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Spectrism

15th January 2012, 09:20 AM

Now, for something completely different. Here is an explanation of what the UFO phenomena is. If this is true, we are among hybrids who walk this planet. The hybrids are a sad and evil lot. They are not fully man and cannot be saved by Messiah who took on the form of man to be the sacrifice for man. A mixed species is SOL.

Perhaps these vids will begin a discussion. We may even have hybrids who are members of this forum.... and they may not even know it. It is possible that much of humanity is tainted with mixed DNA. On a spiritual level, this is frightful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIRtTPryQvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XhUllWsYPM&feature=endscreen&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=G_xpdwtpmns

JohnQPublic

15th January 2012, 09:43 AM

Weren't the nephilim wiped out in the flood? I doubt God chose any nephilim to be on the ark.

Spectrism

15th January 2012, 09:48 AM

Weren't the nephilim wiped out in the flood? I doubt God chose any nephilim to be on the ark.

Yes- but that was not the end of them. It seems they were reintroduced by these inter-dimensional travellers... so the concept goes.

letter_factory

15th January 2012, 12:42 PM

david icke and his reptilians.

7th trump

15th January 2012, 12:54 PM

Spectrism

15th January 2012, 01:05 PM

God wiped the hybrids from existence hence the flood of Noahs time.....dont let any man tell you they were reintroduced................bunch of bullshit.
However, the same fallen angels who mixed with man to produce these hybrids will return once again with satan when hes booted from Heaven by Micheal.
Like the days of Noah was so will the ends days be.

So which is it? They were re-introduced like the days of Noah or there will not be days like Noah?

Num 13:29 Amalek is dwelling in the land of the south, and the Hittite, and the Jebusite, and the Amorite is dwelling in the hill country, and the Canaanite is dwelling by the sea, and by the side of the Jordan.'
Num 13:32 and they bring out an evil account of the land which they have spied unto the sons of Israel, saying, `The land into which we passed over to spy it, is a land eating up its inhabitants; and all the people whom we saw in its midst are men of stature;
Num 13:33 and there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.'

This is well after the time of Noah.

Blink

15th January 2012, 02:22 PM

gunDriller

15th January 2012, 03:47 PM

this is a history that is difficult to discern.

i think it is related to the chronology of the Jewish & the Chinese calendars - they go back about 4700 years.

MAGNES

15th January 2012, 05:00 PM

The Tavistock Institute for Global Manipulation (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?58138-The-Tavistock-Institute-for-Global-Manipulation&)

Blink

15th January 2012, 07:56 PM

this is a history that is difficult to discern.

i think it is related to the chronology of the Jewish & the Chinese calendars - they go back about 4700 years.

The Sumerian cuneiform tablets go back 6000 years........... or so they say.

Serpo

16th January 2012, 03:53 AM

http://exopolitics.org/Report-ET-Motivations.htm

Spectrism

16th January 2012, 05:38 AM

http://exopolitics.org/Report-ET-Motivations.htm

Interesting report. These aliens have an heirarchy. The Dracos seem to be the fallen angels- the devil's elite.

All pieces of information to keep in the back of your mind until more and verified info comes out.

PatColo

16th January 2012, 05:46 AM

Kevin Barrett's recent show ventured into the world of UFO's & abductions, read about the guest here,
Wednesday, January 11, 2012

"Weirde Wednesday": Jay Weidner on Ron Paul, David Jacobs on Alien Abductions (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2012/01/weirde-wednesday-weidner-on-ron-paul.html)

MP3 is here, 2nd hour only,
01/11/2012 (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-011112.mp3) Wednesday - 1st Hour: With Jay Weidner. 2nd Hour: With David Jacobs.

Silver Rocket Bitches!

16th January 2012, 06:13 AM

The Book of Enoch goes into more detail about the Nephilim and how they were fathered by the Watchers, or Angels from Heaven.

CHAPTER VI.

1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 4. And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'Very interesting read. http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/

madfranks

16th January 2012, 07:35 AM

Weren't the nephilim wiped out in the flood? I doubt God chose any nephilim to be on the ark.

Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

madfranks

16th January 2012, 07:39 AM

Spectrism

16th January 2012, 08:02 AM

I also believe that 1 Corinthians 11:10 is dealing with "alien/angelic" abductions:

KJV - "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

NASB - "Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels."

I never thought of this verse in that way. New eyes. The concept of authority is that the woman is covered by a man- either her father, guardian or husband. This is a protection from outside influences. Headship is the word for authority. Covering the head physically was symbolic of having a cover. A prostitute would go outside without a head cover.

Being under authority provides protection. Being your own authority makes you fight your own battles alone.

Grad

17th January 2012, 07:50 AM

The hybrids are a sad and evil lot. They are not fully man ....

Regarding your post above.

knowing the motive is paramount

knowing what makes them tick is

notice that our God Jesus Christ was fully man and fully God

Holly God came down from heaven and became a man.

Notice that as God is trinity so is man.

3 and 3 = 6

Satan will mimic the same.

The underworld will merge with humankind.

Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

the number of the beast is the number of a man

the beast-man creature is a hybrid

he is the man-demon; the false messiah; the false Christ

The Jesus Christ was God and man; so will be the Anti-Christ, the Devil-man hybrid.

dys

17th January 2012, 08:59 AM

Watch out for Chuck Missler, Spectrism (and anyone else). Please, test the spirits: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57310-Test-the-spirits

I haven't specifically tested Missler, but I have tested others that reference Missler, and they have come up dirty. I've been down this road, and for whatever reason, a lot of these guys that talk about this stuff are really bad guys (Bill Schnoeblen= example). The Satanic tactic of mixing lies and truth comes to mind. Again, please be very careful.

dys

StreetsOfGold

17th January 2012, 11:25 AM

God wiped the hybrids from existence hence the flood of Noahs time.....dont let any man tell you they were reintroduced................bunch of bullshit.
However, the same fallen angels who mixed with man to produce these hybrids will return once again with satan when hes booted from Heaven by Micheal.
Like the days of Noah was so will the ends days be.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The product of this co-mingling are giants and they are around AFTER the flood. How this occured, the Bible does not say but it does say AFTER THAT so you can make of it what you want but saying there is no re-introduction is silly.

BTW: I have not watched this video yet....I'm just replying based on what the Bible says about the giants before the flood

JDRock

17th January 2012, 11:59 AM

" and they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men" "insomuch as iron does not mix with mirey clay"

madfranks

17th January 2012, 12:09 PM

" and they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men" "insomuch as iron does not mix with mirey clay"

Daniel 2:43 if my memory serves.

Buddha

17th January 2012, 12:54 PM

There are several authors, Zacharias Sitchen (Sumerian cuneiform texts/tablets, R.A. Boulay (Serpents), Daniken (of Chariots of the Gods fame)(South American region) that agree somewhat (if not exactly)with Icke's version as well. It is very interesting reading and provides an alternative (yet encompassing) history of our planet and what its all about. Its got a very interesting and compelling version of events and conclusions, yet doesn't discount the religions of today (they're just off shoots/evolutionary diverse paths from the same thing)........... actually, I find it more believable than the stories they try to force me to believe. I mean come on, in the last 100 years we've gone from horse and buggy (which we've been stuck in for, oh say, couple thousand years) to space, nano technology, nuclear and god knows what else energy, DNA, quantum physics, the list is endless. Things that make you go, hmmmmm. Or, that "missing link" problem of how we evolved. The religions say thats when god created man or as the story goes, thats when the aliens manipulated the ape. They will never find the missing link, because to do so would expose our "alien" roots/genetic manipulation. We were created to be slaves. Anyways, interesting reads.

BTW, in Genesis ( I think) in chapter 3 v. 6 (or is it 6 v. 3 oh, well you'll find it) the bible talks of the "sons" of God (in the plural) and how these demigods or whatever took human women as mates. A time of giants and men of renown.... things that make you go, hmmmmm.

Yep, very interesting. Rather than looking at bible tales, and the myths legends of other cultures as figurative and symbolic, why not take them literally? Most if not all seem to stem from common origin. The number 12 is a reoccurring theme. 12 apostles of Jesus, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 Roman/Greek gods, Hindus had/have 12 deities, 12 signs of the zodiac, 12 stations of Buddhist life, hadith of the 12 successors in Islam etc. The Greek deities were well known for their lust of human women, and always meddled in human affairs. Jacobs ladder and Abraham's 3 visitors, angles are considered extraterrestrial.

Technological advances that happen in the blink of an eye. Hunter/gathers to, boom agriculture and domesticated animals, boom libraries, temples, organized armies, stone masonry, use of fuels, and printed language on clay, music, all in multiple cities nearly the same time. Industrial revolution almost instantaneously arrived, now to nanotech, nuclear power, and space exploration.

Sumerian cuneiform texts/tablets 6000 years old regularly show rocket ships, flying craft, and divine beings descending from the heavens. The epic of Gilgamesh has him looking for a launch field to reach the heavens and find eternal life. They built temples that had landing zones. Not to mention ancient mega structures that could not have possibly constructed with the technology of the the time, we still couldn't do some of it now.

Interesting indeed.

7th trump

17th January 2012, 03:03 PM

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The product of this co-mingling are giants and they are around AFTER the flood. How this occured, the Bible does not say but it does say AFTER THAT so you can make of it what you want but saying there is no re-introduction is silly.

BTW: I have not watched this video yet....I'm just replying based on what the Bible says about the giants before the flood
After what guys?
Who thinks this "after that" is talking about the flood of Noahs time?
Well you all are wrong if that what you think.
Noah doesnt come into play until Genesis 6-8.
The geneology of mankind is Genesis 5-1 to 5-32 and then it, very abruptly, it goes into the Chapter 6 "The corruption of mankind" where we read about the nephalim.
Gensis 6-1 talks about the sons of God (fallen angels who left their habitation to go to earth) to mix with flesh man. Then in verse 6-5 God saw that the sin of man had increased (thats time after they initially mixed fellow people). How much time that is is not known but nonetheless time. How many generations of these giants passed before Noah came into play to build the Ark to flood the world which is now so corrupt that God only found Noah and his family as pure and unmixed left in the world to preserve the seed line that Christ would come through.
Wake up and start using the grey matter God bestowed with you that sits snuggly between your ears!
Common sense goes a long way People!

Old Herb Lady

17th January 2012, 04:19 PM

Bless yourselves people !

Don't go on a Nephilium bounty hunt and on a path of looking for the truth unless you are prepared & protected with a suit of armor !!
Even if just looking for information through websites, books, people, you don't know who you are going to cross paths with on your journey !
Be careful ! Fallen angels & evil will put you in a spiritual warfare, be prepared by following the word of God & only believe what he tells you to believe and not what
the people can twist and turn it into. Call on Archangel Michael to guide you & guard you out of something if you feel that you have gotten yourself in over your head.
Psalms 91 11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;

Ephesians 6:10-20

The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

Protect yourself with the blood of Jesus !
Anyone could come under demonic or human attack at any time.

Father, in the name of Jesus, I now plead the Blood of Jesus over every inch of my physical body, over every inch my soul, and over ever inch of my spirit. I now plead the Blood of Jesus against any demons who may try and come against me. I now Plead the Blood of Jesus against any bad and evil people who may try and come against me.

I now plead the Blood of Jesus against any natural accidents or catastrophes that may come against me. I now plead the Blood of Jesus against any diseases, viruses, or illnesses that could possibly come against me.

Father, in the name of Jesus, I now have full faith and belief that the Blood of Jesus will now fully protect me against all of the things that I have just Pled His Blood on.

Thank you Father
Thank you Jesus
Thank You Holy Spirit

http://www.2heartsnetwork.org/protect.htm

http://www.bible-knowledge.com/blood-of-jesus-how-to-plead-for-protection-and-deliverance/

Old Herb Lady

17th January 2012, 06:02 PM

The Archangel Michael

Michael, whose name means, "There is none like God," is referenced several times throughout the Bible. He contended with Satan over the body of Moses:

"But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses..." (Jude 1:9). [4].

Michael, along with his host of angels is also credited with defeating Satan and Satan's league of renegade angels when they rebelled against God: "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." (Revelation 12:7 . [5].

Michael's modus operandi appears to be that of a warrior, a fighting angelic being. With Michael's help the angel Gabriel was able to appear to the prophet Daniel.

Angels in General

According to scripture, there are so many angels they cannot be counted, yet, God has a personal relationship with each one of them.

Their duties include the following:
•Praise and worship to God;
•Helping the believers of God;
•Delivering messages;
•Executing judgment; and,
•Help during emergencies.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/pinky18606/archangel.jpg

In Enoch:

The Book of Enoch, which presents itself as written by Enoch, mentions Uriel in many of the component books. In Chapter IX which is part of "The Book of the Watchers" (2nd century BCE) only four Angels are mentioned by name these are Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel. However the later Chapter XX lists the name and function of seven archangels these are "Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus", Raphael, Raguel, Michael, Saraqâêl, Gabriel, and Remiel.

The Book of the Watchers as a whole tells us that Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel were present before God to testify on behalf of Humankind. They wish to ask for divine intervention during the reign of the Fallen Gregori (Fallen Watchers). These fallen take human wives and produced half-angel, half-human offspring called the Nephilim. Uriel is responsible for contacting Noah about the upcoming Great Flood.
Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: "<Go to Noah> and tell him in my name 'Hide thyself!' and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it."
After judgment has been brought on the Nephilim and the fallen ones including the two main leaders Samyaza and Azazel, Uriel discusses their fates.
"And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons 'as gods', (here shall they stand,) till 'the day of' the great judgment in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch alone, saw the vision, the ends of all things; and no man shall see as I have seen."
Uriel then acts as a guide for Enoch for the rest of the Book of Watchers. He fulfills this capacity in many of the other books that make up 1 Enoch.

woodman

17th January 2012, 06:38 PM

7th trump

17th January 2012, 06:56 PM

So God in all his power can only clean the Earth by a flood? Why not just nod his head and have all the sinners just dissapear? Maybe he could send a cloud down and kill the evil ones like he did the eldest son's of Egypt. No, he's got to create a deluge that wipes out all innocent animals but for a pair of each and all innocent humans too. Kind of messy for a supreme being.

By the way.....how the hell does a giant mate with a woman of normal stature? I don't think it would work out too well.
The angels weren't giants. The offspring were giants.
There wasnt that many innocent humans back then. Lets not forget that the sin of man was populating the earth. Those who werent part of this sin of man were told about the flood which they all laughed at Noah. Too bad for them as they died in the flood water.
They thought Noah was basically a mad man as the earth back then wasnt watered by rain but by heavy dew. Beleive it or not, but the earth was watered by dew. Rain was never heard of....until it started raining and flooding the earth.
Also Noah was instructed to get a pair of every flesh. This includes the different races of mankind along with a pair of every animal.
After the 1000yr millenium the earth is brought back to its original state........oceanless, but with pockets of lakes and ponds. The water goes back up to the sky as the firmament where it will water the earth once again by heavy dew.

woodman

17th January 2012, 08:20 PM

This thread probably should have gone in the religion forum. What the hey, as long as we're on the subject......Ever notice that beyond the obvious dichotomy of the Bible, the old and the new testament, God himself seems to have a split personality? He is dichotomized. In the old testament he is a real prick, always killing people and demanding blood and sacrifices. Then in the new testament we have a kinder and gentler god, given over to forgiveness and having himself sacrificed for the good of all men. Two different gods. Did God have a revelation? Perhaps he was born again and changed his ways. He repented and saved his own soul. I just find it a little strange, that's all.

Buddha

17th January 2012, 09:01 PM

By the way.....how the hell does a giant mate with a woman of normal stature? I don't think it would work out too well.

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/shaquille-oneal-shaunie-oneal.jpg

dys

18th January 2012, 06:51 AM

The book of Enoch is the book that many people are referencing these days. I've read some of it. Very interesting stuff...according to the book, Enoch had some sort of a vision. He was brought to the heavens, where the fallen angels that had mated with humans had all gathered together to petition God to ask for forgiveness. There was great uncertaintly and fear, "for they knew that their sins were great." Their petition was denied and the judgment was passed, they were all sentenced to go to hell at the end of their lives. Enoch saw the angels crying and wailing.

Is the book true? I don't know. Some say that since Jesus Christ quoted the book, it must be true. Some say that the book of Enoch was originally part of the canon, but was removed through nefarious means. Others say that the book has been altered from its original form. I think the story I referenced is probably true, based on an experience that I was blessed with a couple of years ago. I say 'experience' because it wasn't exactly a vision, it is difficult to explain. It was very simple, but very powerful. I became aware that the reason that the demonic despise human beings is based on God's love and God's forgiveness. God's forgiveness as I understand it is a strictly human phenomenon.

A couple of years ago, I read and watched everything I could on the nephilim, fallen angels, ufos. The reptilians, underground bases, the Nasa program associated with UFOs, just everything. I spent hours and hours pouring through this conspiracy. As I got more and more information and I started to weed out the good from the bad, I started getting threats. The threats became more severe over time until I feared for my life on a daily basis. At one point I was even threatened that 'hybrids' were going to kidnap me, torture me, and eat me. It sounds unbelievable and even comical, but by this time I was pretty well spooked. Since then I mostly don't even like talking or even thinking about this stuff. But recently I've been considering diving back in and finding out what the real truth is.

dys

JDRock

18th January 2012, 06:59 AM

dys

18th January 2012, 07:14 AM

steve quayle has alot of info on these beings.... the "experiments" go on in labs operated at area 51 and dulce....and wright-patterson.....this stuff is REAL.
the aim is to (imo) give the fallen angels a place to hide from the judgement of God by mixing their dna with ours...kind of a human shield thing....why else would they need us?? the government sold out to them at iron mountain YEARS ago....silence and cover up in exchange for technology...

I first got started on this after reading Bill Cooper's book. Bill had documents regarding a story (aside: you never know if these stories are disinfo or they are real, it's all 2nd/3rd hand info) that the 'greys' (the kind of alien that looks like ET) had shown an advanced video to certain officials in the US government around the 1950s that showed Jesus Christ being crucified. According to the greys, they had created the entire world and even Jesus Christ. When I read that story, I wasn't even a Christian, but it was one of the first times I ever got that chill down my spine and that 'we are not in Kansas anymore' feeling. Then I started in on Dulce and the underground bases. I've read the above theory that you reference many times, but I'm a little skeptical that it's 100% true for the simple fact that a lot of the guys that preach that theory have turned out through my research to be imposters. There are a lot of imposters in this game...moreso even than in other conspiracy areas. For the record, I believe that Bill Cooper was the real deal, and they killed him for it.

dys

madfranks

18th January 2012, 07:20 AM

mick silver

18th January 2012, 07:54 AM

dys are there any free links to the books you talk about in your post . if so post thanks mick

StreetsOfGold

18th January 2012, 12:05 PM

So God in all his power can only clean the Earth by a flood? Why not just nod his head and have all the sinners just dissapear?

The flood left... evidence, which is all around you.

This is one reason why evolution was invented to COVER up this fact and make you THINK it took "millions of years" for the earth to have the look that it does. The cracks in the bottom of the ocean floors is where the waters came forth and yet evolution will claim this happened over millions of years. So, in a nutshell God could have just made everyone disappear but that would not have left evidence.

StreetsOfGold

18th January 2012, 12:08 PM

If you haven't read this book yet, I highly, highly recommend it. The Threat by Dr. David Jacobs. (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/doc/David%20Jacobs%20-%20The%20Threat.pdf) While a secular book, what he describes here is eerily similar to the goings on described in the Bible and the book of Enoch.

Even a person who has rejected the Bible as God's word, if they are honest, can still see the evidence as presented by the Bible. You just can't cover it all up.

mick silver

18th January 2012, 12:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY_gzHXxf3c&feature=related

dys

18th January 2012, 04:45 PM

dys are there any free links to the books you talk about in your post . if so post thanks mick

http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/enoch.pdf
That's a link to the book of Enoch. But like I said, I can't say for sure if it's the real deal.

The Bill Cooper book is called 'Behold a Pale Horse'. It's not only about the alien phenom, it's about a lot of other things. This guy was talking about the fake terrorists before anybody even knew what the word meant. I couldn't find any free links, but the book is worth buying. Even better are his podcasts (google him 'William Cooper'). Again, not all of them concern aliens (most don't).

In case it hasn't been already referenced in this thread, from The Holy Bible:

Genesis 6:1-4
1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

dys

Blink

18th January 2012, 05:51 PM

So God in all his power can only clean the Earth by a flood? Why not just nod his head and have all the sinners just dissapear? Maybe he could send a cloud down and kill the evil ones like he did the eldest son's of Egypt. No, he's got to create a deluge that wipes out all innocent animals but for a pair of each and all innocent humans too. Kind of messy for a supreme being.

By the way.....how the hell does a giant mate with a woman of normal stature? I don't think it would work out too well.

Sitchen writes that the flood was a natural event (a large portion of Antarctica breaking off and falling into the ocean) and that the aliens were aware that the event was forthcoming. The leader of the Annunaki, El (or something like that) had found a way of wiping humanity and the halfbreeds from the planet (he didn't like that they were made to breed on their own and multiply). El's brother Enki (scientist) and another alien Ninhursag (scientist) whom created humanity did not want it to be destroyed and so took their chosen one (Noah) and gave him the knowledge to save himself and others including genetic material of foods/animals..........

PatColo

19th January 2012, 12:27 AM

last I checked there were PDFs of Behold a Pale Horse around,

Thread: Bill Cooper's "Behold A Pale Horse" PDF (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?27737-Bill-Cooper-s-quot-Behold-A-Pale-Horse-quot-PDF)

dys

19th January 2012, 10:52 AM

Sitchen writes that the flood was a natural event (a large portion of Antarctica breaking off and falling into the ocean) and that the aliens were aware that the event was forthcoming. The leader of the Annunaki, El (or something like that) had found a way of wiping humanity and the halfbreeds from the planet (he didn't like that they were made to breed on their own and multiply). El's brother Enki (scientist) and another alien Ninhursag (scientist) whom created humanity did not want it to be destroyed and so took their chosen one (Noah) and gave him the knowledge to save himself and others including genetic material of foods/animals..........

Annunaki, doesn't that sound familiar? Annakin Skywalker, aka Darth Vadar.
Lots of other pop culture references to this stuff. I would say 'open your eyes', but that's a mind control term. Check out Fritz Springmeier, incidentally.

dys

undgrd

19th January 2012, 12:31 PM

But recently I've been considering diving back in and finding out what the real truth is.
dys

Would you mind posting a starting point? Book of Enoch?

Edit: You already posted...Thanks!

dys

19th January 2012, 12:56 PM

Would you mind posting a starting point? Book of Enoch?

(sorry spelling in a rush)
I would always recommend the bible as a starting point. There are quite a few quotes in the book that I believe are important. After that, it's a crapshoot. The only guy that I can recommend in good concious is William Cooper. Read his book, watch his speeches, and listen to his old radio programs. Most of them are available for free. After that, it's a crapshoot.
Book of Enoch is probably ok. Book of Jubilees might be ok. Most everybody else out there is probably not ok. The following people are probably NOT ok:

Bill Schnoeblen
Jim Marrs
Zacharia Stichkin
David Icke
Chuck Missler
Michael Tsarion

Like I said earlier, it is really difficult to find information that can be trusted when it comes to this issue. Harder than any other issue in my experience. Maybe someday, I will tell my story. Right now, I'm too afraid to and I don't necessarily think many people would benefit from it or even believe it. All of those guys I mentioned probably tell a little bit (or a lot bit in some cases) of truth, mixed with lies. I've seen ministries and websites that I believe had good intentions become overrun with wolves. I've seen just about everything. Just fair warning.

Here are some phrases and issues to check out if anyone is so inclined:

nephilim
rephaim
fallen angels vs. demons
greys
reptiles
insectoids
nordics
underground bases dulce NM
alien abduction
cattle mutilation
Alistair Crowley

Just these issues will lead you down into a million mini rabbit holes. If anyone should find themselves under spiritual attack, consider stopping what you are doing. If you insist on continuing and you ever need help, stay as far away from anything or anyone associated with spiritual warfare as humanly possible.

dys

dys

23rd January 2012, 07:35 AM

7th trump

23rd January 2012, 07:48 AM

Awoke

23rd January 2012, 09:12 AM

Regarding demons and forgiveness:

Can demons repent after they have sinned?

It is not possible for demons to repent after sin. According to St. Thomas, the will of an angel cannot change after is has made a choice because the angel (or fallen angel) sees with much greater clarity the object of his choice and hence his decision about that is irrevocable. Angels are mid-way between the immutable God, whose Mind and Will are unchangable, and human beings, whose intellect and will are clouded by the flesh and therefore always changable.

Humans have to be trained to choose the right things over time but are still free to choose evil. Angels, however, don't have to be trained. Once they grasp something, they know it in it's entirety,and they cannot change their choice for good or for evil once they have chosen it. That is to say that their choice of evil is always a mortal sin because they always give a deliberate consent of the will with full knowledge about matters which are always grave, and because of their superior knowledge, they remain for all eternity obstinate of their sin.

Any typos are mine.

Awoke

23rd January 2012, 09:19 AM

Matthew 24:37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Who is the they Jesus was talking about?

dys

I disagree with 7th on this.

When the Lord said "they", I believe it is in the context of living in sin and indulging the flesh, and ignoring God's directions and the Covenant.

They were basically partying hard and ignoring all Godly warnings, right up until the flood, when the Lord wiped them off the face of the earth. Same applies today. We are trapped in the world that the "Prince of this world" (satan) is corrupting, partying hard and ignoring the Lord, and this will continue until He comes again.

I'm not going to call bullshit on the fallen angels race mixing, becuase I have never really looked into it or given it any consideration in the past, however as I stand right now, I am skeptical of the whole concept.

As far as "Who is the 'they' that Jesus was talking about", it is all of us.

dys

23rd January 2012, 09:29 AM

I disagree with 7th on this.

When the Lord said "they", I believe it is in the context of living in sin and indulging the flesh, and ignoring God's directions and the Covenant.

They were basically partying hard and ignoring all Godly warnings, right up until the flood, when the Lord wiped them off the face of the earth. Same applies today. We are trapped in the world that the "Prince of this world" (satan) is corrupting, partying hard and ignoring the Lord, and this will continue until He comes again.

I'm not going to call bullshit on the fallen angels race mixing, becuase I have never really looked into it or given it any consideration in the past, however as I stand right now, I am skeptical of the whole concept.

As far as "Who is the 'they' that Jesus was talking about", it is all of us.

My friend, I'll tell you the truth. I am just not sure. But I am almost positive that the UFO phenomenon and everything associated with it is demonic. One day, hopefully I'll be able to connect the dots.

dys

Awoke

23rd January 2012, 09:34 AM

In the end, we will all know the absolutes of everything. In the mean time, it is important to strive to live as God has directed us, without allowing the interferance of the infiltrators to lead us astray.

gunDriller

23rd January 2012, 09:36 AM

My friend, I'll tell you the truth. I am just not sure. But I am almost positive that the UFO phenomenon and everything associated with it is demonic. One day, hopefully I'll be able to connect the dots.

dys

one thing that strikes me is, how similar Luke 1-26-38 is to many accounts of UFO 'contact experiences'.

"And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, [thou that art] highly favoured, the Lord [is] with thee: blessed [art] thou among women.

29 And when she saw [him], she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her."

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-Chapter-1/

Awoke

23rd January 2012, 09:46 AM

I don't consider angellic encounters to be synonymous with UFO or alien encounters. Aliens are flesh (If they are indeed real) where angels are without flesh.

Spectrism

23rd January 2012, 09:52 AM

I don't consider angellic encounters to be synonymous with UFO or alien encounters. Aliens are flesh (If they are indeed real) where angels are without flesh.

Perhaps the phrase "fallen angel" refers to those which lost their spirit essence and have become entrained in the flesh. It would be like gravity taking hold of them and pulling them into the realm of physical laws.

On the question of demonic repentence, there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood. There has to be a perfect sacrifice of the same blood. You cannot have goat blood save a man. And, you cannot have man's blood save an angel. The Messiah took on the form of man.

Awoke

23rd January 2012, 10:00 AM

Spectrism

23rd January 2012, 10:31 AM

Yes. Christ was God made man. His blood redeems us.

Demons are spirit beings, no different from angels, with the exeption of their alignment to evil and apostasy from the Lord who created them. Demons are not physical. They have no fleshy body. That is the pupose of possession and why they yearn for it.

Just guessing here as I have no definitive proof... but it may be possible for the spirit entities to take on physical form at will. Consider this:
Heb 13:2 Do not forget hospitality, for by this some unknowingly took in angels as guests.

But it may also require energy to maintain that state.

There may be a difference between fallen angels and demons. One demonologist thinks demons are discarnate human souls hungry to rejoin flesh. These are evil souls, selfish in their lust for flesh. Fallen angels, however, may despise the flesh. To them it is weakness and restricting.

Old Herb Lady

23rd January 2012, 11:31 AM

The fallen angels AND the demons are ALWAYS looking for a HOST. (me, you, all/any of us !! ) Always remember that.

Here are 8 very powerful verses from the Bible, all showing us that we are not to be afraid of demons, and that we are to directly engage with them if we have to, operating under God’s authority and anointing to be able to do so.

1.And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe. In my name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover.” (Mark 16:15-18

2.“Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee … the Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor, He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.” (Luke 4:14-18

3.“Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” (Luke 10:19)

4.“Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases. He sent them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.” (Luke 9:1)

5.“And He called the twelve to Him, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits … And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them.” (Mark 6:7,13)

6.“And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.” (Matthew 10:1)

7.“But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:6-8

8.“For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8

Old Herb Lady

23rd January 2012, 11:40 AM

If anyone should find themselves under spiritual attack, consider stopping what you are doing. If you insist on continuing and you ever need help, stay as far away from anything or anyone associated with spiritual warfare as humanly possible.

dys

Dys, that's pretty redundant there. That's like saying if you're in a drowning situation and you need help then stay as far away from the water as possible.

How is running as far away as possible going to help you when the dark entity (that is in or around you) can follow you as easy as pie and continue to practically kill you a little more each & every day.
God has given you the tools & rules to use & follow , heed them & you won't be running scared shitless if you're spiritually protected each & every day from the spiritual warfare that is occurring 24/7 ...365 .

Fight them off first to get them out of you/ away from you THEN run like hell but if you don't fight them off first then you just invited them in by running !

madfranks

23rd January 2012, 11:42 AM

(sorry spelling in a rush)
I would always recommend the bible as a starting point. There are quite a few quotes in the book that I believe are important. After that, it's a crapshoot. The only guy that I can recommend in good concious is William Cooper. Read his book, watch his speeches, and listen to his old radio programs. Most of them are available for free. After that, it's a crapshoot.
Book of Enoch is probably ok. Book of Jubilees might be ok. Most everybody else out there is probably not ok. The following people are probably NOT ok:

Bill Schnoeblen
Jim Marrs
Zacharia Stichkin
David Icke
Chuck Missler
Michael Tsarion

What's wrong with Chuck Missler? I've listened and studied along with his teachings on the nephilim and I've found them to be quite in tune with the Bible.

madfranks

23rd January 2012, 11:46 AM

My friend, I'll tell you the truth. I am just not sure. But I am almost positive that the UFO phenomenon and everything associated with it is demonic. One day, hopefully I'll be able to connect the dots.

dys

I'm totally positive that the UFO phenomenon is demonic in nature. I don't want to derail the thread, but there's a somewhat prominent luciferian out there named Aaron Donahue who remote viewed what he called the 72 goetic demon kings, and then drew crude pictures of what they looked like, and many of them looked like what we call "aliens".

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id260.html

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id286.html

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/themindofjamesdonahue/id255.html

madfranks

23rd January 2012, 11:55 AM

I don't consider angellic encounters to be synonymous with UFO or alien encounters. Aliens are flesh (If they are indeed real) where angels are without flesh.

I think a better description of angels would be to call them "spirit men", because they do indeed have fleshly bodies. Read Genesis chapter 18 when the angles of the Lord came to visit Abraham and they were offered to rest, wash their feet and enjoy a meal and drink with Abraham. And as mentioned above, many of us have entertained angles unaware. Jesus in his resurrected body was of flesh and bone, yet he was able to "disappear" like the angels. I personally believe that Jesus and the angels are simply not limited to the three spatial dimensions that we humans are limited to. But that is a discussion for another thread.

Ask yourself what happened to the spirits of the nephalim after they died? They were not angels, they were the unholy offspring of angels and humans. So where do their spirits go when they die? I think the demons prominently displayed in the NT are the spirits of the Nephilim, and the reason they yearn for bodies is because their bodies are dead, unlike the angels who don't die and lose their bodies.

Old Herb Lady

23rd January 2012, 12:10 PM

The Nephalim Agenda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2MWVxdDpgw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Cc2dSZKlE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEfEeDpp8PA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roQ2-XNJNYs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxctSZn9eCc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAA1veuCbuY&feature=related

Spectrism

23rd January 2012, 12:13 PM

I think a better description of angels would be to call them "spirit men", because they do indeed have fleshly bodies. Read Genesis chapter 18 when the angles of the Lord came to visit Abraham and they were offered to rest, wash their feet and enjoy a meal and drink with Abraham. And as mentioned above, many of us have entertained angles unaware. Jesus in his resurrected body was of flesh and bone, yet he was able to "disappear" like the angels. I personally believe that Jesus and the angels are simply not limited to the three spatial dimensions that we humans are limited to. But that is a discussion for another thread.

Ask yourself what happened to the spirits of the nephalim after they died? They were not angels, they were the unholy offspring of angels and humans. So where do their spirits go when they die? I think the demons prominently displayed in the NT are the spirits of the Nephilim, and the reason they yearn for bodies is because their bodies are dead, unlike the angels who don't die and lose their bodies.

Yes. All good points.

This verse stuck with me....

Mat 12:43 But when the unclean spirit goes from a man, he goes through dry places seeking rest and does not find it.
Mat 12:44 Then he says, I will return to my house from which I came out. And coming, he finds it standing empty, swept and decorated.
Mat 12:45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more evil than himself, and entering dwells there. And the last things of that man become worse than the first. So it will be also to this evil generation.

Awoke

23rd January 2012, 12:48 PM

With God, all things are possible. I believe that on occasion, when it suits God's purpose, He may allow some of His angels to take on a fleshy body, but I don't think the angels "have a fleshy body" and I don't think that angels can manifest in the flesh, unless the Lord gives them power to do so through his will.
In those cases, I believe them to be "on a specific mission" so to speak.

Following that same train of thought, I don't think demons can manifest or appear in flesh, because it is not in their power to do so by their own means or devices, and because God will not help them in any of their purposes.

So I am not taking a hard line and saying "They are not, never have been, and never will be" flesh. I am just saying that I don't think it's in their power to do so, without the direct machinations of God himself.

dys

23rd January 2012, 01:03 PM

Dys, that's pretty redundant there. That's like saying if you're in a drowning situation and you need help then stay as far away from the water as possible.

How is running as far away as possible going to help you when the dark entity (that is in or around you) can follow you as easy as pie and continue to practically kill you a little more each & every day.
God has given you the tools & rules to use & follow , heed them & you won't be running scared shitless if you're spiritually protected each & every day from the spiritual warfare that is occurring 24/7 ...365 .

Fight them off first to get them out of you/ away from you THEN run like hell but if you don't fight them off first then you just invited them in by running !

Go to God, not men. That is what I'm saying. The men in the 'spiritual warfare' community are for the most part very dangerous people. I made the mistake of getting involved with some of them and I'm hoping other people can learn from my mistakes.

dys

Old Herb Lady

23rd January 2012, 01:58 PM

Following that same train of thought, I don't think demons can manifest or appear in flesh, because it is not in their power to do so by their own means or devices, and because God will not help them in any of their purposes.

If demons don't manifest in the flesh then who are the illuminati ?

They are now beasts who have allowed demons to take over their bodies/flesh and turn against God.

Demons do have the power once the person in the flesh allows them /invites them in.

Spectrism

23rd January 2012, 04:39 PM

The nephilim are likely the beasts running the governments. Here is an interesting read. Shaggy dog tale or truth?

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/01/18/white-house-insider-you-dont-ever-wanna-do-the-things-ive-done/

WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: You Don’t Ever Wanna Do The Things I’ve Done…

by Ulsterman (http://theulstermanreport.com/author/ulsterman/) on January 18, 2012 with 96 Comments in News (http://theulstermanreport.com/category/news/)

UM: …Just start as you did before – before you decided to not include it in that previous interview.
Insider: I had a good reason for that…still not sure we want to go there. What’s done is done and all I got are thoughts. Suggestions. Bad feelings.
UM: That’s fine – the story has worth.
Insider: Another drink then…and another story for your…for whatever you think it might…

UM: Go ahead. The convention. Denver. 2008.
Insider: Yeah…yes-yes-yes. Yes we fu–ing can. Hope. Change. All bullsh-t…
So let me…let me put it – I’ll start if off like this…
There’s a fella…he’s West Coast…I’m East Coast. Great guy. Hell of a nice guy. Smart. Real sharp.
UM: You’re both – you both do the same thing? Within the Democratic Party?
Insider: Yeah – that’s right. I’ve been at it longer. I’m older…but he’s good. Connected. Well regarded. Funny son-of-a-bitch. Well liked…that’s not easy to do…with what we do…being well liked. I got…plenty…plenty of people don’t care much for me. Comes with the-the job. What it…sometimes what we are required to do.
You know…you know I destroyed a man’s career for the good of the party? That’s what they told me. For the good…they wouldn’t listen to reason. So drop the goods. Get it to that faggot at the Times. Wife. Kids. Shit…that’s all…that’s—
UM: (interrupts) I need you to focus on Denver…the convention…your friend. Focus…
(Pause)
Insider: (smiles) Yeah…my friend. Maybe a friendly acquaintance…he was everybody’s friend though. Even our Republican counterparts liked the guy. Respected him. We didn’t see each other all that much…but there were emails. A phone call here and there. He was a primary contact for the campaign out there…California, had some good people working with us in Nevada. Dealing with the union f-cks out there. J-sus did they screw Hillary on that. I’ve seen some dirty sh-t go down…but that was…they stole it. Bribed it. And she has to know. Has to know…
UM: The convention. Go back to that.
Insider: Ok – yeah…the fu–ing convention…
I’m gonna go there and then jump back…then bring it back…that’s how it went for me. That’s how I started to put it together…what…what left me – what got me worried. Thinkin’ they might of…that something very-very bad went down.
The Denver convention. Big success, right? Barack Obama…the media…just another easy campaign success for us. Everyone falling over themselves to say how brilliant…how fu–ing brilliant Obama was.
UM: You weren’t there.
Insider: No…they had me…I was back east. I watched it on the television like everyone else.
UM: But your friend was there. From the West Coast…the other operative.
Insider: Oh yeah…he was there. He was helping organize it all. That’s how he got so close…closer than I had ever been to Obama up to then.
UM: And he didn’t think of the convention as a success? Is that right?
Insider: No, that’s not right. Everyone knew the convention was a success. Can’t deny that…what a show, right?
…it’s what he saw behind the…behind the scenes.
UM: From the president?
Insider: He wasn’t the f–cking president yet. He was still just a do-nothin’ Senator bought and paid for by those Chicago boys.
UM: Explain what your friend saw – “behind the scenes” as you put it.
Insider: Oh…what he saw – what he saw…yes indeed. What he saw was sh-t that didn’t feel right. What he saw was…was a guy who came in draggin’ and a guy who left bouncin’ off the f-cking walls. What he saw…what he heard was a godd-mn…dammit…I’m forgettin’ how he told it. The term he used…
UM: The chant?
Insider: Yeah – the chant…but he used a term for it and I can’t…it was a word…ah, dammit to hell…
UM: How about you go back to the coming in dragging part…explain that a bit more.
Insider: Not much to explain…Obama comes in…he’s been there already right. Several practice runs…fired up the teleprompter, going over the stage marks…all the typical sh-t. When he’s out practicing…the family is all there, right? But when he’s in the back area…no family. They are…they are in different areas. My friend – he thought that was a bit odd.
UM: The president – Barack Obama…he appeared fine during the rehearsals?
Insider: Sure-sure…he wasn’t close to Obama at that point – but he could see him from a distance…could hear him. He sounded…looked like the candidate on television. The interviews. Smooth. Confident. Charismatic.
UM: But then?
Insider: But…then…later in the back area. Like a meet n greet area…and an adjoining room. Private. Closed off. So my friend is back there…some others too – they are hoping to catch the candidate coming in. You know…everybody wants to shake his hand. All that sh-t.
UM: And Obama comes in.
Insider: Yeah – like I said…draggin’. He’s…he looks wiped. Wiped out. His color is all off. His eyes…he barely…my friend says…my friend SAID…he looked right through them. Like his eyes couldn’t focus enough to see them…and a big fella…Black guy…he was…it looked like he was holding Obama up. Making their way to the-the room…the private area.
UM: Did everyone notice Obama’s condition?
Insider: I don’t know – my friend didn’t say anything about that…but he sure as hell noticed. He thought maybe Obama had gotten sick…it’s not uncommon on the campaign trail. You eat some sh-t food sometimes.
…so Obama is holed up in this room. People are kinda mingling about I guess…maybe ten, fifteen minutes go by. Then a couple folks march on in – that’s how he put it to me…they marched on in…very purposeful. One looked like Secret Service…the other was a woman. Didn’t get too specific. Wish he would have but he didn’t. The woman goes in – the other fella…he stays outside the door. She’s in there for maybe another five minutes…she comes back out and tells ‘em to clear the hall. Clear out. Says they need about ten minutes to prepare.
UM: Prepare?
Insider: That’s what he told me – she said they needed a little time to prepare.
UM: For what?
Insider: Hell if I know.
UM: So did he clear out with the others? Your friend?
Insider: No…he goes up to the guy outside the door…outside the room Obama, the big fella, and the woman are in. He’s just concerned…wants to know if he can help in any way. You know, maybe go get something for a bad stomach?
…But the guy outside the door – he ain’t messin’. It’s all business. Serious. He pushes my friend right on the chest – hard…tells him to step away and to clear the hall. And that’s where…that’s when he hears the chanting. The…he said it sounded like…like a…Gregory chant. That’s the term he used. A Gregory chant.
UM: Gregorian?
Insider: Eh? Greg…yeah…Gregorian.
UM: Was your friend Catholic?
Insider: Catholic…I…I don’t know. But that was the term there…Gregorian. It sounded like a Gregorian chant coming from the room…the room Obama was holed up inside.
UM: Could they have been praying? Singing?
Insider: Maybe..but…this group…the Obamas…prayin’ has never seemed like their thing. The team…they had a bunch of religion jokes you know. Even by then it seemed clear to most of us…like I just told you – Obama is an atheist. Now I’ve developed that little line of reason…0f reasoning later – down the road…but we all figured it then too.
UM: And his wife – Michelle…no sign of her?
Insider: I don’t think so…like he told me…they were never together except on that stage. No wife. No kids. Not until it was showtime apparently.
UM: So what then? Your friend is stopped outside the door and he hears…he hears what is described as chanting…is he the only one around at this point?
Insider: Don’t know that – he didn’t say.
He cleared out – like they told him.
UM: Does he mention this to anyone else there?
Insider: Then? I don’t know…he would mention it later though. I do know that. He told it to some others…that’s a big part of this…where this story…where this is headed. It’s where he f-cked up. It’s where…it’s…(trails off)
UM: That’s not it…tell about when he sees Obama come out of the room again.
Insider: Yeah…it’s maybe 20 or 30 minutes later…he makes his way back into the hall…there’s already a bunch of people there. Somehow the message went out to come back in…I don’t know. So they’re all mingling…the mood is great. Nothing being said about Obama being sick, or acting strange…nothing.
UM: But your friend is still wondering…concerned?
Insider: Oh yeah…that seems natural, right? The guy who is gonna accept the nomination on national television…the guy who is probably gonna be the next President of the United States…he is carried into a room not more than an hour ago? Hell yes you would think he would be wondering what the f-ck is up with that.
UM: But nobody else was concerned?
Insider: I told you – I DON”T KNOW THAT.
UM: Right then…go ahead. Keep going…
Insider: So…you got about…there’s a ton a people now waiting to see the…to see Obama make his way out into the hall. The ceremony is firing up…you can hear the enormous crowd in the stadium…whatever worries there might have been…people mighta just forgot them. Easy to do in that kind of environment. It’s a f-cking rock concert you know. A convention…that last night…the build up…an amazing thing. Like a drug those moments. You get a taste of it…you want more.
UM: So Obama comes back out – he leaves that room.
Insider: Michelle Obama comes out first.
UM: She does? But she never went in…
Insider: Obviously she went in at some point…just…my friend didn’t see that. He wasn’t around. Just…just shut up and let me do this…get through this. Keep your mouth shut for a bit…
…Obama’s wife comes out, there’s another woman carrying a bag thing. That would be makeup. Pretty sure of that. She was always…the amount of cover that Obama wears…I told you about that before right? Cakes that sh-t on. 24/7. It’s why his color seems to change so much…different brand, or product…something like that.
So they come out…the First Lady – soon to be…Michelle…she just walks on by. Not a word to anyone. She’s got a secret service guy who is alongside her. Out she goes and not a word. My friend notices somebody puts their hand on her – trying to say high or something…it’s harmless…but the Secret Service fella, he is right there to intervene. Pushes this other woman…she gets pushed back and the…Obama’s wife…she just keeps on walking. No smile – nothin’.
Another five minutes or so and out comes Obama and a few others – the big fella from earlier, the woman who went in after them, and now there appears to be a couple of Secret Service alongside them.
UM: Was that woman Jarrett?
Insider: Told you – don’t know. He…my friend – he didn’t say…
…so out of that room they come. Everybody is excited…including Barack Obama. It’s like…it’s like one man went into that room and another one came out. An entirely different man walked out of that room than went in. That is how…that’s how he told it to me. A different man walked out. The change…that…the transformation was stunning. He seemed taller. His eyes were…there was an energy to him. Powerful. He was smiling and joking, shaking hands, talking real fast…the suit – the one you see on television…every detail was perfect. Everybody was rushing to shake his hand, tell them they loved him…but my friend…he was shaken up. It was too damn weird, right? What the hell happened in that room? How could one man walk in and another man walk out? We’re talking two extremes here…Obama was just about carried into that room…and he comes out…he’s bouncing off the f-cking walls.
UM: Did your friend get close…up close to Obama at that time?
Insider: Oh yeah…got the handshake. Looked right up at him. And Obama…he looked right down…looked right down and through him.
UM: Through him?
Insider: Yeah boy…right the f-ck through him. He didn’t recognize…my friend…he had been introduced to Obama not more than a day before. He was helping organize the whole fu–ing event there in Denver. He spoke to the president…to the nominee…probably for about ten minutes. And there was nothing odd at that time…Obama seemed like what everybody saw in public. Not what my friend saw go into that room…or what he saw come out of that room. And Barack Obama – my friend was very…he made a point of emphasis there – Barack Obama did not recognize him in the hall. Not a clue. He smiled down at him, shook his hand…kept repeating thank you over and over again…and his eyes were always blinking. Fast.
UM: Blinking…his eyes were…blinking?
Insider: Yeah…like f-cking shutters. Blinking. Over and over again. My friend watched him as we he made his way to the side stage…his eyes were blinking over and over again.
UM: Drugs? Amphetamines?
Insider: I told you before what I know on that…the…his depression…or something along those lines…that was leaking out from the White House after he got in there…so maybe. Maybe somethin’ like that.
But that ain’t the meat of this thing…the…that’s not…I don’t give a f-ck if there were drugs or what involved before he gave that speech in Denver. What I care about…what-what…where this gets…where this leads us here is how people start gettin’ messed up who mighta seen whatever happened in that room before that speech…
…My friend…I heard later he had shared what he saw here and there. I’m guessing that sharing…my gut tells me somebody wanted him to shut the f-ck up about it.

UM: Explain why you have that feeling. Just…put it out there. You’ve gone too far not to finish it.
Insider: I don’t…you don’t…you still don’t have…you’re too bold sometimes and that scares the hell outta me.
UM: This friend you’re talking about – you said they are…they were – younger than you? Quite a bit younger?
Insider: Yeah…younger…young enough anyway.
UM: Enough?
(Long pause)
Insider: Young enough that when they are found dead at home with no sign of…of…of foul play…when the cause is put down as “natural causes”…
…when – I mean natural causes? Really? Just like that? Natural f-cking causes? A guy…he’s in relatively good health…not so bad anyways…he is found dead alone at home…been dead for weeks…natural causes? All neat and tidy like that huh?
Guy in his 50′s…natural causes. Just drifts off of natural causes? Well f-ck you no. Now that just don’t sit right with this here boy.
UM: And no investigation, right? Nothing.
Insider: That’s right – nothing. I get the news…stunned. Pissed. Suspicious. Worried. Sh-t, I had everything running through my mind the moment I got word. The timing…everything pointed to something not being right? Something serious was…it was all…things were not right.
UM: So no specific cause of death?
Insider: No investigation…coroner…the only word on that I heard back was no investigation. Nothing. Was it a heart attack? Some said it appeared that way…but nothing official on that. NOTHING. It just…they found him dead, he was gone…that was it. DONE. A guy in his 50s just up and dies and that’s it? No way.
UM: And then the other stuff you tied together…I haven’t heard that from you yet. Go ahead…tell that now. It should be a part of this.
Insider: You really think so? You really…none of this sh-t scares you?
UM: Yeah…it scares me. If your instinct on this is right…yeah, very much so.
Insider: You doubt what…what I’m sayin’ here? You don’t believe it?
UM: Not at all but you said yourself…this is…this is a feeling you have. Nothing specific. At least nothing you’ve told me yet.
Insider: Oh…oh…the kid wants specifics…that it? So easy to ask for…but then…but then what then?
UM: What?
Insider: You heard me – what then? What’s knowing gonna change in any of this?
UM: Maybe nothing…but keep telling what you know.
Insider: Don’t know it…feel it.
UM: Fine then…what you feel it to be. You said there was – that you put it together. The other pieces.
Insider: Yeah…I did. You want to know all that? How…how if you say too much in this…what I do…step too far out of line and that’s it. Ruin your marriage? How about some jail time? Maybe more? Maybe less? That’s how it is for us…we all…you don’t ever wanna do the things I’ve done.
UM: You’re drunk.
Insider: Yes I am. You’re not?
UM: No.
Insider: You drinkin? Bushmills? I brought it – I asked…you said…that was right?
UM: And then some – and thank you.
Insider: Not drunk?
UM: No.
Insider: Bullsh-t.
UM: Finish the story. Share the pieces.
Your friend dies. No investigation into cause. Then what? Who else? What other – who else is involved?
Insider: The other pieces?
UM: That’s right…the other pieces.
Insider: I won’t name names…not gonna put that on you..not gonna…I don’t want that responsibility.
UM: Fine…but you can still share the details. Don’t need to be specific – just specific enough.
Insider: How about the involvement of one of the most powerful members of the United States Senate? That enough to perk you up? That enough…f-cking specifics for you?
We got the death of a longtimer…an operative. Good solid party guy. Fifty somethin’ years old. Natural causes. No investigation. He sees something about the current United States president…says it…shares it with some others, including this Senator. They are tight. Go way back a ways. She’s got power. If she has…if she gets some kind of information… that makes her a threat. It makes him a threat. There’s a business partner…he…well wouldn’t you know it…he has a serious legal threat brought down on him around the same time! Imagine that? Bet he was told something too, right? No accident there. Warnings is what was going on there. Back the f-ck off – and it was comin’ right from the White House boys. Or worse yet…back to f-cking Chicago. The unions. That vote that pissed ‘em off so much. And then they killed him. And now they are taking on the Senator herself. Right on it. Theft? And the fu–ing thief is…I sh-t you not…she headed up an Obama group. That’s either ballsy or stupid…or both…or just fu–ing insane. The Senator…she knew something. That vote…how she bypassed Obama on the Bin Laden announcement. That wasn’t his call and she knew it. She knew it. Her words that night. “No one knows when. No one knows how. No one knows why.” She was warning them to back off…the White House. Back the f-ck off. The public face…all smiles and nods. That’s how it’s always done…but there’s what’s said off to the side, if you know what to hear…you catch it. It’s there. You just gotta wait for it. You just—
UM: Apologies, but you…can you slow down. You’re throwing out too much too fast here. Slow it down. Please. I apologize but this is…it will be way too difficult to follow.
Insider: For who?
UM: For me…for anyone who reads this.
Insider: I don’t give a f-ck about them…this ain’t…I am…this ain’t for them. You asked me to tell you this…you…this is for you. I…if they can’t follow it…let the dumb bastards try. Piss on ‘em.
UM: Fine – but I can’t follow it…so…start again. The Senator – start with her. Take a bit of time to explain that…
…and then go from there.

Book

23rd January 2012, 04:55 PM

Old Herb Lady

23rd January 2012, 04:59 PM

Thanks alot Spectrism, I really needed to have shivering chills all over my body. Yiiiiiiiikes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FREAKY !!!!

I gotta go bless myself & get all this ick out of my head now !

Spectrism

23rd January 2012, 05:08 PM

Thanks alot Spectrism, I really needed to have shivering chills all over my body. Yiiiiiiiikes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FREAKY !!!!

I gotta go bless myself & get all this ick out of my head now !

oops.... sorry. There is some really creepy stuff going on with Obama and his managers. The meetings with the power brokers must be like vipers in a pit.

Old Herb Lady

23rd January 2012, 05:16 PM

Oh Specs ! Thank You for posting it ! I want to know , I just don't like what I know.

Old Herb Lady

23rd January 2012, 05:29 PM

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt208/njgrandma/Religious/ANGELPROTECTG.jpg

Awoke

24th January 2012, 04:01 AM

If demons don't manifest in the flesh then who are the illuminati ?

They are now beasts who have allowed demons to take over their bodies/flesh and turn against God.

Demons do have the power once the person in the flesh allows them /invites them in.

Don't confuse perfect-possession (Voluntary possession) of a human with a demon having its own corporeal body. In that case it is still just the body of a human, who has willfully given their body over to demons.

Spectrism

24th January 2012, 04:43 AM

How could angelic beings mate with women if they were unable to take on physical attributes? There is some linkage with this physical realm that they are able to use. When we hear about UFOs and the aliens as being trans-dimensional, it sounds like the transfer of organized energy into different frequencies of matter. The physical laws we see in this world all lead to more chaos - breaking down organization into less organized parts. The ONLY exception to this is LIFE. Life brings more organization as it collects matter and arranges it. Life is displayed as organized energy.

Awoke

24th January 2012, 05:35 AM

I never said angels mated with humans. You guys said that.

afaic, aliens are aliens.(if they exist) Demons are demons. apples and oranges imo.

Spectrism

24th January 2012, 05:56 AM

I never said angels mated with humans. You guys said that.

afaic, aliens are aliens.(if they exist) Demons are demons. apples and oranges imo.

Well, yes- that is a good thing to do.... limit comments to what we know. It is true that we cannot be sure angels mated with humans. It is possible that other created species did come here from other planets and were called "sons of god" because of their advanced knowledge and size. These need not be angelic beings. I think it is a limitation of existing language and understanding that could lump various categories together into one word.

Either way, the result of the mix- hybrids, would be a doomed lot with no chance of redemption according to the messages of Messiah and the prophets. And if they are in such a hopeless category, their propensity toward clever evil could be amazing.

Awoke

24th January 2012, 06:44 AM

Silver Rocket Bitches!

24th January 2012, 07:46 AM

madfranks

24th January 2012, 07:59 AM

Also another couple things to take into consideration:

The take on "Sons of God" and "Sons of men" as far as the Catholic dogma goes, is as follows:

The sons of God: The descendants of Seth and Enos are here called sons of God from their religion and piety: whereas the ungodly race of Cain, who by their carnal affections lay grovelling upon the earth, are called the children of men. The unhappy consequence of the former marrying with the latter, ought to be a warning to Christians to be very circumspect in their marriages; and not to suffer themselves to be determined in their choice by their carnal passion, to the prejudice of virtue or religion.

This would dissolve the "breeding with angels" theory. I am not saying what I quoted above is fact, I am just sharing.

There is nowhere in the entire Bible that says Seth and Enos were righteous and pious. Whereas the Bible discusses the sin of the angels and even compares it to sodom and gomorrah, indicating their sin was deviantly sexual in nature:

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Also, to bear in mind, when in reference to giants in Genesis 6:4, things were different before the flood. The people lived to be 900 years old, and some theologians assert that they were bigger in stature. I don't know.

However in Numbers 13:33, we see giants referred to again. In this case, it was the people with Moses who were rumouring, nothing more.

What about Deuteronomy chapter 3:11? It mentions Og, the king of the Giants whose bed was 14 feet long and 6 feet wide!

For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

dys

27th January 2012, 06:43 AM

What's wrong with Chuck Missler? I've listened and studied along with his teachings on the nephilim and I've found them to be quite in tune with the Bible.

I can't say definitively that he is a false teacher. I can say that I have a very bad feeling about him, mostly because other false teachers use his stuff. There are masonic connections, there...and connections to the Hebrew roots movement, and connections to the 'spiritual warfare' community. Also, there are rumors of womanizing. Not to say that we are all perfect, not at all...but overall, this guy doesn't pass my smell test. Caveat- rumors can sometimes be disinfo and I am certainly capable of making mistakes with my discernment. A good website to start:
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/08/christians-discerning-truth-about-chuck.html

Christians Discerning the Truth About Chuck Missler

Others have done some of this research regarding Missler but want to share my experiences and share these links to expose this false teacher. Years ago, I listened to Chuck Missler's DVDs, CDs, and online Bible teachings, many were sent to me via a diehard fan of Chuck Missler's. Chuck Missler is a popular teacher in Calvary Chapel circles, and even got his start with Chuck Smith's Costa Mesa church. Chuck Missler says even recently on his website that he considers Chuck Smith still to be his "personal pastor" and that along with his business partner, and Walter Martin, he was mentored by Chuck and them, and they have served on each other's board of director's. Hal Lindsey has played a part too where Chuck Missler admits that they shared a long personal relationship and helped him get his start as well.

Chuck Missler is a very popular teacher in Calvary Chapel circles, and in Calvary Chapel many will share his teaching CDs, books and much more. I listened probably to dozens. Now being trained to always test by God's Word, while I was intrigued by in-depth Bible studies, there were things that alarmed me about Missler from the get-go, why did he warn about YK2 which turned out to be the biggest bust going? His Nephilim teachings were strange and kind of raised a red flag--the idea of fallen angels mating with humans seemed more from the uninspired book of Enoch then from scripture. Some of the teachings about the Bible seemed to border on Kabbalah like interpretations of the special meaning and use of words or even specific Hebrew Letters. Why did he advance Bible Codes? Even if he separated from himself from the popular Bible Code books, this was worrisome as well. I myself reading Bible Codes II at a bookstore, saw the scary prophecy [which obviously turned out be false] that a major USA city would be nuked in 2006, and realized with time, those books were just more confusion and using the Bible for sinful divination which was not based on any truth. The focus on Bible Codes in general seemed just more distraction. My worry about Chuck Missler being a false teacher and not just making normal human errors or misjudgements, grew stronger and strong.

It got even worse, the false doctrines piled to the ceilings with Chuck Missler's wife publishing a book he supports called "The Kingdom, Power and Glory" which said that so called "carnal Christians" [there really is no such thing] during the Millennium will be sent away from the Lamb's Supper Table to go stew in "darkness". This one floored me because it basically spoke of a Protestant Purgatory or at the very least putting Christians back under the law. Even Dave Hunt, who says he considers Missler a friend came out against this book warning of its false doctrines considering this "outer darkness".

But the picture grows even darker. With further study, one can find out that Chuck Missler is purported to be a member of the Council for National Policy, a group that has oddly both the antichrist Reverend Moon [who claims to the Messiah today], and Catholic Knights of Malta members and even has been headed by a Catholic president until at least last year coupled with Tim LaHaye who helped found it. The Reverend Moon connections to this group and others like it have made for some odd Christian right bedfellows . What was scary were the so called "Christians" who excused this, saying politics trumped the teachings of the Bible.

But as I looked over more and found out about Chuck Missler's connections to the Swansat Project things got even stranger and surreal. As the website Discerning the World asked in a different way: I too ask: What kind of born again Christian pastor would be behind a program like this? That seems one world government to the core: "Learn how SWANsat™ can help stabilize the world's economy through the proposed gold-backed Auric™ currency". Its main focus as co-associate Welty states being: "SWANsat could play a significant leadership role in connecting every person on the face of the planet.” and the what about the "African Union"? The mind boggles.

Other Christians have discerned the truth about Missler and go into even more detail as to the odd bedfellows at conferences and other worrisome teachings and connections. Please take heed and be careful of trusting in this teacher. I have thanked God for warning me.
Posted by Bible Believer at 10:45 AM

dys

madfranks

27th January 2012, 07:30 AM

dys

27th January 2012, 07:38 AM

I appreciate the warning dys. One of the things I happen to really like about Chuck is that his signature verse is Acts 17:11 which says "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so". Whenever he starts going into a touchy subject like the nephilim or prophecy, he openly tells us not to take him for his word, but search the scriptures yourself whether those things are true or not. He knows his views aren't shared by many other pastors and Bible teachers, but he never denigrates them, rather he counts many of them as friends.

^^^ I've never read his wife's book, but that's a little strange.

I don't want to be the guy ruining the party. Especially in this case, because truthfully I haven't taken the time to really check this guy out, so I can't say that I know. BUT, that whole 'check this out for yourself- thing, that's what a lot of controlled opposition guys say. Glenn Beck says the same thing, for example. The hallmark of the best controlled op (from the perspective of the bad guys) is that they have a hook, it's usually some profound or refreshing truth or insight. I'm going to try and get ahold of this dude, and we'll see what he says. I'll give him the test. I don't think he will pass it, but I hope I'm wrong.

dys

Awoke

30th January 2012, 07:04 AM

Tough call. I remember being in Chat and I think it was Ol Herb Lady who warned me about Missler.

At that time I was watching his videos. I haven't been though, lately. I can't really comment on his authenticity or accuracy, being that I have only watched a couple vids and never really dissected anything. I always have my guard up though.

Spectrism

30th January 2012, 07:08 AM

Many people claim to have the answer. Trust no one. Search out the answers for yourself.

btw- I am very suspicious of nearly all the "christian" writers of today. Getting published is one part business and two parts media control.

Santa

30th January 2012, 11:10 AM

Ayn Rand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand)'s magnum opus, the novel Atlas Shrugged (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged), is known in Hebrew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew) translation as "Mered HaNephilim" (מרד הנפילים, literally: the revolt/rebellion of the Nephilim)

That's interesting.
Ever listen to John Todd? He talked about Rand back in the 70's. He was supposedly connected. satanist, illuminatist, etc. He was rebuked, defamed and essentially destroyed, but nevertheless had some interesting things to say, especially pertaining to the intentional destruction of the worlds economy. Way back in the early 70's.

Phillip Rothschild ordered one of his mistresses to write an 1100-page book that would describe to all witches how they would take control of the World through the Illuminati: It's called Atlas Shrugged (http://kt70.com/%7Ejamesjpn/articles/atlas_shrugged.htm). (By Ayn Rand) One of the things in it is happening on the front pages of the newspapers across the United States right now. In fact she spent a third of the book describing how they would raise the oil prices and then later destroy the oil fields & then they would also completely shut down the coal.

IT ALSO DESCRIBED HOW THEY WOULD BLOW UP GRAIN MILLS, how they would derail trains. Their sole purpose is to bankrupt their own companies and destroy their own companies (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html) until they destroyed the currency of the whole World, and still be so financially strong they would withstand it!

dys

30th January 2012, 12:35 PM

That's interesting.
Ever listen to John Todd? He talked about Rand back in the 70's. He was supposedly connected. satanist, illuminatist, etc. He was rebuked, defamed and essentially destroyed, but nevertheless had some interesting things to say, especially pertaining to the intentional destruction of the worlds economy. Way back in the early 70's.

I have listened to John Todd. An interesting guy, and a disquieting story. As far as I know, the guy disappeared and has never resurfaced.

dys

dys

30th January 2012, 12:44 PM

More on Chuck Missler. It doesn't look good. He owns a company called 'The Phoenix Group'. Phoenix- occultic term. Hidden in plain site. Also reportedly friends with Hal Turner.
Dr. Chuck Missler, SWANsat and the Auric™ Currency

http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/17/dr-chuck-missler-swansat-and-the-auric%e2%84%a2-currency/#more-7657
I am writing this article because I do not think that Dr. Chuck Missler is being at all honest with us as to what he really believes and who he ‘works’ for. For some unknown reason Chuck Missler is ‘protected’ in that he seems to be able to get away with all sorts of false prophecy and publishing books on ‘extra biblical’ occult subjects with no one battering an eyelid.

His resume (freely available on the internet) is profound in that Chuck’s interests, companies and world plans all seem to tie in with what he himself tries to expose as bad in his books.

Chuck Missler is not an expert on prophecy, he is helping to orchestrate Biblical prophecy by aiding and abetting the One World Order.

I will let you review the below information and you can ask yourself the question; “Why is a born again Christan ‘serving the people’ by connecting the world via 3 satellites and helping to establish the African Union with a One World Currency?”

I know I am going to get some serious slack for this article, but someone has to say something. And seeing as though I have nothing to lose, let me be that person. In my research I have noted some highly recommended pastors support Chuck Missler, some even have their their books being published on Koinonia House Europe.
I sincerely pray that these pastors that I myself love very much, take heed of what I have written here and re-evaluate their position regarding what the Bible says about false teachers and how it’s even possible for the elect to be deceived.

There are many things that I myself have fallen prey too and sometimes it’s been difficult for me to want to believe I was fooled. I am no one special, but I do my utter best to listen to the Holy Spirit’s warnings and I ask Jesus for forgiveness of these things and rectify my errors so that I do not lead people astray.

It sometimes takes a donkey (or a parrot in this case) to come along and show us something that was so glaringly obvious.

Dr. Charles ‘Chuck’ Missler: (Information below in no particular order)

Chuck and Nancy Missler established Koinonia House in 1973

Chuck Missler also has close ties with Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel (where he preached) which was founded by The Jesus People

Close friend to Hal Lindsey (broadcasts shows on Trinity Broadcasting Network). Hal Lindsey who had a show on TBN for years had his show removed by TBN in December 2005 because of his criticism against Islam. As of Feb 2007 he was back on TBN hosting his show, “The Hal Lindsey Report”. — http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17439/hal-lindsey

Pat Matrisciana is a director of Chuck Missler’s Koinonia House. Matrisciana also founded Campus Crusade for Christ with Bill Bright

Dr.William Welty was appointed to the board of Directors of Koinonia House on 24 October 2009, which creates, develops, and distributes materials to stimulate, encourage, and facilitate serious study of the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. Koinonia House is located in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho and was founded by Dr. Charles Missler.

Chuck Missler supporter of the Bible Code which is Gematria/Numerology - literal Qabalah. Book: Hidden Treasures – Chuck Missler highlights many of the trademark discoveries of hidden messages within the Biblical texts that will challenge and excite you! A ‘must read’ for every thinking seeker of truth and serious inquirer of reality. — http://khouse.org.uk/chuck_books.html

On TBN’s 12/29/99 ‘Praise the Lord’ program which Hal Lindsey and Cliff Ford, hosted. One of their guests was Chuck Missler. Missler said he was there for the purpose of endorsing TBN’s movie, The Omega Code, and promoting his own new book on the Code. The Omega Code movie did NOT promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but rather gave credence to the latest big lie — that there are hidden messages in the Bible when one uses the letters as an acrostic puzzle. This is the latest blasphemy sweeping through the professing church — using the Bible as a tool for divination.” –Biblical Discernment Ministries

Occult fascination with UFO’s. Alien Encounters: This book confronts the issues surrounding the sightings of UFOs and alien abductions and offers answers to many of the most pertinent questions. — http://www.alienencounters.com

Dr. Charles W. “Chuck” Missler’s Curriculum Vitae:
Member of a globalist group since 1998, the Council For National Policy (CNP).

Established the first international industrial computer network in 1966 while working at Ford Motor Company.

Founded a computer networking organisation later acquired by Automatic Data Processing (NYSE) to became its Network Services Division. Consultant to the Board of Directors of Rockwell International for corporate acquisitions. Pioneer in computer technologies, participation in the development of some of the most top-secret military systems, including the Stealth bomber, anti-submarine warfare, worked with William E. Simon, former Secretary of Treasury on a strategically sensitive ultraviolet laser project, partnered with Boeing on P-3 upgrade, CEO for Advanced developments for Department of Defense and other deeply classified customers, Global Positioning Satellite systems, Director of Applied Devices Corporation for data processing support services for international oil industry, state lotteries, etc.

Owner of The Phoenix Group, Inc., – 1989
Personally funded the first microchip implementation of the Data Encryption Standard (DES)

(Unrelated to above)- If anyone has cable, please do a search on available movies. An astonish percentage of them right now are even related to aliens or supermen/aliens. What does that tell you?

dys

gunDriller

30th January 2012, 12:55 PM

(Unrelated to above)- If anyone has cable, please do a search on available movies. An astonish percentage of them right now are even related to aliens or supermen/aliens. What does that tell you?

dys

Jew-wood is pushing the theme.

a list of current Jew-wood themes -

ET/UFO

Scary Muslims

Violence

Comedies promoting Jewish comics

end-of-the-World

... etc.

dys

8th February 2012, 01:05 PM

i watched the movie Beauty and the Beast yesterday. Hmmmm.

dys