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Plastic
4th December 2011, 01:56 PM
Has anyone else gathered/purchased next years seeds yet?
I have never spent so much on seeds before, kinda freaking out about potential crashes etc and grabbed much, MUCH more than normal.

All heirlooms of course.

Hell, I even grabbed things I will probaly never plant, like hibiscus, hyssop, horehound, wormwood, toothache plant etc.

Anyone else freaking out seed-wise around here?

osoab
4th December 2011, 02:04 PM
Getting ready to place my fourth seed order right now to Burpee's.

Number 3 was small. It was for some Pineapple Sage seed. Excellent plant.

Number 1 has been in for 2+ weeks. Placed 2 and 3 this morning.

Pinetree Seeds
Johnny's Seeds
Smart Seeds
Burpee's

I will be ordering from Territorial Seed whenever they roll over for 2012.

Buying hybrids and heirlooms.

Big Momma Roma tomatoes from Burpee's are awesome. Also picking up some blue bell peppers. Both of these are hybrids.

Miniature cabbage and red romaine along with small butterheads.

Plastic
4th December 2011, 02:34 PM
Here's my list.... so far...

Bull's Blood Beet BT1011$2.25
Empereur Alexandre Cucumber CU1351$2.50
King of the Garden Lima Bean LB1051$2.50
Jackson Wonder Bush Lima Bean LB1021$2.50
Banana Melon AML1131$2.50
Iroquois Melon AML1251$2.00
Jake's Melon AML1371$2.50
Kansas Melon AML1231$2.50
Planter's Jumbo Melon AML1261$1.75
Charentais Melon ML1141$2.50
Delice De La Table Melon ML1181$3.00
Tabasco Pepper HPP1061$2.50
Chocolate Habanero Pepper HPP1361$2.50
Cayenne Long Thin HPP1171$2.00
French Breakfast Radish RD1082$4.00
German Giant Radish RD1161$2.00
Round Black Spanish Radish RD1011$2.00
White Hailstone Radish RD1061$1.75
Zucchini Squash - Black Beauty SSQ1201$2.00
Tondo Scuro Di Piacenza Squash SSQ1011$2.00
White Scallop Squash SSQ1071$2.50
Connecticut Field Pumpkin SQ1291$2.00
Hopi Pale Grey SQ2021$3.00
Jumbo Pink Banana Squash SQ1381$2.25
Golden Globe Turnip TN1011$1.50
Purple Top White Globe Turnip TN1031$1.50
Boule D'or Turnip TN1131$2.00
American Purple Top RT1011$1.50
Laurentian Rutabaga RT1021$1.50
Beefsteak Tomato TM1111$2.00
Riesentraube Tomato TM1321$2.50
Brandywine Tomato TK1151$2.25
Mortgage Lifter Tomato TK1201$2.25
Black Giant Tomato TP1201$2.50
Carbon TP1121$2.50
Purple Calabash Tomato TP1251$2.50
Desert King WM1451$2.00
Ali Baba Watermelon WM1521$3.00
Congo Watermelon WM1241$2.00
Golden Midget Watermelon WM1071$2.50
Kolb's Gem Watermelon WM1021$2.50
Butternut Waltham Squash - 1/4 lb SQ112-E1$7.00
Zucchini Squash - Black Beauty - 1/4 lb SSQ120-E1$7.00
Cherokee Trail of Tears Pole Bean BN1342$5.50
Papa De Rola Pole Bean BN1171$3.00
Old Homestead (Kentucky Wonder) BN1051$2.00
Purple Podded Pole Bean BN1141$2.75
Rattlesnake Pole Bean BN1091$2.25
Scarlet Runner Bean RB1011$3.00
Chinese Red Noodle Bean LG1091$3.00
Red-Seeded Asparagus Bean LG1011$2.25
Muscade Carrot CR1182$5.00
Berlicum 2 Carrot CR1171$2.50
Dill Bouquet HB1261$1.75
Stevia HB1751$2.75
Kazakhstan Eggplant EG1701$2.00
Early Purple Vienna KL1011$1.50
Cylindra or Formanova Beet BT1112$4.00
Detroit Dark Red Beet BT1101$1.75
New England Sugar Pie SQ1311$2.00
Long of Naples Squash SQ1341$2.50
Rouge Vif D' Etampes Pumpkin SQ1181$2.75
Jaune Gros De Paris Pumpkin SQ1221$2.50
Jumbo Pink Banana Squash SQ1381$2.25
Bush Buttercup SQ1681$2.50
Patisson Golden Marbre Scallop SSQ1041$3.00
Yellow Scallop Squash SSQ1081$2.50
Lemon Squash SSQ1021$2.50
Kamo Kamo SSQ1291$3.00
Early Prolific Straightneck Squash SSQ1151$2.00
Tall Telephone Garden Pea GP1062$4.50
Wando Garden Pea GP1031$2.25
Laxton's Progress no. 9 Garden Pea GP1051$2.25
Chinese 5 Color Pepper HPP1212$5.00
Filius Blue Pepper HPP1431$2.50
Serrano Tampequino Pepper HPP1021$2.00
Thai Burapa HPP1271$2.50
Thai Red Chilli HPP1071$2.50
Thai Yellow Chilli Pepper HPP1091$2.50
Tobasco Pepper HPP1061$2.50
Cayenne Long Thin HPP1171$2.00
Black Hungarian Pepper HPP1011$2.50
Orangeglo Watermelon WM1272$5.50
Detroit Dark Red Beet - 1/4 lb BT110-E1$6.50
St. Valery Carrot - 1/4 lb CR101-E1$9.50
Old Homestead (Kentucky Wonder Pole) -1/2 lb BN105-F1$5.50
Jaune Paille Des Vertus Onion - 1 oz ON114-C1$12.00
Early Scarlet Globe Radish 1/4 LB RD111-E1$6.00
Victoria Rhubarb - 1 oz RH101-C1$8.50
Golden Globe - 1/4 lb TN101-E1$5.00
Anise Hyssop HB1221$1.75
Hyssop, Blue HB1231$1.50
Lavender HB1121$2.00
Rue, Herb O'Grace HB1911$1.75
Sage - Broad Leaf HB1471$2.00
Scullcap HB1931$2.25
Thyme HB1131$1.75
Toothache Plant HB1601$2.50
White Horehound HB1921$2.00
Wormwood *Check Shipping restrictions* HB1151$2.00
Yarrow HB1141$1.50
"Shiso or Perilla Purple Zi Su" HB1551$2.00
Kenaf Hibiscus FL3511$2.50
Cardinal Climber - Morning Glory FL4801$1.75

The turnip seeds alone come to approx a 55,000 count
Carrots around 70,000
Radishes and beets 11,000 each give or take.
Zucchini and butternut squash around 1,000 each.

Sooooooooooo many seeds for my garden-o-doom.

osoab
4th December 2011, 02:54 PM
Quick scan through your list.

I don't see any cumin, paprika, onions, or pablanos.

Going with Abe Lincoln tomatoes this year for my main crop along with Big Moma's. Stripped Romans, Chocolate Cherries are the best cherry tomato I have found.

Plastic
4th December 2011, 03:38 PM
Quick scan through your list.

I don't see any cumin, paprika, onions, or pablanos.

Going with Abe Lincoln tomatoes this year for my main crop along with Big Moma's. Stripped Romans, Chocolate Cherries are the best cherry tomato I have found.

I did'nt order any cumin, paprika or pablanos, but I did order onion seed.
Jaune Paille Des Vertus Onion - 1 oz ON114-C1$12.00

:)

Katmandu
4th December 2011, 05:12 PM
Anybody buy from Fedco seeds? I have found that they have really good prices and a large selection. They carry both heirloom and hybrid seeds; I buy mostly the heirloom. At first I was skiddish of them because of the "Fed" it their name, but so far they seem like a good company.

Plastic
4th December 2011, 05:51 PM
I hav'nt Kat, Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds for me. They have 1,400 different seed types, alot of which are rare or almost extinct, and none of them are hybrids or gmo, fairly cheap too for what they offer imo.

Katmandu
4th December 2011, 06:12 PM
I hav'nt Kat, Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds for me. They have 1,400 different seed types, alot of which are rare or almost extinct, and none of them are hybrids or gmo, fairly cheap too for what they offer imo.

I looked at the Baker Creek website some time back. It looked like a decent place; thanks for the reminder.

I have also found a really tasty, wide selection of heirloom canteloupe seeds at http://www.heirloomseeds.com/

osoab
5th December 2011, 10:35 AM
This is the list of seeds that I have ordered so far.

TOMATO BIG MAMA HYBRID
PEPPER HOT FISH HEIRLOOM
LETTUCE ICEBERG A
TOMATO TANGERINE MAMA HYB
CHINESE CABBAGE PAK CHOI TOY CHOI HYBRID
LEEK BLUE SOLAISE HEIRLOOM
BROCCOLI DI CICCIO ORGANIC

Pineapple Sage

Sweet Chocolate (OG) Black Bell
Gourmet (F1) Orange Bell
Islander (F1) Blue Bell
Ace (F1) Red Bell
Graffiti (F1) Purple Califlower
Gonzales (F1) mini Cabbage
Caraflex Cabbage
Focea Mini Butterhead
Ermosa Mini Butterhead
Dancine (Pelleted) Butterhead Lettuce
Skyphos Red Butterhead
White Cippolini Onions
Bianca Di Maggio cippolini onion
Gunnison (F1) Storage yellow onion
Nectar carrots
Papalo some type of herb
Tadorna leek
Breen mini red romaine

BLACK CUMIN
BRIGHT LIGHTS CHARD
WINTER DENSITY LETTUCE
PAPRIKA PEPPER
PURPLE CAYENNE PEPPER
BLACK HUNGARIAN PEPPER
GIANT NOBLE SPINACH
CARIBE CILANTRO
COPRA ONION
BIG RED PEPPER bell
RED MARBLE CIPPOLINI ONION
ICEBERG LETTUCE
TRUE CHARENTAIS MELON
CUMIN
COSMIC PURPLE CARROT
ZUCCHINI-BLACK
STUPICE TOMATO
LIME BASIL

Plastic
5th December 2011, 10:58 AM
I almost ordered some of those cosmic purple and atomic red carrots, mayhaps I will. :)

And lol @ hot fish pepper, gonna check em out.

Will cumin grow and thrive in zone 5?

osoab
5th December 2011, 01:59 PM
I almost ordered some of those cosmic purple and atomic red carrots, mayhaps I will. :)

And lol @ hot fish pepper, gonna check em out.

Will cumin grow and thrive in zone 5?


I ordered two different varieties. Doing a quick bit of digging, it looks like they will have to be started early indoors when in Northern latitudes. Cumin is a equatorial plant for the most part.

I will have to find out if transplanting is doable. I read a few things that said transplanting is not suggested. Cumin is from the carrot family and they don't like to be transplanted. I probably will transplant anyway and give some Kangaroots (http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Doctor-Kangaroots-Drencher-Quart/dp/B00435TS3S) and Superthrive to get the seedlings growing again.

I would add some sort of poblano or equivalent for making your own chili powder if I was in your shoes. I have a few different varieties that I am going to try. A buddy of mine is picking up some seeds for a couple of different plants for me.

Paprika is a no-brainer imo. I grew Alma Paprika last year. I am going to try a couple of different varieties this year.

Katmandu
5th December 2011, 06:21 PM
I almost ordered some of those cosmic purple and atomic red carrots, mayhaps I will. :)

And lol @ hot fish pepper, gonna check em out.

Will cumin grow and thrive in zone 5?

FWIW, the best tasting carrots that I have found so far are:
Nelson
Scarlet Nantes
Shin Kuroda

And of course when it comes to taste and tenderness, carrots grown in the fall/winter completely blow away spring/summer carrots.

skid
7th December 2011, 09:13 AM
Just remember a lot of those heirloom seeds are crappy seeds, propogated by people who treally don't know what they are doing. Some of my worst tasting/looking vegetables have come from heirloom seeds. Many heirloom seeds today are old commercial varieties that had long gone out of favor for better varieties.

I buy most of my seeds from Stokes/Johnnies. They trial their seeds to check for vigor/taste/growth rate/etc. as they sell to market gardeners. My garden this year was incredible (for many reasons) but the seeds were spot on. I especially recommend pelleted carrot seeds as they are so easy to plant and space.

Plastic, you must have a huge garden to plant all those varieties. I try to keep it much simpler personally. For a doom garden you want vegetables that will keep. You probably want to concentrate on roots like potatoes, carrots, beets, onions, grains like corn and wheat, and legumes like pease and beans. Squash keep long as well.

I notice you don't have much for greens. I would grow bok choy and other chinese greens, lettuce, spinach, cabbage, brussel sprouts and kale as they all grow well in cool weather. Give them some protection (small plastic green house or similar) and you can have greens year round in zone 5 or 6

You will also need a place to store it. You need a cold moist place for root veggies so they don't dessicate; A root cellar does that nicely. For grains/onions/squash you need a cool dry place such as a cold room in your basement.

osoab
10th December 2011, 08:50 AM
Ordered on Sunday. Received Johnny's and the tropical seed on Wednesday. Got the Burpee's on Friday.

Plastic
13th December 2011, 10:54 AM
Skid, my parents have 10 acres and I have 5 but I am turning my land into an orchard/berry farm as it is mostly sand and not really fit for tilling. I agree with what you are saying about some heirlooms, but I have had good results with seed purchased from heirloom seeds, so far so good. If you look at my list it is mostly root crops with edible greens (dual purpose), lots of green beans and peas, and like a dozen different types of squashes (summer and winter). No grains though, too much of a pain in the ass imo.

Oso, cool man my second batch just arrived as well.

muffin
13th December 2011, 06:26 PM
Has anyone tried growing garbanzo beans? We eat alot of them and I would think it'd be easier to just grow them. Or maybe not...

skid
14th December 2011, 11:10 PM
Skid, my parents have 10 acres and I have 5 but I am turning my land into an orchard/berry farm as it is mostly sand and not really fit for tilling.

I have several acres of berry and fruit/nut orchard as well. My soil is quite sandy too.

With a soil test, mineral supplements (to bring up any soil deficiencies), and lots of organics and manure (humic acid works incredibly well in sandy soil), your sandy soil will rival the best garden loam in a few years. I have about 2/3 of an acre devoted to my veggie garden and my crops this year were incredible. Nantes carrots over a foot long and 2-3 inches thick, and incredibly sweet and crispy. Root vegetables love sandy soil. Just make sure that you dig the nutrients in deep as the roots really go down in the sand.

osoab
3rd January 2012, 05:51 PM
My first seeds are in potting soil.

I need to get a couple more heat mats to get a few more flats going.

MNeagle
3rd January 2012, 05:54 PM
Just this afternoon I was wondering of the possibility of container tomatoes during the winter... (after seeing the anemic looking ones in the store)

osoab
3rd January 2012, 05:58 PM
Just this afternoon I was wondering of the possibility of container tomatoes during the winter... (after seeing the anemic looking ones in the store)


Light would be your biggest issue.

You might be able to pull it off with a south facing window and a determinate strain.

Korbin Dallas
4th January 2012, 08:42 PM
I just planted some heirloom Tomande tomato seeds, first time with this variety. Park Seed has them for .85 FRN per packet. I have a mini greenhouse that I grow tomatoes in, which gets a full day of sunlight. I have grown indoor tomatoes in a sunny window, with a supplemental grow light, but they never produced until I set them outside.

One of the few advantages to living in Commiefornia is year round tomatoes and veggies.

osoab
7th February 2012, 03:59 PM
These are my first batch of seedlings for 2012. I planted these on the 3rd of January. They were almost all up within 3 days. The broccoli plant by itself is 9-1/2 inches tall.

They will all be going into the ground within the week.


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edit.

I should have added that I used a peace dollar in the one pic to show size.
I think that cabbage is Gonzales.

Onions are over on the side of the second pic. (peace dollar one)
This is the first year that I will start most of my own from seed.

Old Herb Lady
22nd February 2012, 04:21 PM
Does anyone grow elephant garlic ? My regular garlic started to sprout already & I want them to be nice & big ! So I got to thinking
about planting some of these, too. They taste milder, too, for family & friends that don't like the strong stuff.




http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s7/alecialudwickjones/edibles/1190746477.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m387/aleatharhea/Cracked%20com%20Photo%20Fun/elephant-garlic.jpg

gunDriller
22nd February 2012, 05:40 PM
Does anyone grow elephant garlic ? My regular garlic started to sprout already & I want them to be nice & big ! So I got to thinking
about planting some of these, too. They taste milder, too, for family & friends that don't like the strong stuff.


i was just wondering how to spice up & to tenderize the meat from a cow that i just butchered. it is tough and has a "musty/ musky" / "smells like beef liver" taste.

though i am eating some of the scraps, not the prime cuts.

i was thinking marinade + barbecue - but GARLIC sounds like it would be good to have.


i don't know if i've ever seen an elephant garlic at a Safeway type supermarket.

osoab
22nd February 2012, 05:41 PM
Does anyone grow elephant garlic ? My regular garlic started to sprout already & I want them to be nice & big ! So I got to thinking
about planting some of these, too. They taste milder, too, for family & friends that don't like the strong stuff.



I tried to get some this fall/late summer, but most places were sold out.

I have 8 other varieties to try, so I'll just get some planted in the fall for 2013.

On an unrelated note....

I did get all of my first broccoli, cabbage and cauliflower in the ground today. :p

Old Herb Lady
22nd February 2012, 06:08 PM
I tried to get some this fall/late summer, but most places were sold out.

I have 8 other varieties to try, so I'll just get some planted in the fall for 2013.

On an unrelated note....

I did get all of my first broccoli, cabbage and cauliflower in the ground today. :p


No way ! What gardening zone are you in ?

osoab
22nd February 2012, 06:14 PM
No way ! What gardening zone are you in ?


Zone 5b according to this site.
http://www.garden.org/zipzone/index.php?img=seusa

My first plantings last year were on March 6th. I really wanted them out 2 weeks ago, but the weather was just slightly chilly and we had a plenty of cloudy days.

Old Herb Lady
22nd February 2012, 06:35 PM
osoab, what about those little heads of lettuce, I think they're called artisan ?
They are sooo good , have you ever tried planting those ?
I only like leaf lettuce, but those (artisan) are just too delicious not to plant.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/bour3/things%20I%20made%20then%20ate/lettuce_opened.jpg

osoab
22nd February 2012, 06:54 PM
osoab, what about those little heads of lettuce, I think they're called artisan ?
They are sooo good , have you ever tried planting those ?
I only like leaf lettuce, but those (artisan) are just too delicious not to plant.



Never tried the artisan.

Right now, I have Ermosa and Dancine these are green butterheads, Skypos which is a red butterhead, and some miniature red romaine seedlings going. I will probably set the lettuce out next week sometime.

I will be starting some other lettuces probably on Sunday. I know I will be growing some Tom Thumb which is a miniature butterhead. Very tasty and compact little lettuce. Quick to bolt, though.

The red romaine is supposed to be slow to bolt. I am going to use 6 of these seedlings for the microwave test. I up-potted them this afternoon. It will probably be at least 2 weeks before they need water again.

One reason for getting these plants out now, was because I was out of light space in the basement. I had to up-pot 10 cheddar cauliflower before they became root bound in the starter cells. I really had no more light space to put them under. I was running 10 48" fluorescence bulbs too. At least I can shut 4 of them off until I start my new lettuce batch.

The sad thing is that tomatoes, peppers, and herbs will have to be started very soon too, in about 3 weeks. :o

I might have to set up some more lights. >:(

BabushkaLady
22nd February 2012, 07:32 PM
Keep your eyes open for local seed exchange events. I just noticed one in the local paper sponsored by a church. It's nice to talk with the gardener you're exchanging seeds with!

The article said to bring seeds to exchange, if you're new to gardening they'll just give you some to get started.

zap
22nd February 2012, 07:44 PM
[QUOTE=gunDriller;518921]i was just wondering how to spice up & to tenderize the meat from a cow that i just butchered. it is tough and has a "musty/ musky" / "smells like beef liver" taste.

though i am eating some of the scraps, not the prime cuts.

i was thinking marinade + barbecue - but GARLIC sounds like it would be good to have.

If you wanna get the musty taste out and tenderize it , marinade it in red wine, garlic, salt pepper, add some herbs, soak it overnight, then BBQ it. ;)

osoab
17th May 2012, 05:38 PM
Figure this one out.

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All of these are supposed to be Rutger's tomatoes. I planted all of these from seed from the same packet. I was about to give the one on the right away, when I happened to catch the leaf structure. The plant has roots coming off the stem like a tomato, but the leaf structure looks like a pepper plant.

Anyone seen this before?

I plan on growing it out to see what happens. :o

osoab
17th May 2012, 05:39 PM
Purple cauliflower. I know, it is a hybrid, but it is pretty cool looking.

This guy was picked over two weeks ago.


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osoab
20th May 2012, 10:07 AM
Some more cauliflower pics.

I had the best luck with the purple hybrid. Much denser heads.

I just picked these.

Cheddar on the left, Purple graffiti center, Amazing (I think) right.

Cheddar went in the ground in mid March. The PG and Amazing went in the ground on Feb 15.

I have already picked two heads of PG. I still have two plants to go, one is half the size of the pic, the other is 1/4 size of the pic.

Cheddar all came on at the same time. It's great because I get to empty the bed. It sucks, because I have some cauliflower to give away.



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gunDriller
20th May 2012, 12:19 PM
Some more cauliflower pics.

I had the best luck with the purple hybrid. Much denser heads.

I just picked these.

Cheddar on the left, Purple graffiti center, Amazing (I think) right.


do the Purple or Cheddar taste different from 'regular' cauliflower ?

osoab
20th May 2012, 03:08 PM
do the Purple or Cheddar taste different from 'regular' cauliflower ?

I will give a taste test in a short while.

osoab
20th May 2012, 03:54 PM
I have to give the edge to Purple Graffiti. The white one (Amazing?) is 2nd, The cheddar sucked imho. The cheddar is bland.

Maybe the purplish color is affecting my judgment.