Having trouble sleeping last two days, anyone else?

[General of Darkness]

Dunno wtf is going on. It's 2am and I'm wide awake.

[Gaillo]

Yep.
Something's in the air...

[BrewTech]

Same here brother. Two nights ago woke up at 2:30, knew right away that sleeping was done, said fuck it and put the coffee on.

It was happening a lot, but it seemed to be related to alcohol consumption, so believe it or not I decided to give it up - not a single beer all week.

Now I'm hearing others are having trouble... wtf?

[joboo]

scannned

[Tumbleweed]

I never sleep all night so that's normal for me. The older you get the more it happens. Since the days are so short now and it's dark so early sometimes I go to bed before 6pm. If I wake up at 2 or 3 in the morning I just get up and go to work. I've been canning meat lately and canned up some hamburger lastnight. If you wake up General and can't go back to sleep get up and do something and don't waste the time. I catch up on reading alot of times when I can't sleep and that helps to put me back to sleep.

[LastResort]

No problem sleeping last night here...

Might have something to do with the 4kms of hiking with a sleigh and ice fishing gear through ten inches of snow yesterday.

I thing I slept a solid ten hours last night. :)

[woodman]

I have trouble sleeping through the night. Like BrewTech mentioned it is often related to the beer drinking. Wine not so much. I will get up and read until I can fall back asleep. Sometimes I take some nyquill before bed and it helps.

[Tumbleweed]

Drinking beer puts me to sleep. When I go somewhere and I'm sleeping in a strange place I need at least a six pack to help me get to sleep.

[chad]

been waking up a 2 am every night for a week now.

[BrewTech]

Drinking beer puts me to sleep. When I go somewhere and I'm sleeping in a strange place I need at least a six pack to help me get to sleep.

Puts me to sleep too. And between 2 and 4 AM the alcohol wears off and I wake up in a panic... what I'm panicking about varies but the schedule is always the same.

It ain't worth it. Life is tough enough as it is without adding to it with alcohol. Besides, drinking for me was getting away from the group thing and becoming more of a solo activity. Not to mention the beer I drink (and make) ain't cheap. I need to preserve resources right now, not drink them.

Not good, so I said screw it.

ETA: Great... now I'm going to have to change my handle.

[mick silver]

i am up and down all night . i heat my house with wood so i get up at least 2 times a night . but i have never been a guy who could sleep 8 are 10 hours . there is just to much to do . when i die i will get more sleep then i need

[EE_]

Same here brother. Two nights ago woke up at 2:30, knew right away that sleeping was done, said fuck it and put the coffee on.

It was happening a lot, but it seemed to be related to alcohol consumption, so believe it or not I decided to give it up - not a single beer all week.

Now I'm hearing others are having trouble... wtf?

This sounds serious! Have you thought about what you will do with all the extra time you'll have off the lazy boy recliner?

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3209/2905980693_15c013471b_z.jpg

http://d.imagehost.org/0345/tired_big-lebowski.gif

[Ponce]

I get up at leas three times at night to take a pee......once in a while I cannot go back to sleep so that I simply get on the WWW and read for a couple of hours and then go back to sleep.........one good thing about living alone, do what you want to do and when you want to do it.

[solid]

I get up at leas three times at night to take a pee.......

You should get your prostate checked, Ponce. You could even start a thread. My trip to the doctor to get my prostate checked, by me. ;D

I'm having the opposite problem. I've been sleeping a lot the last few days, but still tired. This morning woke up with a fever. Guess that ends my New Year's eve plans tonight.

[Ponce]

Well Solid, I get all excited when ever I go to the Dr becasuse I know that he will push his finger up my ass, I think that I am falling inlove with him...... danm dirty old man..........him not me.........well, maybe me 2.

[solid]

I dread the day I start needing to get prostate exams. I think I'll try to find the hottest doctor gal around that day...

1993

[Shami-Amourae]

I've felt extremely lazy and unable to work the past 2 days, which is unusual since I tend to work like 14 hours a day, everyday.

[LastResort]

Well Solid, I get all excited when ever I go to the Dr becasuse I know that he will push his finger up my ass, I think that I am falling inlove with him...... danm dirty old man..........him not me.........well, maybe me 2.

As long as you don't feel a hand on each shoulder when hes checking your prostate its all good...;)

[Ponce]

As long as you don't feel a hand on each shoulder when hes checking your prostate its all good...;)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, nothing like reading from someone with a personal experience................hehehehehehehehheheeh.

[gunDriller]

i would say, given all that's going on in the World, having trouble sleeping is a sign of Intelligence.

is it possible you can be more specific, GoD ? i mean, if it's a personal thing - NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

but if you are having premonitions of some kind - i would like to hear the details.

i have a feeling that 2012 will be the year where the National Duct Tape (that's holding everything together) loses its stickiness.

personally, i think this is related to the popularity of Ron Paul - the man tells the truth, except for delicate subjects like 9-11.

of course, the Talmud-worshippers are tightening down the screws on their Police State. i would say that 90%+ of the laws they need to pass to "legally" conduct a police state are already on the books. NDAA was one of the most recent examples.

The Jews know that people's focus is coming around to them. i think the Schism between the people & the Judeo-Fascist Police State is obvious to most of us here. That Schism is growing. If Ron Paul were to magically get the Repub. nomination - (which seems logical - seen any people wearing Mitt Romney sweatshirts ?) - then that Schism, people Waking Up, making the Zio-media look like Idiots, would become a lot more obvious.


maybe i'll have a T-Shirt made up -

Mitt Romney
http://readingeagle.com/BlogUploads/11/a%20romney%20fortune.jpg

is an IDIOT.

[Old Herb Lady]

During or after a course or two of antibiotics alot of people become unable to get a good night's rest.
If you can get a hold of some probiotics / acidophilus and take one or two capsules a couple of hours before
bedtime, you should be able to sleep pretty good all night & wake up feeling refreshed.
Good Luck !

[k-os]

I have difficulty sleeping most of the time . . . getting to sleep and staying asleep. When I was in my early 20's I could fall asleep easily, and get back to sleep easily if I was awakened. Those were the days! Not any more, and I don't know exactly when the change happened, but I'll guess somewhere around 28.

Like others have said, it seems like 2:30 AM is my time to wake up for no good reason. It would be more ominous if we were in the same time zone, but we're not, but I still find it interesting. I try to get to bed early, because no matter when I get to sleep, I wake up at 7 ish. It's hellish for myself and those around me if I haven't had my quota of zzzzz's.

BrewTech, thanks for explaining your lack of imbibing. In the "what are you drinking thread" I was stunned at your answer. :) For me, a little bit of alcohol (1-3 drinks drinks) helps with sleep, but any more than that seems to make my sleep time worse. I have had the panic in the middle of the night when the alcohol wears off too. It sucks.

Old Herb Lady, the health food dude told me that Calcium and Magnesium would help me sleep. What do you think about that? (I have been taking it, but don't notice a difference.)

[Serpo]

I have difficulty sleeping most of the time . . . getting to sleep and staying asleep. When I was in my early 20's I could fall asleep easily, and get back to sleep easily if I was awakened. Those were the days! Not any more, and I don't know exactly when the change happened, but I'll guess somewhere around 28.

Like others have said, it seems like 2:30 AM is my time to wake up for no good reason. It would be more ominous if we were in the same time zone, but we're not, but I still find it interesting. I try to get to bed early, because no matter when I get to sleep, I wake up at 7 ish. It's hellish for myself and those around me if I haven't had my quota of zzzzz's.

BrewTech, thanks for explaining your lack of imbibing. In the "what are you drinking thread" I was stunned at your answer. :) For me, a little bit of alcohol (1-3 drinks drinks) helps with sleep, but any more than that seems to make my sleep time worse. I have had the panic in the middle of the night when the alcohol wears off too. It sucks.

Old Herb Lady, the health food dude told me that Calcium and Magnesium would help me sleep. What do you think about that? (I have been taking it, but don't notice a difference.)


My guess and it is a guess .......too much fluoride or low blood sugar


http://www.historyofwaterfilters.com/fluoride-2.html

5) Fluoride disrupts the activity of normally functioning hormones. Fluoride can reduce levels of melatonin, the sleep hormone, in the body, causing chronic insomnia (Hileman, 1988).

[k-os]

My guess and it is a guess .......too much fluoride or low blood sugar

I don't think it's fluoride - I have well water (so I don't ingest fluoridated city water and it doesn't touch my skin), I drink only reverse osmosis water, and use fluoride-free toothpaste.

I will look into low blood sugar. Thanks!

[mightymanx]

I have sleep apnea and had all the problems you folks talk about, that and I never had dreams. The sleep study confirmed no REM for me. (well to be exact 0.82% of the night I had REM)

Now I got the CPAP machine that gives me the best sleep ever 6 hours now is better rest than 12+ before. Only thing that has ever come close is being way way out in the mountians for a few weeks. (like 100 milies from the nearest power line way out there).

[Kali]

Try exercising.

Wear yourself out.

I can't sleep sometimes due to stress but then i exercise and I'm out like a light.

If you exercise and do so that you are sweating bullets and still can't sleep then there could be some health issues.

[Neuro]

I sleep a lot these days, but I am waking up very tired...

[vacuum]

k-os, do you get very tired during the afternoon? I do and I'm pretty sure it's because I usually get short sleep so I'm in a biphasic sleep pattern.


Comparison of sleep patterns

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Monophasic.svg/200px-Monophasic.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monophasic.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Biphasic.svg/200px-Biphasic.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Biphasic.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Everyman.svg/200px-Everyman.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Everyman.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Dymaxion.svg/200px-Dymaxion.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dymaxion.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Uberman.svg/200px-Uberman.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uberman.svg) [18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic#cite_note-17)




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic#Comparison_of_sleep_patterns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic

[k-os]

k-os, do you get very tired during the afternoon? I do and I'm pretty sure it's because I usually get short sleep so I'm in a biphasic sleep pattern.


Comparison of sleep patterns

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Monophasic.svg/200px-Monophasic.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monophasic.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Biphasic.svg/200px-Biphasic.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Biphasic.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Everyman.svg/200px-Everyman.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Everyman.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Dymaxion.svg/200px-Dymaxion.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dymaxion.svg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Uberman.svg/200px-Uberman.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uberman.svg) [18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic#cite_note-17)




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic#Comparison_of_sleep_patterns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic

I get tired in the afternoon, but I usually can't fall asleep.

The different sleep patterns look really interesting. Thanks!

Kali, I need to try getting some sweaty exerciseto see if that helps. Good idea for all of us. :)

[solid]

I sleep a lot these days, but I am waking up very tired...

I don't know what it is, but I've been sleeping great, having very vivid dreams...yet waking up tired. I slept 8 hours last night, but am dragging my feet this morning.

This morning there's a bunch of unruly drunks yelling and screaming outside the gate at the motel. One guy keeps yelling "Spaniard" at the top of his lungs. I am drinking a lot of coffee this morning.

[nunaem]

Intensive farming has drained the soil of nearly all its magnesium, which is very important for good sleep. I suggest everyone with trouble sleeping buy some magnesium citrate, get 40+ minutes of low intensity exercise (walking the dog), and install f.lux (google it). Also, turn off all your lights within 3 hours of when you want to sleep. Lights screw up your natural sleep patterns.

[uranian]

no!

[lapis]

Dunno wtf is going on. It's 2am and I'm wide awake.



Puts me to sleep too. And between 2 and 4 AM the alcohol wears off and I wake up in a panic... what I'm panicking about varies but the schedule is always the same.



Like others have said, it seems like 2:30 AM is my time to wake up for no good reason.

It could be your cortisol levels going up when they shouldn't be:


"The primary stress-response hormone produced by your adrenal glands is called cortisol. It is even more potent in some ways than adrenaline, but at normal levels it is not agitating, rather it is strengthening. It's your wake-up-and-tackle-life's-challenges hormone. Cortisol levels are supposed to be highest in the morning and lowest between about midnight and 4:00AM. If levels are too high, you'll feel wired, tense and hyper-vigilant. Our cortisol levels always rise above the normal level to help us cope with severe stress. This can happen, for example, during a divorce or as a reaction to withdrawal from medications, like benzodiazepines or antidepressants, often causing severe agitation and insomnia. [Or thinking too much about DOOOOM!!!] Cortisol levels should return to normal after the stress is relieved, but sometimes chronic stress goes on for so long that the adrenals make a permanent adaptation to a new, hyper level of cortisol production. Eventually, our adrenals can become so exhausted by this constant demand for extreme cortisol production that they are no longer able to produce even moderate levels. Their cortisol output can drop too low throughout the day, especially in the late afternoon. This can be experienced as a sudden crash or a gradually increasing fatigue. But, surprisingly often, 1 - 5 AM cortisol surges persist for years, causing chronic insomnia.

Testing:
Whether you are in sudden or chronic over-stress. A simple one-day (4-sample) home saliva test will reveal your bedtime and early morning cortisol levels as well as your mid-morning and late afternoon levels. See the Adrenal Tool Kit, for details on testing the levels of this vital indicator. If you wake up between 1:00 a.m. and 5:00a.m., ask for an extra (fifth) test vial. The reference range should be the same or lower than the bedtime range.

Sleep disturbance:
If cortisol levels are too high at night, instead of very low, as they're supposed to be, you'll be kept up too late with a "second wind." Or your cortisol levels could rise too high early in the morning and wake you up prematurely. Or you could wake up between 2:00 and 4:00AM and not be able to get back to sleep easily. Are you a night owl? Testing may show that your cortisol is above normal levels between 10:00PM and midnight when it should be dropping to allow you to get to sleep.

From "IDENTIFYING AND CORRECTING ELEVATED CORTISOL LEVELS (http://www.moodcure.com/correcting_cortisol_levels.html)" which is a section in The Mood Cure book.

[lapis]

Intensive farming has drained the soil of nearly all its magnesium, which is very important for good sleep. I suggest everyone with trouble sleeping buy some magnesium citrate, [snip other good non-magnesium-related info.]

I agree. I've been taking some Enzymatic Therapy Krebs Magnesium-Potassium Chelates. I've also heard Magnesium Glycinate is good too.




Old Herb Lady, the health food dude told me that Calcium and Magnesium would help me sleep. What do you think about that? (I have been taking it, but don't notice a difference.)

How much are you taking? And what form of the supplements are you taking? Calcium carbonate and magnesium oxide are really cheap supplements that the body has a hard time absorbing. But these are the most common forms that are sold, especially in multi-vitamins or in calcium-magnesium combos.

If you consume dairy foods and a lot of greens, it's likely that you're not calcium-deficient. It seems like most people are magnesium-deficient.

One of the best ways to find out if you're magnesium deficient is to monitor your chocolate cravings. When I'm consuming enough magnesium, I don't even think about eating it. And I'm usually a choco-holic! ;)

Magnesium Deficiency Triggers or Causes The Following Conditions:



Anxiety and Panic attacks- Magnesium (Mg) normally keeps adrenal stress hormones under control.
Asthma- Both histamine production and bronchial spasms increase with Mg deficiency.
Blood clots- Mg has an important role to play in preventing blood clots and keeping the blood thin-much like aspirin but without the side effects.
Bowel disease- Mg deficiency slows down the bowel causing constipation, which could lead to toxicity and malabsorption of nutrients, as well as colitis.
Cystitis- Bladder spasms are worsened by Mg deficiency.
Depression-Serotonin, which elevates moods, is dependent on Mg. A Mg-deficient brain is also more susceptible to allergens, foreign substances that can cause symptoms similar to mental illness.
Detoxification- Mg is crucial for the removal of toxic substances and heavy metals such as aluminum and lead.
Diabetes- Mg enhances insulin secretion, facilitating sugar metabolism. Without Mg insulin is not able to transfer glucose into cells. Glucose and insulin build up in the blood causing various types of tissue damage.
Fatigue- Mg-deficient patients commonly experience fatigue because dozens of enzyme systems are under-functioning. An early symptom of Mg deficiency is frequently fatigue.
Heart disease- Mg deficiency is common in people with heart disease. Mg is administered in hospitals for acute myocardial infarction and cardiac arrhythmia. Like any other muscle, the heart muscle requires Mg. Mg is also used to treat angina, or chest pain.
Hypertension- With insufficient Mg, spasm of blood vessels and high cholesterol occur, both of which lead to blood pressure problems.
Hypoglycemia- Mg keeps insulin under control; without Mg episodes of low blood sugar can result.
Insomnia- Sleep-regulating melatonin production is disturbed without sufficient Mg.
Kidney Disease- Mg deficiency contributes to atherosclerotic kidney failure. Mg deficiency creates abnormal lipid levels and worsening blood sugar control in kidney transplant patients.
Liver Disease leading to liver failure- Mg deficiency commonly occurs during liver transplantation.
Migraine- Serotonin balance is Mg-dependent. Deficiency of serotonin can result in migraine headaches and depression.
Musculoskeletal conditions- Fibrositis, fibromyalgia, muscle spasms, eye twitches, cramps and chronic neck and back pain may be caused by Mg deficiency and can be relieved with Mg supplements.
Nerve problems- Mg alleviates peripheral nerve disturbances throughout the whole body, such as migraines, muscle contractions, gastrointestinal spasms, and calf, foot and toe cramps. It is also used in treating central nervous symptoms of vertigo and confusion.
Obstetrics and Gynecology- Mg prevents Premenstrual Syndrome; prevents dysmenorrhea (cramping pain during menses); is important in the treatment of infertility; and alleviates premature contractions, preeclampsia, and eclampsia in pregnancy. Intravenous Mg is given in obstetrical wards for pregnancy-induced hypertension and to lessen the risk of cerebral palsy and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). Mg should be a required supplement for pregnant mothers.
Osteoporosis- Use of calcium with Vitamin D to enhance calcium absorption without a balancing amount of Mg causes further Mg deficiency, which triggers a cascade of events leading to bone loss.
Raynaud’s Syndrome- Mg helps relax the spastic blood vessels that cause pain and numbness of the fingers.
Tooth decay- Mg deficiency causes an unhealthy balance of phosphorus and calcium in saliva, which damages teeth. Material excerpted from Dean, Carolyn. The Miracle of Magnesium (2003 Ballantine Books: New York, NY), 2003. pp. 5-7.

From "The Magnesium Miracle (http://drcarolyndean.com/magnesium_miracle/)"

[lapis]

Yep.
Something's in the air...


Double Yep.

Despite doing all the "right" things like eating well, exercising and taking magnesium, I often wake up with a sense of dread. It is part of the reason why I started smoking, which is the only thing that takes the edge off for me. However, I have noticed that I don't "need" to smoke as much now that the holidays are over, especially Kitschmas (http://www.alan-morrison.com/mp/Another_Tasteless_Kitschmas.shtml).

The other day I completely forgot to smoke. Yesterday I had a couple and today I've only had one (some effing "heroin-like addiction"). But I have noticed that when I don't smoke a cigarette in the evening, I'm most likely to wake up with heart-pounding anxiety and the fear that something bad is about to happen. I guess I should be glad it's usually 7 or 8 a.m. rather than 2. ;)

[mick silver]

it could be all the doom we all know it coming but when

[Blink]

Take a couple of puffs on a fatty, that'll put you to sleep. Works for me.......... Its all natural and organic too, regardless of what the "government experts" say.

[k-os]

Take a couple of puffs on a fatty, that'll put you to sleep. Works for me.......... Its all natural and organic too, regardless of what the "government experts" say.

It makes me lazy, but doesn't let my mind rest . . . so I don't get sleepy . . . just lazy and paranoid. I am so envious of people who relax (and sleep) from smoking pot.

[k-os]

I am actually sleeping through the night for the past week! But it's not without some complications. . .

I resisted long enough, and decided to try sleeping on my back. Before, I normally slept on my stomach with one arm over my head. Now I am sleeping on my back with a pillow underneath my knees. Within the last week I have just developed some sciatic nerve symptoms (lower back/leg pain) and even stayed in bed a whole day because of it. Ouch! Not sure about the correlation/causation, but the timing is a little too coincidental for comfort. I tried sleeping without the pillow underneath my legs, but my legs were asleep when I woke up. The painful, pins and needles kind (not the pun intended kind).

It's a testament to how much I love sleep that I'm still sleeping on my back - sciatica be damned - I'll just stretch more. :)

What's weird (and not painful) about my new sleep position is that when I wake up, one or both arms are over my head.

[mightymanx]

Arms over the head is the bodies way of trying to increase the chest cavity to increase O2 levels becasue they are low. Well that is what the sleep DR told me anyway when I explained to him I can't sleep any other way.

[k-os]

I agree. I've been taking some Enzymatic Therapy Krebs Magnesium-Potassium Chelates. I've also heard Magnesium Glycinate is good too.

How much are you taking? And what form of the supplements are you taking? Calcium carbonate and magnesium oxide are really cheap supplements that the body has a hard time absorbing. But these are the most common forms that are sold, especially in multi-vitamins or in calcium-magnesium combos.


lapis, sorry I didn't answer your question. I am taking Calcium Citrate (1000mg), Magnesium Oxide, Magnesium Citrate (500mg). I just ordered Enzymatic Therapy Krebs Magnesium-Potassium Chelates. Thanks!



If you consume dairy foods and a lot of greens, it's likely that you're not calcium-deficient. It seems like most people are magnesium-deficient.


I hardly have any dairy, but I eat tons of greens . . . my garden is almost exclusively greens this go around. I sauteed my own mustard greens for dinner tonight for the first time! I've never had it before. When cooked, it tastes like spinach with a little added texture. When raw, it tastes like horseradish or wasabi - really hot. I was surprised to see how an entire bunch of giant leaves were reduced to one serving.

[k-os]

Arms over the head is the bodies way of trying to increase the chest cavity to increase O2 levels becasue they are low. Well that is what the sleep DR told me anyway when I explained to him I can't sleep any other way.

That's interesting and scary. I just thought it was because I was used to sleeping with my arm over my head when I slept on my stomach. I like my reason better. :)

[Book]

Take a couple of puffs on a fatty, that'll put you to sleep.



http://fatalfamilialinsomnia.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Fatal-Familial-Insomnia.jpg

http://www.infoniac.com/uimg/adolescent-insomnia.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w0jgqOeQV7o/TV6YbgRHSSI/AAAAAAAAAbM/g70ojlw8iiw/s1600/insomnia_cartoon1.jpg

[Blink]

Book buddy, stay away if thats what it does to you, maybe its laced with something it shouldn't be............ bad trip man.

[Bigjon]

A cousin of mine swears by vitamin D3 for a good nights sleep. He takes 35 - 40 thousand iu per day. He says you need good nutrition to do this and uses raw dairy plus Iodine plus MSM.
From my reading you need adequate vit A and K2 along with the vit D3. K2 regulates where the body uses calcium and can reverse atherosclerosis.

Good K2 audio (http://foodfreedomrevolution.blogspot.com/2012/01/vitamin-k2-for-heart-bone-and-skin.html)

download audio (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/in-short-order/2012/01/09/in-short-order--dr-kate-rheaume-bleue.mp3)

[Tumbleweed]

It's time to get out the Tenns machine and put it to work on your back K. I hook mine up when ever my lower back starts bothering and get relief. I put the pads in place then use a wrap to keep them there and have worn them to bed at night.

[k-os]

It's time to get out the Tenns machine and put it to work on your back K. I hook mine up when ever my lower back starts bothering and get relief. I put the pads in place then use a wrap to keep them there and have worn them to bed at night.

You're right! Thanks for the reminder . . . and for the Tenns machine!

[Serpo]

Are There Other Benefits?

Maybe. Most people say their energy levels increase and the quality of sleep improves.



CLINOPTILOLITE ZEOLITE


http://www.safesalt.com.au/clinoptilolitezeolite.html

[BrewTech]

I figured if alcohol before bed was making my situation worse, a stimulant may have an opposite effect.

Three espressos (homemade) before bed kept me awake until 11:30 (usual 9:30), went to sleep and woke up at my usual time feeling "great".

I'm not counting on that methodology as a permanent fix, however... drugs never fix anything permanently.