Woman Watches Her House Being Robbed While At Work

[joboo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CSGVDTq9HQ

[Buddha]

Classic lines. "I'm watching my home on line on my monitor, and there's a black man in my house and he's robbing it"

"the cat is freaking out!"

I'm impressed that the police actually showed up, I thought for sure that robbers would just walk out unhindered. The old adage when seconds count police will be there in minutes. The robbers seem to not be so bright, walking around and taking Wii remotes. Jesus you would think they could find something better. Stereotypical black robbers, "Aww man, dey got dat Wii!, Ima snatch dat!"

[solid]

Just thought I'd point out this woman wasn't robbed, she was burglarized. People say robbed all the time when technically it's wrong. To be robbed she physically needed to be there through "force or fear". The black guys were not robbers, they were burglars.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Instead of a cat she should have had an Enzo ready to break bones and draw blood. Then her video would be entertaining instead of pathetic.

[palani]

Just thought I'd point out this woman wasn't robbed, she was burglarized.

Technically, no, unless the sun had set.


BURGLARY, crim. law. The breaking and entering the house of another in the night time, with. intent to commit a felony therein, whether the felony be actually committed or not.



BREAKING. Parting or dividing by force and violence a solid substance, or piercing, penetrating, or bursting through the same.

2. In cases of burglary and house-breaking, the removal, of any part of the house, or of the fastenings provided to secure it, with violence and a felonious intent, is called a breaking.

3. The breaking is actual, as in the above case; or constructive, as when the burglar or house-breaker gains an entry by fraud, conspiracy or threats.

[solid]

Technically, no, unless the sun had set.

That's a new one on me..we were never taught about the night time element of burglary. I did find it depends upon jurisdicition.

"The common law elements of burglary often vary between jurisdictions. The common law definition has been expanded in most jurisdictions, such that the building need not be a dwelling or even a building in the conventional sense, physical breaking is not necessary, the entry does not need to occur at night, and the intent may be to commit any felony or theft"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burglary

[Twisted Titan]

I'm surprised the dawgs were just so passive......

dose she have a son that hung out with those pukes?

[palani]

The common law definition has been expanded in most jurisdictions, such that the building need not be a dwelling or even a building in the conventional sense, physical breaking is not necessary, the entry does not need to occur at night, and the intent may be to commit any felony or theft"

You have to watch out with words moving around as they seem to do. The English of Law is very specific. When you start down the path of flexible definitions you get sucked into a vortex from which there is no survival.

An example of this is the word "climate". At its' inception the Scottish would have you believe that climate was the angle of a suns ray incident on the surface of the earth. Now climate change can be defined to include your mates PMS cycle.

[Dogman]

You have to watch out with words moving around as they seem to do. The English of Law is very specific. When you start down the path of flexible definitions you get sucked into a vortex from which there is no survival.

An example of this is the word "climate". At its' inception the Scottish would have you believe that climate was the angle of a suns ray incident on the surface of the earth. Now climate change can be defined to include your mates PMS cycle. Funny you should say that most of the women in my life would cycle around the time of the full moon. Seems that they were at their most touchy time was at high moon! Truth!

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[Buddha]

I'm surprised the dawgs were just so passive......

dose she have a son that hung out with those pukes?

Good question. Now that you mention it, it seems so. The robbers seem to be highschool age, and with the wii being there I would assume that a highschool age male lives there. Probably had them over once or ran his mouth about what he/his family has. Tyrone and Leroy thought it to be an easy mark.

Just like we say here, don't tell people what you have.

[Ponce]

Shes lucky that "The Dunut Hole" was only half a block away that that the cops were on their two hours break.

[solid]

You have to watch out with words moving around as they seem to do. The English of Law is very specific. When you start down the path of flexible definitions you get sucked into a vortex from which there is no survival..

True, however fortunately common sense goes a long way in how the elements of a crime can interpretted, same with intent. Intent is huge. There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Take the night time rule, it's stupid to think burglary can only be applied during the night time.

Really, it's the lawyers that bend and twist the law and make it confusing, in their attempts to get their guilty client's cases thrown out.

I'm not talking about innocent people. I'm talking about guilty ones, where it's so obvious the guy's a turd and he ends up walking free.

[Spectrism]

Whatta dummm broad. Who cares if your cat is freaked out? When asked where they are, she says near my stereo. Like that even helps.

There should be some significant punishment for such break-ins.... I would say removal of a finger each time they do it. It is a sure-fire way to impose a 10 strikes and your out policy.

[palani]

Really, it's the lawyers that bend and twist the law and make it confusing, in their attempts to get their guilty client's cases thrown out.

As long as you are willing to engage in commerce then you had better get used to it.

Here is how Texas defines the limits of their criminal jurisdiction
http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/1.04.00.html

(d) This state includes the land and water and the air space
above the land and water over which this state has power to define
offenses.

The power to define words belongs with the entity that is sovereign. While you might believe in the U.S. this would be the people you would be completely wrong.

I once had the opportunity to appoint a judge as fiduciary. He kindly informed me that I lacked the authority to appoint him fiduciary. In "this state" I have no doubt he was accurate.

Your actions make you subject to this criminal code. While I believe there is a remedy I also believe the remedy is too complicated for most people to understand. You can start by deciding what bothers you most then figure a way to ease the stress.

For people who intentionally try to damage other people I have no sympathy. The common law used to handle these affairs by assigning treble damages. Under the common law system you could leave the keys in your car because, when caught, the thief would owe you three cars. Under "this state" the only enrichment goes to this state.

[StreetsOfGold]

She was practicing

If you see something, say something

[solid]

For people who intentionally try to damage other people I have no sympathy. The common law used to handle these affairs by assigning treble damages. Under the common law system you could leave the keys in your car because, when caught, the thief would owe you three cars. Under "this state" the only enrichment goes to this state.

Don't you mean under civil law? If a man steals my car, the theft itself is a criminal act, I agree. However I could sue the thief for lost wages for missing work, emotional pain and suffering, punitive damages, etc...that could total the value of 3 cars I should believe. But, that's up to the lawyers.

[palani]

Don't you mean under civil law?

Civil law is the chosen lawform of Mexico, Europe and many other countries. Common law is the chosen lawform of Britain, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand and the U.S.

Civil law in the U.S. is private law and not public law.

The difference between the two:

Common law ... anything not forbidden is lawful
Civil law ... anything permitted is lawful

See the difference?

In the U.S. of A. common law is public law. In the U.S. civil law is the ONLY law.

Here is how John Bouvier describes his law dictionary:


LAW DICTIONARY
ADAPTED TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND OF THE
SEVERAL STATES OF THE AMERICAN UNION

With References to the Civil and Other Systems of Foreign Law

Hope you don't gloss over the classification of "civil" as a "foreign law". It is still foreign if you are in one of the several States. Civil law becomes domestic if you have a single FRN in your pocket. In the end analysis it is your choice which system you are under.

Adask mentioned a case where the judge told the bailiff to empty the pockets of a defendant (seems he had been acting as if he were under common law). A FRN was found and a contempt of court was assigned. They are not stupid you know.

[solid]

Hope you don't gloss over the classification of "civil" as a "foreign law". It is still foreign if you are in one of the several States. Civil law becomes domestic if you have a single FRN in your pocket. In the end analysis it is your choice which system you are under.

Adask mentioned a case where the judge told the bailiff to empty the pockets of a defendant (seems he had been acting as if he were under common law). A FRN was found and a contempt of court was assigned. They are not stupid you know.

I think I understand your point, and see the difference, Palani. Why does having a single FRN in your pocket make civil law domestic? I assume, if that guy had an ounce of silver in his pocket, he could still act under common law?

[palani]

I think I understand your point, and see the difference, Palani. Why does having a single FRN in your pocket make civil law domestic? I assume, if that guy had an ounce of silver in his pocket, he could still act under common law?
The single FRN is only one indicator. Read 12 USC 411 to see who is authorized by congress to hold a FRN.

Others are: Your demeanor. Your responses to "authority". Do you take orders? [ as "take off your hat", "take that toothpick out of your mouth", "remain in your car please"]. Your knowledge and willingness to engage in contracts.

The possession of gold or silver coin certainly helps. Better to have non-domestic coins though. If they were domestic these charlatans would accept them at face value and no more and ask for the remainder to clear the account. Then in the back room they would likely substitute clad coins and keep the valuable ones themselves.

Remember an offer to pay is the payment. If you offer to pay in non-domestic coin and the offer is refused then just walk away. You just cancelled the contract. They want you to pay them in FRNs because then they are justified in charging you civilly. Your crime? To be dealing in FRNs, not some bullshit charge they fabricated.

[solid]

The single FRN is only one indicator. Read 12 USC 411 to see who is authorized by congress to hold a FRN.

Others are: Your demeanor. Your responses to "authority". Do you take orders? [ as "take off your hat", "take that toothpick out of your mouth", "remain in your car please"]. Your knowledge and willingness to engage in contracts..

By responses to "authority" I take it you mean the police.

It's important to remember what is a lawful detention though. If you are detained, legal whether you choose to be under common law, or civil law. FRN's or not...you are detained. Willingness, you have none at that point. Contracts, be it verbal or by behavior, don't matter. It's a detention. The law trumps over it all in those cases.

[palani]

By responses to "authority" I take it you mean the police.
"authority" => implied authority. That means judge, policy man, mayor, county commissioner, president.

There ARE no public authorities that I have been able to find. A public officer has his oath subscribed on the back of his election certificate and has posted a bond. Public officers are also paid in specie and not paper.

How do I know there are no public authorities? Simple. I paid for a legal notice to be published requesting anyone who had these things to contact me. I got not a single response.


It's important to remember what is a lawful detention though. If you are detained, legal whether you choose to be under common law, or civil law. FRN's or not...you are detained. Willingness, you have none at that point. Contracts, be it verbal or by behavior, don't matter. It's a detention. The law trumps over it all in those cases.

Writ of habeus corpus would be the order of the day in the event of an unlawful detention. Not an application for a writ but the writ itself. Magna carta stated that no freeman shall forced to lose his court. Most everyone believe you have to apply for a writ but actually you need to issue the writ yourself. Now as to the writ, it MUST be returned to you. It is private property and the return is what is important. If not returned I am afraid the costs could run into the tens of thousands.

Beyond the writ, contracts still apply while incarcerated. Don't accept services you don't want to pay for ... clothing, blankets, food. Counter-offer all offers. Not to be disagreeable about it as counter-offers might be expressed in terms of things that make it worth your while to engage in contracts.

I am sure you heard of the North Carolina notice that went out to all policy men suggesting they put their property in others names. This is a fraudulent act if YOU did it (hiding assets) however as these actors are not public officers their liability does not stop at their bond. Their liability goes FAR beyond what their bond MIGHT have been.