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midnight rambler
9th December 2011, 08:29 AM
That's right folks, if you don't perceive that you're lying, then you're not. If you can change the perception of others that you're not lying, then you're golden.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/lying-holder-says-has-do-your-state-mind_611731.html

midnight rambler
9th December 2011, 08:35 AM
Note my signature, apparently Holder has been getting tutoring from Henry.

Spectrism
9th December 2011, 08:39 AM
You can't hold me accountable for anything because no matter what I say regardless of facts known by me, I never intend to commit perjury or mislead. Therefore, I never lie.

Hermie
9th December 2011, 08:43 AM
"Well it depends on what the meaning of "is" is...."

-Disbarred lawyer and impeached former president Willie Clinton

osoab
9th December 2011, 08:53 AM
That's right folks, if you don't perceive that you're lying, then you're not. If you can change the perception of others that you're not lying, then you're golden.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/lying-holder-says-has-do-your-state-mind_611731.html

I guess Blago wasn't good at convincing.

PatColo
9th December 2011, 09:21 AM
reminds me of this guy's claims,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak

MNeagle
9th December 2011, 09:22 AM
Thanks PC, exactly what first came to my mind as well.

Spectrism
9th December 2011, 09:47 AM
Wow... I don't recall seeing that Rosenblat story. Whatta scumbag! No money motivation? Well I like that. He can send me the profits.

Hatha Sunahara
9th December 2011, 09:59 AM
So the conclusion is 'The meaning of lying is whatever we want it to be'?


Hatha

mightymanx
9th December 2011, 10:00 AM
Thanks Eric for a recap on the Sociopath viewpoint when it comes to lying.

mamboni
9th December 2011, 10:15 AM
Oh oh, I get it!!!! So like, if you steal $1.2 billion but convince everyone that you didn't steal it becuase you didn't feel like you were stealing and you didn't intend to break any laws and you didn't intend for it to happen so if it happened because you approved of it it really isn't your fault because you never really intended for it to happen, right?

Where's Jon Corzine, proud graduate of A.S.S. College*** and classmate of Bill Clinton ("it depends on the meaning of 'is'") and Eric ("I didn't lie because I didn't feel that I was lying") Holder?

***A.S.S. College, Advanced Sociopath Studies College

keehah
9th December 2011, 10:24 AM
So the conclusion is 'The meaning of lying is whatever we want it to be'?

Hatha

http://www.reoiv.com/images/random/droids.JPG

Spectrism
9th December 2011, 10:25 AM
Yeah, that's the ticket.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkdtp9HNG31qja3h5o1_500.jpg


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkqe4x_saturday-night-live-jon-lovitz-as-tommy-flanagan_fun

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkqe4x_saturday-night-live-jon-lovitz-as-tommy-flanagan_fun

Golden
9th December 2011, 10:40 AM
"you can't hold me accountable for anything because no matter what i say regardless of facts known by me, i never intend to commit perjury or mislead. Therefore, i never lie."

QFLOL

BillBoard
9th December 2011, 10:49 AM
George Costanza: "Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it. "

TheNocturnalEgyptian
9th December 2011, 10:51 AM
I am starting to think that there is no truth. You can never be right. But you can certainly be LESS WRONG.

mamboni
9th December 2011, 11:26 AM
I am starting to think that there is no truth. You can never be right. But you can certainly be LESS WRONG.

There is a basic truth: that when the people misplace their trust, become complacent and allow themselves to get screwed, robbed, insulted and exploited, there is no shortage of conscienseless sociopathic silver-tongued bastards ready to take advantage of the situation. The cure for assholes like Corzine and Holder is a mad-as-hell public and a guillotine.

keehah
9th December 2011, 11:30 AM
You can never be right. But you can certainly be LESS WRONG.
Not Holder?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/09/attorney-general-holder-vows-not-to-quit-in-gun-sting-case/

Near the end of the more-than-five-hour hearing, Issa pressed again on the documents, saying Holder would be in contempt of Congress unless he gave a constitutional reason for holding them back.

When Holder demurred again, Issa said, “That’s how John Mitchell responded.”

Holder replied: “The reference to John Mitchell, let’s think about that … . Have you no shame?”

Issa shot back: “Have you no shame?”

iOWNme
9th December 2011, 11:36 AM
This is 100% a Communist ideology.

The idea that there is no moral absolute. That what i do is either right/wrong depending on my intentions. That there is no God, that there is nothing except for material things: The Theory of Dialectical Materialism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism)

If i was to injure another man out of my own anger or personal gain, that would be immoral. But if i were to injure the man for the goodness of mankind, that would be moral.

Materialism asserts the primacy of the material world: In short, matter precedes thought.

It isnt what my actions are, its what my intentions were. Right?

WRONG. Morals and Justice are absolute, they DO NOT bend. They do not change with the majority's whim. They cant be changed by 51%. They are commanded by the Creator, and are eternal absolutes.

This is EXACTLY what we were all taught through the Public School system. (10th Plank, Communist Manifesto)

sirgonzo420
9th December 2011, 11:40 AM
I am starting to think that there is no truth. You can never be right. But you can certainly be LESS WRONG.

The Truth, Absolutely speaking, is the way It Is.

StreetsOfGold
9th December 2011, 11:43 AM
Once you have gotten rid of what God said, something else will attempt to fill the gap.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Clear enough? That's called LYING and ALL liars shall have their part in the lake of fire (without a payment for that sin, of course)

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Horn
9th December 2011, 12:14 PM
Lady GaGa can't go to hell... too righteous.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laIr_d0hFB8

joboo
9th December 2011, 12:35 PM
reminds me of this guy's claims,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak

There's something inherently disgusting about that couple. Buddy is still habitually lying in the video about him lying.

Pathologically lying to extort money for personal gain. I'm seeing a clear trend on that side of the fence.

mightymanx
19th December 2011, 12:32 PM
Must be getting close to the truth, the name calling has begun.




http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/19/justice-dept-silent-as-holder-charges-critics-with-racism/



Justice Dept silent as Holder charges critics with racism (http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/19/justice-dept-silent-as-holder-charges-critics-with-racism/)



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http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2011/12/Eric-Holder-v.-Neil-Munro-300x200.jpg (http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2011/12/Eric-Holder-v.-Neil-Munro.jpg)WASHINGTON, DC - NOVEMBER 29: U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder (2nd L)) points his finger as he talks to a member of the press at the end of an event to launch a campaign to combat the purchase and sale of counterfeit and pirated products November 29, 2011 at the South Court Auditorium of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building of the White House in Washington, DC. According to a news release from the Department of Justice, the campaign will educate the public on various forms of intellectual property theft, from counterfeit consumer goods and pharmaceuticals to illegal downloads and other pirated materials, with highlight on the potential health, safety and economic consequences for American citizens. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)






Attorney General Eric Holder accused his growing chorus of critics of racist motivations in a Sunday interview published in the New York Times. When reached by The Daily Caller Monday morning, the Department of Justice provided no evidence to support the attorney general’s claims.
Holder said some unspecified faction — what he refers to as the “more extreme segment” — is driven to criticize both him and President Barack Obama due to the color of their skin. Holder did not appear to elaborate on who he considered to make up the “more extreme segment.”
“This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” Holder said, according to the Times. “Both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”
The White House hasn’t returned requests for comment on whether President Barack Obama agrees with his top law enforcement officer’s allegations of racial motivations.
Holder’s accusations come as resignation calls mount from a growing list of 60 congressmen (http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/19/members-of-congress-calling-for-attorney-general-eric-holders-immediate-resignation/), two senators, every major Republican presidential candidate and two sitting governors, spurred on by the congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious.
Additionally, seventy-five congressmen have signed onto (http://gosar.house.gov/75MembersExpressNoConfidence) a House resolution for a vote of “no confidence” in Holder as attorney general. Between the two lists, there are 86 total in the House who no longer trust Holder to head the Department of Justice.
It’s not the first time the race card has come into play in efforts to protect Holder from criticism.
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Most recently, during a December 8 House Judiciary Committee hearing into Fast and Furious where Holder was testifying, Georgia Democratic Rep. Hank Johnson argued that (http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/09/congressman-attempts-to-transfer-fast-and-furious-blame-onto-nra-radicals-the-senate-holder-obliges/) Fast and Furious wasn’t that big of a scandal because “white supremacists,” among others he described, were able to purchase weapons at “gun shows.” Johnson, who was concerned Guam may “tip over and capsize” if more military personnel are sent there, later told TheDC that he thinks the tea party movement and the National Rifle Association “manufactured” Fast and Furious as a scandal to try to attack the president.
The White House hasn’t denounced Johnson’s rhetoric, nor has Holder. The Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), however, wouldn’t side (http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/12/congressional-black-caucus-splits-over-fast-and-furious-eric-holder/) with him — even unofficially — last week. (RELATED: Rifts in Congressional Black Caucus over Fast and Furious, Holder) (http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/12/congressional-black-caucus-splits-over-fast-and-furious-eric-holder/)
Fast and Furious was a program of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, overseen by Holder’s DOJ. It sent thousands of weapons to Mexican drug cartels via straw purchasers — people who legally purchased guns in the United States with the known intention of illegally trafficking them somewhere else.
At least 300 people in Mexico were killed with Fast and Furious weapons, as was Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. The identities of the Mexican victims are unknown.
Holder has said he was unaware of the operation, despite having been sent several personal memos from his top deputies and assistants. The memos contained intimate details of how Operation Fast and Furious worked. “This investigation [Fast and Furious, which is named earlier in the memo] — initiated in September 2009 in conjunction with the Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Phoenix Police Department — involves a Phoenix-based firearms trafficking ring headed by Manuel Celis-Acosta,” one such memo that Holder was provided reads. “Celis-Acosta and straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug-trafficking cartels. They also have direct ties to the Sinaloa Cartel, which is suspected of providing $1 million for the purchase of firearms in the greater Phoenix area.”
In his Times interview, Holder again attacked the media who are covering the scandal. “Mr. Holder contended that many of his other critics — not only elected Republicans but also a broader universe of conservative commentators and bloggers — were instead playing ‘Washington gotcha’ games, portraying them as frequently ‘conflating things, conveniently leaving some stuff out, construing things to make it seem not quite what it was’ to paint him and other department figures in the worst possible light,” Times reporter Charlie Savage wrote in the front page Sunday Times story.
Holder also attacked the media for covering the Fast and Furious scandal. Holder swiped at TheDC (http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/29/holder-lashes-out-at-the-daily-caller-while-refusing-to-address-growing-calls-for-his-resignation/) in late November, alleging that The Daily Caller is “behind” the calls for his resignation because it has been reporting on the subject.
“You guys need to — you need to stop this,” Holder told TheDC at a White House event. “It’s not an organic thing that’s just happening. You guys are behind it.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/19/justice-dept-silent-as-holder-charges-critics-with-racism/#ixzz1h0x4aj3k