Iran Military Shoots Down US Drone

[osoab]

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Iran Military Shoots Down US Drone (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-military-shoots-down-us-drone)


From Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/12/04/uk-iran-usa-drone-idUKTRE7B30DQ20111204):
Iran's military said on Sunday it had shot down a U.S. reconnaissance drone aircraft in eastern Iran, a military source told state television.

"Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted the unnamed source as saying.

"The spy drone, which has been downed with little damage, was seized by the Iranian armed forces."

Iran shot down the drone at a time when it is trying to contain foreign reaction to the storming of the British embassy in Tehran on Tuesday, shortly after London announced that it would impose sanctions on Iran's central bank in connection with Iran's controversial nuclear enrichment programme.

Britain evacuated its diplomatic staff from Iran and expelled Iranian diplomats in London in retaliation, and several other EU members recalled their ambassadors from Tehran.

The attack dragged Iran's relations with Europe to a long-time low.

Washington and EU countries have been discussing measures to restrict Iran's oil exports since the United Nations nuclear watchdog issued a report in November with what it said was evidence that Tehran had worked on designing an atom bomb.


And from AP (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_DRONE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-04-09-56-04):
Iran's semiofficial Fars news agency says the country's armed forces have shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane that violated Iranian airspace along its eastern border.

The report says the plane was an RQ170 type drone and is now in the possession of Iran's armed forces. The Fars news agency is close to the powerful Revolutionary Guard.

Iran is locked in a dispute with the U.S. and its allies over Tehran's disputed nuclear program, which the West believes is aimed at the development of nuclear weapons. Iran denies the accusations, saying its nuclear program is entirely peaceful.
As a reminder from Stratfor (http://www.stratfor.com/frontpage), here is how the US navy was deployed most recently as of Wednesday. Looks like life for the Stennis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_John_C._Stennis_%28CVN-74%29)boys is about to get exciting.

[osoab]

From PressTV (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/213765.html):



http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2011/12/drone.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2011/12/drone.jpg)A senior Iranian military official says Iran's Army has shot down a remote-controlled reconnaissance drone operated by the US military in the eastern part of the country.

The informed source said on Sunday that Iran Army's electronic warfare unit successfully targeted the American-built RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft after it crossed into Iranian airspace over the border with neighboring Afghanistan.

He added that the US reconnaissance drone has been seized with minimum damage.

The RQ-170 is a stealth unmanned aircraft designed and developed by Lockheed Martin Company.

The US military and the CIA use the drone to launch missile strikes in Afghanistan and in Pakistan's northwestern tribal region.

The unnamed Iranian military official further added that “due to the clear border violation, the operational and electronic measures taken by the Islamic Republic of Iran's Armed Forces against invading aircraft will not remain limited to the Iran's borders.

The report comes as the United States has beefed up its military presence in and around the Persian Gulf region in recent months in the wake of popular uprising in Bahrain.

The US Department of Defense says Washington is closely monitoring the developments in Bahrain, which is the headquarters of the US Navy's Fifth Fleet and holds some 4,200 US service members.

[midnight rambler]

Chances are good the Iranians will let the Russians and Chinese take a close look at it.

The MIC/DoD is run my a bunch of madmen who do not serve the American people, and this is just another example of that. (as if anyone here didn't already realize that)

[osoab]

Haaretz is running the Reuters article.
Iran claims to have shot down U.S. spy drone over nuclear site (http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/iran-claims-to-have-shot-down-u-s-spy-drone-over-nuclear-site-1.374240)

[madfranks]

Now how many Americans are going to consider this an act of war and shout for war with Iran, when if it were an Iran drone flying over our land, we would have shot it down too? Damn I wish our government would just leave other countries alone.

[osoab]

Now how many Americans are going to consider this an act of war and shout for war with Iran, when if it were an Iran drone flying over our land, we would have shot it down too? Damn I wish our government would just leave other countries alone.

Just remind the sheep that the our act of War came first with the economic sanctions. Not to mention Stuxnet, the recent bombings, and the the deaths of their lead scientists.

[osoab]

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InTrade Odds For US/Israel Airstrike In Iran Before June 2012: 24.3% As Of Yesterday (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/intrade-odds-us-airstrike-iran-june-2012-243)

[midnight rambler]

Just remind the sheep that the our act of War came first with the economic sanctions. Not to mention Stuxnet, the recent bombings, and the the deaths of their lead scientists.

As if that approach will overcome TelAvivision.

[Spectrism]

Now how many Americans are going to consider this an act of war and shout for war with Iran, when if it were an Iran drone flying over our land, we would have shot it down too? Damn I wish our government would just leave other countries alone.

It is an act of war. Sending a scout drone like that into Iranian airspace is military aggression.

[midnight rambler]

It is an act of war. Sending a scout drone like that into Iranian airspace is military aggression.

The Death Cult is just heaping it on the Iranians. Like we can't see where they're headed.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfWe8qVabsE&feature=player_embedded

[madfranks]

It is an act of war. Sending a scout drone like that into Iranian airspace is military aggression.

I know it is, but the stupid masses think that America can do whatever it wants and if someone stands up for themselves then they are the aggressors and must be crushed.

[Eyebone]

I would be interested in exactly what electronic counter measures they used against the drone.

That information could come in handy in the future.

I though they flew so high nothing could touch them.

[Ponce]

About missiles and drones.......I can only wonder as to who owns most of the shares for the manuf of those vehicles...

About drones.........regular drones can fly for ten hours, or longer, and can be easily seen........however.......some drones carry up to 10 mini-drones that are invisibles and that can fly for one hour (they are disposable and self destruct) the mother drone will drop a mini-drone every 25 miles and then return to home base.

There are things that they don't talk about but that makes sense.........from the mind of Ponce :)

[Golden]

Hey now toppings are extra.

Cue the crickets.

[osoab]

Vid of the drone


Iran Releases Video Of Captured US Drone Plane (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-releases-video-captured-us-drone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_uv6Welnco&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_uv6Welnco&feature=player_embedded

[General of Darkness]

The Death Cult is just heaping it on the Iranians. Like we can't see where they're headed.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfWe8qVabsE&feature=player_embedded

What a great speech. To the people that say that Hitler was a Rothschild agent, I say "Go fuck yourself", he cared about his people and TPTB wanted WWII

[Ponce]

Looks to me like the Iranians did a pretty good job in resemblim the drone back together....go to link for video...now our own tecnical data will be used against us by China and Russia.
=============================================


Iran state television displays 'downed U.S. surveillance drone'.

WATCH: Revolutionary Guard top officer tells Fars news agency that military experts are 'well aware how precious the technological information of this drone is.'
By Haaretz

Iraninan state television displayed what it said was a downed U.S. surveillance drone on Thursday, days after U.S. officials expressed concern that Tehran would be able to glean information about a classified military program.

Interested in the Iran-U.S. covert war? Join the discussion on Haaretz.com's Facebook page

Iranian military officials inspecting what they say is a U.S. drone, Dec. 8, 2011.

According to the semi-official Fars news agency, in the televised segment, commander of the Revolutionary Guard's Aerospace Forces Amir Ali Hajizadeh said that Iranian forces uncovered the aircraft as it was about "to infiltrate our country's airspace for spying missions."

"[A]fter it entered the Eastern parts of the country, this aircraft fell into the trap of our armed forces and was downed in Iran with minimum damage," Hajizadeh told Fars.

According to the Iraninan military official, the drone was "equipped with highly advanced surveillance, data gathering, electronic communication and radar systems," saying that "this kind of plane has been designed to evade radar systems and from the view point of technology it is amongst the most recent types of advanced aircraft used by the U.S."


"The technology used in this aircraft had already been used in B2 and F35 planes," Hajizadeh added, saying the "aircraft is controlled and guided through satellite link and land stations in Afghanistan and the United States."

"Military experts are well aware how precious the technological information of this drone is," Fars quoted Hajizadeh as saying.

The RQ-170 has been used in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials acknowledge that the military lost control of one of the stealthy drones while it was flying a mission over western Afghanistan. The official IRNA news agency has said that Iran’s armed forces shot it down.

On Monday, U.S. military officials said that they were concerned that a stealthy surveillance drone that crashed in Iran could give Tehran the opportunity to glean information about the classified program.

But experts said Monday that even if the Iranians found parts of the unmanned spy plane, they will likely get little from it. And since it probably fell from a high altitude, there may be very few large pieces to examine.

U.S. officials have rejected that claim.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/iran-state-television-displays-downed-u-s-surveillance-drone-1.400377

[DMac]

I wonder what specific methods were used to down the machine.

[Ponce]

Didn't you see the cover up bullets holes in the video?..... I counted eight of them.

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Back at CIA HQ:

"..ok, the trojan drone is in place.

Release the mini spy probes;
Relelase the viral agents;
Turn on the Wi-Fi, and send out the trojan software;
Wait 12 hours and set off the tactical nuke.
Where do you want to eat lunch, Bob? ..."

[DMac]

Didn't you see the cover up bullets holes in the video?..... I counted eight of them.

No, I don't see bullet holes. As a matter of fact, if it was shot down, I would expect to see a lot of damage in particular the wings.

[Dogman]

No, I don't see bullet holes. As a matter of fact, if it was shot down, I would expect to see a lot of damage in particular the wings. +1


It is in dam good shape!

[DMac]

+1


It is in dam good shape!

If this is all for real and not 1. a propaganda stunt or 2. Trojan horse of some kind, then I surmise this thing was hacked into somehow and they landed it themselves.

**Russia has an incredible 'hacker' division as a part of its military. It's not outside the realm of possibility.

**edit:so does China for that matter. Asymmetrical warfare.

[Dogman]

If this is all for real and not 1. a propaganda stunt or 2. Trojan horse of some kind, then I surmise this thing was hacked into somehow and they landed it themselves.

Russia has an incredible 'hacker' division as a part of its military. It's not outside the realm of possibility. A few hours ago on CNN it was said the drone lost navigation control.

That does leave open many lines of thought!

[DMac]

Related, 2 years old:

Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126102247889095011.html)

snip


WASHINGTON -- Militants in Iraq have used $26 off-the-shelf software to intercept live video feeds from U.S. Predator drones, potentially providing them with information they need to evade or monitor U.S. military operations.

[osoab]

Obama on captured drone: 'We've asked for it back' (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-captured-drone-weve-asked-it-back/251706)



President Obama, asked about reports that Iran has a United States spy drone in their possession, said that the United States has asked Iran to return the drone.

"We have asked for it back," Obama said during a press conference with the Iraqi Prime Minister today. "We will see how the Iranians respond."

Iran has said (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/11/iran-says-it-will-not-return-us-drone/) that it will not return the drone.

Obama met with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki today to discuss the United States relationship with Iraq after the last American troops leave the country. Al-Maliki said that he and Obama discussed weapons purchases to arm the Iraqi military.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hPZjqPO25bI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hPZjqPO25bI

[midnight rambler]

Obama on captured drone: 'We've asked for it back' (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-captured-drone-weve-asked-it-back/251706)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hPZjqPO25bI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hPZjqPO25bI


LOL

I bet they respond the very same way the Japanese and MIC did with respect to the Russians 'requesting' the return of their MiG-25 flown into Japan by that pilot who defected, i.e. 30 crates of the loose component parts several months later (the MiG-25 was trashed and could never be re-assembled).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Belenko

[ximmy]

....The Russians may have played a major role in Iran's capture of the RQ-170 on Dec. 4. They are suspected of even supplying Iran with the electronic bag of tricks for downing the US stealth drone undamaged.... 8)

....Iran's success in determining the moment of the unmanned vehicle's entry and its success in transferring command of the drone's movements from US to Iranian control systems is an exceptional intelligence and technological feat in terms of modern electronic warfare.... ;)



....Western intelligence watchers keeping track of the Russian and Chinese teams in Tehran have not discovered where the negotiations stand at this time or whether the Iranians have taken on both teams at once or are bargaining with each separately to raise the bidding.... ::)



....debkafile's Moscow sources disclose that the price set by Revolutionary Guards commander Gen. Ali Jaafari includes advanced nuclear and missile technology ....and the S-300PMU-1 air defense system.... :o



....This super-weapon is effective against stealth warplanes and cruise missiles and therefore capable of seriously impairing any large-scale US or Israeli air or missile attacks on Iran's nuclear sites.... >:D



http://www.debka.com/article/21560/

[MAGNES]

....The Russians may have played a major role in Iran's capture of the RQ-170 on Dec. 4. They are suspected of even supplying Iran with the electronic bag of tricks for downing the US stealth drone undamaged.... 8)

This was the first thing I thought of, fits with everything else going on.

The Russians are not as devious as they could be, they stand to gain
if oil prices shoot up through the roof, this is why they have not been
as aggressive against the NeoCons and Oligarchs, letting them play their
hand, driving up oil prices, this made Russia these last 10 years.
They are choosing their battles carefully.

There has been a lot of recent activity recently, Russian moves.



Sea alert: Russian warships head for Syria — RT (http://rt.com/news/russian-aircraft-carrier-syria-363/)

Russia Delivers Radar Jammers to Iran - Defense News (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=8053836)

Done deal: Russia supplies cruise missiles to Syria — RT (http://rt.com/politics/russia-syria-missiles-contract-crisis-865/)

Report: Russia Delivers Anti-Ship Missiles To Syria Regime (http://www.rferl.org/content/russia_delivers_anti-ship_missiles_to_syria_regime/24409268.html)

US envoy Susan Rice storms out after Russia and China veto UN resolution | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045442/US-envoy-Susan-Rice-storms-Russia-China-veto-UN-resolution.html)

» Russia Arms Syria With Missiles To Defend Against NATO Attack Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/russia-arms-syria-with-missiles-to-defend-against-nato-attack/)

» Russian Warships Enter Syrian Waters To Prevent NATO Attack Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/russian-warships-enter-syrian-waters-to-prevent-nato-attack/)

» Nuke carrier leads US strike force into Syrian waters Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/nuke-carrier-leads-us-strike-force-into-syrian-waters/)

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Back at CIA HQ:

"..ok, the trojan drone is in place.

Release the mini spy probes;
Relelase the viral agents;
Turn on the Wi-Fi, and send out the trojan software;
Wait 12 hours and set off the tactical nuke.
Where do you want to eat lunch, Bob? ..."

Kinda OT, but what the hell... I just, after four decades, grasped the whole reason for "Trojan" condoms...

The enemy is contained within, and if it is opened inside the gates, you're fucked.

Learn something every day.

[osoab]

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Iran Releases Footage From Hacked US Drone (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-07/iran-releases-footage-hacked-us-drone)

[JohnQPublic]

Did you notice the explosion at the very end? I have a screen shot, but cannot upload it from here. Looks like a subliminal insert.

[osoab]

Did you notice the explosion at the very end? I have a screen shot, but cannot upload it from here. Looks like a subliminal insert.

I wonder if that was stored on the drone hard drive from a previous bombing run.

[Cebu_4_2]

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[Serpo]

Iran's New 'Super' Stealth Fighter Jet Is Totally FakeBy Alexander Abad-Santos | The Atlantic Wire – Mon, Feb 4, 2013



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It's a made-in-Iran, "super advanced," radar "evading" military jet, prepared to unleash hell upon the regime's many enemies. "State-of-the-art technologies," Iran claimed! "Modern defense achievements," too! Only there's now one major problem: Aviation experts say this plane can't even fly.
RELATED: What We Know About Alleged Ahmadinejad Assassination Attempt (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2010/08/what-we-know-about-alleged-ahmadinejad-assassination-attempt/23487/)
Iran's defense minister unveiled the Qahar 313 to much fanfare (http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/02/02/286875/irans-fighter-jet-can-evade-radars/) on the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic revolution this weekend, including this majestic television spot broadcast on the state news agency:
RELATED: 4 Novel Views of Iran's Nuclear Threat (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2009/10/4-novel-views-of-iran-s-nuclear-threat/26709/)

RELATED: Rick Santorum Formally Joins the 2012 Race (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/06/rick-santorum-formally-joins-2012-race/38514/)
So it's basically the Beyoncé of fighter jets — a glorious achievement combining beauty and skill, fierceness and modern domination. Except here's why the Qahar 313 is more inauguration lip-sync than Super Bowl halftime show:
RELATED: Gabriel Garcia Marquez Is the Iranian Opposition's New Favorite Writer (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/09/gabriel-garcia-marquez-iranian-oppositions-new-favorite-writer/42761/)
The cockpit is too small.
RELATED: What Iran Can Learn from the CIA's Fallen Drone (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/12/what-iran-can-learn-cias-fallen-drone/45795/)
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/FzAeL3Cm2VuUnagbFtR5Jg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2013/02/04/932874_orig.jpg
And here's one more shot with a pilot:
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/OvyWHv703j0JrDntLx0SyA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2013/02/04/130204_Q-313clownfighter_.jpg
That seat is tiny. As The Aviationist's David Cenciotti points out (http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/iran-plane-cannot-fly/#.URACJVqjeFc), the "cockpit seems to be too small, to such an extent a normal pilot doesn’t properly fit in the ejection seat. Have you ever seen a pilot with his knees above the side borders of the cockpit and his helmet well beyond the ejection seat’s head pad?" Granted, our knowledge of fighter-plane ejection primarily comes from scenes out of Top Gun, but Cenciotti's point makes sense. The only possible explanation for this could be if Iran was raising an army of smaller than average fighter-jet pilots, but that's as ridiculous as this plane actually working.
The whole thing is pretty small.
Size matters when it comes to planes. As Foreign Policy's John Reed points out (http://killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/02/04/this_is_not_real_irans_stealth_fighter), a jet this tiny can't possibly carry the equipment needed to evade radar. Reed writes:

The jet is so small it looks like the man is sitting in a clown car, er, clown fighter. It's seriously unlikely that such an aircraft has room to carry the avionics, radars, electronic countermeasures, heat masking gear, and, most importantly for a fighter, the weapons that make modern stealth jets effective.
There's no nozzle.
Engine nozzles are important if you want to fly things or use instruments like afterburners. The "remove this tag before flight" note that the Quaher 313 is sporting doesn't exactly add up, either.
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Umwe7wVQsTv75FNMJwW3tw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2013/02/04/rendered/9ff112a363cecd4cd315b5ed8142507d_625x21.jpg
It looks like it's made out of plastic.
"Overall, the plane seems to lack the characteristic rivets, bolts all aircraft, including stealthy ones, feature. Images released so far show it as a plastic-made aircraft," writes Cenciotti (http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/iran-plane-cannot-fly/#.URACJVqjeFc).
And Iran has totally done this before.
While the jury (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/02/iran-space-monkey-fake/61706/) is still out (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/02/iran-space-monkey-photos-_n_2605392.html) on the fakeness of Iran's alleged (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/01/iran-sent-monkey-space/61466/) space monkey, it was just in late November that Iran told the world they had another "super advanced" aircraft, a super-duper awesome drone. It wasn't long after they "debuted" the drone that we found out it was a mere Photoshop job (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/11/iran-drone-photoshopped/59404/). So fibbing about its wondrous aeronautical advances is something that Iranian military officials are used to doing.
If you'd like to get more specifics on why the Qaher can't actually fly (stuff like air compression meters awaits), head on over to The Aviationist (http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/iran-plane-cannot-fly/#.URACJVqjeFc). But he and Reed do point out that perhaps this is a drone or a mock-up, which could totally be true. "Still the aircraft, manned or unmanned, as displayed on Feb. 2 will hardly take to the air unless extensive modifications are made," writes Cenciotti. Or, you know, Iran gets its hands on the latest edition of Final Cut Pro.


http://news.yahoo.com/irans-super-stealth-fighter-jet-totally-fake-195722803.html

[JohnQPublic]

...
It looks like it's made out of plastic.
"Overall, the plane seems to lack the characteristic rivets, bolts all aircraft, including stealthy ones, feature. Images released so far show it as a plastic-made aircraft," writes Cenciotti (http://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/iran-plane-cannot-fly/#.URACJVqjeFc).
...

Huh? "Super Advanced" planes are made of composites, which are basically fiber reinforced PLASTIC. Not sure this is a realistic criticism. Sounds like disinfo tactic. Rivets? Really? Circa 1947? How about adhesive bonding.

It may be a fake, but not because it doesn't have rivets. If it had rivets, that would be a criticism.

[JohnQPublic]

4417

Looks like plastic- and no rivets. Must be a fake!

[Cebu_4_2]

It is fake, wasn't at the air show.

[Glass]

Another one bites the dust? This could go in a number of threads I guess.

EDIT: Now they are saying it was part of a training exericise (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/24/iran-military-disputes-captured-drone) and not an enemy craft.


Iran Says It Has Brought Down Another Foreign Spy Drone

Back in December 2011 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-military-shoots-down-us-drone), a US RQ-170 Sentinel drone was either brought down or crash landed smack in the middle of Iran, allowing the local military and scientists to reverse engineer it furthering their own understanding of possible countermeasures, as well as selling the underlying technology to China and other countries eager to peek inside America's remote-controlled "oppression liberators." All this happened because someone during the drone design phase forgot to add a self-destruct option. Now, over a year later, we will see if someone finally thought of adding this simple feature following news that Iran has just brought down another (just modestly antagonizing) foreign spy drone over its territory.
From Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/24/us-iran-drones-idUSBRE91N00A20130224):


Iran's Revolutionary Guards have brought down a foreign surveillance drone during a military exercise, the official Islamic Republic News Agency said on Saturday.

"We have managed to bring down a drone of the enemy. This has happened before in our country," the agency quoted war games spokesman General Hamid Sarkheli as saying in Kerman, southeast Iran, where the military exercise is taking place.

The agency gave no details on who the drone belonged to.

In Washington, a Pentagon spokesman said he had seen the reports. He noted that the Iranians did not specifically claim that the drone was American.

In the past, there have been incidents of Iran claiming to have seized U.S. drones.

In early January Iranian media said Iran had captured two miniature U.S.-made surveillance drones over the past 17 months.

Several drone incidents over the past year or so have highlighted tension in the Gulf as Iran and the United States flex their military capabilities in a standoff over Iran's disputed nuclear program.

In other disturbing drone-related news, Michael Krieger reports (http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/02/22/targeted-killings-its-ok-if-obama-does-it/)that when it comes to targeted killings...

It's OK if Obama does it"


In a YouGov poll of 1,000 voters last August, Tesler found significantly more support for targeted killing of suspected terrorists among white “racial liberals” (i.e., those liberal on issues of race) and African-Americans when they were told that Obama supported such a policy than when they were not told it was the president’s policy. Only 27 percent of white racial liberals in a control group supported the targeted killing policy, but that jumped to 48 percent among such voters who were told Obama had conducted such targeted killings.
- Joan Walsh’s recent article at Salon: Targeted killings: OK if Obama does it (http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/targeted_killings_ok_if_obama_does_it/)?


Think about how troubling the above passage is. Basically, a reasonably large percentage of the population of America will simply allow Barrack Obama to do whatever he wants because he is black and a member of their “Democrat” football team. The irony is incredible, but believe me this fact is not lost upon the elites that want to perpetuate the warfare state indefinitely. They fully understand that Obama essentially neutralizes a large part of the “liberal” resistance simply because he is black and ostensibly “liberal.”

I came across the above information while reading Glenn Greenwald’s article about how MSNBC has finally make the total transformation into official government propaganda arm by hiring Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod. His article is a scathing must-read. Here are my favorite excerpts:

Last month, MSNBC’s Al Sharpton conducted a spirited debate about whether Obama belongs on Mount Rushmore or instead deserves a separate monument to his greatness (just weeks before replacing frequent Obama critic Cenk Uygur as MSNBC host, Sharpton publicly vowed never to criticize Barack Obama under any circumstances: a vow he has faithfully maintained).

A Pew poll found that in the week leading up to the 2012 election, MSNBC did not air a single story critical of the President or a single positive story about Romney – not a single one – even as Fox aired a few negative ones about Romney and a few positive ones about Obama.

“Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs has become a contributor for MSNBC. Rachel Maddow introduced Gibbs as a new member of her network’s stable in the final minutes before President Obama’s State of the Union address on Tuesday night. . . . Gibbs was White House press secretary from 2009 to early 2011, when he left to become a senior campaign adviser for Obama’s re-election.”“David Axelrod, the former White House senior advisor and senior strategist for President Obama’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns, has joined NBC News and MSNBC as a senior political analyst, the networks announced today. . . . Like Gibbs, Axelrod will appear across the networks’ programming.”Finally, American citizens will now be able to hear what journalism has for too long so vindictively denied them: a vibrant debate between Gibbs and Axelrod on how great Obama really is.

That you can cover what political officials do more effectively when you act adversarially and without their “cooperation” doesn’t seem to occur to them. Moreover, getting to sit for personal interviews with the president usually produces anything but adversarial questioning. As even Politico admits: “some reporters inevitably worry access or the chance of a presidential interview will decrease if they get in the face of this White House.”

Well looking at the bright side, the more the mainstream media continues to screw up, the greater the opportunity they are creating for people like me.

Link to zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-24/iran-says-it-has-brought-down-another-foreign-spy-drone)

Who the heck knows whats what these days.