Local sheriff calls in Predator drone as 'backup' from USAF

[midnight rambler]

This is seriously fucked up.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-drone-arrest-20111211%2C0%2C324348.story

[osoab]

As the unmanned aircraft circled 2 miles overhead the next morning, sophisticated sensors under the nose helped pinpoint the three suspects and showed they were unarmed. Police rushed in and made the first known arrests of U.S. citizens with help from a Predator, the spy drone that has helped revolutionize modern warfare.

They also don't call them out for every call. So I guess I should feel better.

Now why are they promoting this in ND?

[General of Darkness]

The sheriff sounds like a pussy looking for cows.

Reporting from Washington—
Armed with a search warrant, Nelson County Sheriff Kelly Janke went looking for six missing cows on the Brossart family farm in the early evening of June 23. Three men brandishing rifles chased him off, he said.

Janke knew the gunmen could be anywhere on the 3,000-acre spread in eastern North Dakota. Fearful of an armed standoff, he called in reinforcements from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances and deputy sheriffs from three other counties.

He also called in a Predator B drone.

[General of Darkness]

Here's the pussy.

http://www.michigannd.com/vertical/Sites/%7B87BB3D08-45CF-4389-8C2E-764810C2B947%7D/uploads/%7B89C911BC-4424-4FBA-93CB-103D1B09D6E9%7D.JPG

[osoab]

Nice mustache!

[Horn]

Dude, thats way more resolution than I needed...Scarlip.

[Dogman]

Looks gay!

[General of Darkness]

I wonder if they found the COWS?

[osoab]

I wonder if they found the COWS?

I bet this is close

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G8SkBNFvgM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G8SkBNFvgM

[midnight rambler]

Way back when (and it wasn't that long ago, like 30 years) when folks respected peace officers, a SINGLE deputy could have handled the problem.

So frankly, 'officers of the law' need to reflect upon why folks no longer respect them. (hint: maybe it's because they've become strictly debt collectors with guns for the corporate state)

[Blink]

They also don't call them out for every call. So I guess I should feel better.

Now why are they promoting this in ND?

Different states offer different promotions. Tenn. gets inland TSA checkpoints, Cali gets forced childrens vaccinations, ND gets the drones.......... Test markets, thats all they are.

[Ponce]

Until proven otherwise..........we are all terrorists........it will be in the US as in Iraq, state of Israel, Afgha and other places, they will make terrorist out of us all.

[Tumbleweed]

There's not enough information here to really know what was going on. It sounds to me like a neighbor of the Brosserts thought his cattle were somewhere on the Brosserts land and they wouldn't let him look for them. They probably told him his cows weren't on their land. The neighbor called the sherriff to come and look for them. This is just a guess but things like this happen. The sherriff is a pussy and calls in all kinds of help. I don't know what brandishing guns means but it just could be carrying them when they confronted the sherriff about why he was on their land.

The part I don't like is how the government has so much power over the people of this country. There is no privacy or safety from those who control the police and military with all the tools the government has to use against us. We can be hunted down and destroyed just like people in Afganistan with ease.

[gunDriller]

Looks gay!

looks scared !

[osoab]

I'm thinking this was "Operation Christmas OT".


Janke knew the gunmen could be anywhere on the 3,000-acre spread in eastern North Dakota. Fearful of an armed standoff, he called in reinforcements from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances and deputy sheriffs from three other counties.

He also called in a Predator B drone.

[gunDriller]

Janke knew the gunmen could be anywhere on the 3,000-acre spread in eastern North Dakota. Fearful of an armed standoff, he called in reinforcements from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances and deputy sheriffs from three other counties.
He also called in a Predator B drone.

how to disable a drone that is being used for unlawful & un-constitutional purposes -
1. below a certain altitude, i'm thinking a drone is vulnerable to a heat-sinking missile.
2. i wonder if a good rifleman with a good rifle and a good scope can prevent a drone from causing harm to US civilians.
3. if you can find out the radio control frequencies, for example using a spectrum analyzer and some good antenna's, you are one step towards preventing the drone from causing harm to US civilians.

[Blink]

There's not enough information here to really know what was going on. It sounds to me like a neighbor of the Brosserts thought his cattle were somewhere on the Brosserts land and they wouldn't let him look for them. They probably told him his cows weren't on their land. The neighbor called the sherriff to come and look for them. This is just a guess but things like this happen. The sherriff is a pussy and calls in all kinds of help. I don't know what brandishing guns means but it just could be carrying them when they confronted the sherriff about why he was on their land.

The part I don't like is how the government has so much power over the people of this country. There is no privacy or safety from those who control the police and military with all the tools the government has to use against us. We can be hunted down and destroyed just like people in Afganistan with ease.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/100481.html

[mightymanx]

Missed it by a few years but...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DQsG3TKQ0I

[midnight rambler]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/100481.html

Here's the key to all this:


The CBP’s drone fleet, significantly, is described as a counter-terrorism asset. According to the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a self-appointed leftist watchdog group, Brossart’s family received special attention because Sheriff Janke “knew the Brossarts were followers of another Lakota resident, Roger Elvick, one of the original gurus of the bizarre but remarkably resilient sovereign citizens movement.”

[Tumbleweed]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/100481.html

East of the Missouri River there are no brand laws. West of the River cattle are hot iron branded and cattle can be inspected for ownership by brand inspectors. All Ranchers west of the river brand their cattle to prove ownership but most farmers don't and especialy east of the river. These cattle must not have been branded and that is probably the reason for the dispute over ownership.

Those drones can locate people and determine if they are armed from two miles and are being used to watch the people of this country. We're in a lot of trouble with the military and their controllers. Sounds like to me from this story we're screwed.

[Awoke]

Those drones can locate people and determine if they are armed from two miles and are being used to watch the people of this country. We're in a lot of trouble with the military and their controllers. Sounds like to me from this story we're screwed.

Drones or no drones, the gun-owning people still outnumber the NWO pigs by a vast amount.

[Shami-Amourae]

Drones or no drones, the gun-owning people still outnumber the NWO pigs by a vast amount.

The second Americans realized that shit, the second this criminal government and NWO would be kicked out of our country.

[BrewTech]

Drones or no drones, the gun-owning people still outnumber the NWO pigs by a vast amount.

This may be the case, but what if you take out all the gun-owning people that would lay down those guns at the first sign of trouble?

My impression is that number would be bigger than most think. I have known too many gun owners that would be useless if ever called upon to defend anything that matters.

[palani]

I doubt if a predator drone would be very effective in a dense forest.

And the first predator that gets into controlled airspace and gets in the way of a 747 is going to bring a bunch of criticism.

[osoab]

I doubt if a predator drone would be very effective in a dense forest.

And the first predator that gets into controlled airspace and gets in the way of a 747 is going to bring a bunch of criticism.

Thermal Imaging?

[Dogman]

Thermal Imaging? If they use a full blown one (full sensor pack) they can see you., It would take a very dense forest, the kind that are dark in them in full daylight and maybe you would not be seen. Hell you can walk a trail, and they can track your foot steps by heat signature after you are long gone. Scarey stuff.

Pdf

http://www.flir.com/uploadedFiles/CVS_Americas/Security/Applications/Security_App_Seeing_in_total_darkness_a.pdf

[midnight rambler]

they can track your foot steps by heat signature after you are long gone.I'm a certified thermographer and that is utter bullshit. Heat left by 'footprints' will dissipate in a couple of minutes, if that long, the exception being footprints in snow (which you can see with your naked eyes anyway lol).

And FYI, with respect to 'heat signatures' (IR), if you cannot see an IR radiating body with your naked eyes, i.e. blocked by foliage or some object, then your IR device isn't going to 'see' any of the heat either.

[Awoke]

with respect to 'heat signatures' (IR), if you cannot see an IR radiating body with your naked eyes, i.e. blocked by foliage or some object, then your IR device isn't going to 'see' any of the heat either.

Are you saying that taking cover behind bushes, etc, will block heat sigs in these viewers?

[midnight rambler]

Are you saying that taking cover behind bushes, etc, will block heat sigs in these viewers?

What I'm saying is that if you cannot see the ('hot') object with your naked eyes, then your IR imaging device won't 'see' it either - it really is that simple (e.g. a thermal blanket will provide 'cover', HOWEVER if the aluminum on the thermal blanket is exposed to the IR imaging device then it will shine like a beacon, just like with the naked eyes; cover the thermal blanket so the aluminum is blocked and that's sufficient). Surrounding objects picking up radiated heat will give an indication of a nearby very hot object (but not animals, only very hot objects like internal combustion engines). The best example I can give you is that of an automobile that has been in operation and is now parked - the exhaust system will heat up the ground enough to indicate the heat (but not to a great extent, it's very subtle), and the automobile will show heat mostly at the engine compartment (it's the body sheet metal showing the heat radiating into it, NOT the engine itself) and at the wheel assemblies (depending upon the ambient temperature). A car that has been parked (running or not, depending upon conditions) and then moved will have the ground indicating heat for a minute or three after it is moved (or maybe not, depending upon the ambient temp. again).

[collector]

looks scared !

Agreed !!

Gee, when I took this job I thought I'd just be pulling people over, giving them speeding tickets, I never thought I'd have to deal with people that carry guns just like me !! These guys aren't afraid of me, I'd better ask my big brother for help.
Just like they told me in the academy - above all, officer's safety comes first

[Tumbleweed]

In the article it says the drone located the three men from two miles distance and they were deternined to be unarmed. How'd they do that? The area of grasslands called the big open starts up in canada, goes down through montana, eastern wyoming and the western parts of the dakotas and nebraska. There's not much for forrests in it. If marshall law were declared homeland security already has the power to take control of the farms and ranches. There's nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. A huge part of the food raised in this country is raised in open country.

[midnight rambler]

Agreed !!

Gee, when I took this job I thought I'd just be pulling people over, giving them speeding tickets, I never thought I'd have to deal with people that carry guns just like me !! These guys aren't afraid of me, I'd better ask my big brother for help.
Just like they told me in the academy - above all, officer's safety comes first

Just wait until you get your SWAT training, where hunting/killing the target comes first.

[Hatha Sunahara]

It won't be long before they start using the drones to fire missiles or drop bombs on our houses. Without accountability of course.


Hatha

[Awoke]

What I'm saying is that if you cannot see the ('hot') object with your naked eyes, then your IR imaging device won't 'see' it either - it really is that simple (e.g. a thermal blanket will provide 'cover', HOWEVER if the aluminum on the thermal blanket is exposed to the IR imaging device then it will shine like a beacon, just like with the naked eyes; cover the thermal blanket so the aluminum is blocked and that's sufficient). Surrounding objects picking up radiated heat will give an indication of a nearby very hot object (but not animals, only very hot objects like internal combustion engines). The best example I can give you is that of an automobile that has been in operation and is now parked - the exhaust system will heat up the ground enough to indicate the heat (but not to a great extent, it's very subtle), and the automobile will show heat mostly at the engine compartment (it's the body sheet metal showing the heat radiating into it, NOT the engine itself) and at the wheel assemblies (depending upon the ambient temperature). A car that has been parked (running or not, depending upon conditions) and then moved will have the ground indicating heat for a minute or three after it is moved (or maybe not, depending upon the ambient temp. again).


So a ghillie suit that is lined internally with a space blanket could be essentially undectable by eye or thermal. That is what I am getting from this information.

[midnight rambler]

So a ghillie suit that is lined internally with a space blanket could be essentially undectable by eye or thermal. That is what I am getting from this information.

So long as none of the space blanket itself cannot be seen with the naked eye at any point, 'cause a space blanket shines like a mirror in an IR viewer. Using IR is all about looking for anomalies, i.e. 'stuff that doesn't belong there'. IOW, what you see is what you get.

[Awoke]

Shit. This whole time I was talking about Thermal, not IR.

What about Thermal imaging, with the space blanket ghillie?

[midnight rambler]

Shit. This whole time I was talking about Thermal, not IR.

What about Thermal imaging, with the space blanket ghillie?

Thermal imaging = infrared imaging.

And those numbskulls at 'FLIR' are just that, numbskulls. 'FLIR' is an acronym for 'Forward Looking InfraRed' - they only adopted the name 'FLIR' because it's in the lexicon and sounds 'mysterious, scientific' and 'really cool!'. 'Forward looking' had to do with the relatively primitive technology available in the '60's-'70s as the IR imaging back then would be mounted on an aircraft and 'look forward' rather than straight down (most likely because the cryogenically cooled devices couldn't be mounted on a gimbal like the electronically cooled devices are today).

[Awoke]

I always thought that Thermal was basically Heat vision, and IR was Night vision?

http://www.x20.org/infrared/M1_homeland_Secirity_FLIR_thermal_detection_Infrar ed_image1.gif
http://www.x20.org/uploads/imagecache/uc_category/night_vision_specials.jpg

[midnight rambler]

I always thought that Thermal was basically Heat vision, and IR was Night vision?

http://www.x20.org/infrared/M1_homeland_Secirity_FLIR_thermal_detection_Infrar ed_image1.gif
http://www.x20.org/uploads/imagecache/uc_category/night_vision_specials.jpg

Night vision is amplification of available light - no light, nothing to see. In cases where there's no available light for a NVD to work, then an IR 'illuminator' is utilized.

[mightymanx]

In the article it says the drone located the three men from two miles distance and they were deternined to be unarmed. How'd they do that? The area of grasslands called the big open starts up in canada, goes down through montana, eastern wyoming and the western parts of the dakotas and nebraska. There's not much for forrests in it. If marshall law were declared homeland security already has the power to take control of the farms and ranches. There's nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. A huge part of the food raised in this country is raised in open country.


If they realy wanted to they could probably find you from orbit.

[Horn]

Combine this thread with the N.C. privatized police force,

and you can trace parallel lines back to the brown shirts of Nazi Germany.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmJhogB9ss

[Dogman]

Combine this thread with the N.C. privatized police force,

and you can trace parallel lines back to the brown shirts of Nazi Germany.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmJhogB9ss At least with the drones, it may prove to be unconstitutional to use them on us.

[Buddha]

It won't be long before they start using the drones to fire missiles or drop bombs on our houses. Without accountability of course.


Hatha

Oh lord, I can see it now... "Today the local police with the help of the U.S.A.F. took out several known weapon and hoard houses with radical leanings and ties to white supremacist groups. The inhabitants of these homes have been known to be armed and dangerous and local police neither had the weapons or manpower for such a raid. The U.S.A.F. upon request of the county sheriff's office released a predator drone equipped with hellfire missiles to solidify the officers safety. Seventeen were killed in their homes and another two in their car without incident, no officers were harmed. News channel 2 has obtained a video recording of the two escaping radical felons."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLv-7zqHdF4&feature=related

[Tumbleweed]

During the last census they sent people out to get a gps on our front doors. I guess if anyone causes a problem in the future all they need to do is send out a drone and put a rocket through our front door. Montana, North and South Dakota the last time I looked were each about 700,000 for population and Wyo. was about 300,000. No way to hide out here in the open so I guess we're screwed.

[osoab]

During the last census they sent people out to get a gps on our front doors. I guess if anyone causes a problem in the future all they need to do is send out a drone and put a rocket through our front door. Montana, North and South Dakota the last time I looked were each about 700,000 for population and Wyo. was about 300,000. No way to hide out here in the open so I guess we're screwed.

Deep bunkers.

[Tumbleweed]

Deep bunkers.

either that or we need to learn how to kiss the Jews ass's. SOB's

[osoab]

either that or we need to learn how to kiss the Jews ass's. SOB's


I don't consider your second alternative as an option.

[Tumbleweed]

I don't consider your second alternative as an option.


Me neither.

[mightymanx]

Oh lord, I can see it now... "Today the local police with the help of the U.S.A.F. took out several known weapon and hoard houses with radical leanings and ties to white supremacist groups. The inhabitants of these homes have been known to be armed and dangerous and local police neither had the weapons or manpower for such a raid. The U.S.A.F. upon request of the county sheriff's office released a predator drone equipped with hellfire missiles to solidify the officers safety. Seventeen were killed in their homes and another two in their car without incident, no officers were harmed. News channel 2 has obtained a video recording of the two escaping radical felons."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLv-7zqHdF4&feature=related


Quoted for truth.

Believe it!!!

[palani]

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/12/send-in-drones-predator-state-goes.html


“Eventually, we’ll have to put an end to this, one way or another.”

Sheriff Kelly Janke of North Dakota’s Nelson County uttered that ominous sentence in mid-September, during what the local media giddily described as a stand-off with local farmer Rodney Brossart and his family. By that time, Sheriff Janke, with the help of the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Air Force, had already run the table where “non-lethal” means of compelling the family to surrender were concerned. This included everything from the Taser used during Brossart’s June 23 arrest to the precedent-setting use of a Predator-B drone to conduct surveillance of the home several days later to facilitate the arrest of the farmer’s three sons.

The most recent conflict between Janke’s department and Brossart began when a half-dozen stray cattle wandered onto the family’s farm, which is located near the tiny village of Lakota (roughly 100 miles northwest of Fargo). Brossart, who reportedly believed that the cattle were unclaimed and thus belonged to him under a disputed interpretation of open-range law, refused to turn them over to the Sheriff.

Sheriff Janke.

A team of deputies tasered the 55-year-old farmer and took him into custody. His daughter Abby, frantic for the safety of her father, tried to intervene; for “striking” the sanctified personage of a deputy, she was arrested and charged with assault. When Brossart’s wife Susan refused to help the deputies locate what they described as “illegal” firearms, she, too, was arrested and charged with lying to law enforcement officers (who are trained to lie and can do so without legal consequence).

When deputies returned the following day, they were reportedly confronted by Brossart’s three sons – Jacob, Alex, and Thomas -- who were allegedly carrying the rifles the police had tried to confiscate the previous day.

This led Sheriff Janke to escalate the confrontation to a full-spectrum military response – including, in the words of the Los Angeles Times, elements “from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances, and deputy sheriffs from three other counties. He also called in a Predator B drone.” That unmanned aerial vehicle, identical to those used in CIA-directed missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere, was supplied by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency (CBP), an affiliate of the Department of Homeland Security.

“As the unmanned aircraft circled 2 miles overhead the next morning, sophisticated sensors under the nose helped pinpoint the three suspects and showed they were unarmed,” continued the Times. “Police rushed in and made the first known arrests of U.S. citizens with help from a Predator, the spy drone that has helped revolutionize modern warfare.

That was the “one way” Janke had already tried. What, pray tell, would have been the “other” – short of equipping the drone with Hellfire missiles and using it to annihilate the Brossart family as suspected terrorists?

If this had happened, the Brossarts would not be the first Americans to be killed by way of a drone-fired missile. That unwanted distinction is owned by Anwar al-Awlaki and his son, Adbulrahman, who were killed in separate drone strikes in Yemen about three weeks apart. Abdulrahman, a 16-year-old boy who was born in Denver, was murdered while eating dinner with his 17-year-old cousin, who was also killed in the missile strike.

The original story was that Abdulrahman was a “suspected militant,” and thus a “legitimate” target. He was actually a teenage boy frantically trying to find his father, whose name was on a roster of terrorist suspects who had been sentenced to summaryexecution by a secretive executive branch committee that answers to nobody.

As a result of a dispute involving a half-dozen cows, the Brossart family found itself treated as if they were terrorists. The CBP’s drone fleet is described by the agency as a counter-terrorism asset. For the act “brandishing” legally owned rifles in the presence of armed sheriff’s deputies, the three Brossart sons have been charged with “terrorizing” law enforcement personnel -- fragile, timid creatures that they are. Most significantly, however, the family had been enrolled on a roster of domestic terrorists – one compiled not by the Obama administration, but rather by the quasi-private Stasi calling itself the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

According to the SPLC, Brossart’s family received special attention because Sheriff Janke “knew the Brossarts were followers of another Lakota resident, Roger Elvick, one of the original gurus of the bizarre but remarkably resilient sovereign citizens movement.”
For the past several years, the SPLC has been indoctrinating local law enforcement agencies in the belief that the sovereign citizens movement – and, for that matter, the entire “radical Right,” a label the SPLC applies to anyone more conservative than Hugo Chavez – is an undifferentiated mass of menace and a particular threat to law enforcement. This campaign is perfectly calibrated to play on the fears of police, for whom there is no higher priority than “officer safety.”

Little of consequence would result if the SPLC were simply a private pressure group. However, the organization seamlessly interfaces with a number of government agencies, including the State and Local Anti-Terrorism Training (SLATT) program, which is funded through the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Assistance. National and regional law enforcement seminars have been used to cultivate alarm among police officers regarding the supposedly all-encompassing terrorist threat posed by domestic “extremists.”

During the June confrontation, Sheriff Janke actually took time to respond to an interview request from the SPLC’s Intelligence Report.

“We’re trying to reach out to the family to get them to surrender,” Janke told the publication. “It’s not common for people to brandish weapons against law enforcement, and to have them all be family members is unique. [It tells me] they’re up to something, they’re planning something, they have some different beliefs…. We’re meeting with a team of experts to find out the best possible way to resolve this.”

The SPLC material is actually humorous. Roger Elvick came up with the redemption method, where you would accept for value any claim and pass it along for settlement and closure of the account. Doesn't seem like much "sovereign" or threatening about this, is there? Other than it suggests that there is something terribly wrong with the money system when you cannot extinguish your debts.

[palani]

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/12/send-in-drones-predator-state-goes.html


“Eventually, we’ll have to put an end to this, one way or another.”

Sheriff Kelly Janke of North Dakota’s Nelson County uttered that ominous sentence in mid-September, during what the local media giddily described as a stand-off with local farmer Rodney Brossart and his family. By that time, Sheriff Janke, with the help of the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Air Force, had already run the table where “non-lethal” means of compelling the family to surrender were concerned. This included everything from the Taser used during Brossart’s June 23 arrest to the precedent-setting use of a Predator-B drone to conduct surveillance of the home several days later to facilitate the arrest of the farmer’s three sons.

The most recent conflict between Janke’s department and Brossart began when a half-dozen stray cattle wandered onto the family’s farm, which is located near the tiny village of Lakota (roughly 100 miles northwest of Fargo). Brossart, who reportedly believed that the cattle were unclaimed and thus belonged to him under a disputed interpretation of open-range law, refused to turn them over to the Sheriff.

Sheriff Janke.

A team of deputies tasered the 55-year-old farmer and took him into custody. His daughter Abby, frantic for the safety of her father, tried to intervene; for “striking” the sanctified personage of a deputy, she was arrested and charged with assault. When Brossart’s wife Susan refused to help the deputies locate what they described as “illegal” firearms, she, too, was arrested and charged with lying to law enforcement officers (who are trained to lie and can do so without legal consequence).

When deputies returned the following day, they were reportedly confronted by Brossart’s three sons – Jacob, Alex, and Thomas -- who were allegedly carrying the rifles the police had tried to confiscate the previous day.

This led Sheriff Janke to escalate the confrontation to a full-spectrum military response – including, in the words of the Los Angeles Times, elements “from the state Highway Patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, ambulances, and deputy sheriffs from three other counties. He also called in a Predator B drone.” That unmanned aerial vehicle, identical to those used in CIA-directed missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere, was supplied by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency (CBP), an affiliate of the Department of Homeland Security.

“As the unmanned aircraft circled 2 miles overhead the next morning, sophisticated sensors under the nose helped pinpoint the three suspects and showed they were unarmed,” continued the Times. “Police rushed in and made the first known arrests of U.S. citizens with help from a Predator, the spy drone that has helped revolutionize modern warfare.

That was the “one way” Janke had already tried. What, pray tell, would have been the “other” – short of equipping the drone with Hellfire missiles and using it to annihilate the Brossart family as suspected terrorists?

If this had happened, the Brossarts would not be the first Americans to be killed by way of a drone-fired missile. That unwanted distinction is owned by Anwar al-Awlaki and his son, Adbulrahman, who were killed in separate drone strikes in Yemen about three weeks apart. Abdulrahman, a 16-year-old boy who was born in Denver, was murdered while eating dinner with his 17-year-old cousin, who was also killed in the missile strike.

The original story was that Abdulrahman was a “suspected militant,” and thus a “legitimate” target. He was actually a teenage boy frantically trying to find his father, whose name was on a roster of terrorist suspects who had been sentenced to summaryexecution by a secretive executive branch committee that answers to nobody.

As a result of a dispute involving a half-dozen cows, the Brossart family found itself treated as if they were terrorists. The CBP’s drone fleet is described by the agency as a counter-terrorism asset. For the act “brandishing” legally owned rifles in the presence of armed sheriff’s deputies, the three Brossart sons have been charged with “terrorizing” law enforcement personnel -- fragile, timid creatures that they are. Most significantly, however, the family had been enrolled on a roster of domestic terrorists – one compiled not by the Obama administration, but rather by the quasi-private Stasi calling itself the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

According to the SPLC, Brossart’s family received special attention because Sheriff Janke “knew the Brossarts were followers of another Lakota resident, Roger Elvick, one of the original gurus of the bizarre but remarkably resilient sovereign citizens movement.”
For the past several years, the SPLC has been indoctrinating local law enforcement agencies in the belief that the sovereign citizens movement – and, for that matter, the entire “radical Right,” a label the SPLC applies to anyone more conservative than Hugo Chavez – is an undifferentiated mass of menace and a particular threat to law enforcement. This campaign is perfectly calibrated to play on the fears of police, for whom there is no higher priority than “officer safety.”

Little of consequence would result if the SPLC were simply a private pressure group. However, the organization seamlessly interfaces with a number of government agencies, including the State and Local Anti-Terrorism Training (SLATT) program, which is funded through the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Assistance. National and regional law enforcement seminars have been used to cultivate alarm among police officers regarding the supposedly all-encompassing terrorist threat posed by domestic “extremists.”

During the June confrontation, Sheriff Janke actually took time to respond to an interview request from the SPLC’s Intelligence Report.

“We’re trying to reach out to the family to get them to surrender,” Janke told the publication. “It’s not common for people to brandish weapons against law enforcement, and to have them all be family members is unique. [It tells me] they’re up to something, they’re planning something, they have some different beliefs…. We’re meeting with a team of experts to find out the best possible way to resolve this.”

The SPLC material is actually humorous. Roger Elvick came up with the redemption method, where you would accept for value any claim and pass it along for settlement and closure of the account. Doesn't seem like much "sovereign" or threatening about this, is there? Other than it suggests that there is something terribly wrong with the money system when you cannot extinguish your debts.

And a "sovereign citizen" is an oxymoron. One cannot be in command and a subject at the same time.

[mick silver]

i have said this more then once on here and the old gim , dont think for a minute there not using the drones here to watch . over seas was a test to learn how to use them . but i would bet they have been flying over us all from the day the were made .whats good for them to kill people with over seas is just as good to kill you and me with ... they toys are for us all

[midnight rambler]

over seas was a test to learn how to use them .

No one should kid themselves - the sandbox is the proving ground for ALL their toys to be used elsewhere.