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jimswift
7th December 2011, 11:26 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/paul-israel-support-wead/2011/12/07/id/420247


In an exclusive Newsmax interview, Congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul confirmed his support for Israel, but cautioned that while the United States should be a “friend” of the Jewish state, America should not be the “master” of Israel.

Paul also says the United States should not dictate Israel’s borders or try to “buy her allegiance” with massive amounts of foreign aid. He argued that foreign aid has actually hurt – not helped – the Jewish state.

The interview was conducted by Newsmax contributor Doug Wead, a presidential historian and New York Times best-selling author.

Paul has recently come under fire from some Jewish groups in America. The Republican Jewish Coalition banned Paul from a debate on Jewish issues in Washington this week because of his “misguided and extreme views,” according to the group’s executive director, Matt Brooks.

Newsmax chatted with Paul to get his side of the issue as the Texas Republican is surging in some presidential polls.

A new Washington Post-ABC News survey in Iowa shows him threatening Mitt Romney as the second-leading candidate behind Newt Gingrich. Paul is now tied with Romney in the early caucus state with 18 percent of the vote, behind Gingrich’s 33 percent.

Rep. Paul’s interview with Newsmax follows:

Newsmax: What should our relationship be with Israel?

Ron Paul: We should be their friend and their trading partner. They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy.

This is not just about Israel, by the way, this is about how we should conduct ourselves with other countries around the world.

Newsmax: But Israel is not like other countries. We have a large Jewish population in America. What do you say to those who criticize your policy toward Israel?

Ron Paul: I think that some not only misunderstand the American Constitution and the role we should have in the world, they also misunderstand Zionism. Part of the original idea of Zionism, as I understand it, was that there should be Jewish independence and Jewish self-reliance. Today, America doesn’t want anyone to be self-reliant. We want to rule the world and be the saviors of the world and we are going broke in the process.

Newsmax: Some object to your policy of cutting foreign aid to Israel.

Ron Paul: I have objected to all foreign aid. I define foreign aid as taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries. We just can’t keep doing this. We don’t have the money anymore.

Stop and consider America’s policy: We give $3 billion a year to Israel in loans; and we give $12 billion or more in assistance to Israel’s self-declared enemies. Some of these are countries that say they will drive Israel into the sea.

Newsmax: What do you say to evangelical Christians who want that aid to continue?

Ron Paul: I say to them that our aid in the region is out of balance and it is wrong. Foreign aid does not help Israel. It is a net disadvantage. I say to them that “the borrower is servant to the lender” and America should never be the master of Israel and its fate. We should be her friend.

In October, 1981, most of the world and most of the Congress voiced outrage over Israel’s attack on Iraq and their nuclear development. I was one of the few who defended her right to make her own decisions on foreign policy and to act in her own self-interest.

Newsmax: What then, if anything, should we do for Israel?

Ron Paul: We should share intelligence for mutually agreed-upon goals. We should honor our pledge to refuse any arms sales that would undermine Israel’s qualitative military edge in the region.

But we should stop interfering with them. We should not announce bargaining positions even before she begins her negotiations. We should not dictate what she can and cannot do. We should stop trying to buy her allegiance. And Israel should stop sacrificing their sovereignty as an independent state to us or anybody else, no matter how well-intentioned.

Shami-Amourae
7th December 2011, 11:34 AM
You know, he's fucked no matter what position he takes on that issue.

Awoke
7th December 2011, 11:56 AM
No matter what country, he would have to say he "supported" it, however following up immediately with "however we need to stop giving them money" is a step in the right direction.

EE_
7th December 2011, 12:15 PM
Does this mean Ron is going to have to kiss Israel's balls...er, I mean wall.

Ponce
7th December 2011, 12:24 PM
I will not be voting for anyone........he just lost my vote.

po boy
7th December 2011, 12:28 PM
I will not be voting for anyone........he just lost my vote.

But how could God jr have been deceived, fist 3 rolls of tp now this, what's a rican to do.


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/ron-paul-zionist/249532/

joboo
7th December 2011, 12:30 PM
"I define foreign aid as taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries."

So true. Intention is one thing, what ends up happening is another.

osoab
7th December 2011, 12:35 PM
I will not be voting for anyone........he just lost my vote.

Were you going to vote in the Republicrat Primary?

Neuro
7th December 2011, 12:38 PM
What is his position on Palestine?

Neuro
7th December 2011, 12:43 PM
What is his position on Palestine?

Ok I found it:

http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul767.html

Seems reasonable enough!

Ponce
7th December 2011, 02:18 PM
Were you going to vote in the Republicrat Primary?

No where and for no one......as per the past 59 years.......as of yet no one has deserve my WINNING vote, Ron Paul would had been the first one.

osoab
7th December 2011, 02:31 PM
No where and for no one......as per the past 59 years.......as of yet no one has deserve my WINNING vote, Ron Paul would had been the first one.


So you really are Charlie Sheens father. I knew it.

JDRock
7th December 2011, 02:41 PM
..REALLY? ...maybe he'll get more press coverage if he told the truth about the blood-sucking parasites! he's in a minefield-literally! he played it well.

General of Darkness
7th December 2011, 03:09 PM
I will not be voting for anyone........he just lost my vote.

You shouldn't be voting anyway, you're an illegal alien. :)

Cebu_4_2
7th December 2011, 03:23 PM
You got that right!
..REALLY? ...maybe he'll get more press coverage if he told the truth about the blood-sucking parasites! he's in a minefield-literally! he played it well.

Ponce
7th December 2011, 03:57 PM
Just took off my "Ron Poul in 2012" from both sides of the cabin on my truck.......I don't like fence sitter, either you are or you are not.......Ponce's law #26

Libertytree
7th December 2011, 04:27 PM
If Ron Paul spoke the absolute truth about Israel he'd automatically be out of the race, he knows who owns the fed and all the central banks. Thank God his IQ and common sense is several fold higher and more attuned than Putz's.

Cebu_4_2
7th December 2011, 05:13 PM
Well said LT

LuckyStrike
7th December 2011, 05:23 PM
If Ron Paul spoke the absolute truth about Israel he'd automatically be out of the race, he knows who owns the fed and all the central banks. Thank God his IQ and common sense is several fold higher and more attuned than Putz's.

I basically agree with that as well, while being somewhat conflicted. I think all those guys, him, lew rockwell, judge nap etc know the score, they have to, hell most of us know the score and we are far outside. So to me it goes back to "by their fruits you will know them" and RP has worked for more than 3 decades trying to end the central bank and sounding the alarm on the inevitable implosion of the economy, so to me he is working to shut down our greatest enemy.

Like you said, you speak out against them you are done in the sense that you would alienate a large number of people and even many of his newer followers. RP's goal from what I understand has always been to educate people and sometimes you cannot give them the red meat at first, and that is just a fact. For example whenever I am first breaching the subject of 9/11 with someone I don't jump to "5 dancing israelies" "mossad mossad mossad" because that would turn people off, instead I mention WTC 7 and things like that, just to plant the spark and let them do their own research and when we talk again I will mention more.

I have to think RP does the same.

Ponce
7th December 2011, 06:22 PM
I for one believe that if he were to say FUCK THE STATE OF ISRAEL that he would get around 78% of all votes. At this time the American people (as per Germany) are waiting and willing to follow any candidate who would be willing to get America rid of those parasites.........I for one would do it that way and even if I lost the presidency at least I would have planted a bug in the ears of the American people....."Sometimes you have to loose in order to win"........it is not about him but about a free America.

Libertytree
7th December 2011, 07:23 PM
I for one believe that if he were to say FUCK THE STATE OF ISRAEL that he would get around 78% of all votes. At this time the American people (as per Germany) are waiting and willing to follow any candidate who would be willing to get America rid of those parasites.........I for one would do it that way and even if I lost the presidency at least I would have planted a bug in the ears of the American people....."Sometimes you have to loose in order to win"........it is not about him but about a free America.

And you would be WRONG! On so many levels, just plain damn dumb. Run your mouth, flame out and fade away Vs. Stay the course, spread the word about liberty and freedom, the fed, etc..etc..and win an election for POTUS. Wow, helluva choice huh?

Neuro
7th December 2011, 10:27 PM
FUCK THE STATE OF ISRAEL
New car sticker?

Panoptimist
7th December 2011, 10:28 PM
"I hate Putin, but I just love me son Ron Paul."

Ponce
7th December 2011, 10:30 PM
Hey Liberty? look at your signature..........looks to me like if you want to perish with the rest of the baaaaaaa baaaaaaa baaaaaa.

Awoke
8th December 2011, 04:39 AM
I for one believe that if he were to say FUCK THE STATE OF ISRAEL that he would get around 78% of all votes.

You forget that about 70% of the western population is brainwashed into pity for Israel since elementary school. If RP said that, I think 50% of the supporters he has now would leave him. You are a minority, Ponce. We all are. Hardly anyone addresses the jewish/khazar question.

When you stood on the street corner with your "NO USRAEL" sign, did you have 78% of the people support you? No.
Did you have people threaten your health and safety? Yes.

letter_factory
8th December 2011, 06:07 AM
You forget that about 70% of the western population is brainwashed into pity for Israel since elementary school. If RP said that, I think 50% of the supporters he has now would leave him. You are a minority, Ponce. We all are. Hardly anyone addresses the jewish/khazar question.

When you stood on the street corner with your "NO USRAEL" sign, did you have 78% of the people support you? No.
Did you have people threaten your health and safety? Yes.


I lost lots of people I was close with when I Told them israel did 911. We could argue about anything and still be friends, but when I told them israel did 911, they told me to get out. We never spoke again. Oh well. My life has significantly improved, but still, losing friends since high school is a huge change. The thing is, they get that manchurian brainwashing crap drilled into them. "those that bless israel are blessed." It's brainwashing 101! Just keep repeating that phrase from a keystone source, and you can brainwash an entire population, despite the fact that God cursed Israel and poured his wrath on israel many, many times.

How come people don't repeat that israel was destroyed by God many times, by the babylonians, the romans, and egyptians? Cuz they're brainwashing dumb christians....it's classic psy-op brainwashing.

po boy
8th December 2011, 06:51 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Tribes-Today-Steven-Collins/product-reviews/0972584935/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/185-9373023-4527401?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Ponce
8th December 2011, 08:58 AM
By Awoke "When you stood on the street corner with your "NO USRAEL" sign, did you have 78% of the people support you? No.
Did you have people threaten your health and safety? Yes."

One of every five cars did toot their horn...........and I feel safe.......you feel threaten only if you are scared.

First post of the day..........good morning to one and all.

Awoke
8th December 2011, 09:06 AM
One of every five cars did toot their horn...........and I feel safe.......you feel threaten only if you are scared.



::)

Whatever. I guess your area happens to be "anti-semetic" compared to the rest of North America.

Most people would rather pour gasoline on themselves and light it than hear you ever say anything bad about the Jews.

Panoptimist
8th December 2011, 10:26 AM
If you vote you're a sheep. It ain't your system.


I love to see all the Putin bashers in here making all the same arguments on behalf of Ron Paul when he can't even hold a candle to Putin in terms of shit he's actually done to fight the power.

Ponce
8th December 2011, 10:30 AM
Awoke? I really don't know anything about the people in my area because I don't mixed with anyone.....I have been told that about ten miles from here someone else has a sign like mine in their yard........but......I have never seen anyone wearing a bennie hat or dress all in blk like a vampire.

PS: The Zionist "Jews" at our site are coming out of the closet.....or maybe Christian "Jews?".......their voices are getting louder and strongher........BUT I WILL SHOOT THE FUCKERS DOWN.

sirgonzo420
8th December 2011, 10:42 AM
If you vote you're a sheep. It ain't your system.


I love to see all the Putin bashers in here making all the same arguments on behalf of Ron Paul when he can't even hold a candle to Putin in terms of shit he's actually done to fight the power.

Woo woo. Yay Putin!

Panoptimist
8th December 2011, 10:46 AM
Woo woo. Yay Putin!

Really though. I don't idolize the guy or anything, I just don't get all of the hate direct towards him and the Russophobia in general.

I'd like to see Ron Paul win, and I feel that he has a good chance. Then the other side of the picture will have their day and maybe change will come. If not? Doesn't hurt to try I s'pose.

sirgonzo420
8th December 2011, 11:34 AM
Really though. I don't idolize the guy or anything, I just don't get all of the hate direct towards him and the Russophobia in general.

I'd like to see Ron Paul win, and I feel that he has a good chance. Then the other side of the picture will have their day and maybe change will come. If not? Doesn't hurt to try I s'pose.

I'm not pro- or anti- Putin, or Russia for that matter.

I'd like to see Paul win too but I won't be holding my breath.