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Libertytree
1st December 2011, 10:56 AM
Tuesday, November 29, 2011

The Secret Revolution in North Dakota (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/secret-revolution-in-north-dakota.html)




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Charlene Nelson
Activist Post (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/secret-revolution-in-north-dakota.html)

North Dakota citizens may abolish property taxes, allowing them more control over government spending. Nearly 30,000 signatures were collected to place the people's initiative on the ballot in June, 2012 that would constitutionally abolish all property taxes in North Dakota.

This landmark measure supports property rights, small government and freedom advocates around the country.

If the initiative is successful, North Dakota will be the first state to abolish all property taxes, both state and local, and will provide a model for the other states to do the same. North Dakota may be the first state to kick off the property rights revolution!

Since 1978 the state legislature has amended, altered or "reformed" property tax 134 times.

This tells us that the tax cannot be fixed.



Legislation to abolish property tax was introduced in the 2009 legislative session. The bill was defeated. There was even an attempt to turn the bill into a study to investigate the issue and that even failed.

Since the initiative qualified for the ballot, several city and county groups have come out in opposition to the measure, in direct violation of state law. The hysteria coming from government leaders include threats that this will be the end of public education, fire and police protection will be terminated, and there will be no more roads (remember that roads are funded through the gas tax).

If the measure passes, two very important issues will be addressed in order to pare down the size of government and spending:

1. The initiative mandates that schools and local governments must be "fully and properly funded" before the state can address any other budgeting (like special interests).

2. The measure also states that all "legal obligations" must be funded. Legal obligations are:
A. Statutory -- the things that the state has directed local government to fund.
B. Contractual obligations -- spending that the counties and cities have taken on through contracts like bonds, special construction, etc.After schools, local governments and legal obligations are funded and the real debate begins! Does the city, county or state have the obligation to fund a museum or an art festival? Most people would say 'no'. Does that mean that the local government can't fund museums or art festivals? This is an issue of real self rule and local control. If the people really, truly feel they must have a museum or a new hockey rink, then they can vote themselves a new tax to fund it—a sales tax or user fee or special assessment or whatever. They just can't fund it with property tax.

These two points will spark a whole new level of public discourse on the proper role of government and citizen involvement.

In addition to forcing the state to prioritize spending, it will also compel them to scrutinize current and future spending, especially if they want to avoid increasing taxes.

According to the Beacon Hill Institute study on EmpowerTheTaxpayer.blogspot.com (http://empowerthetaxpayer.blogspot.com/), there is no need to increase taxes to “pay for” the missing property tax revenues. By putting an extra $3000-4000 in each family's pocket, the state will enjoy an increase in sales and income tax revenues. Businesses will invest more heavily in our local economy, while the need for some government employees will vanish. The state's economy will improve without increasing any taxes.

The national mainstream media is not covering this story. The NEA has pledged $4-5 million to fight passage of the measure -- this in a state where a Senate race costs less than $1 million. They clearly see the national impact this measure will generate and want to stop it before any other states get any bright ideas.

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/secret-revolution-in-north-dakota.html

big country
1st December 2011, 11:07 AM
My next house/property might end up being real cold...

EE_
1st December 2011, 12:06 PM
This is rediculas...it just makes too much sense?

chad
1st December 2011, 12:13 PM
north dakota: rocks, barren fields, missile silos, little oil pumps all over, and nothing for 200-300 miles from wherever you live. it's nice for hunting, though.

MNeagle
1st December 2011, 12:17 PM
& don't they have the only honest bank in the U.S.?

chad
1st December 2011, 12:19 PM
yep. and that's why they can eliminate property taxes. don't need them. they use all of the interest off the loans the state bank issues to pay for & run the state. virtually every state could eliminate property taxes if they needed to by following this model.

chad
1st December 2011, 12:28 PM
north dakota is a weird place. when i lived in sd, we'd go up all the time to hunt. this was around 1997 or so. ALL LAND, even it was private land, was by law, open to public hunting unless you posted it. you could go hunt on anyone's property if they failed to put up signs informing you otherwise. not sure if it's still the case, but at the time it was awesome. you could follow ducks and geese around anywhere.

Sparky
1st December 2011, 12:31 PM
So then, where would towns get revenue to run the local government?

chad
1st December 2011, 12:35 PM
the state rebates back sales tax and oil revenue to local municipalities. they used to rebate back a portion of state income tax as well, but not sure if this is still the case.

Gaillo
1st December 2011, 12:48 PM
Wow! Property ownership in America? What a concept... :o

midnight rambler
1st December 2011, 01:45 PM
Wow! Property ownership in America? What a concept... :o

The sad thing is that the vast majority suffer the delusion that they have title to their property when they merely hold an interest in it, e.g. "this is *my* house, I'm buying it."

po boy
1st December 2011, 01:49 PM
The sad thing is that the vast majority suffer the delusion that they have title to their property when they merely hold an interest in it, e.g. "this is *my* house, I'm buying it."


You could keep going with that list..my kid, car, dog ect.

midnight rambler
1st December 2011, 01:53 PM
You could keep going with that list..my kid, car, dog ect.

Of course.

However the illusion must be maintained at all costs, as the ryots will quit being productive otherwise.

palani
1st December 2011, 01:56 PM
You could keep going with that list..my kid, car, dog ect.

Myself? Private ownership of oneself would seem to be a requisite before assuming ownership of anything else.

palani
1st December 2011, 01:57 PM
If you think real long and hard on the topic you might come to the conclusion that the only property that is unalienable is that which is not owned.

People seem to want ownership so they can alien it (for a price).

Wonder if rights fit the same category?

The only ones who can take on the system with impunity are those who have nothing that can be aliened or seized. If you have nothing you have nothing to lose. It is called being "judgment proof".

Horn
1st December 2011, 02:23 PM
Myself? Private ownership of oneself would seem to be a requisite before assuming ownership of anything else.

Even a Zen Hotdog?