Do You Think Ron Paul Has A Chance?

[LuckyStrike]

He is polling pretty damn good that's for sure, I don't put much faith in polls but I would think if anything they discount his numbers. I got a call probably a year ago about this years GOP race, all automated and RP wasn't even a choice.

I didn't realistically think RP would win in 08 but I did hope he would do much better, this time I'm once bitten twice shy I guess.

What are your thoughts?

[willie pete]

I seriously doubt he'll get the republican nomination

[AndreaGail]

his biggest competitor is not in any of the polls, the electronic voting macines...diebold / premier election solutions

[vacuum]

I think you've got to look back over the last two presidents and try to figure out what's going on. We can see that when Bush and Cheney took power there was a power shift in the country. They did 911 immediately after he got in office, and the goal was to destroy the ME. There were several strong pushes from them to invade Iran, but they weren't able to do so. Then we had Obama, Hillary, and McCain. You would have thought that the latter two would have become president and finished Iran, which was definitely the goal imo. But Obama got in instead, and he has been more or less inept, and hasn't been pushing forward the agenda other than passively. So I view that as a diminishment of "the plan".

So in my view it really depends on how you read into the last election cycle. If things aren't going to plan, perhaps they will continue that way. Maybe Bush's presidency was the big push by the hardline element and it failed. Now the slower (and perhaps more diabolical) element has 1 year to do what they need to do. I have a feeling that if Ron Paul doesn't win, he will at least force their hand. Remember, Soros is behind the OWS movement, so I think they've got some type of 12 month plan which may have some surpises.

[zap]

I have made this statement before, my mom is sheep, oh a partial sheep, but right in there with , oh we need to vote all the congress and senate out, and I have talked to her about Ron Paul, no she says, he is to old to be president.

[joboo]

But Obama got in instead, and he has been more or less inept, and hasn't been pushing forward the agenda other than passively. So I view that as a diminishment of "the plan".


Iran is not a matter of rushing in and finishing the plan. Iran is the exact opposite of finishing any plan. Iran is huge, terrain is brutal, and then Russia, and China have a lot to say about it.

Obama has allowed the plan to advance into how many more new territories? He reversed nothing, and now there's the insane bailouts, and indefinite detention as a Christmas present.

Bush was Obama lite.

The situation is further along now more than ever.

[vacuum]

I'm not saying Obama hasn't done, say, 5x more damage than Bush. The thing is that Bush was an impulse which set the plan into motion. The plan has an exponential curve. So if Bush was in for 12 years instead of 8, I'd argue we'd be worse off now. Of course it's conjecture which I can't prove, but that's my line of thinking.

The thing is that there are independent timetables that "the plan" is constrained by. They have to hit milestones at an ever increasing rate to stay ahead of the natural technological and social forces. So their installed candidate must move the plan forward at a constantly increasing rate or it will fail. Obama has followed what Bush started, but what I'm saying is that his acceleration of it isn't grade A.

edit:
So going back to the OP, of whether Ron Paul has a chance or not, what I'm saying is that I am seeing stress cracks. Whereas previously it was like being run over by a tank, there are fractures emerging. Ron Paul can only cause those cracks to grow and could be directly involved in a rupture. So imo its very worthwhile to support him.

[Joe King]

Iran is not a matter of rushing in and finishing the plan. Iran is the exact opposite of finishing any plan. Iran is huge, terrain is brutal, and then Russia, and China have a lot to say about it.

Obama has allowed the plan to advance into how many more new territories? He reversed nothing, and now there's the insane bailouts, and indefinite detention as a Christmas present.

Bush was Obama lite.

The situation is further along now more than ever.Yep. Dems and Repubs. They're like two guys runnin' a relay race, handing off the baton to each other. Lap after lap after lap.
....and calling it a race.

[AndreaGail]

Yep. Dems and Repubs. They're like two guys runnin' a relay race, handing off the baton to each other. Lap after lap after lap.
....and calling it a race.

haha i like that analogy

[LuckyStrike]

The conspiracy theorist side of me thinks this.

That they are clearing a way for RP, first it was Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain, then Gingrich who just had an absolute metoric rise (due 100% to the media of course) and then fell like dominoes for reasons that TPTB could easily have made go away. My thought process is this, we are in for a world of hurt and I think we can all agree on that, the day of reckoning is coming, maybe we can emerge from it maybe it sends us into SHTF but regardless a storm is coming so when the house of cards collapses who do they want in the drivers seat? Who do they want as the scape goat? Someone who is a carbon copy of every president in the last century or a strict constructionist free market sound money anti Fed person? I'd be very surprised if we didn't have a shock at least as big as 08 during the next 4 years and if Ron Paul was at the helm the media would just lambast him on a continual basis, sure many of their plans would be put on hold for invading this country and that, but after his first term they could have cemented in the minds of the masses that central planning is good and free markets cause catastrophic failure. It would be taught in history books for the next 100 years as a "see we tried the free markets and things came unglued"

You have to understand people who seek world domination have decade long plans, if they have to put a few things on hold for 4 years and then their life will be easier the next 40 it will be worth it. The last thing they want is RP to be remembered fondly and his following to continue to grow. An idea whose time has come is impossible to stop and they know it, so they must kill the idea of freedom.

I'm not saying I totally believe that scenario but I think it is plausible and may be a contingency for them.

Any thoughts on that?

[Joe King]

haha i like that analogyThanks.

Whenever anyone else wants to run too, they start playin' "hide the baton", instead.

[Joe King]

The conspiracy theorist side of me thinks this.

That they are clearing a way for RP, first it was Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain, then Gingrich who just had an absolute metoric rise (due 100% to the media of course) and then fell like dominoes for reasons that TPTB could easily have made go away. My thought process is this, we are in for a world of hurt and I think we can all agree on that, the day of reckoning is coming, maybe we can emerge from it maybe it sends us into SHTF but regardless a storm is coming so when the house of cards collapses who do they want in the drivers seat? Who do they want as the scape goat? Someone who is a carbon copy of every president in the last century or a strict constructionist free market sound money anti Fed person? I'd be very surprised if we didn't have a shock at least as big as 08 during the next 4 years and if Ron Paul was at the helm the media would just lambast him on a continual basis, sure many of their plans would be put on hold for invading this country and that, but after his first term they could have cemented in the minds of the masses that central planning is good and free markets cause catastrophic failure. It would be taught in history books for the next 100 years as a "see we tried the free markets and things came unglued"

You have to understand people who seek world domination have decade long plans, if they have to put a few things on hold for 4 years and then their life will be easier the next 40 it will be worth it. The last thing they want is RP to be remembered fondly and his following to continue to grow. An idea whose time has come is impossible to stop and they know it, so they must kill the idea of freedom.

I'm not saying I totally believe that scenario but I think it is plausible and may be a contingency for them.

Any thoughts on that?That's what I said awhile back (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52122-Ron-Paul-‘Freedom-Is-a-Young-Idea-and-We’re-Throwing-It-Away’&p=436606&viewfull=1#post436606), that he could easily come to be portrayed as the "new" Herbert Hoover and actually end up being the PTB "transition guy" in order to get the people to give up the old Constitution for something more modern.

The people must be shown that while it was a good idea in principle, it is no longer workable.
ie brought to their knees.

[Veni, vidi...evigilavi!]

A while back about 6mos ago or so, I would've said yea, he has a chance, but seeing these new moves by Bachman &cain and the others being backed by the big political machines, I'm going to say no. Even if he gets a good voter turn out what keeps them from falsifying correct numbers? Really, think about it.

[midnight rambler]

what keeps them from falsifying correct numbers? Really, think about it.

imo, the only thing that overcomes the cooked numbers via the crooked voting machines is obviously huge popular support (aka 'critical mass') which so far has been contained quite well.

[joboo]

Latest RP ad on Newt...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRdqGKA782A

[Libertytree]

Yeah, I think there's a shot that it can be done, now that's not to say there aren't multiple barriers and mine fields that lie in wait or as LS said above it's one of TPTB's contingencies. I also believe massive Ron Paul voter turnout negates the ability of Diebold to rig the election, though maybe I underestimate that? Something I found quite heartening this weekend..was Ron Pauls appearance on the Leno show, look at that reaction by the crowd! think of how many millions of people saw and heard his message and and the crowds applause, some for probably the 1st time! To top it off, that was in Cali and/or there was a mixed audience from around the country. ( I'm hoping the RP camp didn't bus in them in). But the Leno show bodes well and could pay off huge.

[madfranks]

My thought process is this, we are in for a world of hurt and I think we can all agree on that, the day of reckoning is coming, maybe we can emerge from it maybe it sends us into SHTF but regardless a storm is coming so when the house of cards collapses who do they want in the drivers seat? Who do they want as the scape goat? Someone who is a carbon copy of every president in the last century or a strict constructionist free market sound money anti Fed person? I'd be very surprised if we didn't have a shock at least as big as 08 during the next 4 years and if Ron Paul was at the helm the media would just lambast him on a continual basis, sure many of their plans would be put on hold for invading this country and that, but after his first term they could have cemented in the minds of the masses that central planning is good and free markets cause catastrophic failure. It would be taught in history books for the next 100 years as a "see we tried the free markets and things came unglued"

Wow, I never even thought about that. Reminds me of how, when Andrew Jackson started removing deposits from the Bank of the United States, the bankers and the Congress made a big deal out of it, whipping up public anger towards him for "destabilizing" the economy. Congress officially censured him and it was only because the media wasn't so centrally controlled that the truth actually spread and when the people learned the truth about the bank and the fiat money they issued, they backed the president in the dismantling of the Bank. The masses are so largely brainwashed today that I can't see that happening again, although I'd like to be wrong.

[Horn]

The Republican's current strategy seems to be cycling through the worst of candidates to enable another Obama win.

If Independents rose up and demanded Paul as a candidate, they could possibly flatten both parties.

[Dogman]

The Republican's current strategy seems to be cycling through the worst of candidates to enable another Obama win.

If Independents rose up and demanded Paul as a candidate, they could possibly flatten both parties. Strategy ?

They have no frigging strategy, other than being complete Idiots, if you want to call that a strategy!

[chad]

no. the media want romney or newt. it's better tv than a guy who just reads some old document.

[Blink]

IMO, the only reason that RP exists is because they (TPTB) allow it. I believe LS is right on this one. The fall guy. In the interim, he's hope for the masses, something they can dream will change this mess thats been created when in reality it is already over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnqgROXTSFw&feature=related

[EE_]

The Republican's current strategy seems to be cycling through the worst of candidates to enable another Obama win.

It's a very real possibility. TPTB have tons of ammo to destroy Newt in the the presidential election.

A VOTE FOR NEWT IS LIKE A VOTE FOR OBAMA!

[Dogman]

In another place and time in this country's history RP, would win, hands down. But today with the way the gov system is rigged and the non elected gov office holders, that in some ways hold true power, and the toxic mood of the hard right, by purging anyone that was not "right" enough, that there are no moderates in their party too speak of. All Paul will probably accomplish with his supporters, is to help fragment the rights over all vote and strength.

And the end result will be a walk in the park for BO (sniff, sniff =Phew)

[osoab]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hKOdTFZsTY0/S6rAyYbXGkI/AAAAAAAASp8/gJfpb-phZNE/s1600/sbcih.jpg


The only reason he gets in is if they crash the system. I do like Lucky's reasoning. I think they want it violent though.

[EE_]

In another place and time in this country's history RP, would win, hands down. But today with the way the gov system is rigged and the non elected gov office holders, that in some ways hold true power, and the toxic mood of the hard right, by purging anyone that was not "right" enough, that there are no moderates in their party too speak of. All Paul will probably accomplish with his supporters, is to help fragment the rights over all vote and strength.

And the end result will be a walk in the park for BO (sniff, sniff =Phew)

Obama did personally kill Osama Bin Ladin and his terrorist buddies, and end the Bush war in Iraq ya know.

[Dogman]

Obama did personally kill Osama Bin Ladin and his terrorist buddies, and end the Bush war in Iraq ya know.

History being made right in front of our eyes! 1871

[JohnQPublic]

"Do You Think Ron Paul Has A Chance?"

It does not matter. If anyone else (of the major candidates) wins we are screwed. So go for broke with Ron Paul.

[Dogman]

"Do You Think Ron Paul Has A Chance?"

It does not matter. If anyone else (of the major candidates) wins we are screwed. So go for broke with Ron Paul.

Best point made yet, no mater win or lose RP is our man and this is a fight to the finish. Who knows ? I support him, because
he is the only voice of reason, and I do vote, and would rather have my candidate lose, than give my vote to a lesser evil.

[EE_]

Best point made yet, no mater win or lose RP is our man and this is a fight to the finish. Who knows ? I support him, because
he is the only voice of reason, and I do vote, and would rather have my candidate lose, than give my vote to a lesser evil.

What happens when this is over if Ron loses?
What do we do next...wait four years for Rand Paul to follow in dad's footprints?

[Dogman]

What happens when this is over if Ron loses?
What do we do next...wait four years for Rand Paul to follow in dad's footprints? Good Question! If he loses and BO wins expect More "nothing" happening in Washington, If by chance BO does lose to someone not RP. Does anyone have crystal ball? Because mine is broken, and speaking of broken the whole national gov is broken now. It may be beyond fixing as it stands now.

What I find interesting and will be watching closely is the house and senate reelections, my feeling is people of all stripes are tired of the shit flowing down hill from Washington and during the next elections cycles , heads should and will roll.

Will it make a difference ? Who in the hell knows,

I personally think, things are too far gone, and beyond repair.

The only fix, is to shoot all of the lobbyists! (Edited)

[EE_]

So doom goes to the next level?

Sounds like a "DOOOM in the _______ 2012" party will be in order?

[Dogman]

So doom goes to the next level?

Sounds like a "DOOOM in the _______ 2012" party will be in order?

If I could travel, you could count me in! Maybe in a few more years.

And Doom may become real! (Edit)

[joboo]

Well at least he's not considered the craziest one running anymore.

Holy WTF moment going on here.

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2011/12/15/14/enhanced-buzz-4457-1323978829-41.jpg

[steyr_m]

If he gets elected, he will be assassinated before he takes office. He'll never make it.

[Dogman]

Well at least he's not considered the craziest one running anymore.

Holy WTF moment going on here.

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web04/2011/12/15/14/enhanced-buzz-4457-1323978829-41.jpg



Aeeeeee those eyes those eyes Zombi Zionist sucking eyes!

Those are some crazy bitching eyes!

[joboo]

Aeeeeee those eyes those eyes Zombi Zionist sucking eyes!

Those are some crazy bitching eyes!

Apparently they x-rayed her head, and found this (click to enlarge):

1873

[Dogman]

Apparently they x-rayed her head, and found this (click to enlarge):

1873


http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1873&d=1324246134

Sort of reminds me of one of our members ranting dreamed up shit here
now. 1874

[Libertytree]

Is that large round thing a bat turd?

[StackerKen]

imo, the only thing that overcomes the cooked numbers via the crooked voting machines is obviously huge popular support (aka 'critical mass') which so far has been contained quite well.

Thats exactly what we need.
and may be getting there.
If the Dr. has enough support they can't pull a diebold scam
Can they?
I really think folks might be starting to wake a little

eta; Maybe if he gets the Alaskan to be his vice they won't assassinate him? lol

[Libertytree]

Thats exactly what we need.
and may be getting there.
If the Dr. has enough support they can't pull a diebold scam
Can they?
I really think folks might be starting to wake a little

I think so too, I read some of the tweets that were logged during the Leno show and there were a LOT of folks who had never heard of him, didn't know anything except he can't win or were more than happy to hear him clarify some things. I know tweets ain't the best measure but it is something tangible for those who have lost hope or who are still sleeping and Ron Paul is a sleeping giant, along with the rest of us.

[Dogman]

I think so too, I read some of the tweets that were logged during the Leno show and there were a LOT of folks who had never heard of him, didn't know anything except he can't win or were more than happy to hear him clarify some things. I know tweets ain't the best measure but it is something tangible for those who have lost hope or who are still sleeping and Ron Paul is a sleeping giant, along with the rest of us. I think in the past if you look at voter turnout, there is a huge number of people that just do not pay attention at all to politics, but now that the train they are rideing is falling apart , they are.

So I can understand why a large group of people would have never heard of RP in the past. People are starting to wake up , how many who knows. but many may be new to who is who in politics..

Best Guess.

[EE_]

Newsmax poll has Ron at 88%

http://www.newsmax.com/Surveys/Results/id/37

Note: For those that think Ron is too old...the beloved Ron Reagan was turning 80 years old when he left office.
A few years ago, no one would have believed a half white, half Arab Kenyon with no past, could be president.
Liberty and Freedom never get old!

[solid]

Note: For those that think Ron is too old...the beloved Ron Reagan was turning 80 years old when he left office.
A few years ago, no one would have believed a half white, half Arab Kenyon with no past, could be president.
Liberty and Freedom never get old!

I wish I shared your optimism, EE. I think the game's rigged and our votes don't count. Whatever puppet they want to sit in the white house, will win. Since Ron Paul's not a puppet for TPTB, he has no chance, imo.

They will keep up the illusion that our votes count and guy's like Ron can run...but at the last minute, we'll get screwed and some asshole will get the spot.

[EE_]

I wish I shared your optimism, EE. I think the game's rigged and our votes don't count. Whatever puppet they want to sit in the white house, will win. Since Ron Paul's not a puppet for TPTB, he has no chance, imo.

They will keep up the illusion that our votes count and guy's like Ron can run...but at the last minute, we'll get screwed and some asshole will get the spot.

You will directed to this thread shortly http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57047-Senate-Terrorism-Subcommittee-American-Militia-1995

[Libertytree]

I wish I shared your optimism, EE. I think the game's rigged and our votes don't count. Whatever puppet they want to sit in the white house, will win. Since Ron Paul's not a puppet for TPTB, he has no chance, imo.

They will keep up the illusion that our votes count and guy's like Ron can run...but at the last minute, we'll get screwed and some asshole will get the spot.

Let it not be said that we did nothing! Failure is always a possibility if not a probability, at least in this case, but to give up the fight and lose all hope, well my friend, just isn't in me. The thing is... they only win when you have conceded and that will NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN as far as I'm personally concerned!! The more people that see a glimmer of liberty, freedom, hope and take that pill then the better off we all are, no matter what happens.

[Joe King]

Is that large round thing a bat turd? That's her brain, LT.

She packs it in, back with all the rest of her crap she hardly ever uses.

[Stop Making Cents]

He has a small shot, and even a small shot is worth pursuing. The real purpose of his campaign is for a future Liberty Candidate to have a foundation prepared for them. Rand Paul...... will be President someday - mark my words.

[midnight rambler]

Maybe if he gets the Alaskan to be his vice they won't assassinate him? lol

Dan Quayle was the world's best life insurance policy.

[midnight rambler]

All you knuckleheads need to quit being so fucking negative and be praying for a miracle instead.

"Believe and receive; doubt and do without."

"Pray like it's all up to God, work like it's all up to you." --St. Augustine

[Horn]

I wish I shared your optimism, EE. I think the game's rigged and our votes don't count. Whatever puppet they want to sit in the white house, will win. Since Ron Paul's not a puppet for TPTB, he has no chance, imo. .

Its really only a matter of timing under their control, much of Ron Paul's agenda could be used naturally by TPTB.

A resulting Rogue Israel to be later terminated, U.N. Russian/Nato/China humping & enlargement, selling off of U.S. military to other nations...

Even removal of the Federal Reserve has its place in their future plans for other worldly banking support systems, I'm sure.

Ron Paul would not only have to be elected, but have some kind of stupendous Constitutional Institution & protectionary term to change their overall goal of destroying it all back to the dark ages of Monarchy/Oligarchy.

[Awoke]

I personally don't believe that Rand is cut from the same 100% Libertarian cloth that Ron is. I could be wrong, but that's my gut feeling...

[Dogman]

I personally don't believe that Rand is cut from the same 100% Libertarian cloth that Ron is. I could be wrong, but that's y gut feeling...


Feel the same way, From what I have seen of him, he is not like his father, in values.

[lapis]

I don't think RP has a chance, unfortunately. Mainly due to people who call themselves "conservatives" not getting behind him.

I keep getting anti-Obama chain emails from relatives that don't mention any alternatives, and pro-Romney postings by my supposed Christian conservative friends on Facebook. Shame on them!

I predict four more years of Debt Brother from Planet O.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/5796237390_c39772e5e8_b.jpg

[midnight rambler]

I submit all you naysayers are a bunch of losers who have little, if any, faith and wish to be lorded over by the Lucifer worshipers for the rest of your natural days. You DO realize it IS a choice...right?? No one owns the future.

I would suggest you get with re-programming yourself or else accept your fate and quit your infernal whining.

[lapis]

I can hardly wait for the end of the next election, so I can re-e-mail this great article by Chuck Baldwin that he wrote after the 2008 election. I'm sure we'll be able to fill in "John McCain" with the name of whoever will run in most places.

Conservatives Lost More Than An Election (http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20081107.html)

That Barack Obama trounced John McCain last Tuesday should have surprised no one. In fact, in this column, weeks ago, I stated emphatically that John McCain could no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton. He didn't. (Hence a vote for John McCain was a "wasted" vote, was it not?) I also predicted that Obama would win with an electoral landslide. He did. The real story, however, is not how Barack Obama defeated John McCain. The real story is how John McCain defeated America's conservatives.

For all intents and purposes, conservatism--as a national movement--is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.

Soon after G.W. Bush was elected, it quickly became obvious he was no conservative. On the contrary, George Bush has forever established himself as a Big-Government, warmongering, internationalist neocon. Making matters worse was the way Bush presented himself as a conservative Christian. In fact, Bush's portrayal of himself as a conservative Christian paved the way for the betrayal and ultimate destruction of conservatism (something I also predicted years ago). And the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

For example, Bush and his fellow neocons like to categorize and promote themselves as being "pro-life," but they have no hesitation or reservation about killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in reckless and unconstitutional foreign wars. By the same token, how many unborn babies were saved by six years of all three branches of the federal government being under the control of these "pro-life" neocons? Not one! Ask the more than eight million unborn babies who were killed in their mothers' wombs during the last eight years how "pro-life" George W. Bush and John McCain are.

As a result of this insanely inconsistent and pixilated punditry, millions of Americans now laugh at the very notion of "pro-life" conservatism. Bush and McCain have made a mockery of the very term.

Consider, too, the way Bush and McCain have allowed the international bankers on Wall Street to bilk America's taxpayers out of trillions of dollars.

Yes, I know Obama also supported the Wall Street bailout, but it was the Republican Party that controlled the White House for the last eight years and the entire federal government for six out of the last eight years. In fact, the GOP has won seven out of the previous ten Presidential elections. They have controlled Supreme Court appointments for the past thirty-plus years. They have appointed the majority of Treasury secretaries and Federal Reserve chairmen. They have presided over the greatest trade imbalances, the biggest deficits, the biggest spending increases, and now the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression.

Again, the American people look at these so-called "conservatives" and laugh. No wonder such a sizeable majority of voters yawned when John McCain tried to scare them by accusing Barack Obama of being a "big taxer."

How can one possibly scare people with a charge like that after the GOP has made a total mockery of fiscal conservatism? That's like trying to scare someone coming out from a swim in the Gulf of Mexico with a squirt gun.
Then there was the pathetic attempt by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to scare gun owners regarding an Obama White House. Remember that John McCain is the same guy that the NRA rightly condemned for proposing his blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold bill. McCain is also the same guy that tried to close down gun shows. He even made a personal campaign appearance for a pro-gun control liberal in the State of Oregon a few short years ago. In fact, the Gun Owners of America (GOA) gave McCain a grade of "F" for his dismal record on Second Amendment issues. Once again, Chicken Little-style paranoia over Barack Obama rang hollow when the alternative was someone as liberal as John McCain.

But the worst calamity of this election was the way conservatives--especially Christian conservatives--surrendered their principles for the sake of political partisanship. The James Dobsons of this country should hang their heads in shame! Not only did they lose an election, they lost their integrity!

In South Carolina, for example, pro-life Christians and conservatives had an opportunity to vote for a principled conservative-constitutionalist for the U.S. Senate. He is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, and pro-traditional marriage. He believes in securing our borders against illegal immigration. He is against the bailout for the Wall Street banksters. His conservative credentials are unassailable. But the vast majority of Christian conservatives (including those at Bob Jones University) voted for his liberal opponent instead.

The man that the vast majority of Christian conservatives voted for in South Carolina is a Big-Government neocon. He supported the bailout of the Wall Street banksters. He is a rabid supporter of granting amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. In fact, this man has a conservative rating of only 29% in the current Freedom Index of the New American Magazine.

Why did Christian conservatives support the liberal neocon and not the solid pro-life conservative? Because the conservative ran as a Democrat and the neocon is a Republican. I'm talking about the race between Bob Conley and Lindsey Graham, of course.

Had South Carolina's pastors, Christians, evangelicals, and pro-life conservatives voted for Bob Conley, he would be the new senator-elect from that state. In fact, Bob was so conservative that the Democratic leadership in South Carolina endorsed the Republican, Lindsey Graham! No matter. A majority of evangelical Christians in South Carolina stupidly rejected Bob Conley and voted for Graham.

Across the country, rather than stand on principle, hundreds of thousands of pastors, Christians, and pro-life conservatives capitulated and groveled before John McCain's neocon agenda. In doing so, they forfeited any claim to truth, and they abandoned any and all fidelity to constitutional government. They should rip the stories of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego out of their Bibles. They should never again tell their children, parishioners, and radio audiences the importance of standing for truth and principle. They have made a mockery of Christian virtue. No wonder a majority of the voting electorate laughs at us Christians. No wonder the GOP crashed and burned last Tuesday.

Again, it wasn't Barack Obama who destroyed conservatism; it was George W. Bush, John McCain, and the millions of evangelical Christians who supported them. And until conservatives find their backbone and their convictions, they deserve to remain a burnt-out, has-been political force. They have no one to blame but themselves.

And since it is unlikely that the Republican Party has enough sense to understand any of this and will, therefore, do little to reestablish genuine conservative principles, it is probably best to just go ahead and bury the scoundrels now and move on to something else. Without a sincere commitment to constitutional government, the GOP has no justifiable reason to ever govern again. Therefore, put a fork in them. They are done. Let a new entity arise from the ashes: one that will stand for something more than just "the lesser of two evils." As we say in the South, That dog just won't hunt anymore.

[lapis]

I submit all you naysayers are a bunch of losers who have little, if any, faith and wish to be lorded over by the Lucifer worshipers for the rest of your natural days. You DO realize it IS a choice...right?? No one owns the future.

I would suggest you get with re-programming yourself or else accept your fate and quit your infernal whining.

LOL! Thanks for the much-needed ass-whupping, although I still remain pessimistic.

[Awoke]

Midnight, I find I am usually in agreement with you, but not this time.

You can have 99% of the people vote for Ron Paul, but Diebold will spit out whatever name is pre-picked by TPTB, just like before.

http://www.google.ca/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJEzY2tnwExs&rct=j&sa=X&ei=xp3vTs3cDIjf0QHHoJCoCg&ved=0CE8QuAIwAA&q=diebold+programmer&usg=AFQjCNFL_gv_Zz58Ua35gCzuCszQ_qhskg

EDIT - Can't link the vid becuase youtube is blocked.

[Dogman]

Midnight, I find I am usually in agreement with you, but not this time.

You can have 99% of the people vote for Ron Paul, but Diebold will spit out whatever name is pre-picked by TPTB, just like before.

http://www.google.ca/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJEzY2tnwExs&rct=j&sa=X&ei=xp3vTs3cDIjf0QHHoJCoCg&ved=0CE8QuAIwAA&q=diebold+programmer&usg=AFQjCNFL_gv_Zz58Ua35gCzuCszQ_qhskg



EDIT - Can't link the vid becuase youtube is blocked.


Where is a hanging chad when you need one?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs

[midnight rambler]

Midnight, I find I am usually in agreement with you, but not this time.

You can have 99% of the people vote for Ron Paul, but Diebold will spit out whatever name is pre-picked by TPTB, just like before.

http://www.google.ca/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJEzY2tnwExs&rct=j&sa=X&ei=xp3vTs3cDIjf0QHHoJCoCg&ved=0CE8QuAIwAA&q=diebold+programmer&usg=AFQjCNFL_gv_Zz58Ua35gCzuCszQ_qhskg

You just made the admission that 'their' god is more powerful than yours.

If the people are moved by the Spirit, then no amount of corrupt election machines/voter fraud will cover that up.


If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

[solid]

You can have 99% of the people vote for Ron Paul, but Diebold will spit out whatever name is pre-picked by TPTB, just like before.

http://www.google.ca/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DJEzY2tnwExs&rct=j&sa=X&ei=xp3vTs3cDIjf0QHHoJCoCg&ved=0CE8QuAIwAA&q=diebold+programmer&usg=AFQjCNFL_gv_Zz58Ua35gCzuCszQ_qhskg

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I wonder if that guy's been suicided yet. I agree Awoke. I don't think that means we've given up, it means nothing is going to change until force is used, by the people, to put in a just system.

What we can do, on a positive note, is understand that and prepare for it. Our actions today will bring justice tomorrow.

[chad]

Where is a hanging chad when you need one?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs

please don't make me re-live that again.

[Dogman]

please don't make me re-live that again. Was it as bad as I think it could have been?

[chad]

Was it as bad as I think it could have been?

worse my man, worse.

[Dogman]

worse my man, worse. Yea, I can see it my mind, All was done to you with out mercy and total relentlessness.

May this time where ever paper ballots are still used that the chads come (out) clean!

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;D

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