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Ares
11th January 2012, 06:23 AM
For those readers who are part of the 40% of human beings who think Ignorance is Bliss, stop reading now. This article is about a truth so hard that it was actually depressing to write it. You might think that working on SOTT for many years, most of us are pretty tough and can deal with the hard stuff. But sometimes, you see something that rings a bell, and you know that you've had a glimpse behind the curtain, because somebody went before and left a map to show you the way. In this case, that person was Hannah Arendt.

The modern world can't be an easy place to live in for those who are born genetically predisposed to crave absolute power over others. I mean, these days, any would-be totalitarian has only a very small chance of being born into one of the world's few remaining overt dictatorships, and a much greater chance of being born into a large Western nation that is nominally democratic. While fulfillment of the megalomaniac's innate drive is a walk in the park in a dictatorship, it requires all sorts of protracted subterfuge in a democracy. Bummer.

The main problem with giving free reign to one's dictatorial leanings in a democracy is the whole 'citizen's rights' and 'Rights of Man' thing. How is any self-aggrandizing despot to lord it over the masses, and watch them squirm and suffer and beg, when everyone seems convinced that there are not only democratic and legal rights but also natural 'inalienable' rights that come with just being a human being? Ideas that everyone is 'created equal' and has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness etc. can cause a lot of problems for the average authoritarian. Naturally then, in any democracy, all those rights would have be removed before any oligarchy could transform citizens into subjects, and they'd have to be removed under the cloak of 'protecting' the very rights that were slated for extinction. A tall order indeed, but there are ways to do it. One tried and tested way is to create a foreign or external threat from which the people of a democracy must be protected. All sorts of draconian laws that subvert civil rights can be passed to combat this 'threat', and If the 'threat' can then be made internal or domestic, and suspicion of 'siding with enemy' cast over the citizens, you're well on your way to banishing those pesky legal and natural rights.

Strangely enough, that seems to be what has been happening in Western democracies over the past 10 years. Take the USA for example. That there is a power-hungry elite in control of the USA should, by now, be obvious to anyone with a few firing neurons. George 'Dubya' Bush made no secret of his desire to be dictator, and over the past few years Obama has made several references to wanting to "bypass congress" and just "change the laws on my own". As for Congress and the Senate, their endorsement of legislation like the USA PATRIOT Act and the recent 'Indefinite Detention bill' within the NDAA, make it obvious that they are only too happy to go along with the transformation of America into a fully-fledged police state at home, and an ever expanding empire abroad. And needless to say, America's biggest multinational corporations (most of which are war profiteers 'military contractors') are reaping huge profits from providing the infrastructure necessary for just such a police state. That the Indefinite Detention bill is a savage attack on the few remaining civil rights in the USA is made obvious when we realise that even the New York Times, in an editorial on December 16th 2011, dared to spell it out when they said that the bill contains "terrible new measures that will make indefinite detention and military trials a permanent part of American law." On the other hand, they could just be sayin' stuff like that to convince people that the laws can't be changed back once the step is taken to remove human rights.

The 9-11 attacks were obviously the self-inflicted wound that created America's external enemy, and very quickly thereafter, the threat of home-grown 'domestic terrorism' reared its ugly head when large numbers of people didn't buy the Bush Administration's conspiracy theory about 19 Arab terrorists. The USA PATRIOT ACT, rushed into law on Oct. 26th 2001, began the rights-stripping process with the removal of the right to privacy, and gave the, FBI, CIA and police free access to search telephone and e-mail communications, medical, financial, and any and all other personal records. Any US citizen could also be placed under surveillance as a possible 'terrorist' and, if necessary, indefinitely detained without charge. That the 'USA PATRIOT Act' was passed on a wave of obnoxious patriotism rather than sober deliberation becomes clear when we realise that the act's authors went to ridiculous lengths to make sure that the name of the act spelled out 'USA Patriot'. The name is a ten letter acronym that stands for 'Uniting (and) Strengthening America (by) Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorism'. 'Appropriate tools required? Surely tools that are required are by definition appropriate? And how do you 'intercept terrorism'? And is merely 'obstructing terrorism' really enough? Aren't we meant to be defeating it, or at least smoking it out of its cave and rat and spider holes, disheveled beard and all?

In 2003, the US Dept. of Justice drew up the 'Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003' aka 'PATRIOT ACT 2'. While it is assumed by many that the 'Patriot Act 2' was never introduced to Congress because the measures it proposed (such as requiring detainees to prove they were innocent rather than the US government providing any evidence that they were guilty) were unashamedly dictatorial, it seems the real reason was that it was just a little premature. Consider, for example, that one of the most offensive aspects of the proposed 'Patriot Act 2' was that, if the US government decided that a US citizen was either a member of, or providing material support to, 'terrorist groups', it could then revoke their citizenship and deport them to a foreign country without due process. Civil liberties and human rights groups were understandably outraged at that particular provision, understood it as the work of a few over-zealous 'right wing' nut jobs in the Dept of Justice, and were relieved when the 'Patriot Act 2' was scrapped.

Civil libertarian relief appears to have been somewhat naive however, because Congress is currently considering HR 3166 and S. 1698 also known as the 'Enemy Expatriation Act', a bill sponsored by 'Mr. Kill Switch' and 'Defender of Israel', Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Charles Dent (R-PA) that, if passed, will give the US government the power to strip Americans of their citizenship for "engaging in, or purposefully and materially supporting, hostilities against the United States." Take note, you don't have to be convicted of 'terrorism', you simply have to be accused of 'hostilities against the United States', like camping out or protesting with the OWS gang, for one example, or possibly even writing articles such as this one. This bill seems to be an effort to side-step the clamored for change to the language of the 'Indefinite Detention bill' within the NDAA that seems to have, more or less, excluded American citizens from indefinite detention without trial. Liberman - or whoever is pulling his puppet strings - probably thought long and hard about this problem and decided that the best way to re-include American citizens in the 'Indefinite Detention bill' was to provide for the removal of their citizenship! Genius!

But the really interesting thing about all of this (let's face it, that the USA is well on the road to being a police state is, by now, more banal than interesting) is that this policy of disenfranchising citizens as a way to better control and persecute them isn't new in Western democracies.

Leaving aside the internment (and effective revocation of citizenship) of Japanese Americans during the second World War, the first case in modern history of the creation of masses of stateless and rightless people occurred in the aftermath of the first World War and in the run up to the second World War when the borders of European countries were redrawn and entire new 'states' came into existence. This resulted in large numbers of ethnic minority refugees that were no longer citizens of any country because their country had ceased to exist. As a result, the law and rights of whichever country they ended up in did not apply to them. In her book, The Origins of Totalitarianism, Hannah Arendt states that these individuals were seen as the "scum of the earth" by European governments and citizens alike.

"Every attempt by international conferences to establish some legal status for stateless people failed because no agreement could possibly replace territory to which an alien must be deportable. All discussions about the refugee problem revolved around this one question: How can the refugee be made deportable again? The second World War and the 'Displaced Persons' camps were not necessary to show that the only practical substitute for a nonexistent homeland was an internment camp."

The important point here is that history shows that by revoking a citizen's legal rights, including his or her citizenship, a government can simultaneously destroy any practical recourse a disenfranchised citizen might have to those 'natural' and 'inalienable' human rights that we all hear so much about. Because once a person is rendered stateless in this way, there is no state on earth that can provide those rights, and no utopian country where inalienable human rights are the the law of the land. That may, of course, be a logical consequence of allowing individuals who may not technically be human to rule over us. No one born in the era of the strictly organised and controlled nation state was really 'born free' it seems, and the fundamental 'right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' only exists as letters on a 'goddamned piece of paper'. Got that?

The Nazis learned this lesson well and realised that the most important step in 'justifying' mass murder was to first deprive those targeted for liquidation of all legal status. As Arendt notes: "a condition of complete rightlessness was created before the right to life was challenged.". One of Hitler's most appealing statements (to the German people at least) was that "Right is what is good for the German people". The Nazis insistence that protecting the interests of German lifestyle, values, families and people was the 'greatest good', allowed them to changes laws in order to disenfranchise, expel, and ultimately murder large numbers of people who were as German as any Nazi party member. (It is interesting that Lieberman, a Jew, would sponsor a bill that seeks to replicate conditions that made the extermination of his forebears possible.)

Arendt notes:

"If a human being loses his political or legal status, he should, according to the inalienable rights of man, be protected by the declaration of those general rights. Actually, the opposite is the case. It seems that a man who is nothing but a man has lost the very qualities which make it possible for other people to treat him as a fellow-man. This is one of the reasons why is it far more difficult to destroy the legal personality of a criminal than of a man who has been disallowed all common human rights."

On the other side of the Atlantic, that other supposed bastion of liberty and equal rights, France, appears to following a similar course as the USA under the stewardship of the repugnant Nicolas Sarkozy. Of course, like Obama, Sarkozy is but the low-level, public face of a monolithic and ruthless cabal of conspirators (to borrow a phrase from JFK) that are directing the course of human evolution (or devolution) from behind the scenes. In an effort to prop up the illusion that France has an 'immigration problem' and to appeal to the more authoritarian-minded French citizens, the French government recently 'tightened' its requirements for anyone seeking French citizenship. Applicants will now be required to speak French as well as the average francophone 15-year-old and swear allegiance to "French values". Failure to achieve the language level, and infringement of the ambiguous requirement to adhere to 'French values', can lead to French citizenship being denied or revoked. Under the right circumstances (which could easily be provided by the never-ending 'war on terror') this new 'tighter' policy, directed at existing French citizens as much as new applicants, may generate thousands, or millions, of stateless former French citizens living precariously in France.

The USA, being relatively isolated (geographically-speaking) compared to France, hasn't had much experience with the results of such policies towards immigrants. The same can't be said for France however, and as Arendt points out, history shows that the extent to which a government curtails the 'fundamental' rights provided by citizenship, is an indicator of a country's progress towards becoming a police state:

The nation-state, incapable of providing a law for those who had lost the protection of a national government, transferred the whole matter to the police. This was the first time the police in Western Europe had received authority to act on its own, to rule directly over people; in one sphere of public life it was no longer an instrument to carry out and enforce the law, but had become a ruling authority independent of government and ministries.

In France, for instance, it was a matter of record that an order of expulsion emanating from the police was much more serious than one which was issued "only" by the Ministry of Interior and that the Minister of Interior could only in rare cases cancel a police expulsion, While the opposite procedure was often merely a question of bribery. Constitutionally, the police is under the authority of the Ministry of Interior.

The strength [of the police] and its emancipation from law and government grew in direct proportion to the influx of refugees. The greater the ratio of stateless and potentially stateless to the population at large - in prewar France it had reached 10 per cent of the total - the greater the danger of a gradual transformation into a police state.

Perhaps now we can make more sense of why, against all true logic and reason, the US political elite are passing laws that will allow them to not only detain any US citizen indefinitely without trial, but to remove their status as citizens altogether. The ultimate goal of our political elite may well be mass murder of those citizens who continue to miss the point that the 9/11 attacks and the 'war on terrorism' were all a ruse to usher in an overt dictatorship in the USA., and we're not meant to talk about it, much less take to the streets to protest the corrupt political and corporate elite. What we're meant to be doing is precisely what most of the German people under Nazi rule did - be spellbound by the rhetoric and talk of 'freedom and democracy' and get with the USA PATRIOTISM program. On the upside, most people are doing just that. For those of you who aren't, now might be a good time to look up your family history to see if citizenship of a second country is an option.

Hannah Arendt lived through the last great purge of humanity by the psychopathic elite. She came face to face with what she called the "banality of evil" and tried to warn future generations against complacency in the face of it. It seems appropriate, therefore, to leave the last words to her:

"Deadly danger to any civilization is no longer likely to come from without. Nature has been mastered and no barbarians threaten to destroy what they cannot understand. Even the emergence of totalitarian governments is a phenomenon within, not outside our Western civilization. The danger is that a global, universally interrelated civilization may produce barbarians from its own midst by forcing millions of people into conditions which, despite all appearances, are the conditions of savages."

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/240118-Lieberman-s-Bill-to-Kick-Off-Internment-Camps

palani
11th January 2012, 07:16 AM
Liberman - or whoever is pulling his puppet strings - probably thought long and hard about this problem and decided that the best way to re-include American citizens in the 'Indefinite Detention bill' was to provide for the removal of their citizenship!

This concept loses its' sting if you do a pre-emptive strike and get rid of the damned thing on your own.

All the laws that you find objectionable no longer apply when the stigma of U.S. citizenship is removed. You cannot even apply for benefits without proclaiming citizenship so the government has no reason to complain that you are too expensive to support.

If anyone accuses me of being a citizen I ask to see the papers that naturalized me.

jimswift
11th January 2012, 07:18 AM
It is becoming more and more apparent to me that the majority of the populace are crazy people.

To actually cast a vote in favor of any of these psychopaths running this national government, the person casting the vote has to be fucking nuts.

DMac
11th January 2012, 07:57 AM
While I like that the author is writing about NDAA and how absolutely despicable it is, I must take exception with the entire introduction to the essay.

He repeats "democracy" over and over - news flash - the problem with something like the NDAA is that this is exactly the kind of legislation that gets passed IN a democracy!


greater chance of being born into a large Western nation that is nominally democratic


all sorts of protracted subterfuge in a democracy.


free reign to one's dictatorial leanings in a democracy

News flash Joe, Constitutional Republics were formed to protect the

'citizen's rights' and 'Rights of Man' thing.
Not democracy! Democracy is a form of government called MOB RULE. Death to the individual!

This does not exist in democracy, only in republics:

when everyone seems convinced that there are not only democratic and legal rights but also natural 'inalienable' rights that come with just being a human being?


in any democracy, all those rights would have be removed
-democracies exist to take rights from some and transfer them to others.


One tried and tested way is to create a foreign or external threat from which the people of a democracy must be protected
Easily accomplished in a democracy but near impossible in a true republic.

To the people that write about "democracy" and the US needing this "democratic" process, I say go to hell. You get the government you deserve and the peoples' inability to understand that Constitutional Republics were created to protect freedom while democracies exist to take it away is an affirmation of the bold in this sentence.

Bigjon
11th January 2012, 08:07 AM
This concept loses its' sting if you do a pre-emptive strike and get rid of the damned thing on your own.

All the laws that you find objectionable no longer apply when the stigma of U.S. citizenship is removed. You cannot even apply for benefits without proclaiming citizenship so the government has no reason to complain that you are too expensive to support.

If anyone accuses me of being a citizen I ask to see the papers that naturalized me.

One only has to look at the case of Edgar Steele to know that "the law" means little or nothing to these people.

You people touting this bullshit about if you hold your nose just right, they won't bother you, are smoking something or you are dupes or misinfo artists.

There is no place to run and hide, you have to stand up to these petty tyrants or be run over.

palani
11th January 2012, 08:22 AM
One only has to look at the case of Edgar Steele to know that "the law" means little or nothing to these people.
Edgar Steele is a LAWYER. He is a BAR member. He is being punished by his own guild.


You people touting this bullshit about if you hold your nose just right, they won't bother you, are smoking something or you are dupes or misinfo artists. You people? Actually the message is that you should learn the law and be true to yourself. Those who receive the benefits get to pay for them as well. Is this a message you find threatening? Are YOU going to be one who is eventually going to have to pay for YOUR benefits?

palani
11th January 2012, 08:26 AM
He repeats "democracy" over and over - news flash - the problem with something like the NDAA is that this is exactly the kind of legislation that gets passed IN a democracy!

Another news flash: Congress is set up to run AS A DEMOCRACY. That is to say, one of limited membership where only 435 Representatives and 100 Senators (and occasionally one demented vice president) get to vote on ALL issues.

Congress is set up with dictatorial powers over territories belonging to the U.S. The major difference between the Articles of Confederation and the U.S. constitution is the creation of the municipality called the District of Columbia and the attachment of all territories to it. Congress administers to these territories absolutely. They are easy to find in this day and age. Each has a zip code attached to it. You get your mail to a zip code and you are in a federal territory.

joboo
11th January 2012, 08:36 AM
If you look deeper, this guy is one serious piece of garbage.

Deport or guillotine.

gunDriller
11th January 2012, 10:00 AM
If you look deeper, this guy is one serious piece of garbage.

Deport or guillotine.

Lieberman you're talking about is my guess.

Neuro
11th January 2012, 12:02 PM
This concept loses its' sting if you do a pre-emptive strike and get rid of the damned thing on your own.

All the laws that you find objectionable no longer apply when the stigma of U.S. citizenship is removed. You cannot even apply for benefits without proclaiming citizenship so the government has no reason to complain that you are too expensive to support.

If anyone accuses me of being a citizen I ask to see the papers that naturalized me.

How about if they just decide to put everyone who is not a US Citizen in a detention camp?

Ponce
11th January 2012, 12:05 PM
Want to know what it will be like in the US?..........the prisoners camp in Guantanamo is called......."Camp America"... think about that one.

Neuro
11th January 2012, 12:15 PM
Want to know what it will be like in the US?..........the prisoners camp in Guantanamo is called......."Camp America"... think about that one.

I think the indefinite detention camps will be called FREEDOM CAMPS! Who in the right mind could object to that? Only terrorists would!

StreetsOfGold
11th January 2012, 12:24 PM
Deport or guillotine.

Funny you should pick this particular method of execution as this WILL BE re-instituted (for the only thing that will save you) DURING the tribulation period.... coming Soon(er) than you think

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

palani
11th January 2012, 12:25 PM
How about if they just decide to put everyone who is not a US Citizen in a detention camp? They might do this but then would this be constued as motivation to join the body politic? Hardly seems voluntary when duress is used.

More likely U.S. citizens will be detained because they need to be "protected" and have a right to expect protection in exchange for allegiance.

JDRock
11th January 2012, 12:46 PM
...so,all this stuff was mocked as a wild eyed conspiracy theory, now what will they say?? rabbi LEVIN ramrodded the indefinite detention bill thru, and now rabbi lieberman is getting the internment camps ready....jewish conspiracy? just mock on, after all its nothing but a wild eyed conspiracy theory....

Neuro
11th January 2012, 12:46 PM
They might do this but then would this be constued as motivation to join the body politic? Hardly seems voluntary when duress is used.

More likely U.S. citizens will be detained because they need to be "protected" and have a right to expect protection in exchange for allegiance.
Seems more likely they take off the citizenry of those who don't wholeheartedly support the regime, and detain those to "protect" the good citizenry. If you denounce your citizenship, you just make it easier for them to come and pick you up for your indefinite detention. Good news is you get to go to a FREEDOM CAMP!

DMac
11th January 2012, 12:48 PM
...so,all this stuff was mocked as a wild eyed conspiracy theory, now what will they say?? rabbi LEVIN ramrodded the indefinite detention bill thru, and now rabbi lieberman is getting the internment camps ready....jewish conspiracy? just mock on, after all its nothing but a wild eyed conspiracy theory....

See post 2 from this thread:
New Nationwide FEMA Camps Should Raise Eyebrows (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57913-New-Nationwide-FEMA-Camps-Should-Raise-Eyebrows)

Scary times JD.

Libertytree
11th January 2012, 01:00 PM
But when things get out of hand economically how many people will go to them willingly, if not fight each other to get in? A FEMA Help Center near you is ready to assist w/ healthy meals, medical assistance, childcare, media and entertainment kiosks!

The really good accomodations are reserved for those of us who are dangerous to democracy.

MNeagle
11th January 2012, 01:12 PM
Want to know what it will be like in the US?..........the prisoners camp in Guantanamo is called......."Camp America"... think about that one.

& here today on HuffPo:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/461535/thumbs/s-GUANTANAMO-10-YEAR-ANNIVERSARY-AMERICANS-large300.jpg


Michael McAuliff
GUANTANAMO BAY TURNS 10: Could Indefinite Detention Bill Keep It Open For Years To Come? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/11/guantanamo-bay-10th-anniversary-indefinite-detention-american-citizens_n_1197547.html)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Twisted Titan
11th January 2012, 01:47 PM
I could give a rats @$$ about being made STATELESS

what I care about most is being made GUNLESS

palani
11th January 2012, 01:55 PM
If you denounce your citizenship, you just make it easier for them to come and pick you up for your indefinite detention.

When it comes to U.S. citizenship there is none to denounce. It never existed in the first place. The true citizens of the United States are the several States. As these are no longer in existence and all we are left with are administrative subdivisions of the United States of Columbia then it is time to recognize we have come full circle and are back at beginnings again.

There are always going to be those who want to worship the bull calf (read this as worshiping a fictional concept of the way the system was ONCE set up). Those who do so are dreaming and in the process they set their own chains. For me it is onward and upward instead to the Age of Aquarius and draw the curtain on what is no longer valid.

dys
11th January 2012, 02:08 PM
When it comes to U.S. citizenship there is none to denounce. It never existed in the first place. The true citizens of the United States are the several States. As these are no longer in existence and all we are left with are administrative subdivisions of the United States of Columbia then it is time to recognize we have come full circle and are back at beginnings again.

There are always going to be those who want to worship the bull calf (read this as worshiping a fictional concept of the way the system was ONCE set up). Those who do so are dreaming and in the process they set their own chains. For me it is onward and upward instead to the Age of Aquarius and draw the curtain on what is no longer valid.

We don't need to set our own chains, they are set for us.

dys

palani
11th January 2012, 02:13 PM
We don't need to set our own chains, they are set for us.

dys

If you were to enlist one of the first pieces of advice a drill sargent is likely to give you is "don't volunteer". From that point you are asked to volunteer for everything but don't say you weren't warned.

STOP VOLUNTEERING!

dys
11th January 2012, 02:17 PM
If you were to enlist one of the first pieces of advice a drill sargent is likely to give you is "don't volunteer". From that point you are asked to volunteer for everything but don't say you weren't warned.

STOP VOLUNTEERING!

I volunteer to expose your 'blame the victim' propaganda.

dys

palani
11th January 2012, 02:23 PM
I volunteer to expose your 'blame the victim' propaganda.

You present arguments and treat them like facts. You actually have no facts to go on. Even the reporters of a many of these STORIES present HEARSAY evidence at best but provide no facts. You then procede to fill in any gaps in your dreams and then decide you are the next victim to be tazed or unjustly incarcerated.

If you want to witness events then be there when they happen. Don't be relying upon the ficticious accounts of news hawks who want to sell their pablum.

dys
11th January 2012, 02:29 PM
You present arguments and treat them like facts. You actually have no facts to go on. Even the reporters of a many of these STORIES present HEARSAY evidence at best but provide no facts. You then procede to fill in any gaps in your dreams and then decide you are the next victim to be tazed or unjustly incarcerated.

If you want to witness events then be there when they happen. Don't be relying upon the ficticious accounts of news hawks who want to sell their pablum.

Better to rely on the ornate palaver of a man with a dog in the fight (read: you).
Correct?

dys

palani
11th January 2012, 02:36 PM
Better to rely on the ornate palaver of a man with a dog in the fight (read: you).
Correct?

dys
T'were me I don't believe I would be relying upon any one or any thing. Feel free to be responsible for your own actions and the logical outcome of those actions.

Neuro
11th January 2012, 03:49 PM
When it comes to U.S. citizenship there is none to denounce. It never existed in the first place. The true citizens of the United States are the several States. As these are no longer in existence and all we are left with are administrative subdivisions of the United States of Columbia then it is time to recognize we have come full circle and are back at beginnings again.

There are always going to be those who want to worship the bull calf (read this as worshiping a fictional concept of the way the system was ONCE set up). Those who do so are dreaming and in the process they set their own chains. For me it is onward and upward instead to the Age of Aquarius and draw the curtain on what is no longer valid.
Well, tell that to those who come to take you to the camp! Every human social system ever invented is a fiction, and it only becomes a temporary reality because people put their trust in it, or at least fear the consequences of not following the rules laid down. Even if you don't believe in the illusion, it is often times, better to play along with it, because they will come down hard on you with their full might to crush your open dissent to their illusion.

Indefinite detention without due process and recourse is hardly going to be beneficial to you or your ideas.