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Ponce
7th December 2011, 04:31 PM
As far as I am concern we are stealing from the Chinese in many ways......and the ones to suffer the must are its workers........why?......simple, by buying so much from China they were able to "advance" to such a state that they were able to take a peek at the western way of life and in many instances to have a taste of it, and now they are loosing all that and they don't know what to do about it........hummmmmmm, come to think about it, is the same thing that will happen in the US once TSHTF but to a much HIGHER degree and wich in turn will make the whole situation worse than what it should be.

A short story: There was this little gold fish that was living in a five gallons wate tank and was very happy, the owner won the lottery and bought a 50 gallons fish tank for his little gold fish.....the little fish was so happy that he didn't know what to do.....but......one day the water tank sprung a leak and the owner placed the little fish back in his old five gallons fish tank........the golden fish was very unhappy from there on..........and that will be the story of China.
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Analysis: China factory unrest flares as global economy slows.

By James Pomfret

DONGGUAN, China | Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:10am EST

DONGGUAN, China (Reuters) - In factory towns across China's export powerhouse in the Pearl River Delta, a vicious cycle of slowing orders from the West and increasing wage pressures has led to a series of major strikes that could reverberate through the economy.

From shoe and bra factories in the east of Guangdong province, dubbed "China's world factory," to a cluster of watch, sport and electronics plants to the south and west, hundreds, even thousands, of workers have crippled production for major Western brands.

A Reuters team that visited four factory towns in the region this week saw significant signs of industrial strains despite attempts by security guards to block access to workers.

The strains underline recent warnings of a looming export slowdown from a senior Guangdong official and a survey of country-wide industrial activity in November that showed the worst contraction since 2009.

At Yue Yuen Industrial Holdings' (0551.HK) giant shoe factory in Huangjiang town -- a major supplier for sports brand New Balance -- the mood remained tense after most of its 8,000 workers took to the streets on Thursday, blocking roads, overturning cars and clashing with police.

Security guards patrolling the sprawling industrial estate on motorbikes prevented two Reuters correspondents from mingling with workers near a lakeside area ringed by food joints and dormitory blocks, eventually forcing them out.

At least four factory workers who talked to Reuters, including two slurping steaming bowls of chilli noodles in an alley near the factory, said the strike was still simmering into a sixth day, with workers clocking in but refusing to work at assembly line posts.

"We are willing to work but you must also pay us enough to survive," said one of them, a rosy-cheeked woman in a pink jacket. "To guarantee the basic quality of life, even Wen Jiabao has said that," she added, referring to China's premier.

A middle-aged male colleague sitting beside her said: "Even during the financial crisis we didn't see pressure like this."

The shoemaker, one of the world's largest, said the impact was "minor" with its orders still healthy. It conceded, however, that cost pressures, namely wages, were building in regions like Guangdong, where another round of minimum wage hikes on January 1 could deal a further blow to factory owners.

DOMINO EFFECT

Experts and labor advocacy groups warn an external economic slowdown in debt-stricken Europe and countries like the United States could exacerbate the risk of social upheaval in China.

Besides labor disputes, Guangdong province -- a crucial locomotive of China's economic growth with a GDP matching Indonesia's -- has been roiled in recent months by riots over rural land grabs in Lufeng city, and abuse of power several hours drive west in the city of Zengcheng that saw angry crowds ransack government buildings.

A former deputy editor-in-chief of the official party newspaper, the People's Daily, said the number of "mass incidents" in China, an official euphemism for social disorder, was consistently above 90,000 per year from 2007 to 2009.

While strikes are relatively frequent in Chinese factory towns, including a spate of wildcat actions last year that afflicted major global firms like Honda, the current crop of labor unrest comes amid a far darker global economic backdrop and a tight domestic credit environment in China.

Slick, globalised supply chains mean belt-tightening in the West rapidly translates to reduced orders at Chinese factories.

As leaner times provoke aggressive factory cost-cutting and wage trimming, Chinese workers increasingly lashed by persistent inflation are often in no mood to compromise.

In a recent report, consultancy Exclusive Analysis said it sees growing risks of "violent labor unrest" flaring up in Chinese factories and causing property damage and losses, adding: "Real-time use of social media by striking workers and firms' decreased ability to meet workers' demands due to falling Western export demand are likely to drive this violence."

Europe's economic woes, Chinese manufacturing fragility and flat consumer spending in the United States have all raised the risk that the world is headed for a steep downturn.

Donna Kwok, an economist at HSBC, said while the labor unrest might not leave a significant dent on growth so far, "events unfolding in both the Eurozone and the U.S. pose a more serious threat to China's manufacturing sectors, especially if they topple both of China's two top export markets into simultaneous recession."

The Federation of Hong Kong Industries recently warned up to a third of some 50,000 Hong Kong-owned factories in adjoining Guangdong and elsewhere in China could downsize or close by the end of the year, potentially putting at risk hundreds of thousands of migrant worker jobs.

With 150 million Chinese migrant workers now toiling in factories nationwide, there are potentially deep ramifications to any slowdown.

"Massive factory layoffs will lead to increased protests and social turmoil in China's urban and rural areas, spurred on especially by those laid-off factory workers and other migrant laborers particularly marginalized by society," wrote Li Qiang of the U.S.-based labor advocacy group China Labor Watch.

INFLATION

So far, beyond strike zones, labor markets in the smoggy Pearl River Delta factory towns are relatively calm and there is little evidence of mass layoffs or broader unrest breaking out.

Livelihood pressures, however, have been building in migrant worker communities. Rising food prices are a ubiquitous topic of conversation during meals and in dormitory blocks.

The Reuters correspondents in Guangdong repeatedly heard grievances about the trimming of overtime pay and bonuses, which for many workers is crucial to complement basic wages often set at 1,100 yuan ($170) per month -- or just $6 per day.

At the Hong Kong-listed Top Form (0333.HK) bra factory, the strike by hundreds of female factory workers centered on reducing pay on a per-item basis, while striking workers at Jing Mold Electronics Technology in Shajing, a major supplier of keyboards for Apple (AAPL.O), said managers were forcing them to work very late during the week to save paying them double at the weekend.

"The Taiwan bosses are very tight-fisted," said Zeng Yanbing, a worker at the tech company, as police watched him outside the factory. "They don't provide food ... and they've cut back on our benefits."

Zuo Hao, a job recruiter in Dongguan, close to the striking shoe factory, said many plants were forcing workers to take more leave as orders decline, then cutting pay or benefits.

In a family-run noodle diner a stone's throw from the Jing Mold factory, the menu's old prices were scrawled over as rice, flour, chicken and vegetable costs creep ever higher.

"There are a lot less workers eating here now," said Ye Wenji, the 20-year-old son of the owner. "If they don't do overtime, my business here isn't good," he said, pointing out that a dish of mutton noodles was 10 yuan, almost a fifth of the daily wage for some workers.

Were inflation not so acute, some striking workers at the Leader Sporting factory in Songgang, near Shenzhen city, said they wouldn't have fought back as hard over work-linked bonuses that they say mysteriously disappeared from recent pay cheques.

"I don't eat meat to save money now," said a 38-year-old mother of two at the plant, which makes sports goods for U.S.-brand K2 skates. "I just buy vegetables, oil and rice," she told Reuters beside a dusty highway where dozens of others gathered.

"Every little thing matters to us ... We can't afford to be passive anymore," piped up another worker surnamed Liu, as others nodded and pledged to strike again the following day.

($1 = 6.3590 Chinese yuan)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/25/us-china-factory-strikes-idUSTRE7AO04C20111125

Dogman
7th December 2011, 04:38 PM
There will be hell to pay in China, as the worlds economy slows down more and more. All of the new lifestyles and such will evaporate and the people are not going to like it. Then the Gov and army starts cracking heads. They have been riding a good wave that is soon to crash into the rocks.

There will be a time in that country soon that it will not be a good thing to be non Chinese, or even if you are Chinese the shit will hit the fan.

IMHO

JohnWood
7th December 2011, 04:46 PM
The paycheck for their 99 % had not been keeping up with inflation in years past. And they now their export sector is getting killed due to the western financial meltdown. Possible Yuan Revaluation will keep the current pyramid scheme alive for few more years until their Middle class goes bankrupt..Sounds familiar does it not ? Hence history just keeps repeating itself..

Dogman
7th December 2011, 04:55 PM
The paycheck for their 99 % had not been keeping up with inflation in years past. And they now their export sector is getting killed due to the western financial meltdown. Possible Yuan Revaluation will keep the current pyramid scheme alive for few more years until their Middle class goes bankrupt..Sounds familiar does it not ? Hence history just keeps repeating itself.. That maybe true and hold as you say.

They had near 0 middle class, not so many years ago, so there is really no history for the new middle class that has developed in the last decade or so. Wonder if the rich will bug out (If they can, with their loot!) as soon as the writing on the walls becomes clearer? Hope I live long enough, to witness that and a few other things that are brewing now.

osoab
7th December 2011, 05:12 PM
We haven't been stealing from the Chinese.

Their "Dear Leaders" have been raping their population.

chad
7th December 2011, 05:23 PM
china is now going through the equivalent of the industrial revolution that happened in america at the turn of the century. masses of people moving from rural farms to the promise of better life in the city.

if i remember correctly, how it ended up in the united states when things went bad was that we entered in to something called "the war to end all wars."

Ponce
7th December 2011, 05:58 PM
We haven't been stealing from the Chinese.

Their "Dear Leaders" have been raping their population.

Really now, and what do you call when we give them (as an example) $1.00 that now is worth only $0.60 cents because of all the fiat that we have printed?.......talking about one pissed off Cuban, upssssssss I mean Chinese.

As a matter of fact.........I AM ALSO A PISSED OFF CUBAN because all that fiat that I have has also lost $0.40 cents.

Serpo
7th December 2011, 06:18 PM
"Every little thing matters to us ... We can't afford to be passive anymore," piped up another worker surnamed Liu, as others nodded and pledged to strike again the following day.

Now its happening in China ,who would of thought.

Spectrism
7th December 2011, 06:56 PM
Ponce- you really piss me off with your screwed up ideas. We have been stealing from the Chinese? What are you smokin?

Lemme 'splain sumthin to yuh.

America had a fair number of good people who, despite the ever overwhelmingly larger number of evil, were able to structure a nation with godliness in many quarters. It was a place where families could function normally and grow in the grace of God. It was a place where morality and goodness were cherished.

The evil ones have been dismantling the good that was America and part of that plan was overloading the country with foreigners who had no clue about the blessings bestowed on a good nation.

One of the planks to be removed was the manufacturing power of America. Pulling that would destroy the nation's economic welfare. Its bleeding wealth can only go on for so long without the replenishment of people producing value. The corrupt rulers of China got in bed with Kissinger and the global banksters. The plan was to destroy good nations and elevate evil ones. The Chinese, as smart as they are, show their stupidity and lack of wisdom by having their own hollow economy. What in America was a fully rounded and healthy economy is hollowed out by the lack of production. China has a hollow economy because they never unleashed liberty which would develop their internal demand.

I would love to see any discontent Cubans in Amerika take their sorry asses back to Fidel-land.

Dogman
7th December 2011, 07:04 PM
Ponce- you really piss me off with your screwed up ideas. We have been stealing from the Chinese? What are you smokin?

Lemme 'splain sumthin to yuh.

America had a fair number of good people who, despite the ever overwhelmingly larger number of evil, were able to structure a nation with godliness in many quarters. It was a place where families could function normally and grow in the grace of God. It was a place where morality and goodness were cherished.

The evil ones have been dismantling the good that was America and part of that plan was overloading the country with foreigners who had no clue about the blessings bestowed on a good nation.

One of the planks to be removed was the manufacturing power of America. Pulling that would destroy the nation's economic welfare. Its bleeding wealth can only go on for so long without the replenishment of people producing value. The corrupt rulers of China got in bed with Kissinger and the global banksters. The plan was to destroy good nations and elevate evil ones. The Chinese, as smart as they are, show their stupidity and lack of wisdom by having their own hollow economy. What in America was a fully rounded and healthy economy is hollowed out by the lack of production. China has a hollow economy because they never unleashed liberty which would develop their internal demand.

I would love to see any discontent Cubans in Amerika take their sorry asses back to Fidel-land.

Wall-mart pretty much started it, and other company's followed, GE was another big one.

Dogman
7th December 2011, 07:12 PM
We give them a $1.00 that is only worth $0.60 and they give us a lead laden piece of shit plastic worth only $0.20 that falls apart before you open the package.
By my calculation they owe us for every transaction we do with them.

This isn't even taking into account the phony valuation China places on their currency to make all the crap they export seem like a good deal.

Fuck China!


+ 1 Ditto !

Spectrism
7th December 2011, 07:17 PM
Tell the pet owners whose family dogs were poisoned by Chinese good guys just trying to improve the food with melamine, that we are stealing form the Chinese. Yeah... sure. Or the Florida property buyers whose homes were consdtructed with toxic sheet rock from China. And the next time you buy a silver coin and find out it is a fake from China, just remember that you stole that coin from China.

General of Darkness
7th December 2011, 07:22 PM
I keep telling you guys, the Chinks are just slant eyed jews.

As far a Ponce saying we're stealing from the dinks, he's kinda right but wrong at the same time. The dinks are fucking over their own people to their own benefit while producing inferior products that we as consumers buy. The problem is that OUR own people, Amerikwans, have sold us down the river, as the dinks that have done the same thing to their own people.

There is no such thing as kultura in our societies, understanding real right and wrong, helping your fellow man etc.

zap
7th December 2011, 07:25 PM
So is that how we will go to war with China? Iran?

Their government will start cracking down on the people and then we will go to the UN and apply sanctions, then get in there to spread democracy? Thereby elliminating any debt owed to them.

Joe King
7th December 2011, 07:25 PM
There will be hell to pay in China, as the worlds economy slows down more and more. All of the new lifestyles and such will evaporate and the people are not going to like it. Then the Gov and army starts cracking heads. They have been riding a good wave that is soon to crash into the rocks.

There will be a time in that country soon that it will not be a good thing to be non Chinese, or even if you are Chinese the shit will hit the fan.

IMHO

There will be hell to pay here, too. Cheap Chinese labor has been used over the past 20 years to help hide the true rate of inflation.
ie just imagine how expensive everything would be if we still made all our own stuff. If China ever truly takes a dump and we can't get nearly as much cheap imported goods all of a sudden, expect prices to go through the roof on virtually everything.

If things keep going as is, I'd expect a much higher rate of inflation by this time next year. Even as measured by the gov.

Dogman
7th December 2011, 07:32 PM
There will be hell to pay here, too. Cheap Chinese labor has been used over the past 20 years to help hide the true rate of inflation.
ie just imagine how expensive everything would be if we still made all our own stuff. If China ever truly takes a dump and we can't get nearly as much cheap imported goods all of a sudden, expect prices to go through the roof on virtually everything.

If things keep going as is, I'd expect a much higher rate of inflation by this time next year. Even as measured by the gov. Agree!

General of Darkness
7th December 2011, 08:21 PM
This should be PM positive, that's for fucking sure.

Spectrism
7th December 2011, 08:22 PM
There is more to the story than just not buying Chinese garbage. They have been given the bulk of our manufacturing capability and technology. It is a mortal wound to America. This is the physical consequence of a spiritual failure.

Joe King
7th December 2011, 08:23 PM
What the hell did we do before all that cheap China crap was available?
We made it ourselves, that's what, and people were working and made a decent wage they could live on which meant they would buy things made by the guy across the street which means he made money and so on.How much "money" creation has been engaged in since then? Have we really seen the price inflation effects from it? I'd say we haven't.
Look at the difference between prices now and 1990 and the difference between prices from 1970 to 1990. It's night and day difference. One of the ways to off-set price inflation due to a fiscally irresponsible gov/fed is to enter into partnerships with countries like China in order to allow off-shoring of labor.

Why do you think Henry Nixon went to China? Because the leaders of our keynesian system saw this coming 40 years ago and knew what steps needed to be taken in order to keep the bs system going.
ie fostered agreements with China as a cheap labor source.

Look at all the stuff people buy in almost all the stores. If all that stuff had to be made here at $10-$15-$20 an hour labor, everything would be multiple times more expensive than it is now. Yet your wages would be nearly the same.



Cheap Chink labor has been used for nothing more then to move money out of this country into another.

If China all of a sudden said they aren't shipping one more piece of shit anything to the U.S. everything would go up in price until companies here started to manufacture our own goods which would result in a hell of a lot of people needing to be hired which would be the only true stimulus package this country needs. Yep, and just think how much more everything will cost because of it, too.
ie people will go to work for current wages and find themselves unable to purchase the stuff they're making.



Right now people buy the Cheap China Crap because of two reasons
#1 It is all that is available because we have allowed the corporations to move all the manufacturing elsewhere.
#2 It is all people who have No Job can afford.

Fuck ChinaWhat about before all the people got layed off? They were barely making ends meet then when they still bought cheap imported stuff. Had all that stuff been made here, it'd have been 3 times as expensive and price inflation would have been all too apparent.
ie China has provided cover for our gov to "print" "money" out the wazoo.




Edited to add:


There is more to the story than just not buying Chinese garbage. They have been given the bulk of our manufacturing capability and technology. It is a mortal wound to America. This is the physical consequence of a spiritual failure.
It's kinda hard to off-shore production without showing those you are off-shoring to, how to build your stuff, now is it?
...but the leaders that set this all up were mostly supported by the people at the time and were mostly left to their own devices. Gets back to the fact that a willfully ignorant populace won't be free for long.

Ponce
7th December 2011, 10:27 PM
You guys are something else.........WE GAVE CHINA THE WEAPONS TO SHOOT US DOWN WITH.........and now you bitch about it?

Whose idea was about this one way international trading?, why are so many US companies moving overseas? who keeps on "borowing" mony from China?...............you can blame 1= the education system in the US.....2= the US government.....3= the greedy unions in the US......4= the Zionist "Jews"......and now for the BIG ONE, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU AND YOU, China make "crap" and you paid for it because that crap is no longer made in the US.

How about theirs cars.....there is a Japanes car that is made in Japan and in the US and the one made in the US are always breaking down, I even saw the logo on a car that was put on backwards.

About leaving the US......if I could sell my home ,and all that I own, and transfer the money overseas and take my silver and gold................you danm right I would do it, but as you all should know by now.....we are all prisoners of the system...............oh yeah, and keep on recieving my Social Security check, this is only to pissed you guys off :)

Spectrism
8th December 2011, 05:20 AM
You still here Ponce? I didn't know that Fidelisimo allowed internet access.

Hey- ain't you one big ball of IFs? If I can sell my house... IF I can keep my social security.... IF I can ship my toilet paper...

If you think we are cheating China, then tell us how much you are giving them to make it fair. When you buy Chinese crap in the big town, do you give them a little extra so that the slave working 12 hours of hard labor can earn more? Maybe you make trips to China and visit the sweat shops and man-machine factories to return some of that wealth YOU stole from them?

Awoke
8th December 2011, 06:21 AM
I can't speak for the rest of North America, but I stopped knowingly buying Chinese goods a long time ago.

chad
8th December 2011, 06:48 AM
As did I. All of it breaks. Wrenches shouldn't bust in half, flashlights should work longer than one day. My dads office bought a zone heater for $200, lasted 3 weeks. As an avid outdoorsman, I pictured all of that cheap shit just going in to the landfill, people dump it out in the woods, etc. I'll buy it if it's madi in th US, Canada, or Europe.

po boy
8th December 2011, 06:57 AM
I'm a cheap sob so I buy used tools a garage sales, craigslist, classified ads. Lots of good deals.

Last air compressor from china harbor freight lasted less than 1 yr, bought one used and has been working fine for the last 4+.

Spectrism
8th December 2011, 08:13 AM
I once bought a Swiss Army knife... knockoff. I tried using the corkscrew tool to open a bottle of wine. The metal screw unwound as if it was made of lead or aluminum! Then I noticed the famous words: Made In China.

I had a screw driver... tried to turn a screw and a pice of metal flaked off. It was a coating on the screwdriver. Then the tip broke. Made In China.

I got a cheap pair of channel lock pliers from a Job Lot store. Real bargain. When I tried to use it, the channels would not lock. Totally worthless. Made In China.

I would not be surprised if there is some Chinese government program set up to ensure that only garbage is exported to Amerika.

PlatinumBlonde
8th December 2011, 10:23 AM
As did I. All of it breaks. Wrenches shouldn't bust in half, flashlights should work longer than one day. My dads office bought a zone heater for $200, lasted 3 weeks. As an avid outdoorsman, I pictured all of that cheap shit just going in to the landfill, people dump it out in the woods, etc. I'll buy it if it's madi in th US, Canada, or Europe.

That's why I shop at Goodwill and Thrift-town for bonafide Made in USA stainless steel and castiron cookware and kitchen utensils..