Mayans never predicted world to end in 2012?

[freespirit]

PALENQUE, Mexico (Reuters) - If you are worried the world will end next year based on the Mayan calendar, relax: the end of time is still far off.

http://news.sympatico.ca/unusualnews/mayans_never_predicted_world_to_end_in_2012/c24e0649



So say Mayan experts who want to dispel any belief that the ancient Mayans predicted a world apocalypse next year.

The Mayan calendar marks the end of a 5,126 year old cycle around December 12, 2012 which should bring the return of Bolon Yokte, a Mayan god associated with war and creation.

Author Jose Arguelles called the date "the ending of time as we know it" in a 1987 book that spawned an army of Mayan theorists, whose speculations on a cataclysmic end abound online. But specialists meeting at this ancient Mayan city in southern Mexico say it merely marks the termination of one period of creation and the beginning of another.

"We have to be clear about this. There is no prophecy for 2012," said Erik Velasquez, an etchings specialist at the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM). "It's a marketing fallacy."

The National Institute of Anthropological History in Mexico has been trying to quell the barrage of forecasters predicting the apocalypse. "The West's messianic thinking has distorted the world view of ancient civilizations like the Mayans," the institute said in a statement.

In the Mayan calendar, the long calendar count begins in 3,114 BC and is divided into roughly 394-year periods called Baktuns. Mayans held the number 13 sacred and the 13th Baktun ends next year.

Sven Gronemeyer, a researcher of Mayan codes from La Trobe University in Australia, who has been trying to decode the calendar, said the so-called end day reflects a transition from one era to the next in which Bolon Yokte returns.

"Because Bolon Yokte was already present at the day of creation ... it just seemed natural for the Mayan that Bolon Yokte will again be present," he said.

Of the approximately 15,000 registered glyphic texts found in different parts of what was then the Mayan empire, only two mention 2012, the Institute said.

"The Maya did not think about humanity, global warming or predict the poles would fuse together," said Alfonso Ladena, a professor from the Complutense University of Madrid. "We project our worries on them."

(Reporting by Pepe Cortes; editing by Anthony Boadle)

[mick silver]

there just saying this to make is all fill better . and so we keep paying all our taxes //// yahoooooooooooooo

[zap]

I went to Cancun and Chichen.Itza in 1993 right after Hurracaine Andrew 1993, first time I had ever been on a plane, I was 25, what a fun experience, thank god I had my dd with me,(dearly departed) the water was like a bath tub and you could see clearly below, we meet a magician from Hungary and his mother, we drank Sangria, paid a taxi driver $100 us dollars and he took us around all day while drinking with us, I wish I could rememberwhere he took us scuba diving.

Yep life is Just a bunch of experiences and the remember-rences of them.

[freespirit]

peru is on my bucket list...

[Gaillo]

peru is on my bucket list...

The only thing on my bucket list is to not HAVE a bucket list...

I'd rather LIVE without spending much time focused on death and how much or little time I have left! ;)

[BrewTech]

I went to Cancun and Chichen.Itza in 1993 right after Hurracaine Andrew 1993, first time I had ever been on a plane, I was 25, what a fun experience, thank god I had my dd with me,(dearly departed) the water was like a bath tub and you could see clearly below, we meet a magician from Hungary and his mother, we drank Sangria, paid a taxi driver $100 us dollars and he took us around all day while drinking with us, I wish I could rememberwhere he took us scuba diving.

Yep life is Just a bunch of experiences and the remember-rences of them.

Cool! I did the same trip in the mid 80's... Amazing place...

[k-os]

peru is on my bucket list...

Peru is awesome, but it was tough for me going from sea level to the Andes. Oh boy. I want to say "stay out of Lima", but I had some cool experiences there. I slept in a convent. I had a baby lamb handed to me by a group of little girls wanting a tip. So cute!

OK, on topic . . . the way I learned about the Mayan Calendar was in Guatemala, and I am guessing it was 2005 or 2006. It was explained, quite frankly, that the calendar ended, just like our 2011 calendar is going to end. Period. We don't think the world is going to end every year because our calendar has run it's course.

Imagine that you work for a calendar factory, and you made calendars up until 2012. Then, all of your people over-farmed your land (which is what I think happened), or they were ruined spiritually, or whatever happened to cause the Maya deserting their larger cities and disperse. You left behind your calendar factory, and left only calendars up until that year, 2012. It doesn't mean the world is going to end. It means the factory was abandoned. At least that is how it was explained to me.

There is much debate, where some say that according to the Maya calendar, 2012 is a "new beginning" or a rebirth, or whatever, and I am cool with that too. A rebirth is painful, yet necessary, in my opinion.

[Joe King]

"The Maya did not think about humanity, global warming or predict the poles would fuse together," That's a new kinda dooom I've never heard of before. So what kind of awesome killer dooom do we get if the poles fuse together? It sounds as though it would be severe. lol





There is much debate, where some say that according to the Maya calendar, 2012 is a "new beginning" or a rebirth, or whatever, and I am cool with that too. A rebirth is painful, yet necessary, in my opinion.Kinda like what might happen after a huge crash?
ie mankind having to rebuild all its systems anew?

[Twisted Titan]

I cant wait tiull all the new agers have a massive ton of egg on their face

David wilcok
micheal tsarion
David Icke

This is going to be the best

[Neuro]

If the poles fuse together, wouldn't earth look like a bagel?

[Santa]

FOOLS! Laugh all you want now, but mark my words...

DOOM! DOOM! DOOM!

[Errosion Of Accord]

Peru is awesome, but it was tough for me going from sea level to the Andes. Oh boy. I want to say "stay out of Lima", but I had some cool experiences there. I slept in a convent. I had a baby lamb handed to me by a group of little girls wanting a tip. So cute!

OK, on topic . . . the way I learned about the Mayan Calendar was in Guatemala, and I am guessing it was 2005 or 2006. It was explained, quite frankly, that the calendar ended, just like our 2011 calendar is going to end. Period. We don't think the world is going to end every year because our calendar has run it's course.

Imagine that you work for a calendar factory, and you made calendars up until 2012. Then, all of your people over-farmed your land (which is what I think happened), or they were ruined spiritually, or whatever happened to cause the Maya deserting their larger cities and disperse. You left behind your calendar factory, and left only calendars up until that year, 2012. It doesn't mean the world is going to end. It means the factory was abandoned. At least that is how it was explained to me.

There is much debate, where some say that according to the Maya calendar, 2012 is a "new beginning" or a rebirth, or whatever, and I am cool with that too. A rebirth is painful, yet necessary, in my opinion.

The wife and I just got back from cancun where we visited Coba ruins. The Mayans there said the exact same thing.

[joboo]

A tribe of low IQ, insanely superstitious people, with zero knowledge of even the most basic of scientific principles made a prediction. Oh wow....sounds serious. Are people really this stupid, and desperate to believe 2012?

[joboo]

The wife and I just got back from cancun where we visited Coba ruins. The Mayans there said the exact same thing.

Did you touch that green fungus on the inside of walls at the top of the sacrifice shrine of Nohoch Mul? Shit is like some kind of glue.

[Dogman]

A tribe of low IQ, insanely superstitious people, with zero knowledge of even the most basic of scientific principles made a prediction. Oh wow....sounds serious. Are people really this stupid, and desperate to believe 2012? Most of their works that were recorded was destroyed by the Spanish. Yes they were barbaric from our viewpoint, but their calender's was far more accurate that the ones the Europeans used at the time. I could go on about their astronomy and other sciences that at the time , were better than the Europeans of the period.

They were very advanced, other than ripping hearts out and such!

[joboo]

Most of their works that were recorded was destroyed by the Spanish. Yes they were barbaric from our viewpoint, but their calender's was far more accurate that the ones the Europeans used at the time. I could go on about their astronomy and other sciences that at the time , were better than the Europeans of the period.

They were very advanced, other than ripping hearts out and such!

For sure they spent a lot of time looking at the stars, but I doubt they had much scientific principle as they believed they had magical powers.

[Dogman]

For sure they spent a lot of time looking at the stars, but I doubt they had much scientific principle as they believed they had magical powers. They were no different than other world cultures of that time.

[joboo]

They were no different than other world cultures of that time.

Precisely which is why predicting 2012 as the world ending because their calendar was flawed, is a lot like believing in Santa Claus. Huge town meetings, and their elders probably saw visions to confirm it, and nobody looked any further. Primitive man is given far too much credit. People knew nothing of the world itself outside of a few hundred miles, let alone the universe outside of what they could see with the naked eye.

[freespirit]

For sure they spent a lot of time looking at the stars, but I doubt they had much scientific principle as they believed they had magical powers.

it would seem that they had considerable "scientific principle"....

quoted from "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Graham Hancock:


Knowledge out of place
In 1954 J. Eric Thompson, a leading authority on the archaeology of
Central America, confessed to a deep sense of puzzlement at a number
of glaring disparities he had identified between the generally
unremarkable achievements of the Mayas, as a whole and the advanced
state of their astro-calendrical knowledge, ‘What mental quirks,’ he
asked, ‘led the Maya intelligentsia to chart the heavens, yet fail to grasp
the principle of the wheel; to visualize eternity, as no other semi-civilized
people has ever done, yet ignore the short step from corbelled to true
arch; to count in millions, yet never to learn to weigh a sack of corn?’ 9
Perhaps the answer to these questions is much simpler than Thompson
realized. Perhaps the astronomy, the deep understanding of time, and the
long-term mathematical calculations, were not ‘quirks’ at all. Perhaps
they were the constituent parts of a coherent but very specific body of
knowledge that the Maya had inherited, more or less intact, from an older
and wiser civilization. Such an inheritance would explain the
contradictions observed by Thompson, and there is no need for any
dispute on the point. We already know that the Maya received their
calendar as a legacy from the Olmecs (a thousand years earlier, the
Olmecs were using exactly the same system). The real question, should
be, where did the Olmecs get it? What kind of level of technological and
scientific development was required for a civilization to devise a calendar
as good as this?

Take the case of the solar year. In modern Western society we still make
use of a solar calendar which was introduced in Europe in 1582 and is
based on the best scientific knowledge then available: the famous
Gregorian calendar. The Julian calendar, which it replaced, computed the
period of the earth’s orbit around the sun at 365.25 days. Pope Gregory
XIII’s reform substituted a finer and more accurate calculation: 365.2425
days. Thanks to scientific advances since 1582 we now know that the
exact length of the solar year is 365.2422 days. The Gregorian calendar
therefore incorporates a very small plus error, just 0.0003 of a day—
pretty impressive accuracy for the sixteenth century.
Strangely enough, though its origins are wrapped in the mists of
antiquity far deeper than the sixteenth century, the Mayan calendar
achieved even greater accuracy. It calculated the solar year at 365.2420 days, a minus error of only 0.0002 of a day.
10
Similarly, the Maya knew the time taken by the moon to orbit the earth.
Their estimate of this period was 29.528395 days—extremely close to the
true figure of 29.530588 days computed by the finest modern methods.
11
The Mayan priests also had in their possession very accurate tables for
the prediction of solar and lunar eclipses and were aware that these could
occur only within plus or minus eighteen days of the node (when the
moon’s path crosses the apparent path of the sun).
12
Finally, the Maya
were remarkably accomplished mathematicians. They possessed an
advanced technique of metrical calculation by means of a chequerboard
device we ourselves have only discovered (or rediscovered?) in the last
century.
13
They also understood perfectly and used the abstract concept
of zero
14
and were acquainted with place numerations.
These are esoteric fields. As Thompson observed,
The cipher (nought) and place numerations are so much parts of our cultural
heritage and seem such obvious conveniences that it is difficult to comprehend
how their invention could have been long delayed. Yet neither ancient Greece with
its great mathematicians, nor ancient Rome, had any inkling of either nought or
place numeration. To write 1848 in Roman numerals requires eleven letters:
MDCCCXLVIII. Yet the Maya had a system of place-value notation very much like
our own at a time when the Romans were still using their clumsy method.
15
Isn’t it a bit odd that this otherwise unremarkable Central American tribe
should, at such an early date, have stumbled upon an innovation which
Otto Neugebauer, the historian of science, has described as ‘one of the
most fertile inventions of humanity’.

i recommend reading more about them...you may be surprised what you learn...

ETA: here is the link for the pdf book, it is a very good read.

http://www.thomasfarrell.com/downloads/Graham%20Hancock,%20FINGERPRINTS%20OF%20THE%20GODS .pdf

[vacuum]

Guys, just posted a thread which addresses this topic and others
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?56481-The-Great-Year

[joboo]

it would seem that they had considerable "scientific principle"....

quoted from "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Graham Hancock:



i recommend reading more about them...you may be surprised what you learn...

ETA: here is the link for the pdf book, it is a very good read.

http://www.thomasfarrell.com/downloads/Graham%20Hancock,%20FINGERPRINTS%20OF%20THE%20GODS .pdf

Yeah they looked at the stars all night long, and believed in the most ridiculous shit imaginable outside of that to the point they ripped people's hearts out, and ate them. Yeah, genius bunch of people for sure.

[freespirit]

Yeah they looked at the stars all night long, and believed in the most ridiculous shit imaginable outside of that to the point they ripped people's hearts out, and ate them. Yeah, genius bunch of people for sure.

.... apparently, one of the hardest things to pry from a man's grasp is his own ignorance.

just for the record, their writings portray more intelligence than your own, genius.

[midnight rambler]

For sure they spent a lot of time looking at the stars, but I doubt they had much scientific principle as they believed they had magical powers.

They studied the stars like this culture studies Talmudvision. lol

[Libertytree]

They weren't talking about the end of the world....just Wall St. ;D

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

The world is already changing and that is enough for me.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

If the poles fuse together, wouldn't earth look like a bagel?

If the joos get their way..