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Ponce
28th November 2011, 02:27 PM
Meaning?........that the freaking Zionist have now control as they did in Russia........"Obey or die".
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Monday, November 28, 2011

Why Some US Soldiers Will Follow Illegal Orders to Arrest and Shoot Americans.

Listening to Mark Koernke who is part of the leadership in the Michigan Militia, He has a lot of insight about history, especially the Soviet Union in the early days. For the last few years, he has advised all Military personal to get their families off the Military installations around the country and not to give up their weapons on or off post. There is a reason why he said this. We have to look back in history of the Russian revolution and the start of the red terror that swept Russia. I always wondered how could a soldier arrest and shoot innocent people. How could they do wicked things to their own fellow citizens? Here is some hidden history we do not hear today.

When the Bolsheviks took over the Russian Revolution and were the new government in Russia was formed. Vladimir Lenin became the leader of the USSR replacing the Russian Czars. How he started what we call the red terror in the 1920s and 1930s, which was carried out by one of his minions. Anyone heard of Trotsky?. This despot gave the order to his henchmen to detain the family members of Russian soldiers living on military bases. If the soldiers did not follow the orders to go out and arrest and murder as ordered. They would kill a family member or execute the family of the soldier's. This is how they kept soldiers from becoming deserters because they did not want to serve a tyrannical regime under Lenin. So they would hold their family hostage. This is how they were able to get the soldiers to seize the food out of the Ukraine. This is how famines started in other Russian provinces once were the breadbasket of Europe. Millions of people died of starvation and soldiers were ordered mow down unarmed civilians eating acorns in the snow. If they did not obey, the family could be executed. When the government has a gun to a family member's head, soldier will do what ordered to do if they wanted to see their loved ones alive.

Now we fast-forward to today and we are seeing the playbook of the Bolsheviks is being carried out to use again. Why does the Obama White House want Military personal to surrender their firearms off base and on post? It is because if the soldiers are disarmed in their homes on base. Foreign troops or a select group of people could be the ones who will hold the families hostage on base while soldiers are forced to go out and shoot Americans. If the Military is armed with firearms in their own possession to defend themselves. It is impossible for them to try such an act against their families. This is why I recommend soldiers send their families back to their hometowns were they are best protected. Not in town close to the base. I mean back home were their home of record is. To all soldiers, to the marines, do not surrender your firearms under any circumstance and send your families home now.

With this proposed Legislation in the US Senate up for a full vote today. One of the ways they can get the Military to go carry out illegal orders is to detain their families on base and to make sure all Military personal are disarmed on and off base,. I know many in the Military are fed up with the system. This is why we see Ron Paul getting most of the donations from former and active Military. They know something we do not know. They know what is at stake. Not only these illegal wars, but none of them want to be at war with their own fellow citizens. This is why Military personal need to get their families off the base, not live in town close by off post. Nevertheless, back at home protected by the family. If S-1867 is going to be enforced. This is one of the ways they will get soldiers to carry out illegal orders. People who have family in the service need to warn those on active duty so we can avert a full-blown police state takeover. They did this Russia, what makes it anymore different now? They will do it again if it worked in Russia. Do you agree?

http://lonestarwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-some-soldiers-will-follow-illegal.html

mightymanx
28th November 2011, 03:26 PM
Some will some won't

Just like cops

Some support the constitution some support the state.

Support and stand behind the good ones, but if you paint all with a broad brush you just reenforce "us VS them" mindset.

I don't give a shit how much ammo and preps you have you have zero chance against the military, period end of debate. They can see and kill you while you are sleeping inside your house from the air and that is just some un-maned drone flown by a 19 year old kid 500 miles away.

Best to choose sides after the military splinters and the only way to know you are on the right side is to know your local military and law enforcement ignore the bad ones treat the good ones with respect the difference could literaly mean you and your families life when the time comes.

Hatha Sunahara
28th November 2011, 03:32 PM
The government will follow the lead of the Soviet Union in repressive domestic control. What the Soviet Union did was to use soldiers of different nationalities to shoot people. So, when there were demonstrations in the Baltic republics, they sent in Yakuts, or Uzbek troops to shoot at the Latvians or Lithuanians. The US government will likely bring in the Libyans who overthrew Qadaffi or other mercenaries they have employed overseas. The military leadership in the American armed forces would not hesitate to shoot at Americans as long as they believe it is good for their careers. It's the people following the orders that need to be selected carefully for obedience.


Hatha

mrnhtbr2232
28th November 2011, 04:02 PM
The government will follow the lead of the Soviet Union in repressive domestic control. What the Soviet Union did was to use soldiers of different nationalities to shoot people. So, when there were demonstrations in the Baltic republics, they sent in Yakuts, or Uzbek troops to shoot at the Latvians or Lithuanians. The US government will likely bring in the Libyans who overthrew Qadaffi or other mercenaries they have employed overseas. The military leadership in the American armed forces would not hesitate to shoot at Americans as long as they believe it is good for their careers. It's the people following the orders that need to be selected carefully for obedience.Hatha

With all due respect Hatha you've got to be kidding - if any military body, regardless of flag, state, or civilian, started to shoot at domestic targets I'm telling you it means the end of the line. Some will wait it out just to be sure, but others won't. The iron rule on this still applies: the police and military (of any stripe) are only safe as long as a general disregard for human life and law does not settle in. All it will take is a saturation point for police abuse and a couple of actual shootings by officials to light the fuse.

I don't know about you but I'm damn for sure not going to sit around when people are shooting at me. I'm going to shoot back. I don't care if they have all the toys, the resource of willpower is still matched or exceeded. Why do you think they constantly brow-beat everyone into simplistic divisions and keep them weak? Because the ones that wake up and recognize time's up on the hesitation to kill are the last thing they want to deal with and the first thing we need to incubate. That is the Rubicon in this mess.

Tumbleweed
28th November 2011, 04:58 PM
Every one on this forum should read Miron Dolot's book "Execution by Hunger". It is a first hand account of when the shtf in the Ukraine in 1931 and1932. Those people tried to survive by being compliant and it didn't work. It's a good lesson for everyone here to learn. If you think you're going to survive while everyone else is dying you're probably in for a rude awakening. When they come for you don't surrender, die like a man and take a few of them with you. Read this book and prepare.

Book
28th November 2011, 05:45 PM
Those people tried to survive by being compliant and it didn't work.



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Anyone who now steps foot in an airport has surrendered.

General of Darkness
28th November 2011, 05:48 PM
Well I would say with such a diverse military, the blacks and mestizos will have no fucking problem gunning down whitey in the streets, in fact they'd jump at the chance. Just my gut, and common sense.

ximmy
28th November 2011, 05:52 PM
Fixed it...


Well I would say with such a diverse military, the blacks, croatians and mestizos will have no fucking problem gunning down whitey in the streets, in fact they'd jump at the chance. Just my gut, and common sense.

General of Darkness
28th November 2011, 06:05 PM
Fixed it...

You better watch yourself before I put you over my knee young-in.

gunDriller
28th November 2011, 06:31 PM
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Anyone who now steps foot in an airport has surrendered.

when do the TSA trolls wear gloves ?

when they're groping US citizens ?

when they're searching luggage.

just curious ;)

dys
29th November 2011, 11:50 AM
Count me among those that believe that the majority- maybe even the vast majority- of soldiers will fire upon US citizens. I have a question for anyone that believes otherwise:

Is there really a great difference between conning soldiers into killing innocent people in other countries because they are (communists, radicals, crazy, insert your your favorite loaded epithet) and conning soldiers to kill people that happen to live in their home country? I say no. The soldiers will not only fire on US citizens, they will fancy themselves heros for doing so.

dys