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madfranks
21st December 2011, 01:14 PM
We've been hearing this for years now; I wonder when it will actually happen...???

http://news.coinupdate.com/legislation-seeks-steel-cents-and-nickels-1117/

Two bills were introduced in the House of Representatives on December 15, 2011 which seek to immediately alter the metallic composition of the one cent and five cent coins. Although the text of the bills is not yet available, statements released by Rep. Steve Stivers who introduced the bills H.R. 3693 and H.R. 3694 indicate that the legislation would require the coins to be made from steel.

“This legislation is a common-sense solution to decrease the cost of minting pennies and nickels,” said Stivers. “Not only will it cost less, but steel is an American resource that we have and can manufacture right here in our backyard.”

Since 2006, the cost to manufacture and produce both the cent and nickel have exceeded their face values. Based on the most recent information from the US Mint’s 2010 annual report, the costs were 1.79 cents for each cent and 9.22 cents for each nickel. The total losses related to producing cents and nickels from 2006 to 2010 are $243.1 million.

Under existing law, the Secretary of the Treasury may prescribe a composition of copper and zinc for the one cent coin. Currently, the coins are struck in copper plated zinc with a net composition of 97.5% zinc and 2.5% copper. The five cent coin is currently required under law to consist of an alloy of 75% copper and 25% nickel.

The bills introduced by Stivers would require both coins to be made from steel, with the penny coated in copper. According to Stivers, the appearance of the coins would not change, just the materials to make them.

Both the cent and nickel have undergone radical changes in composition during the last century. In 1943, the cent was struck in zinc plated steel due to wartime needs for copper. This change was only temporary. In 1982, the composition of the cent was permanently changed from the previous 95% copper and 5% zinc to the current copper plated zinc composition. From 1942 to 1945, the composition of the nickel was changed to 56% copper, 35% silver, and 9% manganese to preserve more copper and nickel for wartime needs.

In light of the higher cost of base metals in recent years, there have been some legislative attempts to further alter the composition of cents and nickels. In 2008, a bill was introduced seeking to require the cents to be immediately produced primarily from steel treated to impart a copper color. The same bill called for five cent coins to be produced in nickel coated steel or an alternative metallic content within a two year time frame. The bill was passed in the House, but ultimately did not become law.

At the end of 2010, a bill was passed and signed into law which provided the Secretary of the Treasury with the authority to conduct research and development activities related to coinage materials. At the end of a two year period, a report is due to Congress, which may make suggestions for alternative coinage materials. The first report is required before December 14, 2012. Any actual changes in composition resulting from the report would need to be made through legislation passed by Congress.

The two bills introduced yesterday by Rep. Stivers have been referred to the House Committee on Financial Services. Each bill is cosponsored by two Ohio Representatives, the state from which Stivers also hails. Ohio is one of the three top steel producing states in the country.

madfranks
21st December 2011, 01:15 PM
As soon as they officially announce this change, you better believe there will be minor hysteria as people try to go buy boxes of the old coins. The moral of the story is, if you want any, go get your boxes of cents and nickels now before the rush.

osoab
21st December 2011, 01:54 PM
I haven't looked at the text yet.

H.R.3693 Cents and Sensibility Act

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:7:./temp/~bdzmn4::|/bss/|


H.R.3694 Saving Taxpayer Expenditures by Employing Less Imported Nickel Act
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:7:./temp/~bdzmn4::|/bss/|

Sparky
21st December 2011, 02:12 PM
I don't understand why they would be passing legislation to force steel coins, when they awarded a 2-year contract in August to research a recommendation for the best alloy.

https://ext.sharepoint.ctc.com/ctcComContent/StageMedia/Press%20Releases/CTC_081811_pr.pdf

I think steel is the best guess. One of the related articles talks about aluminized steel. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't understand the point of this new bill, since the process is already well underway.

Dogman
21st December 2011, 02:17 PM
Was not WW2 the last time they did this, I think I still have some Penney's and such that are steel from that time somewhere?

Ponce
21st December 2011, 03:01 PM
Ponce <----------in the gravy train looking as mountain of pennies, nickels and silver ahahahahahahahah.......many called me crazy for hoarding all my loose change and some day they will say that I was right as per pennies and nickels.

I didn't wait for the mountain to come to me, I went to the mountain and rewards will be given to me.

PS: And don't forget about my tp hahahahaahhaahhahaah.

Dogman
21st December 2011, 03:07 PM
Ponce <----------in the gravy train looking as mountain of pennies, nickels and silver ahahahahahahahah.......many called me crazy for hoarding all my loose change and some day they will say that I was right as per pennies and nickels.

I didn't wait for the mountain to come to me, I went to the mountain and rewards will be given to me.

PS: And don't forget about my tp hahahahaahhaahhahaah.

Be sure of picking out only the highest quality and sheet count tp for outlaw when you pay the bet that you lost to him! Something about being able to thump the rolls and they sound like a ripe watermelon. And being able to toss a roll into the air and not float down, but fall to the floor and make a dent in it.. ;D

And after the first of the year he will be looking for to enjoy. Talked to him this morning and he plans to post after the first of the year to you with the shipping details...

1921

madfranks
21st December 2011, 03:24 PM
I don't understand why they would be passing legislation to force steel coins, when they awarded a 2-year contract in August to research a recommendation for the best alloy.

https://ext.sharepoint.ctc.com/ctcComContent/StageMedia/Press%20Releases/CTC_081811_pr.pdf

I think steel is the best guess. One of the related articles talks about aluminized steel. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't understand the point of this new bill, since the process is already well underway.

I don't think this bill takes into consideration current legislation regarding coin composition. The intent I get is that they want to go to steel coins immediately, right now, not wait two years for some comittee to present their results.

Serpo
21st December 2011, 03:33 PM
I thought they already steal our coins..................

Ponce
21st December 2011, 03:58 PM
In the long war to come the US will need all steel that they can get for their tanks, and so on.... it will be like in WWII where everybody was invited to donate all the steel that they had, includig those from the pot and pan, however, most pots and pans now days are made out of aluminum ...........almost forgot, silver will be declared a "stratigic metal" and you will be "invited" to turn it in FOR FREE.

So many firearms will be lost to the Chinese and Russian armies that the US will request for you to turn in certain types of firearms that they will need..........and don't forget the "Food Ration Card" in what is to come......why hell, I will feel right at home like back in Cuba.

Joe King
21st December 2011, 09:06 PM
I don't understand why they would be passing legislation to force steel coins, when they awarded a 2-year contract in August to research a recommendation for the best alloy...... I guess what I'm saying is that I don't understand the point of this new bill, since the process is already well underway.
Could it be the gov really wants to do it sooner, but is trying to keep people thinking it'll be years down the road so as to hopefully minimize the issue madfranks brought up?
ie they need to keep the old coins in circulation until enough of the new ones exist in order to not effect commerce. When they switched from 90% to clad, there were shortages of coins because the "good" ones suddenly weren't being spent as much.
The last thing they want to have to do is produce double the amount due to hoarding.

BrewTech
21st December 2011, 09:39 PM
I don't know why they are even bothering. Isn't a "cashless society" the ultimate goal anyway?

Dogman
21st December 2011, 09:41 PM
I don't know why they are even bothering. Isn't a "cashless society" the ultimate goal anyway? Yep, digital money can be tracked and traced = Freedom lost.

Joe King
21st December 2011, 09:52 PM
I don't know why they are even bothering. Isn't a "cashless society" the ultimate goal anyway?Yes, but that's not going to come into play until the currency crisis happens and there's a run on the banking system. Until then, it has to be business as usual.

Think about it like this. They minted gold coins right up until the bitter end in '33 and ended up melting them back down.
ie if a crisis occured that ends with a cashless society prior to them getting the new coins ready, they'd just stop the effort in it's tracks.

Ponce
21st December 2011, 10:04 PM
But meanwhile all the metal coins will be good till they are all gone.....they have to first reach the banks before they are out of circulation, to me that only means that no more coins will reach the banks and people will make sure to keep them circulating.

If they want you to play by their rules then we can make them play by our rules.....when you break the rules you create new rules.

Twisted Titan
22nd December 2011, 05:02 AM
is a nickle almost 10 cents now?