Poll: Bring back the dog?

[Gaillo]

Greets!

I'm not going to do this on a regular basis, so don't get used to it. I pretty much HATE Democracy as a form of government, it invariably leads to mob rule and a legalized welfare plunder-state. However, I think VERY highly of the idea of people having a say in their government, and being TRULY represented by their governmental SERVANTS. Voting seems to be the best solution for this so far... combined with strict legal boundaries as to WHAT can be "put to vote".

There has been a lot of outcry following last night's banning of Dogman. This situation seems as good as any to put these ideas to practice.

Whether or not you all vote to bring him back, there WILL be a 1 month ban... he's crossed the line too many times and insulted ALL of us with his attacks on the forum membership.

That's all.

[midnight rambler]

Questions: How many times demonstrating bad behavior/engaging in name calling (veiled or not) is too many? And does this standard apply equally across the board regardless of # of posts and duration of membership, or do some get more latitude than others? Or is there really no limit?

[muffin]

I was JUST wondering when and who would start this thread.....

[sunnyandseventy]

Questions: How many times demonstrating bad behavior/engaging in name calling (veiled or not) is too many? And does this standard apply equally across the board regardless of # of posts and duration of membership, or do some get more latitude than others? Or is there really no limit?


Being a mod isn't easy and I'd never do it again.

:-X

[Gaillo]

Questions: How many times demonstrating bad behavior/engaging in name calling (veiled or not) is too many? And does this standard apply equally across the board regardless of # of posts and duration of membership, or do some get more latitude than others? Or is there really no limit?

A truly objective application of the forum rules, regardless of member "standing" etc., is not possible... as the rules (in their current form) are not defined with enough precision and clarity to make a 100% impartial decision about when they've been broken.

However, we (madfranks, myself, and JQP) do make every attempt to be as fair, impartial, and "giving of the benefit of the doubt" that we possibly can.

[Book]

Whether or not you all vote to bring him back, there WILL be a 1 month ban... he's crossed the line too many times and insulted ALL of us with his attacks on the forum membership.



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NJpaFwzXDtk/Tlmbs-7RAxI/AAAAAAAAgIQ/9WgVLfGWpU8/s800/Lifeboat-2.jpg

This lifeboat has no captain. We now "take a vote" before we throw someone overboard.

::)

[Libertytree]

Greets!

I'm not going to do this on a regular basis, so don't get used to it. I pretty much HATE Democracy as a form of government, it invariably leads to mob rule and a legalized welfare plunder-state. However, I think VERY highly of the idea of people having a say in their government, and being TRULY represented by their governmental SERVANTS. Voting seems to be the best solution for this so far... combined with strict legal boundaries as to WHAT can be "put to vote".

There has been a lot of outcry following last night's banning of Dogman. This situation seems as good as any to put these ideas to practice.

Whether or not you all vote to bring him back, there WILL be a 1 month ban... he's crossed the line too many times and insulted ALL of us with his attacks on the forum membership.

That's all.

Very righteous, good way to end and start the years.

[midnight rambler]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NJpaFwzXDtk/Tlmbs-7RAxI/AAAAAAAAgIQ/9WgVLfGWpU8/s800/Lifeboat-2.jpg

This lifeboat has no captain. We now "take a vote" before we throw someone overboard.

::)

I take it you don't like mob rule.

[Gaillo]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NJpaFwzXDtk/Tlmbs-7RAxI/AAAAAAAAgIQ/9WgVLfGWpU8/s800/Lifeboat-2.jpg

This lifeboat has no captain. We now "take a vote" before we throw someone overboard.

::)

Wrong.
You can think about whether THIS lifeboat has a captain during your 3-day ban.
Book... I've grown tired of your repeated veiled attacks on me, I've put up with FAR more from you and your meaning-twisting divisive BS than I reasonably should.
Hmmm... no vote either. ::)

How about THEM rolleyes? ;)

[Horn]

Questions: How many times demonstrating bad behavior/engaging in name calling (veiled or not) is too many? And does this standard apply equally across the board regardless of # of posts and duration of membership, or do some get more latitude than others? Or is there really no limit?

Correct equal measures should be taken for obvious regularized & multiple "shit" attacks of the forum and its membership.

[Ponce]

This ban of Pluto weighted heavily in my mind and I was very much thinking of quiting because of this........I really don't know what is going on because I usually skip anything that looks like a stupid fight and keep on reading........I didn't even know that he drank (as many here do because of job loss or family troubles) so that I cannot say anything about that..... if one month looks fair to the rest of the gang then let it be..........................................HEY PLUTO, BE SURE TO RETURN IN 30 DAYS.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE AND MAY YOU BE HERE TO CELEBRATE 2013.....be sure to write even if you are in a FEMA camp.

[JDRock]

we need another troll back here to help joe king......please un ban him so joe and his buddies have more help diverting threads and attacking members.....yeah, thats a no.

[Eyebone]

I think Mr. Dogman's knowledge of history is weak and agenda driven.

[Joe King]

I hereby nominate Gaillo for the "Best mod in the whole freakin' universe, for all time", award. :cool:

[zap]

I don't appreciate any attacks, but it was ok for another member to mouth off and say K-os, Me and dogman were trolls, thats ok though.


Oh here I am thanking JK !!! Does that make me a troll? (Insert a finger here.)

[Horn]

where's the public viewing option in this poll?


Are these removed to a secret and undisclosed location as in Iowa for sockpuppet encroachment?

[Gaillo]

I don't appreciate any attacks, but it was ok for another member to mouth off and say K-os, Me and dogman were trolls, thats ok though.


Oh here I am thanking JK !!! Does that make me a troll? (Insert a finger here.)


I hear you, Zap...
However, if I banned every person who called another forum member a troll, we'd almost ALL (including myself) be banned. Troll-naming seems to be the "national sport" of this place...

[solid]

I think we're starting a new year, and it's a good time to put past issues to rest.

I also strongly urge folks to stop with the group think mentality, of if you agree with a certain post, you agree with ALL posts from that person. I like the freedom of good discussion, not being lumped into groups, or online cliques.

We're all individuals here. That's a freedom we should encourage...not disgrace.

[General of Darkness]

Great job Gaillo. I don't think this is mob rule at all. This forum has been built up by about 50 core members. Just jewgle gold silver forum and we're second behind geltismoney.

I do consider GSUS my second family to an extent. Have I wanted to dick stab the fuck out of dogman at times, oh for sure. Do I really trust Book, nope. But that's how this forum rolls. We freely talk about EVERYTHING, literally, EVERYTHING, other than something illegal. All forums should be like this. For fuck sake, mentions jews or zionism on ANY OTHER fucking forum and see what happens. We've got it MADE here, there's no other freer forum on the net that I can find. I do think that Gaillo doesn't like the word cunt, but that's probably because he's not as European or cultured as I am. LOL.

The only rule I try to live by when posting on GSUS. DON'T POST WHEN YOU'RE TOAST.

[sunnyandseventy]

where's the public viewing option in this poll?

Try "view poll results" underneath the poll.

[General of Darkness]

I don't appreciate any attacks, but it was ok for another member to mouth off and say K-os, Me and dogman were trolls, thats ok though.


Oh here I am thanking JK !!! Does that make me a troll? (Insert a finger here.)

The attacks that you're referring to are because you ladies give Joe King a pass. Oh he's not so bad, etc. Some of us see right through him. Just saying.

[zap]

I think we're starting a new year, and it's a good time to put past issues to rest.

I also strongly urge folks to stop with the group think mentality, of if you agree with a certain post, you agree with ALL posts from that person. I like the freedom of good discussion, not being lumped into groups, or online cliques.

We're all individuals here. That's a freedom we should encourage...not disgrace.

I agree Solid, Its almost a New YEAR WHOOO HOOOO , I will try to behave myself and forgive and forget, life is way to short to be pissy all the time.

[Horn]

Try "view poll results" underneath the poll.

No, the one that shows the individual votes of the members placed as in a yeh and ney fashion.

To avoid sockpuppet infringement.

just wanting to know which 6 members are voting for censorship.

[zap]

The attacks that you're referring to are because you ladies give Joe King a pass. Oh he's not so bad, etc. Some of us see right through him. Just saying.

Maybe you are right and maybe your wrong? Maybe he just has opposing opinions, then the group?

I don't know, but I will thank whoever the Fvck I want and If you want to call me a troll so be it.


I won't go along with the group like a sheep.I will do exactly whatever the hell I want !!! ;)

[General of Darkness]

I won't go along with the group like a sheep.I will do exactly whatever the hell I want !!! ;)


Excellent, so get back to work.

http://staystellar.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/woman-sandwhich.jpg

[Horn]

Strike that 6, now 8 unconstitutional members.

[Down1]

I think the permaban is too harsh, but one month is too soft.
I also think one month would not be enough time for the permabanned person to deal with his issues. In which case they will continue to occur.
Sometime in April/May would be fine.

[Gaillo]

Strike that 6, now 7 unconstitutional members.

Unconstitutional?

You are under the mistaken impression that this place is a constitutional political entity.

This forum is the PRIVATE PROPERTY of one man (JohnQPublic) and as such is governed ONLY by the rules he sees fit to set for it's USE BY PERMISSION. That is his RIGHT... just like it is also the RIGHT of any of us to set conditions regarding the permitted use of OUR property for those we CHOOSE to offer it to.

You all remember Rights, Choice, Ownership, and the concept of Property don't you?

Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one... a press will NOT be provided to you at someone else's expense! Do you want a press, and the freedom to use it how you see fit? Then go earn or create one through your own mental and physical efforts.

[Horn]

Unconstitutional?

Yes, Unconstitutional.

[Gaillo]

Yes, Unconstitutional.

A stunning argument. It's going to take me a while to think that through and comprehend the magnitude of your position and its eloquent defense! ::)

[mightymanx]

Apparently I have missed some more drama.

Lucky me.

[chad]

i don't know about dogman's view of history, politics, etc. but i do know he knows a shitload about fixing mechanical & electrical stuff, building, plumbing, etc. his insight in to these matters has helped me numerous times. i also think he's pretty funny. i think everyone on here has posted something like that that they later regret. i also agree with whoever said permanent bannings should be for spammers or something. not regular members. make a 6 month ban or something if it's really that bad, but no perma bans. hell, even magnes doesn't want him banned.

[Horn]

A stunning argument. It's going to take me a while to think that through and comprehend the magnitude of your position and its eloquent defense! ::)


This forum is the PRIVATE PROPERTY

You've already done it for me, what else is for me to add?

[Ponce]

Gaillo? stop stiring the pot......when you talk you make trouble.......you are a God keeping an eye of Earth, stay up there.

[7th trump]

When asked how many times we should forgive. Christ said we should forgive 70x7.......................thats 490 times a day.
How many times has Dog crossed the GSUS line in one day?

Besides is GSUS as a community better with him or without?
Bring the dog back!

[sirgonzo420]

Gaillo? stop stiring the pot......when you talk you make trouble.......you are a God keeping an eye of Earth, stay up there.

And you're just God Jr!

;D

[Joe King]

The attacks that you're referring to are because you ladies give Joe King a pass. Oh he's not so bad, etc. Some of us see right through him. Just saying.So you admit that they're being they've been personally attacked for no good reason? Other than their use of the "Thanks" button on various occasions?

Did you ever stop long enough to consider the possibility that the reason they "give me a pass" {as you put it} isn't so much that they're always on my side as it is that over time they've seen that I treat them as any other normal person should want to be treated? As I'd like to be treated? Golden Rule etc etc etc?


Just for the record, I in no way believe any of the ladies here give me a "free pass" and if I posted anything towards them like Mags has done to some of them, I'd expect my head to be handed to me on a silver platter.
...and deservedly so, I might add.


General, I've been bein' called out and labeled before I really even started posting {my first post was in ______s thread that had my name in the title} and ever since then it's mostly all been based upon Mags' flawed logic of tryin' to connect dots that reside only in the make-believe World that's in his head. It's so big it puts Disney World to shame. lol

[Gaillo]

Gaillo? stop stiring the pot......when you talk you make trouble.......you are a God keeping an eye of Earth, stay up there.

Ponce,
Unlike you, I've never made any claims to (junior) Godhood. Hell... I don't even believe such a being exists! ;D

[joboo]

l think the inter-member axe to grind threads should be moved to a private members only area.

It would do two things. Defuse the situation, and shield potential new members from wondering what kind of freak show is going on here.

LOL.

I would do:

Ban 1 - Three days.
Ban 2 - 2 weeks.
Ban 3 - 1 month
Ban 4 - You have to plead your case to the moderators via email, then apologize to the forum as your first post if allowed back. The apology thread would be considered a ban hammer zone.

Subsequent time outs are a 1 month ban, and repeat step/ban #4.

That's how I would roll. Nothing is forever, but you have to prove yourself, and hopefully improve yourself in the process.

[Ponce]

Well, neither do I ......... but in our make believe world we can be whatever we want to me and I choose.....GOD JR.....hear the trumpets blowing hahahahahahahahaha............upssssssss sorry, that was me burping.

[Ponce]

Jaboo? you saw how I handled another member when he called me a liar?.......what should I had done? cursing him out?.........nawwwwww I simply what was the problem and that was it.............you only fight when your have the excuse to fight and not the reason to fight........as the US is doing with Iran.................

[Sparky]

I hereby nominate Gaillo for the "Best mod in the whole freakin' universe, for all time", award. :cool:

No, only for one month! ;)

[joboo]

l think the inter-member axe to grind threads should be moved to a private members only area.

It would do two things. Defuse the situation, and shield potential new members from wondering what kind of freak show is going on here.

LOL.

I would do:

Ban 1 - Three days.
Ban 2 - 2 weeks.
Ban 3 - 1 month
Ban 4 - You have to plead your case to the moderators via email, then apologize to the forum, and members involved, as your first post if allowed back. The apology thread would be considred a ban hammer zone.

Subsequent time outs are a 1 month ban, and repeat ban #4.

That's how I would roll. Nothing is forever, but you have to prove yourself, and hopefully improve yourself in the process.



That would be fair.

[ximmy]

Bring back the dog, 30 day ban in effect (until midnight, new years eve 2012) then pardoned with full amnesty.

[joboo]

Jaboo? you saw how I handled another member when he called me a liar?.......what should I had done? cursing him out?.........nawwwwww I simply what was the problem and that was it.............you only fight when your have the excuse to fight and not the reason to fight........as the US is doing with Iran.................


Tell them to take a nice long roller coaster ride on a big fat sloppy donkey dick.

Much more effective and entertaining than "fu you fin pos!!"

[ximmy]

Bring back the dog, 30 day ban in effect (until midnight, new years eve 2012) then pardoned with full amnesty.

bump... bump dammit!!!

[k-os]

I guess the offending post was deleted (?) I did not see anything in that thread worth banning for, but . . . I am late to the drama.

Oooh I have an idea! Put a breathalyzer on dogman's keyboard, and if he blows over .08, don't let him type!

Everyone should know not to call, text, or type (super-duper-regrettably) drunk. :)

[EE_]

I guess the offending post was deleted (?) I did not see anything in that thread worth banning for, but . . . I am late to the drama.

Oooh I have an idea! Put a breathalyzer on dogman's keyboard, and if he blows over .08, don't let him type!

Everyone should know not to call, text, or type (super-duper-regrettably) drunk. :)

That's what Sunday night chat is for ;)

[Serpo]

I guess the offending post was deleted (?) I did not see anything in that thread worth banning for, but . . . I am late to the drama.



No I must of missed that part too..........



Maybe he just needs one of these for a while..........
http://www.fordogtrainers.com/ProductImages/pictures/dog-muzzle/leather-dog-muzzle/m51/labrador/labrador-dog-muzzle-leather.jpg

[Ponce]

LOL Serpo, looks to me like the dog want's to be a member of GSUS........be here, say nothing hahahahahhaahah.

[iOWNme]

I did not vote......

Banning members for their speech is far from something i would promote. No matter how vulgar it may be, or no matter who may be offended. If people are free to speak their mind, it is more likely they will come in contact with people who will disagree, which will lead to the great human experience called 'communicating'.

Only through communicating can we learn from our own mistakes and misguided opinions. I truly believe that all speech is valuable, ESPECIALLY the unpopular speech.

Im not even a fan of Dogman, or an enemy. But i do think that using the label of 'personal attacks' is just another way of censoring what the individual has to say in regard to the collective.

I also realize that JQP is the owner, and therefore in a free and open society, has the right to control who uses his services.


PEACE to all......

[Cebu_4_2]

Okay... can someone please post the offending statement or whatever he did to deserve a perma ban? WTF

[steyr_m]

I don't know what he said, but I like Dogman. I want him back.

[Olmstein]

This community is too small to throw out people who get drunk and act the fool. I say bring him back.

[osoab]

Perma ban for drunk posting?

Seems excessive to me.

I understand the prior warnings, but what was said has bubbling over for the past few weeks.

I could see one week tops.

[steyr_m]

This community is too small to throw out people who get drunk and act the fool.

Considering the mood of the public, I'm surprised we are as small as we are.

[milehi]

Put him in stocks in the middle of town square. Throw rotten vegetables at him, then let him come back.

[sunnyandseventy]

Looks like he'll be back. Might as well bring him back now and get our drink on.

[Gaillo]

Looks like he'll be back. Might as well bring him back now and get our drink on.

Hey... no double posting! ;)

[1970 silver art]

I say bring back Dogman. Just my 2 cents worth.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm not super drunk but I'm buzzed and dammit I DEMAND dogman be freed IMMEDIATELY.

Happy New Years!


Bring back the dogman!

Let freedom ring!

[Bigjon]

I'm not super drunk but I'm buzzed and dammit I DEMAND dogman be freed IMMEDIATELY.

Happy New Years!


Bring back the dogman!

Let freedom ring!

Make him beg for forgiveness like he demanded from Magnes.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57479-Manges&p=501317&viewfull=1#post501317

[Gaillo]

Officially 2012 in the U.S.A.
The dog is free!!!

(After a 30 day kenneling quarantine...)

[Ponce]

I'm not super drunk but I'm buzzed and dammit I DEMAND dogman be freed IMMEDIATELY.

Happy New Years!


Bring back the dogman!

Let freedom ring!

You mean "Let freedom bark?"

[osoab]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VoTMOdI9adk/SRsTxxrP4wI/AAAAAAAADVY/8_P7e8dlDvo/s400/dog+howling.jpg

[Spectrism]

I am in the same camp as Sui Juris. I did not vote. Not my place. And I do believe in free and open speech as well as having a reasonable environment for all to bring value, concerns or observations to each other.

I did agree with Gaillo's response to Dogman with the firm warning about losing self-control... whether alcohol or anything else. We all need to take that to heart in these perilous times. We have a beast laying down laws in every fiber of our society and it will strike the moment we become less than blameless. We all need to be careful in words and deeds.

[Old Herb Lady]

Well I must be residing in the same campground as Spectrism as Sui Juris.
Damned if you do & damned if you don't anyways.
Take sides / don't take sides. Pffffft. Where's zat gonna getchoo. NO where me thinks.
Just stand for what's right but who knows who's right, or who's wrong ?
Nobody knows but those that know.

Happy New Year & that means be happy.

[Spectrism]

Well I must be residing in the same campground as Spectrism as Sui Juris.
Damned if you do & damned if you don't anyways.
Take sides / don't take sides. Pffffft. Where's zat gonna getchoo. NO where me thinks.
Just stand for what's right but who knows who's right, or who's wrong ?
Nobody knows but those that know.

Happy New Year & that means be happy.

If you are in the Appalachians, I wish I was in your camp. Besides, it would be nice to have a like-minded and armed friends nearby.

[keehah]

Good luck Dogman!

[Canadian-guerilla]

"Freedom means putting up with stuff that pisses you off."
Frank Zappa

[Buddha]

Looks like I missed all of the fun ;_;, I'm not going back to search his posts that would be rude of me. I don't vote so I'm not voting. Anyway, I'm goin to get some bacon, want anything?

[DMac]

I didn't vote as I find myself agreeing with Sui Juris' post. I don't care for the ban of Dogman or Book for that matter.

You either believe in free speech or you don't. The only time free speech needs to come in question is when words are used to bring actual harm to the membership here. As in "make bombs by using so and so, then head to the local PD!" - that kind of bad stuff.

Gaillo, Book has every right to call you out - you did write that post a while back about "not liking him and he knows it" - banning book for his post is bad form, IMO.

As much as I've accused JK of working the forum I have yet to call for his banning.

Dogman messed up badly, AGAIN. By banning it is swept under the rug as I see it. Let him face his music the morning after. Not get forgotten because it happened a month in the past.

[Horn]

The only time free speech needs to come in question is when words are used to bring actual harm to the membership here. As in "make bombs by using so and so, then head to the local PD!" - that kind of bad stuff.

Yeah that, and or calling most of the entire forum "shit" for example.

[undgrd]

Dogman posts all kinds of nonsensical babble while drunk. He doesn't when he isn't. If he's breaking forum rules, the Mods or Admin will handle it.

Are we about done here?

[Ponce]

The poll is closed?.........this is like when Ron Paul is winning......they close the poll hahahahahahahah.

Pluto, Pluto ra ra ra.