody out there who is really grabbing my attention, wholly,” he said. “I don’t think the Republican Party has a candidate that can beat Obama right now.”



Nate has real problems.

[Cebu_4_2]

Romney is the 'Chosen One' and not real bright either. How in the hell did GWB Jr do this? Oh yes GWB Sr... and the Queen.

[JohnQPublic]

Look at the whole poll. Ron Paul did well.

http://www.businessweek.com/pdf/poll11-15-11.pdf

[Cebu_4_2]

Good poll, but not as good as the Pole I posted ;-]

[midnight rambler]

There's a field of candidates arguing about the best Zio-cocksucking techniques, then there's Ron Paul.

[midnight rambler]

SeeBS Nooz now has the same article on their website, so there's now two mentions on Drudge.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57324938-503544/new-poll-shows-4-way-tie-in-iowa-as-ron-paul-moves-to-top-tier/

[Horn]

When CNN broadcasts it, I'll post here again.

[Horn]

Look at the whole poll. Ron Paul did well.

http://www.businessweek.com/pdf/poll11-15-11.pdf

Bad File unrepairable.

Sorry had to turn CNN off, too much news on some football coach.

[Cebu_4_2]

Opens for me Horn... time to clean things up? lol

[osoab]

I don't really think that Iowa is statistically significant.

[Horn]

I don't really think that Iowa is statistically significant.

When did you start working for CNN?

[osoab]

When did you start working for CNN?


I printed off my credentials just a moment ago.

[Libertytree]

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/15/bloomberg-poll-watch-paul-gingrich/

"Paul moved from 12 percent in the Register’s October poll to 19 percent in Bloomberg’s. The Texas congressman has long been a sleeper in the caucus race, even though his poll results are continually discounted by GOP leaders and media pundits. We keep hearing he has a ceiling on his support, but that ceiling seems to keep rising. Combine this steady rise with one of the most stable campaign organizations in Iowa and you have the ingredients for a caucus upset."

[Sparky]

A Bloomberg news poll shows Cain at 20 percent, Paul at 19 percent, Romney at 18 percent and Gingrich at 17 percent ...

Just an aside on a pet peeve of mine: Derived from horse racing, a dead heat occurs when two or more competitors finish a race such that the resolution of measurement can't determine a winner (or at a particular point in the race, a leader). The term is used specifically to distinguish it from merely a "very close race", which is what the above polling numbers indicate.

OK, back to the discussion...

[osoab]

A Bloomberg news poll shows Cain at 20 percent, Paul at 19 percent, Romney at 18 percent and Gingrich at 17 percent ...

Just an aside on a pet peeve of mine: Derived from horse racing, a dead heat occurs when two or more competitors finish a race such that the resolution of measurement can't determine a winner (or at a particular point in the race, a leader). The term is used specifically to distinguish it from merely a "very close race", which is what the above polling numbers indicate.

OK, back to the discussion...

With the margin of error (guessing 3 or 4 percent) isn't it considered a "statistical dead heat"?

[Libertytree]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8ddr1l9tpjg

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajoO1lfyuVY&feature=related

[Horn]

Saw this following your post Cebu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Lrj9-gHpQsw#!

[Sparky]

With the margin of error (guessing 3 or 4 percent) isn't it considered a "statistical dead heat"?

Yes, that's the phrase they use, but it's a term fabricated from ignorance. A true statistical dead heat would require that the sample scores all matched, which they don't. I know what they mean, i.e. it's so close that it's too tough to call, or too close to call, or "virtually" tied. Those are all accurate descriptions. But the phrase dead heat was coined to take it to the next level, i.e. no measurable difference. When a horse race finish is really close, they sometimes have to rely on a photo finish and examine one frame at a time to determine which horse's nose touched the finish line first. It's determined a "dead heat" when both horses' noses first touch the finish line on the same frame.

Incidentally, the term comes from the notion of running "heats", or multiple races to determine an ultimate winner. If one of the heats ends in a tie, it is considered "dead", and therefore not counted.

[Horn]

Smells like weed in here, not sure where it's coming from. Hang on phone, hit you back later man

Be sure to pass it to Sparky.

don't bogart that thing, Sparky...:cool:

[Sparky]

O0 = o o o 0 0 0

[JDRock]

4 in a dead heat = translated; ron paul is up by double didgets, the zios in pacnic, full psy-ops to deny reality underway....all media puppets in position, BEGIN news broadcast.

[Libertytree]

Ron Paul defeats Gingrich, Cain in latest New Hampshire poll

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/texas/ron-paul-defeats-gingrich-cain-in-latest-new-hampshire-poll/

Texas Congressman Ron Paul, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, defeated former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and pizza magnate Herman Cain in a Bloomberg News New Hampshire poll on Wednesday. Paul garnered 17 percent of the votes to finish in second place. Gingrich earned 11 percent of the votes to grab third place and Cain pulled in 8 percent of the votes for a fourth place finish. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, who typically polls strongly in New Hampshire, took first place with 40 percent of the votes.

Paul’s second place finish in the Bloomberg News New Hampshire poll is indicative of the Texas Congressman’s growing support in a number of early primary and caucus states. On Tuesday, Paul finished in second place in a Bloomberg News poll of Iowa Republican caucusgoers with 19 percent of the votes. Paul finished in a four-way statistical tie with Cain, Gingrich and Romney.

Paul’s second place finish in the latest New Hampshire poll and his statistical tie in the latest Iowa poll is growing evidence that the GOP race is still undecided. In New Hampshire, as in many states, the economy is the most important issue to voters. The economy is a “critical” issue to 78 percent of the likely New Hampshire Republican primary voters.
New Hampshire is an important state for Paul and his fellow GOP candidates, because the Granite State is the first state to hold a presidential primary. A strong finish in the New Hampshire primary would give any presidential campaign a boost going into the rest of the primaries and caucuses.
Selzer & Company surveyed 504 likely New Hampshire Republican primary voters from November 10-12. The Bloomberg News New Hampshire poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.

[Horn]

4 in a dead heat = translated; ron paul is up by double didgets, the zios in pacnic, full psy-ops to deny reality underway....all media puppets in position, BEGIN news broadcast.

I'm still waiting, in between the mega corp. commercials that have absolutely 0 effect on real sales.

Gingrich is the new light at the end of the tunnel.

[Libertytree]

I'm still waiting, in between the mega corp. commercials that have absolutely 0 effect on real sales.

Gingrich is the new light at the end of the tunnel.

Like an oncoming train?

[midnight rambler]

the mega corp. commercials that have absolutely 0 effect on real sales. How else do you expect the nyetworks to stay afloat in this economic condition?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS2_qxWJQkg

[Libertytree]

Pretty good lil vid, sorry no embeddy.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/16/cbs-ignored-ron-paul-at-debate-now-shoves-competitor-to-get-a-shot/

Seems like CBS is having a change of heart (http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/16/cbs-ignored-ron-paul-at-debate-now-shoves-competitor-to-get-a-shot/#) since Saturday’s debate.
Three days ago CBS hosted an hour-long foreign policy debate during which Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul had a mere 90 seconds of air time. Less than a week later, the network is muscling competitors out of the way just to get a camera shot of the Texas congressman.
Bloomberg’s latest poll numbers show Paul in a statistical tie for the lead in Iowa, causing even the not-so-Ron-Paul-friendly CBS to declare that his candidacy has moved into the “top tier.”
Today during Rep. Paul’s appearance at a Cato Institute conference, one CBS cameraman was so determined to get a shot of the GOP candidate (http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/16/cbs-ignored-ron-paul-at-debate-now-shoves-competitor-to-get-a-shot/#) that he shoved Daily Caller videographer Direna Cousins. Paul stopped his interview to tell the CBS reporter to stop behaving so aggressively.

[Bigjon]

"
No Exciting Choices

Poll participant Nate Warwick, 34, a machine operator at a packaging factory who lives in Story City, Iowa, is leaning toward Romney, primarily because he thinks he has the best chance of defeating President Barack Obama in 2012. Still, he’s not excited about his choices.


“There’s nobody out there who is really grabbing my attention, wholly,” he said. “I don’t think the Republican Party has a candidate that can beat Obama right now.”



Nate has real problems.

This is one way "they" generate opinions, "they" probably had to search (ignore) through hundreds of Ron Paul supporters to "find" a Romney man to do their talking for them.