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Dogman
29th December 2011, 07:59 AM
t may not come as surprising news to many of you that the United Nations doesn’t approve of our Second Amendment. Not one bit. And they very much hope to do something about it with help from some powerful American friends. Under the guise of a proposed global “Small Arms Treaty” premised to fight “terrorism”, “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates” you can be quite certain that an even more insidious threat is being targeted – our Constitutional right for law-abiding citizens to own and bear arms.

What, exactly, does the intended agreement entail?

While the terms have yet to be made public, if passed by the U.N. and ratified by our Senate, it will almost certainly force the U.S. to:


Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.
Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).
Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).
Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
In short, overriding our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.


Have no doubt that this plan is very real, with strong Obama administration support. In January 2010 the U.S. joined 152 other countries in endorsing a U.N. Arms Treaty Resolution that will establish a 2012 conference to draft a blueprint for enactment. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (http://www.forbes.com/profile/hillary-clinton) has pledged to push for Senate ratification.

Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton has cautioned gun owners to take this initiative seriously, stating that the U.N. “is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there is no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.”

More from contributor Larry Bell (http://blogs.forbes.com/larrybell/)

Although professing to support the Second Amendment during her presidential election bid, Hillary Clinton is not generally known as a gun rights enthusiast. She has been a long-time activist for federal firearms licensing and registration, and a vigorous opponent of state Right-to-Carry laws. As a New York senator she ranked among the National Rifle Association’s worst “F”-rated gun banners who voted to support the sort of gunpoint disarmament that marked New Orleans’ rogue police actions against law-abiding gun owners in the anarchistic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

President Obama’s record on citizen gun rights doesn’t reflect much advocacy either. Consider for example his appointment of anti-gun rights former Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels as an alternate U.S. representative to the U.N., and his choice of Andrew Traver who has worked to terminate civilian ownership of so-called “assault rifles” (another prejudicially meaningless gun term) to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Then, in a move unprecedented in American history, the Obama administration quietly banned the re-importation and sale of 850,000 collectable antique U.S.-manufactured M1 Garand and Carbine rifles that were left in South Korea following the Korean War. Developed in the 1930s, the venerable M1 Garand carried the U.S. through World War II, seeing action in every major battle.
As an Illinois state senator, Barack Obama was an aggressive advocate for expanding gun control laws (http://nraila.org/Issues?Articles?Read.aspx?ID=272), and even voted against legislation giving gun owners an affirmative defense when they use firearms to defend themselves and their families against home invaders and burglars. He also served on a 10-member board of directors of the radically activist anti-gun Joyce Foundation in Chicago during a period between 1998-2001when it contributed $18,326,183 in grants to anti-Second Amendment organizations.

If someone breaks into your home when you are there, which would you prefer to have close at hand: 1) a telephone to call 911, or 2) a loaded gun of respectable caliber? That’s a pretty easy question for me to answer. I am a long-time NRA member, concealed firearms license holder and a regular weekly recreational pistol shooter. And while I don’t ordinarily care to target anything that has a mother, will reluctantly make an exception should an urgent provocation arise. I also happen to enjoy the company of friends who hunt, as well as those, like myself, who share an abiding interest in American history and the firearms that influenced it.

There are many like me, and fewer of them would be alive today were it not for exercise of their gun rights. In fact law-abiding citizens in America (http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm) used guns in self-defense 2.5 million times during 1993 (about 6,850 times per day), and actually shot and killed 2 1/2 times as many criminals as police did (1,527 to 606). Those civilian self-defense shootings resulted in less than 1/5th as many incidents as police where an innocent person was mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%).

Just how effectively have gun bans worked to make citizens safer in other countries? Take the number of home break-ins while residents are present as an indication. In Canada and Britain, both with tough gun-control laws, nearly half of all burglaries occur when residents are present. But in the U.S. where many households are armed, only about 13% happen when someone is home.
Recognizing clear statistical benefit evidence, 41 states now allow competent, law-abiding adults to carry permitted or permit-exempt concealed handguns. As a result, crime rates in those states have typically fallen at least 10% in the year following enactment.

So the majority in our Senate is smart enough to realize that the U.N.’s gun-grab agenda is unconstitutional, politically suicidal for those who support it, and down-right idiotic—right? Let’s hope so, but not entirely count on it. While a few loyal Obama Democrats are truly “pro-gun”, many are loathe to vote against treaties that carry the president’s international prestige, causing him embarrassment.

Also, don’t forget that Senate confirmation of anti-gun Obama nominee Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor (http://www.forbes.com/profile/sonia-sotomayor). Many within the few who voted against her did so only because of massive grassroots pressure from constituents who take their Constitutional protections very seriously.
Now, more than ever, it’s imperative to stick by our guns in demanding that all Constitutional rights be preserved. If not, we will surely lose both.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/

Ponce
29th December 2011, 08:16 AM
To many guns in the hands of "We The People" and there would be hell to pay if anything like "confiscation" were to come about, we are now the elephant in the living room that you cannot move......the US government will no listen to our words but they will listen to our guns.........give up your guns and with that you will give up your freedom.

First post of the day...........good morning to one and all.

Dogman
29th December 2011, 08:22 AM
To many guns in the hands of "We The People" and there would be hell to pay if anything like "confiscation" were to come about, we are now the elephant in the living room that you cannot move......the US government will no listen to our words but they will listen to our guns.........give up your guns and with that you will give up your freedom.

First post of the day...........good morning to one and all.

Back in the early 40's or so, some Japanese said it would be a mistake to try and invade America, Can not remember the entire quote but it was something like "There will be a gun behind every blade of grass". That saying could and would apply here if they try and confiscate our guns. Something like this can not happen instantly, there will be some word it happened, and is real. And then the shit will hit the fan.

The American people will not 'I think' allow, it to happen.

palani
29th December 2011, 08:30 AM
The American people will not 'I think' allow, it to happen.

The American people are the REASON it is happening. The bill of rights does not apply to 14th amendment American nationality.

The U.S. Government Printing Office Style manual lists the 50 nationalities that the Bill of Rights applies to. American nationality is not one of these. Instead it is listed in a completely different area of this book.

However, just to comfort you, you do have CIVIL rights according to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. If someone kills you then the feds will gladly charge that person with violating your civil rights.

Dogman
29th December 2011, 08:33 AM
The American people are the REASON it is happening. The bill of rights does not apply to 14th amendment American nationality.

The U.S. Government Printing Office Style manual lists the 50 nationalities that the Bill of Rights applies to. American nationality is not one of these. Instead it is listed in a completely different area of this book.

However, just to comfort you, you do have CIVIL rights according to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. If someone kills you then the feds will gladly charge that person with violating your civil rights.

OK, Still think if they try and pull something on us, the shit will hit the fan, because most gun owners will not give their guns up with out a fight.

palani
29th December 2011, 08:39 AM
OK, Still think if they try and pull something on us, the shit will hit the fan, because most gun owners will not give their guns up with out a fight.

I don't disagree but rather than being classified as "civily disobedient" I choose to disavow all benefits of the 14th amendment trust and declare all legislative acts and treaties that presume me in this status to be the legitimate acts of a government which is foreign to my political will and therefore of no effect.

midnight rambler
29th December 2011, 08:42 AM
Folks make such a fuss over their so-called 'constitutional rights' when the truth is there's no such thing. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights confer no rights. Your God-given unalienable rights are antecedent to the Constitution. For some odd reason people miss this very simple fact, to their own determent.

iOWNme
29th December 2011, 08:47 AM
This is smoke and mirrors. The Laws to Disarm America have been on the books since 1961 via JFK - The TREASONOUS Trader.


http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?29755-Gun-Ban-Treaty-Coming-Soon&p=248847&viewfull=1#post248847



The United Nations Treaty of 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter) has many Disarmament policies for all nations who participate.

Then in 1961, JFK (yes) along with the 87th Congress, introduced and SIGNED Public Law 87-297 (http://www.libertygunrights.com/PublicLaw87-297.html) , Which gave the statutory authority to create the Arms Control & Disarmament Agency. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Control_and_Disarmament_Agency)

This ACT was then CODIFIED into the United States Code, under Title 22, Chapter 35, Entitled 'Arms Control & Disarmament'. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sup_01_22_10_35.html)

Inside it you will find this:

Title 22, Chapter 35, Subchapter 1, $2551 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002551----000-.html):
"An ultimate goal of the United States is a world which is free from the scourge of war and the dangers and burdens of armaments; in which the use of force has been subordinated to the rule of law; and in which international adjustments to a changing world are achieved peacefully. It is the purpose of this chapter to provide impetus toward this goal by addressing the problem of reduction and control of armaments looking toward ultimate world disarmament."

(Do you see how they actually create all the wars since the United Nations, but get the world to think if we all give away our guns, we will be safe, this is classic Hegelian Dialectic, and here. They will cause change, through manipulating the mass into making a decision. It doesnt even matter if it is a bad decision for the Elite, it is a push into a different direction. A game of chess, where we are always moving. Too bad most people cant see that the box we live in gets smaller, no matter what the discussion is about.)

Next look in the same subchapter, $2552 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002552----000-.html):
"The terms “arms control” and “disarmament” mean the identification, verification, inspection, limitation, control, reduction, or elimination, of armed forces and armaments of all kinds under international agreement including the necessary steps taken under such an agreement to establish an effective system of international control, or to create and strengthen international organizations for the maintenance of peace."

Its right there! In the US Code since 1961! And look! THEY ARE GETTING RID OF ALL THE MILITARY! Think im crazy? ALL NATIONS in the UN have been steadily working since its inception to disarm COMPLETELY. Believe me, not many other nations even have guns!

Now go to Subchapter 3, $2571 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00002571----000-.html):
3(a): "Control, reduction and elimination of armed forces and armaments:
the detection, identification, inspection, monitoring, limitation, reduction, control, and elimination of armed forces and armaments, including thermonuclear, nuclear, missile, conventional, bacteriological, chemical, and radiological weapons: "

Now, this Public Law 87-297 was explained further in 2 different instances, a State Dept Document called "Publication 7277 (http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html)", and "The Blue Print for the Peace Race (http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/globalpoverty/pdfs/2009-02-27-commonweal-article.pdf)." It is a 35-page booklet printed by the United States Arms Control and Disarmament Agency as Publication No. 4 - General Series 3 - Released May of 1962. Publication No. 4 is the unabridged version of State Department Document 7277.

Both of these booklets explain how our military is to be reduced to 2.1 million men. China and the Soviets are to be reduced to that level also. At this point, we are at Stage I at which time we are to transfer (on a permanent basis) one-half of our armed forces to be merged with the Russian and Chinese armies. In Stage II, the remaining one-half of our armed forces is then turned over to this same Security Council of the United Nations. The person in charge of the merged armies must, by agreement, always be a Russian. The world's smaller nations turn 100% of their armies over to the same under-secretary of the Security, Council in Stage II. President George Bush and Admiral Wm. J. Crowe [have referred] to this process as being "in transition."(1993)

Every couple of years the House of Representatives votes to appropriate funds for this on-going program. Since P.L. 87-297 was first passed into law in 1961, there have been 18 updates to it. The Congress knows that the plan includes the policing of the United States by foreign troops. (The world army they are forming in Europe.) The Congress is allowing our military bases to be closed down, except for those that will be used by the world army. You will find that plan in Publication 7277 and in "The Blueprint for the Peace Race."

The Congress has praised these documents and is on record in Senate hearings. Ask your librarian for "Revision of the United Nations Charter - Hearings Before a Subcommittee (Foreign Relations) Feb. 2-20, 1950 U.S.Government Printing Office." The ultimate goal to be reached in Stage III of the disarmament process is to "[color=red]proceed to a point where no state [nation] would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened U.N. Peace Force...."

So, dont let any politician fool you, or the Supreme Court. Treaties TRUMP the Constitution. PERIOD. It is just a matter of time.....

Dogman
29th December 2011, 08:52 AM
If already on the books, That sounds like the old Texas law, that if you are caught with a pair of wire cutters you can be arrested.

sirgonzo420
29th December 2011, 08:56 AM
If already on the books, That sounds like the old Texas law, that if you are caught with a pair of wire cutters you can be arrested.

In a lot of places if you get caught with a certain flower you can be arrested.

Dogman
29th December 2011, 08:58 AM
In a lot of places if you get caught with certain plant matter you can be arrested. But in the bad old days, depending who did the catching, they might of hung you from the nearest tree.

midnight rambler
29th December 2011, 08:59 AM
In a lot of places if you get caught with a certain flower you can be arrested.

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sirgonzo420
29th December 2011, 09:02 AM
....

haha.

I was trying to be more broad, and include others, but dammit, flower does sound better!

I had to go back and change it..... ;)

mick silver
29th December 2011, 09:13 AM
just one more reason we need the UN out of the usa . one day they will be all of our slave master . NWO PIGS

Horn
29th December 2011, 09:43 AM
http://www.systemicpeace.org/war1991s.jpg

Ponce
29th December 2011, 10:56 AM
Also if you are found with the feather of an Eagle you can be arrested, even if you found it on the ground.