Wanting to move but unsure of where

[Shami-Amourae]

For over a year now I've been saying I wanted to leave California. I kept letting it slide since I got too much into buying Silver, focusing on getting as much metal as I could instead of actually trying to relocate. It's a bigger deal to me than most people since I'm extremely anti-social.


I was in talks with Gaillo for a while about moving near him, but he never really would get back to me in a timely manner, so that connection doesn't seem very reliable (no offense to Gaillo since I do respect him a lot still.)

I looked at many possible places, but the number one problem is I basically don't know anyone in any the places I'm interested in. I also have a small income of around $30,000, which is from my Internet business (which is good since I can move literally anywhere.) I do want to live somewhere I can get a job down the line if I need to.

Here are my observations based on my research of places I'm interested in relocating to, and their pros/cons.


Southern Utah (Cedar City)
Pros: Cheap. Clean. Low crime. Pro-gun. Cheap land. Middle of nowhere. Part-time legislature. Mormon culture.
Cons: Mormons. No jobs. Lack of fresh water. Radiation? FEMA camp nearby (Cedar City)? Have to know people to get jobs? Mormons discriminate?

Northern Utah (Logan/Ogden/Provo/Orem)
Pros: Cheap. Semi-clean. Somewhat low crime. Pro-gun. Logan has no fluoride in the water. Part-time legislature. Mormon culture.
Cons: Mormons. Cold. Salt Lake City close by. Mormons discriminate?

Nevada (Elko)
Pros: Decent economy. In the middle of nowhere. Gold mining community. Cheap land.
Cons: Lack of water. In the middle of nowhere. Lack of housing. Jobs only for mining? FEMA camp nearby? Temporary boom town?

Idaho (Boise)
Pros: It's Idaho. Freer state. Surrounded by farms. Top pick on Joel Skousen's list (http://www.joelskousen.com/strategic.html). Gun friendly state.
Cons: Too large of a metro area? Unemployment is rocky?

Texas (Austin)
Pros: Great jobs. Tech/video game community. Alex Jones/Mike Adams lives there. Police Chief is a patriot.
Cons: Expensive. Overcrowded. Crime not so good? Nuclear facility nearby? Lack of water? Gangs?

Wyoming
Pros: Free state project is there. One of the freest states/places. Middle of nowhere. Low taxes. Part-time legislature. Pro-gun.
Cons: No one lives there? Can't find much information? Need to know people to get jobs? Cold.

South Dakota (Rapid City)
Pros: Decent economy. Surrounded by farms/hills. In the middle of nowhere. Lack of people. Part-time legislature. Fairly libertarian leaning.
Cons: In the middle of nowhere. Cold. Flooding. Lack of people. Lot of creepy occult activity?

Kansas (Wichita)
Pros: Cheap living. Good economy. Surrounded by farms.
Cons: Near Military Base. Gang problem in inner-city. Terrain is flat (hard to defend/hide.) Tornados. Economy based on military industrial complex.





I'd love to roommate with someone, but I'd only want to do it with someone I could obviously trust. It sort of worries me moving in with someone with a horde of Silver and somehow keeping that a secret (unless the other roommate had that lifestyle too.) That's why I'm posting this here. I like basically everyone who posts on this forum.


I listed all these places I'm interested in. Frankly I can't decide amongst any of them and feel completely confused/lost the more I research it.

[woodman]

How about a piney woods in east Texas. Lots of nice country around there. Tennessee and Kentucky are nice but I think the nukes abound there. Hell, no place in the northern hemisphere is safe. Arizona is damn nice but is overrun with Mexicans now. How about southern Colorado?

[Dogman]

How about a piney woods in east Texas. Lots of nice country around there. Tennessee and Kentucky are nice but I think the nukes abound there. Hell, no place in the northern hemisphere is safe. Arizona is damn nice but is overrun with Mexicans now. How about southern Colorado? The mexicans are moveing in to e-Tex, and yes barksdaile afb is only 80-90 miles due east of me in lousyanna. This place is turning into a fire trap, even if jobs here are not so bad for the younger people, but for the older farts not so much. Keep away from e-Tx getting too dam crowed here. Hope to move away in a few years , if I live long enough.

Look at state income taxes or lack of, look at general cost of living. Look at what the area primarily produces and see if your skill sets can mesh or be unique, which is a good thing. All areas have good and bad, Arkansas can be a very good place to live , depending.

Homework and due diligence is a must.

[chad]

south dakota. used to live there, would move back if i could. god's country, people leave you alone, no taxes, hunt anywhere you want, feds don't care about it so "creep" will always be minimal, close to canada, etc.

[sunshine05]

I don't know. We're still talking about moving to New Hampshire just to be near like minded people. It's very cold but I can deal with that. It's tough to move to a new place though so I understand your hesitation. Maybe you could narrow it down to a few places and go visit the area and see what you think. Good luck.

[Olmstein]

How is "Mormon culture" a pro, and "Mormons" a con?

Try Oregon, near Ponce and Agnut.

[Dogman]

How is "Mormon culture" a pro, and "Mormons" a con?

Try Oregon, near Ponce and Agnut.

But keep out of rifle range!

[EE_]

Are you an old guy looking for a place to die? Try a nursing home. just kidding.
You are single, right?
If you are a young guy, wouldn't you want to be where the action is?...dames, parties, beaches, warm weather etc.

Life is not about the destination...it's about the journey getting there!

[cortez]

sheridan, wy

[Dogman]

Are you an old guy looking for a place to die? Try a nursing home. just kidding.
You are single, right?
If you are a young guy, wouldn't you want to be where the action is?...dames, parties, beaches, warm weather etc.

Life is not about the destination...it's about the journey getting there!

Hell of a truth if the op is young!

And eat shit and die EE! LOL! Some of us older farts , want quiet and no one to screw with us!

Nursing homes, dude go play out in the highway!

Grin!

[Book]

I'd love to roommate with someone, but I'd only want to do it with someone I could obviously trust.



Couple of friendly observations:

1) You are talking about strangers, on the internet or in real life, and obviously "trusting" strangers in a new town is both naive and foolish.

2) In this DEPRESSION economy expecting ANY employment in a new out-of-state town is very unrealistic. Hell, even the locals can't find a job.

:) fleeing California does make a lot of sense!

[midnight rambler]

Consideration regarding living where it can get cold and stay cold all winter - it requires a lot of energy to keep your abode warm unless you plan it out well, which is doable if you build the right structure (e.g. a ferro-concrete dome) and source your energy locally and cheaply. Another consideration is availability of good water.

[BabushkaLady]

Hey Shami-

Why don't you make a "perfect" list for us and we'll point you to the location that meets most of your criteria??

Some of your locations were cold, some were hot. What's the most important thing? What would be nice, and what would not matter at all?

Also what age range are you in and how about family?

Some of us might even know of a care-taking position, house for rent or even roomies in the area you're looking. I always suggest people move somewhere first and buy land after they know the real facts. (not say'n realtors lie or anything :p )

[Dogman]

Hey Shami-

Why don't you make a "perfect" list for us and we'll point you to the location that meets most of your criteria??

Some of your locations were cold, some were hot. What's the most important thing? What would be nice, and what would not matter at all?

Also what age range are you in and how about family?

Some of us might even know of a care-taking position, house for rent or even roomies in the area you're looking. I always suggest people move somewhere first and buy land after they know the real facts. (not say'n realtors lie or anything :p ) What she said!

List your hobby's, and likes and wants. Nowhere is perfect but somewhere might be for you.

[midnight rambler]

Costa Rica is perfect for some, ask Horn.

Pura vida.

[Dogman]

Costa Rica is perfect for some, ask Horn.

Pura vida.

Just stay away from the water, see what it did to horn!

Just kidding Horn!

LMFAO

[johnlvs2run]

For over a year now I've been saying I wanted to leave California. I kept letting it slide

Be careful with that sliding talk.

I was looking into Cedar City and Elko a few years ago. I visited CC in 2004, expected the land to be cheap, but it was extremely expensive. I couldn't find any agents to show me any property, which was quite strange. They were all busy doing nothing in their offices. It impressed me as being a very strange place. I would be careful with the Mormans, as they can ostrasize outsiders. For one thing I do NOT like people knocking on my door and begging for money.

Austin is hot and humid in the summers. It can be over 100 degrees for 4 months in a row.

I would like to visit Wyoming. A good friend lives there and loves it.

I'd like to visit South Dakota too, though it might be too cold for me. The same for Wyoming.

I lived near Wichita in high school. It is hot and humid in the summers, cold and windy in the winters, and has brutal tornados. The thing about not living on the coasts is that many places are not tolerant of differences.

Living near like minded, friendly open minded people is a big plus for me.

[Dogman]

Be careful with that sliding talk.

I was looking into Cedar City and Elko a few years ago. I visited CC in 2004, expected the land to be cheap, but it was extremely expensive. I couldn't find any agents to show me any property, which was quite strange. They were all busy doing nothing in their offices. It impressed me as being a very strange place. I would be careful with the Mormans, as they can ostrasize outsiders. For one thing I do NOT like people knocking on my door and begging for money.

Austin is hot and humid in the summers. It can be over 100 degrees for 4 months in a row.

I would love to visit Wyoming. A good friend lives there and loves it.

I'd love to visit South Dakota too, thought it might be too cold for me. The same for Wyoming.

I lived near Wichita in high school. It is hot and humid in the summers, cold and windy in the winters, and has brutal tornados. The thing about not living on the coasts is that many places are not tolerant of differences.

Living near like minded, friendly open minded people is a big plus for me. wyoning has fewer people than the city next to me. And there are very limited kind of industrial type jobs but in the western side it will knock your eyes out, if you like ice sickles growing off your eyebrows in the winter

[johnlvs2run]

Consideration regarding living where it can get cold and stay cold all winter - it requires a lot of energy to keep your abode warm unless you plan it out well, which is doable if you build the right structure (e.g. a ferro-concrete dome) and source your energy locally and cheaply. Another consideration is availability of good water.

Well said. I'd love to live in a concrete dome or concrete block home.


Hey Shami-

I always suggest people move somewhere first and buy land after they know the real facts. (not say'n realtors lie or anything :p )

That's great advice, and what I plan to do first when/if I move.

[Dogman]

Well said. I'd love to live in a concrete dome or concrete block home.



That's great advice, and what I plan to do first when/if I move. Find the local 'greasy spoon' the locals hang out at, and become a 'regular' there.

[Libertytree]

I'm fascinated by this thread and can't wait to see Shami's answers. Yeah, I have my own slant on it but I want to ponder on it a bit.

[Dogman]

I'm fascinated by this thread and can't wait to see Shami's answers. Yeah, I have my own slant on it but I want to ponder on it a bit. Can you move far enough south, to escape the cold and still use English as the native language and feel comfortable> LOL

[Ponce]

Hey Shami? I was living in Anaheim CA before moving into the woods of OR and have never regret it........owning my own home all that I need per year, not counting gasoline and food, is only $4,400......that's for the whole package which includes tax for the house, insurance for the house, insurance for two cars, telephone, power, trash pick up, WWW and so on.....we have no local or state taxes.........only way to go.........almost forgot.......and I am in Oregon hahahahaahha.

[Libertytree]

Can you move far enough south, to escape the cold and still use English as the native language and feel comfortable> LOL

Me? I'm in south FL and I'm not going very much north of here, Lord willin' and the crick don't rise. Oct in Ky was a miserable SOB as far as I'm concerned and when its 40 here I get bitchy.

[Dogman]

Me? I'm in south FL and I'm not going very much north of here, Lord willin' and the crick don't rise. Oct in Ky was a miserable SOB as far as I'm concerned and when its 40 here I get bitchy. 1989

[johnlvs2run]

Hey Shami? I was living in Anaheim CA before moving into the woods of OR and have never regret it........owning my own home all that I need per year, not counting gasoline and food, is only $4,400......that's for the whole package which includes tax for the house, insurance for the house, insurance for two cars, telephone, power, trash pick up, WWW and so on.....we have no local or state taxes.........only way to go.........almost forgot.......and I am in Oregon hahahahaahha.

That's a great idea to add those all up, something else that I need to do.

[hoarder]

We have a lot of escaped Californians in Montana, I can't really blame them but I think most of them did not define exactly what about California they were escaping from, and many have gotten into politics here and changed things to make it more like California...and many Montanans don't like Californians because of it.

I can think of many reasons to escape california immediately, but you should define it for yourself.

Montana has a very low population and most of the people here were born elsewhere. Low population makes it attractive to people who are anti-social.

The worst thing about moving here is there are no jobs, but you have that under control. The cost of living is low.

[Sparky]

Like Babushka lady said, you haven't really told us what you're looking for.

If you're talking about survival resources, you want to start with water and trees, and avoid extreme climate conditions. Many on your list fail right away.

[Dogman]

Like Babushka lady said, you haven't really told us what you're looking for.

If you're talking about survival resources, you want to start with water and trees, and avoid extreme climate conditions. Many on your list fail right away.

shangri la

It will not happen, close but never a cigar

[Shami-Amourae]

How is "Mormon culture" a pro, and "Mormons" a con?

Try Oregon, near Ponce and Agnut.
They are into preparedness, pro-family, and they are less likely to be criminals. The conflict is that I'm an atheist and run an adult business.

[Dogman]

They are into preparedness, pro-family, and they are less likely to be criminals. The conflict is that I'm an atheist and run an adult business. Then avoid or be burnt at the stake.

[Shami-Amourae]

Are you an old guy looking for a place to die? Try a nursing home. just kidding.
You are single, right?
If you are a young guy, wouldn't you want to be where the action is?...dames, parties, beaches, warm weather etc.

Life is not about the destination...it's about the journey getting there!

I'm single (on purpose) and in my mid-20s. I'm more of one of those detached computer nerds who prefers being alone as much as possible. Never been into parties/alcohol. That stuff isn't me.

[solid]

Shami, I think you should also consider places OUTSIDE the US. Have you thought about Costa Rica (already mentioned). Or Iceland perhaps? Iceland told the big banks to pound sand. They are also a geothermal climate, low dependance on big oil, and a lot of great looking women too..so I've been told.

[Shami-Amourae]

Hey Shami-

Why don't you make a "perfect" list for us and we'll point you to the location that meets most of your criteria??

Some of your locations were cold, some were hot. What's the most important thing? What would be nice, and what would not matter at all?

Also what age range are you in and how about family?


Frankly I'm a artsy computer nerd who does everything related to art and computers besides making music. So I have a strong background in the culinary arts and making video games (which I do for a living now, independently.) My goal is to get out of California so I can live in a cheaper area where I can save and be/feel more free. I'm already a prepper, but I don't have a much more than a patio garden on my balcony since that's the only outside area I own in my condo. I'd like to eventually get a decent size garden and raise live animals like chickens, rabbits, and talapia so I can be more self sufficient. I generally like being away from people, but I fear my business will not be there one day so I want to be in a tech/nerd friendly area I could get a techy job one day if I needed to. My personal business generates small income, though I want to keep doing it since it's what I love to do, so I need to live in a more affordable environment.

But I don't know, there's no perfect places so it's really all about trade offs.




Some of us might even know of a care-taking position, house for rent or even roomies in the area you're looking. I always suggest people move somewhere first and buy land after they know the real facts. (not say'n realtors lie or anything :p )
Yeah that's basically what I'm looking for. I want to sell my metals when the prices skyrocket or/and the money changes over, and buy actual land later on, but in the meantime get some cheap 1 bedroom apartment/room or something simple. I just need some connections, since I have none really. I have to take the risk of trusting strangers, but at least I believe the people on this forum are a lot better than just shooting in the dark.

[EE_]

I'm single (on purpose) and in my mid-20s. I'm more of one of those detached computer nerds who prefers being alone as much as possible. Never been into parties/alcohol. That stuff isn't me.


Maybe you should try being more social? You might even have fun!
http://nerdapalooza.org/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRtuwDxmvOI&feature=player_embedded#!

[Shami-Amourae]

Hey Shami? I was living in Anaheim CA before moving into the woods of OR and have never regret it........owning my own home all that I need per year, not counting gasoline and food, is only $4,400......that's for the whole package which includes tax for the house, insurance for the house, insurance for two cars, telephone, power, trash pick up, WWW and so on.....we have no local or state taxes.........only way to go.........almost forgot.......and I am in Oregon hahahahaahha.

I never consider Oregon since it has such a high level of welfare recipients. I'm actually better off moving to Northern California (Jefferson) than going to Oregon in my view. But I want to get away from all this Liberalism/Socialism nonsense.

[Shami-Amourae]

Shami, I think you should also consider places OUTSIDE the US. Have you thought about Costa Rica (already mentioned). Or Iceland perhaps? Iceland told the big banks to pound sand. They are also a geothermal climate, low dependance on big oil, and a lot of great looking women too..so I've been told.

Not interested in leaving the United States right now, though maybe in the future if things got a lot worse. I haven't even seen the rest of the country, so I don't think it's wise to rule it out. Secondly, I don't want to learn a new language. Thirdly I think its a bad plan to be a foreigner in a different country during a global SHTF scenario.

I'm still hoping there's a secession event taking place in the future like the collapse of the Soviet Union. If Texas or Alaska left the union I'd move the next day, somehow, someway.

[zap]

I have known people who sold their home here went to Oregon and came back, they couldn't make it there, no work whatsoever, they were in there late 50's, sold their house here and bought up there, couldn't make it, then sold their house up there and no way could buy again here. They are renting here now.

[Dogman]

I have known people who sold their home here went to Oregon and came back, they couldn't make it there, no work whatsoever, they were in there late 50's, sold their house here and bought up there, couldn't make it, then sold their house up there and no way could buy again here. They are renting here now. Very true..jumping without seeing where they would land.

[Shami-Amourae]

Maybe you should try being more social? You might even have fun!


I do, and I've had some success, but I think I need to do it out of California, since 99% the nerds here are Socialists.

[solid]

What about Russia?

You can always find work teaching English over there. Man, I went on a date with a Russian gal earlier tonight. First time meeting her, and Wow! Her mannerisms, light sandy hair, eyes that light up. Something about these women, Russian gals folks. I'm sold. Imagine, a whole country full of women like that.

[Dogman]

What about Russia?

You can always find work teaching English over there. Man, I went on a date with a Russian gal earlier tonight. First time meeting her, and Wow! Her mannerisms, light sandy hair, eyes that light up. Something about these women, Russian gals folks. I'm sold. Imagine, a whole country full of women like that.

Instant pussy whipped.

[BarneyFag]

Start driving, you will know when you get there. Since i'm licensed in California, i think i should stay here, just maybe up North.
Im really hoping the high speed rail actually happens and i could commute, a few times a week, to my office and start a new office up north.

[Neuro]

They are into preparedness, pro-family, and they are less likely to be criminals. The conflict is that I'm an atheist and run an adult business.

Hmmm... How about California?








;D

[Horn]

Costa Rica is perfect for some, ask Horn.

Pura vida.

With a hop skip and a jump over initial Gov. red tape,

you can actually own a small piece of property here free and clear with very little (if any) future tax obligations on it.

[palani]

The possibility should be raised that you can move from California and yet not physically move an inch.

States are virtual entities. They exist only in the mind of man. Where ever you go physically you are going to take your mind with you. Save lots of gas and energy. Stay put.

[JDRock]

shami, pm me about wyo,utah montana or idaho,i did a hell of alot of research before i moved and im willing to share it with you.

[solid]

Shami, since you work from home, and can take your job with you...why not do the RV travel tour? You could work as you go, see all the different places you might like to live. If you find a place that you really like, simply stay there.

[learn2swim]

shami, pm me about wyo,utah montana or idaho,i did a hell of alot of research before i moved and im willing to share it with you.

How about a reader's digest version of what you found, if you would be so kind?

[milehi]

Shami- alot of the locations on your list, you're gonna need to bring your own lady. I just sold one house in CA, and the other is going through a short sale. I was thinking of relocating to northern AZ, but now I'm looking at a BMW moto to circle the globe to scratch this wanderlust/walkabout itch that I have. I guess now I know why I've been selling off cars and the boat, and growing a beard ha ha. Have a great new year everyone!

[EE_]

Shami- alot of the locations on your list, you're gonna need to bring your own lady. I just sold one house in CA, and the other is going through a short sale. I was thinking of relocating to northern AZ, but now I'm looking at a BMW moto to circle the globe to scratch this wanderlust/walkabout itch that I have. I guess now I know why I've been selling off cars and the boat, and growing a beard ha ha. Have a great new year everyone!

Wow man, that's wild! A beard too! Is this your first midlife crisis? lol Trust me there's a few of those coming.
Anyway, it sounds great!

It's all about the trip getting there!
Best of luck in the new year!
Bob

[palani]

now I'm looking at a BMW moto to circle the globe to scratch this wanderlust/walkabout itch that I have.

Suggested reading .... Investment Biker by Jim Rogers.

[k-os]

Shami-Amourae, this is a great thread.

I loved South Dakota, and highly recommend it, if you can stand the cold winters. If I could (and maybe someday I will), I'd like to be a snowbird with my two places being somewhere in AZ/NV for the winter and SD in the summer. It's really beautiful in SD, and although people will leave you alone, they're also very quick to help a neighbor at the drop of a hat. The sense of community is very strong up there, but . . . you'd need to be a part of that community too, and I know about your lack of desire for being social.

I also really like solid's idea of taking an RV trip to get a good view of the people and the area. But I am biased. :)

I wish you the best of luck, and I hope you keep us all updated in your search and eventual re-location!

[JDRock]

How about a reader's digest version of what you found, if you would be so kind?

there are 3 free states left ; idaho montana and wyoming....the rest is already occupied territory. This is khe sahn folks, and the resupply helos are NOT coming. geography is THE (imo) most important consideration in a shtf scenario. even the best prepared person in a police state is STILL incarcerated! One might as well check in to the state prison with your preps...
the cops have gone MAD, and that will pale in light of the hoards of mindless panicking zombies who will sell their brothers soul for a single meal....they will be desperate....

[Shami-Amourae]

there are 3 free states left ; idaho montana and wyoming....the rest is already occupied territory. This is khe sahn folks, and the resupply helos are NOT coming. geography is THE (imo) most important consideration in a shtf scenario. even the best prepared person in a police state is STILL incarcerated! One might as well check in to the state prison with your preps...
the cops have gone MAD, and that will pale in light of the hoards of mindless panicking zombies who will sell their brothers soul for a single meal....they will be desperate....

Any specific locations/cities? I mean those states have poor economies the last I checked.

See this:
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=usunemployment

[MNeagle]

This is khe sahn folks

translation please?

[steyr_m]

Not on your list -- N. Dakota has one of the lowest unemplyment rates in the country. Plus, you'd be a stone's throw from me ;-)

[hoarder]

Any specific locations/cities? I mean those states have poor economies the last I checked.

See this:
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=usunemploymentIf your source of income is an internet marketing operation, who cares?

[Korbin Dallas]

Not interested in leaving the United States right now, though maybe in the future if things got a lot worse.

Living in Commiefornia is living outside the United States ;). Every time we leave the state, I tell my boys we are entering the US, when we come home, I tell them we are back in the state that is so far left, it has left the US.

[Shami-Amourae]

Not on your list -- N. Dakota has one of the lowest unemplyment rates in the country. Plus, you'd be a stone's throw from me ;-)

I didn't include it on the list since I've heard stories about how there's such little housing. Plus it seems too cold for me. South Dakota seems like the superior of the two, so I just consider that over North Dakota.

[Shami-Amourae]

If your source of income is an internet marketing operation, who cares?

Because I want a Plan B if my business fails.

[Kali]

What I find, as a Californian, is that in other states they don't like me. And thats because Im from California.

A friend and I moved to Billings Montana years ago and we were always in fights with locals and indians. The indians f'n hated us. They tried to get us on "their land" several times but luckily I knew how to fight and beat the shit out of them. I sold a lot of silver to pay lawyers to keep me out of prison during that time. The indians run deep there.

It all started by us walking into an indian bar one day not knowing it was an indian bar...long story.

I went back to Cali....my buddy left to Oregon...he dealt with the same crap there. They hate him since he was from Cali...

He's been there for years now and is one with them now so thats good. He had to kick a lot of ass to earn respect. He'll never have the true friendship bonds there though, at least IMO.

I am back in Cali with long term friends and of course family...and I "know the area". I dont think moving elsewhere can be any better for this fact alone.

If you dont have friends and family in Cali that you will need for "back" someday then by all means scope some other places out...but I would suggest renting first and getting to know people.

Its all about the people.

Living on top of a mountain or in the woods might sound perfect but if the people around you are against you then you are nothing to them when hard times come.

California is huge...maybe try finding a place here first...Northern?

Where ever you move, check out the neighbors...you could be in the "right place" but if you got shitty neighbors, well, there goes the neighborhood.

If you do move out, dont tell anyone you are from Cali...tell em you're from Oregon or something.

Thats rock solid advice right there. LIE

[Tumbleweed]

What I find, as a Californian, is that in other states they don't like me. And thats because Im from California.

A friend and I moved to Billings Montana years ago and we were always in fights with locals and indians. The indians f'n hated us. They tried to get us on "their land" several times but luckily I knew how to fight and beat the shit out of them. I sold a lot of silver to pay lawyers to keep me out of prison during that time. The indians run deep there.

It all started by us walking into an indian bar one day not knowing it was an indian bar...long story.



Montana and the western Dakotas are indian country and it's best to stay out of the bars and be careful around the indians. They may kind of look like some old hippies but they ain't. Especialy if they've been drinking. Nighttime is a bad time to be on the reservation.

It's alright to be around them if you have friends among them but when the drinkin starts it's time to get the hell out of there. A few years ago a friend and I were invited by Hank Realbird to come and camp with them along the Little Big Horn river where Custer tried to cross it. The Crows have that ground now but it was the Sioux that fought Custer and the Crows were helping him. They were doing a re-enactment of the battle so we went. They had killed a buffalo and cooked it up there along the river so we camped and ate with them. They had a sweat lodge set up along the river and after we'd eaten they envited us to take part in a sweat in the lodge with them. My friend chose to stay at the campfire, make music and tell stories. I took part in the sweat with them. The fellow in the video I'm going to post is one of the indians who invited us and that I did the sweat with.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPl9k3MAniM

[hoarder]

Because I want a Plan B if my business fails.If the place you move to has to have a good economy, that narrows it down a whole lot. Not only is the economy getting worse everywhere, but most places that have jobs are hellholes. Maybe you can come up with a plan B of another internet marketing business.

[hoarder]

You brought up some good points, Kali. When you live in a remote area, you relationship with neighbors and locals is of paramount importance, and will be more so WTSHTF. Montanans generally are disgusted with Californians and Washingtonians. But only half the people here are Montanans. The Bitterroot valley has so many Californians the Montanans call it "Northern California".

[MNeagle]

I'd suggest something non-internet, should it cease to exist as we know it today...

[Spectrism]

Unless you have a sizable savings amount, $30k/yr won't get you much in most places. Without a network of friends/family, it is hard to find an opening. In the past, being a Church member would open doors and provide a safety net. These days it is hard to find a real church group that is really part of the Church.

Since your chosen life pursuits do not agree with aything God can bless, you are in a dangerous place. It may take some very difficult experiences ahead for you to surrender to the True one. If you had all the money you could ever use, you would be no better off than you are now... unless you are at peace with God. This year will bring in more turmoil than people could have imagined. The only peace and security that will mean anything will be friendship with the Creator.

[steyr_m]

Plus it seems too cold for me. South Dakota seems like the superior of the two, so I just consider that over North Dakota.

Yeah, there's very little housing for a reason -- because there's jobs. Hey, I'm north of N. Dakota.... the weather here isn't that bad. Plus, it's a dry cold....

[hoarder]

Unless you have a sizable savings amount, $30k/yr won't get you much in most places.Are you kidding? Making 30K a year is the height of ambition around here. Most get by with half that and are happy.

There is no state tax. No high electric bills for air conditioning. You heat with wood, which is free for the taking.

[Spectrism]

Are you kidding? Making 30K a year is the height of ambition around here. Most get by with half that and are happy.

There is no state tax. No high electric bills for air conditioning. You heat with wood, which is free for the taking.

Where is that?

I think that soon we will need to figure out how to get along on $0 per year. That time will be here when they attach personal value to the use of their money.

[Shami-Amourae]

Montana doesn't seem like a welcome place to me, even though I respect the people.

I do know one way to see if a community is geek friendly: See if they have a local Anime club (http://www.meetup.com/find/?keywords=anime&mcId=&mcName=&lat=&lon=&userFreeform=&gcResults=&op=search&resetgeo=true&events=&submitButton=Search). That's usually a good indicator.

I'm starting to think I should add Boise, Idaho to my list. It seems to be decent for all worlds. I wrote it off earlier since it had a shaky economy, but I should just focus on doing my own Internet businesses, and perhaps I could be okay? Dunno.

[osoab]

They are into preparedness, pro-family, and they are less likely to be criminals. The conflict is that I'm an atheist and run an adult business.


They are probably your largest customer base. ;D

[JDRock]

translation please?
khe sahn was a base in so vienam which was surrounded by cong and nva for months if memory serves me....there was NOTHING the entire us army could do but drop occasional supplies...

[JDRock]

there are 3 free states left ; idaho montana and wyoming....the rest is already occupied territory. This is khe sahn folks, and the resupply helos are NOT coming. geography is THE (imo) most important consideration in a shtf scenario. even the best prepared person in a police state is STILL incarcerated! One might as well check in to the state prison with your preps...
the cops have gone MAD, and that will pale in light of the hoards of mindless panicking zombies who will sell their brothers soul for a single meal....they will be desperate....

when i got to idaho from illinois i was amazed that there were ARMED protestors outside the courthouse DEMANDING to be allowerd IN during their trial! there reasoning was " if the baliff is packing, so should we" ! see, its WHERE the battle lines on critical issues are drawn. try thay in jewyork!

[FreeEnergy]

Anywhere outside US. Preferably outside Canada too. Caribbean would be nice, such as Netherland Antilles. Central America. Try across the border Mexico. Belize has english as their official language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_English_is_an_official_lan guage

[solid]

I do know one way to see if a community is geek friendly: See if they have a local Anime club (http://www.meetup.com/find/?keywords=anime&mcId=&mcName=&lat=&lon=&userFreeform=&gcResults=&op=search&resetgeo=true&events=&submitButton=Search). That's usually a good indicator.

I'm starting to think I should add Boise, Idaho to my list.

You could snuggle up with Book then.;D

(sorry couldn't resist)

You could also think about Denver, CO. I know they have a big Tech industry, very geek friendly. The surrounding areas are nice too, the little mountain towns. I lived in CO for awhile, they are friendly to folks from California. They'll tease ya though, in good nature.

I've found if you are friendly to people that goes a long way, where ever you decide to go.

[DMac]

Unless you have a sizable savings amount, $30k/yr won't get you much in most places. Without a network of friends/family, it is hard to find an opening. In the past, being a Church member would open doors and provide a safety net. These days it is hard to find a real church group that is really part of the Church.

Since your chosen life pursuits do not agree with aything God can bless, you are in a dangerous place. It may take some very difficult experiences ahead for you to surrender to the True one. If you had all the money you could ever use, you would be no better off than you are now... unless you are at peace with God. This year will bring in more turmoil than people could have imagined. The only peace and security that will mean anything will be friendship with the Creator.

#1 on the prep list, get right with God, however you choose to define your faith.

[Shami-Amourae]

You could snuggle up with Book then.;D

(sorry couldn't resist)

You could also think about Denver, CO. I know they have a big Tech industry, very geek friendly. The surrounding areas are nice too, the little mountain towns. I lived in CO for awhile, they are friendly to folks from California. They'll tease ya though, in good nature.

I've found if you are friendly to people that goes a long way, where ever you decide to go.

I'd love to meet up with Book, it would probably be a hilarious experience.

I fear Colorado since NORAD is located in Colorado Springs, and you have the big super secret underground government base under the Denver Airport that acts as the backup government/evilness headquarters.

[DMac]

You could snuggle up with Book then.;D

(sorry couldn't resist)

You could also think about Denver, CO. I know they have a big Tech industry, very geek friendly. The surrounding areas are nice too, the little mountain towns. I lived in CO for awhile, they are friendly to folks from California. They'll tease ya though, in good nature.

I've found if you are friendly to people that goes a long way, where ever you decide to go.


While Denver is nice I would recommend looking into Boulder CO. it's a beautiful place.

[Shami-Amourae]

While Denver is nice I would recommend looking into Boulder CO. it's a beautiful place.
Rent seems too high?

[solid]

Rent seems too high?

Rent can be high, but Boulder is a college town. I know you are a bit anti-social (nothing wrong with that), but Boulder has a lot of beautiful young gals. Since you are young... :) It could be a lot of fun.

The great thing about the Colorado front range, is all the little mountain towns. Grand Lake, Co, outside of Boulder is beautiful. There's a lot of elk there too.