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Sparky
1st December 2011, 09:11 PM
I think this is well written. Very good insight on how we have come to view a "job" as a commodity, which is probably why the government is having so much trouble creating them.

The essay has the usual doom overtones, but ends with a better attitude: Stuff is going to happen, things are going to change, so be prepared to roll with it. It's not the end of the world. That's kind of how I view all of our SHTF talk, i.e. not with fear but with awareness, curiosity, and anticipation.

I'll quote the final paragraph:

This holiday season spend a little time musing on what the re-set economy will be like in your part of the country. Think of what you do in it as a "role," or a "vocation," or a "trade," or a "calling," or a "way of life," rather than a "job." Imagine that life will surely go on, even civilized life, though it will be organized differently. Add to this the notion that you are part of a larger group, a society, and that societies evolve emergently according to the circumstances that their time and place presents. Let that imagining be your new American Dream.

http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/11/your-new-american-dream.html

General of Darkness
1st December 2011, 09:30 PM
How the hell does he want me to "imagine" being apart of larger group, when Amerikwans are fucking morons?

osoab
2nd December 2011, 03:55 AM
That last two sentences remind me of communist/socialist propaganda.

Spectrism
2nd December 2011, 04:10 AM
Learn to operate outside the system. Learn to live without buying or selling.

TomD
2nd December 2011, 04:47 AM
It's been obvious that the present world course, with its multiples of trend lines gone parabolic simultaneously, wasn't going to be sustainable. A main question has been whether the discontinuity would occur with a crash or whimper.

Sparky
2nd December 2011, 07:12 AM
How the hell does he want me to "imagine" being apart of larger group, when Amerikwans are fucking morons?

You're a part of this group, right?

Horn
2nd December 2011, 07:52 AM
In North America I believe this re-set will involve the re-establishment of an economy centered on agriculture, with a lot of other activities supporting it, all done on a fine-grained local and regional scale.


After all the investment in a fully mechanized and genetically engineered mega-agribiz that is still going on,

David vs. Goliath "green" fantasies still pervade the "so called" educated.

Sparky
2nd December 2011, 02:04 PM
After all the investment in a fully mechanized and genetically engineered mega-agribiz that is still going on,

David vs. Goliath "green" fantasies still pervade the "so called" educated.

Isn't owning farmland a common thread in this forum? I don't think he's talking about David vs. Goliath. He's saying you won't be able to rely on Goliath to supply your food, because Goliath's mechanized mega-agribiz paradigm is too dependent upon cheap oil.

po boy
2nd December 2011, 02:11 PM
Isn't owning farmland a common thread in this forum? I don't think he's talking about David vs. Goliath. He's saying you won't be able to rely on Goliath to supply your food, because Goliath's mechanized mega-agribiz paradigm is too dependent upon cheap oil.

If one even want's clean non drugged clean food it would be wise to find a local producer or grow/raise your own.

Been reading a book by this guy he seems to be making money despite modern agribiz using simple methods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ugVP_FqS7Y&feature=fvsr

Horn
2nd December 2011, 11:31 PM
Isn't owning farmland a common thread in this forum? I don't think he's talking about David vs. Goliath. He's saying you won't be able to rely on Goliath to supply your food, because Goliath's mechanized mega-agribiz paradigm is too dependent upon cheap oil.

When Goliath's eaten his last form of competitor, he might starve.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE