Priest Says Hell Is Fake And Religion Is About Control

[General of Darkness]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYPmGKzFYOw

[po boy]

Nice find General.

Hell is the dirt and there is three resections the best will come up in the first, the worst won't make any and will be destroyed in the lake of fire not tortured for eternity.

[Spectrism]

That guy is a POS liar and deceiver. All are welcome to have their own opinion. Just be careful who you trust with your life.

Anyone else notice the hypocritical irony: he says all religion is a control system... and he is chief among them.

[iOWNme]

That guy is a POS liar and deceiver.


So Hell is in the Bible? Can you please give me the Chapter and verse?

[Awoke]

OLD testament examples:

Numbers 16:30 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=4&ch=16&l=30#x)
But if the Lord do a new thing, and the earth opening her mouth swallow them down, and all things that belong to them, and they go down alive into hell, you shall know that they have blasphemed the Lord.
6Numbers 16:33 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=4&ch=16&l=33#x)
And they went down alive into hell the ground closing upon them, and they perished from among the people.
7Deuteronomy 32:22 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=5&ch=32&l=22#x)
A fire is kindled in my wrath, and shall burn even to the lowest hell: and shall devour the earth with her increase, and shall burn the foundations of the mountains.



NEW Testament examples

Matthew 5:22 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=5&l=22#x)
But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
2Matthew 5:29 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=5&l=29#x)
And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.
3Matthew 5:30 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=5&l=30#x)
And if thy right hand scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.
4Matthew 10:28 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=10&l=28#x)
And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.


Matthew 23:33 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=33#x)
You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?






There are many more examples.

You would probably be able to find a "Priest" that says it's OK to have sex with animals and children too.

I think it's obvious that any priest that goes against the fundamentals layed out by Jesus Christ is an Anti-Christ Khazar crypto-talmudist. (I'm really surprised that you didn't make this observation, General.)


Jude warns us of the anti-christs that come from within the Church itself, and that warning was given almost two thousand years ago.

[Celtic Rogue]

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[Awoke]

Sui Juris:

www.drbo.org (http://www.drbo.org)

Type "Hell" in the search box. Hit enter.

[Spectrism]

So Hell is in the Bible? Can you please give me the Chapter and verse?

You are kidding, right? Here are just a few.


Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.


Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Psa 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Eze 31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.


Mat 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mat 23:33Yeserpents,yegeneration of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Rev 1:18I amhe that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

[Awoke]

My DRBO search came up with 110 results.

[JDRock]

in FACT, Christ talked more about the specifics of hell than he did about heaven!....worms...darkness...torment ...flame...and after 7 million EONS, you havnt even begun to serve your sentence...

[Spectrism]

I will go a step further. That "priest" is owned by the devil. He is resolute in his preaching of lies for his father, the father of lies. He is worse than Obama because he pretends to be teaching spiritual matters.

[joboo]

At no point in history has anything religious actually been validated outside of a belief of someone all knowing invisible entity that has supreme magical powers, so really it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Aging men, in order to maintain control over the younger men who would seek to take their power away, in villages, societies, etc around the world turned the village against them according to almighty laws.

Old men cannot physically repel the younger, stonger upcomings, so conventions were created that threatened disbelievers with the most horrific fate imaginable, while at the same time elevating themselves to untouchable holy status. Through this they were able to retain their power while being old and feeble, but smarter.

Coincidence the govt was the church? and Priests had huge influence on Kings and Queens? Not coincidence. Fear is a good motivator.

Play along, everything is beyond awesome (heaven, ultimate reward). Don't play along, and you will suffer eternally. Those that were not swayed by this were either killed or imprisoned by those that did believe. Problem solved.

[Spectrism]

Nice try at preaching your belief system but as you said, it is only in the eye of the beholder.

One thing that makes your belief system different from mine is that mine explains why mankind is corrupt and provides the only reconciliation with perfection for humankind. Yours just watches people live and die corrupt little lives.

Further confusing you is your inability to distinguish between religion and spiritual truth.

[Awoke]

I feel sad Joboo, that you have not seen the Lord work in your life.

I asked him to show me, and he showed me through making specific things happen that could not have happened without his intervention. You should try it. The only catch is, you have to be sincere.

[joboo]

Nice try at preaching your belief system but as you said, it is only in the eye of the beholder.

One thing that makes your belief system different from mine is that mine explains why mankind is corrupt and provides the only reconciliation with perfection for humankind. Yours just watches people live and die corrupt little lives.

Further confusing you is your inability to distinguish between religion and spiritual truth.

Spiritual truth should be one's one, not what someone tells you is reality.

Established is a distinct societal control system invented by man. Proof of it is everywhere throughout history around the world. That in itself speaks for itself.

So hell is fake or real, how do you know it's real? Where is it? Nobody knows.

Eternal suffering in hell is an imaginary construct, and the only "proof" of it's existence are words on pages in a heavily edited book by these same men seeking to preserve their power in society. Interesting coincidence. Priests were simply politicians of the day.

[freespirit]

I feel sad Joboo, that you have not seen the Lord work in your life.

I asked him to show me, and he showed me through making specific things happen that could not have happened without his intervention. You should try it. The only catch is, you have to be sincere.

+1...

[Awoke]

Eternal suffering in hell is an imaginary construct

Where is your proof that it doesn't exist?

It has always and will always come down to one thing: Faith.

No one can prove that God does or does not exist. But people who have faith, or sincerely ask God to come into their lives, they are shown in countless ways that non-believers could never fathom.

I personally have died and enjoyed a NDE, but I can't share details of it because my circumstances are extremely unique and it would definitely confirm my identity to the dataminers on this site.
If you believe me or not is your decision, but I will say there is conciousness after death, and there are gates.

[joboo]

I feel sad Joboo, that you have not seen the Lord work in your life.

I asked him to show me, and he showed me through making specific things happen that could not have happened without his intervention. You should try it. The only catch is, you have to be sincere.

I don't need to have ancient ultimatums imposed on me as whether I get to go to heaven or am banished to suffer hell to live my life by, and that there's someone always watching what I do judging me at every moment.

To me this is a form of madness. It's devised by man to control people's actions. I know right from wrong, and I trust in myself in what is right or wrong, and what can open doors for me, or help me.

[undgrd]

I have to side with joboo on this one. Summed up pretty well how I feel.

[Awoke]

To each their own.

All I am saying is that while you demand proof for one arguement, you can not provide it for your own argument.

God has His own plan for you. Not my business.

[iOWNme]

OLD testament examples:

Numbers 16:30 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=4&ch=16&l=30#x)
But if the Lord do a new thing, and the earth opening her mouth swallow them down, and all things that belong to them, and they go down alive into hell, you shall know that they have blasphemed the Lord.
6Numbers 16:33 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=4&ch=16&l=33#x)
And they went down alive into hell the ground closing upon them, and they perished from among the people.
7Deuteronomy 32:22 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=5&ch=32&l=22#x)
A fire is kindled in my wrath, and shall burn even to the lowest hell: and shall devour the earth with her increase, and shall burn the foundations of the mountains.



NEW Testament examples

Matthew 5:22 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=5&l=22#x)
But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
2Matthew 5:29 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=5&l=29#x)
And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.
3Matthew 5:30 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=5&l=30#x)
And if thy right hand scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell.
4Matthew 10:28 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=10&l=28#x)
And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.


Matthew 23:33 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=23&l=33#x)
You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?






There are many more examples.

You would probably be able to find a "Priest" that says it's OK to have sex with animals and children too.

I think it's obvious that any priest that goes against the fundamentals layed out by Jesus Christ is an Anti-Christ Khazar crypto-talmudist. (I'm really surprised that you didn't make this observation, General.)


Jude warns us of the anti-christs that come from within the Church itself, and that warning was given almost two thousand years ago.

I should have clarified:

Nowhere does it say that you will go to hell if you do not go along with organized religion. That was my point. I know the actual 'word' is mentioned.

This is what is used to keep people in line, instead of them actually LIVING their life through the words of Christ, they 'attempt' to live Holy; not because it is thr right thing to do, but because they 'fear' going to Hell.....

[Spectrism]

I don't need to have ancient ultimatums imposed on me as whether I get to go to heaven or am banished to suffer hell to live my life by, and that there's someone always watching what I do judging me at every moment.

To me this is a form of madness. It's devised by man to control people's actions. I know right from wrong, and I trust in myself in what is right or wrong, and what can open doors for me, or help me.

Ancient ultimatums (God's laws) say that when you step off a cliff, you will fall. They say that whenwater is cooled below 32F at sea level, the water will freeze. They say that man will not live forever in this flesh. But you don't need to have those silly things imposed on you. You are above God's laws because in your mind God does not exist.

In science, I learned that life does not spontaneously originate. Until recently, it was good science to say that a vessel which is sealed and has no life therein, cannot have life unless the seal is broken. Today, however, "science" claims that life spontaneously generates thereby bringing order into a disorderly system. Without evidence, "science" has stated this because many educated fools refuse to accept that there is a Creator of life.

You see, LIFE is your dilemma. You have no way to explain the existence of life without accepting some man's religion. The current secualr humanist religion (yours) states that millions of years are the creator of life.

Everything in this universe follows the laws of thermodynamics, EXCEPT life.

Those who ignore truth are not free but enslaved by their willful ignorance.

[Awoke]

I should have clarified:

Nowhere does it say that you will go to hell if you do not go along with organized religion.

I have discussed this so many times that I am fatigued with it.

There was no organized Christianity on earth until well after Christ died.

All he taught was for us to Love the Father and love each other.

The ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY Churches that met the approval of Jesus Christ are the Church of Smyrna and Philadelphia. See my post #14 in this thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54629-church-observation&p=465224&viewfull=1#post465224) for details on this.

[Awoke]

This post is for you Sui.
I'm posting this becuase you basically asked "WHere does it say you will go to hell?"
These are just choice examples. There are many.

After this, I will be done discussing this, because I don't want to sound preachy. (Unless someone engages me specifically for more discussion)





[42] And if thy hand scandalize thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life, maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into unquenchable fire:

[43] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=48&ch=9&l=43#x) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not extinguished.







[31] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=31#x) And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.

[32] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=32#x) And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:

[33] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=33#x) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

[34] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=34#x) Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

[35] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=35#x) For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

[36] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=36#x) Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.

[37] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=37#x) Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink?

[38] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=38#x) And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee?

[39] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=39#x) Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?

[40] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=40#x) And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

[41] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=25&l=41#x) Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.




and from the only book of Prophesy in the New Testament, Apocalypse, AKA Revelation:





[11] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=73&ch=20&l=11#x) And I saw a great white throne, and one sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled away, and there was no place found for them.

[12] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=73&ch=20&l=12#x) And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

[13] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=73&ch=20&l=13#x) And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.

[14] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=73&ch=20&l=14#x) And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death.


[15] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=73&ch=20&l=15#x) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.



EDIT to add that if you pay attention to the first quote I put up and read the whole thing, the message is simply put: Treat others with kindness and love, and you are essentially an agent of heaven.

Do not treat others with kindness and love, and the Lord has no time for you.

There is NOTHING IN THERE about bowing down and submitting to old political serpents, and swearing fealty to the pope or any other church aristocracy.

Christ's message is simple. Love everyone, and worship the Father exclusively.

It is man (Through lucifers influence) that twists everything up and makes good a good intended faith into something used for control, causing people to hate it.

[Dogman]

Yep, good way for the few to control the many. Been going on for ages..

[Awoke]

You obviously didn't read a single word of that post. Especially my edit at the end.

[Dogman]

Yep, good way for the few to control the many. Been going on for ages..


You obviously didn't read a single word of that post. Especially my edit at the end. Not sure who you were responding to?

My post was in response to the op vid.

[Awoke]

Apologies to you, Dogman.

[JDRock]

listen folks, face it organized religion is messed up.. God, is alive and awesome! in fact Christ was MURDERED by organized religion!
i think anyone comparing Christ to organized religion, is EXACTLY like somone trying to compare todays bloated whoredom called the federal government, with what the founding fathers had intended!

[k-os]

listen folks, face it organized religion is messed up.. God, is alive and awesome! in fact Christ was MURDERED by organized religion!
i think anyone comparing Christ to organized religion, is EXACTLY like somone trying to compare todays bloated whoredom called the federal government, with what the founding fathers had intended!

This is exactly how I feel. Organized religion is about control. Christ's message was beautiful, and clear: Love one another. I am sorry that I don't KNOW that he's the son of God, but I know he was a really cool, peaceful dude, and that's enough for me right now. I don't need religion to tell me what is right and wrong. I know it. I always know that what I am doing is right or wrong. Absent some kind of retardation, I believe everyone else knows too.

[Half Sense]

Nice try at preaching your belief system but as you said, it is only in the eye of the beholder.

One thing that makes your belief system different from mine is that mine explains why mankind is corrupt and provides the only reconciliation with perfection for humankind. Yours just watches people live and die corrupt little lives.

Further confusing you is your inability to distinguish between religion and spiritual truth.

All these religious converts must really be sick twisted people - why else would they need forgiveness?

I think I'll just go ahead and skip both the evil and the saving myself from evil.

[po boy]

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[Herbicidal]

For those of you who want to know how God could possibly torture for eternity those that commit finite crimes. How can the creator condemn his own creations. How can a God who is love, is perfect in justice, whose mercies endure forever, possibly subject the majority of man to a never ending torture system, that makes waterboarding look like nothing in comparison. If we are all God's children and those are the attributes of God, how could God torture his own children. Could you torture your own kids. Anyways for those of you that want to understand this subject here is a website with thousands of pages of info on the topic.

http://www.tentmaker.org