Ron Paul, or Not At All Poll

[uncletonoose]

Who will vote for Ron Paul, or Not At All?, or the Republican Nominee?

[Shami-Amourae]

If Ron Paul doesn't win I'm voting 3rd party. I don't care if Obama or the Republican Nominee wins since they are all big government fascists/socialists.

[Ares]

Ron Paul or not at all here. I can't with a clear conscience vote for a nominee other than Ron Paul.

[Sparky]

If he does not get the nomination, I'm concerned that a 3rd party effort would simply have the effect of re-electing Obama.

I know there's a lot of hating for Romney going on in GSUS, but how do you feel about Romney versus Obama? If it's not Ron Paul, do you think the Romney-Obama choice becomes irrelevant?

My view is that if we go more toward a crisis situation during 2012-2016, Obama will do much more long term damage than will Romney, because he'll be given more executive power to advance his socialist agenda. Romney has his weaknesses for sure, but between those two, who do you want to be in charge during a crisis?

[BrewTech]

If he does not get the nomination, I'm concerned that a 3rd party effort would simply have the effect of re-electing Obama.

I know there's a lot of hating for Romney going on in GSUS, but how do you feel about Romney versus Obama? If it's not Ron Paul, do you think the Romney-Obama choice becomes irrelevant?

My view is that if we go more toward a crisis situation during 2012-2016, Obama will do much more long term damage than will Romney, because he'll be given more executive power to advance his socialist agenda. Romney has his weaknesses for sure, but between those two, who do you want to be in charge during a crisis?

Neither.

[LuckyStrike]

If he does not get the nomination, I'm concerned that a 3rd party effort would simply have the effect of re-electing Obama.

I know there's a lot of hating for Romney going on in GSUS, but how do you feel about Romney versus Obama? If it's not Ron Paul, do you think the Romney-Obama choice becomes irrelevant?

My view is that if we go more toward a crisis situation during 2012-2016, Obama will do much more long term damage than will Romney, because he'll be given more executive power to advance his socialist agenda. Romney has his weaknesses for sure, but between those two, who do you want to be in charge during a crisis?

I am still unclear as to how they are different. They are both pro abortion, pro war, pro Central bank, pro central planning of the economy, their fiscal policies are the same, the both support government healthcare, they both support bailouts etc.

If Ron Paul doesn't get the nod I will either write him in, vote for who he endorses or not at all.

[Sparky]

Neither.

Please be more specific. I know neither is your first choice, but are you saying that they would be equally bad?

When it was Obama versus McCain, I voted for Ron Paul, but given the choice I preferred to see Obama win so that his "hope and change" could be exposed for what it is, rather than people just viewing problems as the result of McCain continuing the Bush legacy.

I'm a little torn about which non-Paul candidate to see in there. On the one hand, I would like to see Romney's "businessman" reputation get tested, even if it fails. But if a failure is inevitable, I wouldn't mind seeing Obama being completely exposed as a fraud, since it will be hard to make excuses with 8 years to work with. But I think he will fuk things up more, which I'm not too happy about.

[Sparky]

I am still unclear as to how they are different. They are both pro abortion, pro war, pro Central bank, pro central planning of the economy, their fiscal policies are the same, the both support government healthcare, they both support bailouts etc.

If Ron Paul doesn't get the nod I will either write him in, vote for who he endorses or not at all.

I just think Obama is far more of a socialist/facist. Of everything on your list, he's far more emphatically "pro" than Romney. Do we want Obama Light, or Obama Ultra?

[Libertytree]

So what we're really talking about here is the lesser of the evils, whomever that may be. I've been done with that BS for 28 years and I refuse to be a party to it any more! If we can't fix it, fuck it! Ron Paul or not at all. There isn't a dimes worth of difference between any of the other R's or the D's, voting in either of those two directions only serves to legitimize a failed two party system that seems to be hell bent on destroying itself and the country too. It's high time (and has been) to let principles stand firm and undaunted against a despicable and evil status quo. I'll vote with a can of spray paint before I sell out and vote for the lesser of the scum and will watch the country and world go to hell in a hand basket. It will only be at that point that they'll beg Ron Paul to impart a real dose of common sense and sanity, if it's not too late.

[uncletonoose]

Lets put this in perspective, lets say McCain won the election in 2008. Do you think the outcome to the present day would be any different? We would now be fighting McCaincare, and a multitude of other unconstitutional legislation that the Neocons put in place. I am with LucyStrike on this. Ron Paul or not at all with the only difference that Ron Paul wouldn't endorse any of the Neocons IMO.

[iOWNme]

It is better that Soetoro stay in, if another NeoCon is our choice. More people are waking up everyday with Soetoro dictating his socialist ways. I bet more people have woken up to the false Left v Right paradigm under Soetoro than any other President in history.

If ANY republican candidate beside RP gets elected, the majority of the sheep will go back to sleep because 'their team won' and they dont need to be on the field of life for another 4 years.....

[Sparky]

Yeah, LT and Lucky, I understand your view, and this is how I voted in 2008, and I may have to write his name in again in 2012.

But the thought of 4 more years of Obama is so repugnant. Yuck.

[Book]

I'm concerned that a 3rd party effort would simply have the effect of re-electing Obama.



And yet, the GOP is obviously willing to accept this instead of allowing Ron Paul to be our next President.

[gunDriller]

If he does not get the nomination, I'm concerned that a 3rd party effort would simply have the effect of re-electing Obama.

Romney ~= Obama. Romney has the daughter of an IDF general deep inside his life ... Obama had the son of an Irgun terrorist as his chief of staff.

not much difference.

i would vote for Cynthia McKinney but I don't know if she's running. she's one of the few other elected politicians that stands up to Israel.

[Libertytree]

Without RP's voting block the R's don't stand a chance, if we vote 3rd party or not at all the election is Obamas, plain and simple. The GOP will have to learn that it is we who control their fate and they're playing with the wrong people if they think for a second we'll be satisfied or placated by their silly ass gestures. Maybe we have learned a thing or two from them, because we won't negotiate with terrorists, which is exactly what they are.

[vacuum]

If he does not get the nomination, I'm concerned that a 3rd party effort would simply have the effect of re-electing Obama.

I know there's a lot of hating for Romney going on in GSUS, but how do you feel about Romney versus Obama? If it's not Ron Paul, do you think the Romney-Obama choice becomes irrelevant?

My view is that if we go more toward a crisis situation during 2012-2016, Obama will do much more long term damage than will Romney, because he'll be given more executive power to advance his socialist agenda. Romney has his weaknesses for sure, but between those two, who do you want to be in charge during a crisis?
If Ron Paul doesn't win, I think I'd like to see Obama get elected for a second term. By now he's already hated by everyone, and he can't get anything through congress. So the amount of damage he can do is limited. Once someone new is elected they get a bunch of crap though before people start hating them too.

[DMac]

I just think Obama is far more of a socialist/facist. Of everything on your list, he's far more emphatically "pro" than Romney. Do we want Obama Light, or Obama Ultra?

They are both Dick Cheney lite, as far as I am concerned.

[LuckyStrike]

I just think Obama is far more of a socialist/facist. Of everything on your list, he's far more emphatically "pro" than Romney. Do we want Obama Light, or Obama Ultra?

I understand where you are coming from, but there are many facets to look at. For example, would the tea party exist if McCain had been elected? Hell no. Would gun sales have shot up? Hell no. Would people be paying attention to the marxist legislation coming down from the top? Hell no.

So if McCain had won people would largely let these marxist policies slide. Either they are liberals (marxists) and are fine with growing government or they are Republicans and are fine with a Republican steering the ship regardless of what he does. On the other had because Obama won the Republicans at least are somewhat aware of the stuff that is going on and somehow remember that they do not want this person running their lives.

So as far as that goes I think we are better with obama. As for a 2nd term I am more concerned, he wouldn't be running for reelection and his popularity would be secondary so he may let the executive orders fly.

I am way more concerned about his 2nd term than his 1st, but I will not let fear change my morals. As LT eloquently pointed out, the Repubs needs to realize we are a force, they cannot continue down the path of marxism and expect us to go along.

[Buddha]

Ron Paul or not at all. It's like we are telling an alcoholic that he has 3 choices, whiskey, vodka, or detox. I wont vote for another drink.

[mick silver]

ron paul is the only person i can vote for . if i was to vote for anyone else it would be voting for the same shit we already have . it time for change

[reststop]

Since posting a passing comment on my Facebook fan page about Ron Paul, I have been inundated with questions and concerns about my support of the Texas Congressman in the current Republican Primary race. In one of my many political posts (frequently, I post videos, news articles, etc., in an effort to show the importance and influence of worldview), I simply stated that I voted for Dr. Paul in the last election, and planned to vote for him again.

the rest here, http://http://www.gracefamilybaptist.net/voddie-baucham-ministries/blog/why-ron-paul-2012-01/ (http://www.gracefamilybaptist.net/voddie-baucham-ministries/blog/why-ron-paul-2012-01/)

While this comes from a religious backed perspective, I think it is well written and deserves to be passed on. I think is portrays how many feel about Ron Paul whether church based or not.

rest

[mamboni]

If Ron Paul is not our next POTUS it's over for this republic, over. This election is for all the marbles folks. The DNC and GOP are arms of the same power elite. This Repugnicant vs Demoncrat show is controlled opposition period. Whether it be Obama, Romney, Gingrich or Sanctorum, it does not matter because the power elite own them all. But Ron Paul is not a member of the private power club, is not bought and paid for, and is not corruptable. "Anybody but Ron Paul" is the real unspoken campaign slogan of the power elite that controls the MSM, the candidates, the two parties and Congress.

Bob Chapman says Iowa and New Hampshire were fixed and Ron Paul won the popular vote. He says he has sources. I believe him. I believe in Ron Paul. Millions of Americans believe in Ron Paul and his message. The power elite are scared and nervous, becuase they are intent on stealing this election no matter what and hope the people don't figure it out. Because if they do, there will be hell to pay.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I wrote Ron Paul in in 2008 and I will do so again in 2012. Things are too far gone to keep refusing to address our systemic problems - our debt has entered exponential growth stages.

[NOOB]

I understand where you are coming from, but there are many facets to look at. For example, would the tea party exist if McCain had been elected? Hell no. Would gun sales have shot up? Hell no. Would people be paying attention to the marxist legislation coming down from the top? Hell no.

So if McCain had won people would largely let these marxist policies slide. Either they are liberals (marxists) and are fine with growing government or they are Republicans and are fine with a Republican steering the ship regardless of what he does. On the other had because Obama won the Republicans at least are somewhat aware of the stuff that is going on and somehow remember that they do not want this person running their lives.

So as far as that goes I think we are better with obama. As for a 2nd term I am more concerned, he wouldn't be running for reelection and his popularity would be secondary so he may let the executive orders fly.

I am way more concerned about his 2nd term than his 1st, but I will not let fear change my morals. As LT eloquently pointed out, the Repubs needs to realize we are a force, they cannot continue down the path of marxism and expect us to go along.


I have told people the same things. I explained it to a friend of mine the other day. If you went into a coma just before the 08 election, you woke up today and I told you we surged troops in afghanistan, attacked Libya, reinstated the patriot act etc. Guess who is president?

They are all the same.

[k-os]

I'm done voting for the lesser of two evils. Ron Paul, or NOT AT ALL! I'll write him in again, and I will vote in my state and local elections as I see fit.

[LuckyStrike]

I have told people the same things. I explained it to a friend of mine the other day. If you went into a coma just before the 08 election, you woke up today and I told you we surged troops in afghanistan, attacked Libya, reinstated the patriot act etc. Guess who is president?

They are all the same.

Very good way of getting the point across I am going to have to use it. (also add, continued drone strikes in pakistan)

[LuckyStrike]

the rest here, http://http://www.gracefamilybaptist.net/voddie-baucham-ministries/blog/why-ron-paul-2012-01/ (http://www.gracefamilybaptist.net/voddie-baucham-ministries/blog/why-ron-paul-2012-01/)

While this comes from a religious backed perspective, I think it is well written and deserves to be passed on. I think is portrays how many feel about Ron Paul whether church based or not.

rest

Very good article, although of course the author doesn't understand the Israel deal, but good nonetheless. (Can't give the judeos all the red meat up front)

I was surprised to see he was black, reminds me of Pastor Manning (I think was his name) who called Obama the "long legged mack daddy" Glad to see there are descent blacks out there.

[Book]

If Ron Paul is not our next POTUS it's over for this republic, over.




http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/bloggers_auto/ron_paul_reuters.jpg
"OH SHIT. I'M NOW PRESIDENT. NOW WHAT CAN I DO?"




76 years old.

Entire Congress still corrupt and the tool of AIPAC as always.

Same hostile Jews still controlling all Media, Banking, and Courts.

Euro still gonna collapse.

USA still bankrupt and gonna collapse.


::) what can one old honorable man really DO?

[EE_]

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::) what can one old honorable man really DO?


Oh I don't know?....rat all the government criminals out and give their names, on national live TV?
I bet he could blert out a lot of truth in 60 seconds, before transmission is cut.
Would that change anything?

[Book]

Oh I don't know?....rat all the government criminals out and give their names, on national live TV? I bet he could blurt out a lot of truth in 60 seconds, before transmission is cut. Would that change anything?



That's exactly my point. One old honorable man totally alone surrounded by evil. He won't be able to even find enough honest people to staff his White House, let alone his Administration. AIPAC-controlled congress won't pass one single Bill that President Paul proposes.

[Cebu_4_2]

He doesn't need to propose shit, all he has to do is nuke the executive orders for the past 100 years or so.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

If he repeals every unconstitutional executive order, he will have done more than the last 5 presidents combined.









76 years old.

Entire Congress still corrupt and the tool of AIPAC as always.

Same hostile Jews still controlling all Media, Banking, and Courts.

Euro still gonna collapse.

USA still bankrupt and gonna collapse.


::) what can one old honorable man really DO?

[/CENTER]

[mightymanx]

I know there's a lot of hating for Romney going on in GSUS, but how do you feel about Romney versus Obama?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZtiJN6yiik


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZtiJN6yiik




There is a difference between them?

[jimswift]

He doesn't need to propose shit, all he has to do is nuke the executive orders for the past 100 years or so.


I think this is one of the biggest threats they fear.

[LuckyStrike]

AIPAC-controlled congress won't pass one single Bill that President Paul proposes.


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And he would veto every bill that AIPAC controlled congress proposes. At worst it would just be a stalemate but better than a pedal to the metal rush into marxism like we have had for the last century.

[FreeEnergy]

http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/bloggers_auto/ron_paul_reuters.jpg
"OH SHIT. I'M NOW PRESIDENT. NOW WHAT CAN I DO?"


76 years old.

Entire Congress still corrupt and the tool of AIPAC as always.

Same hostile Jews still controlling all Media, Banking, and Courts.

Euro still gonna collapse.

USA still bankrupt and gonna collapse.

what can one old honorable man really DO?



Nice for you Book to have that picture from JEWISH JOURNAL. Are you reading any?

SO what can Ron Paul do? Here's an A-B-C:
1) Sign an Executive Order to take Over "federal" "reserve". All power to coin money should lie with congress, power to coin money is NON-TRANSFERABLE
2) Ask to ammend constitution to make power to coin money non-transferable to a private entity (private bank).
3) Sign an executive order to make all federal "DEBT" and various "service fees" and "insurances" around it to "federal" "reserve" null and void as being part of a fraud. that'll eliminate 2/3 of US debt in a stroke of a pen.+
4) sign an executive order saying that EVERY BANK on US soil must be yearly certified to be able to do business on US soil. qualifications for certification would be PAYING US TAX. offshore or don't pay US tax - go back to your offshore haven.

I can go on. It is quite easy when you put your mind to it.

[iOWNme]

That's exactly my point. One old honorable man totally alone surrounded by evil. He won't be able to even find enough honest people to staff his White House, let alone his Administration. AIPAC-controlled congress won't pass one single Bill that President Paul proposes.




Electing RP is making a crucial valid point to the Elite that run this country.

RP is a symbol for liberty and freedom, but he is not liberty and freedom. Do you know the difference?

[Libertytree]

Electing RP is making a crucial valid point to the Elite that run this country.

RP is a symbol for liberty and freedom, but he is not liberty and freedom. Do you know the difference?

RP is just a messenger, the message is far greater than the man. RP knows this.

[Sparky]

I flipped on the TV and O'Reilly was on. He just made reference to "the three remaining Republican candidates for the nomination".

Sigh.

[Stop Making Cents]

I don't want my kids to see a black President, it's just too disgraceful. They get enough anti-white propoganda on a daily basis from school, the government, and the media.

So i have no choice but to vote against the ape.

[Sparky]

Gingrich and Paul were making gestures about an "alliance" tonight, it seemed only half-jokingly, when suggested by Brian Williams.

Would you vote for Ron Paul as a vice presidential candidate on a Republican ticket?

[Buddha]

Gingrich and Paul were making gestures about an "alliance" tonight, it seemed only half-jokingly, when suggested by Brian Williams.

Would you vote for Ron Paul as a vice presidential candidate on a Republican ticket?

Nope. Talk about being a lame duck.

[woodman]

Gingrich and Paul were making gestures about an "alliance" tonight, it seemed only half-jokingly, when suggested by Brian Williams.

Would you vote for Ron Paul as a vice presidential candidate on a Republican ticket?

It would be the first time in history a vice-president got assassinated and they left the president alone. I would vote for Ron Paul for president and nothing else unless his running mate held to the same principles RP does. Those who vote for the lesser of two evils are still voting for evil. I haven't participated in the voting game in years btw. I feel the system is beyond redemption and I'm a single man fighting a crowd of morons. I am absolutely amazed RP is doing as well as he is. I don't expect 'they' will allow him to win though. If the people of this country start showing signs of waking up then I might rejoin the system, but at this point I will not lend it credence by participating.

[mamboni]

I don't want my kids to see a black President, it's just too disgraceful. They get enough anti-white propoganda on a daily basis from school, the government, and the media.

So i have no choice but to vote against the ape.

How much is the ADL paying per posting by agent provocateurs these days?

[k-os]

I received a text from a friend yesterday asking "Who are you going to vote for?" She always asks my opinion, because she knows that I follow politics. (She just wants the Cliff Notes version.) I said very simply "Ron Paul or Not at ALL. I am done voting for the lesser of two evils."

Regarding State and Local elections, my advice to her has been - "Unless you have done research and feel strongly about a candidate, do not vote for the incumbent. When undecided on the other options - vote for the least familiar name". We all know who owns the media.

She wrote in Ron Paul in the last election, and I am positive that her parents still give her grief over "wasting" her vote (and thereby giving a vote to 0).

[JDRock]

How much is the ADL paying per posting by agent provocateurs these days?
only a fly swatter has been needed lately....im missing a good scrum! Send us your best super shill....we'll send him back, tagged and bagged.

[LuckyStrike]

Gingrich and Paul were making gestures about an "alliance" tonight, it seemed only half-jokingly, when suggested by Brian Williams.

Would you vote for Ron Paul as a vice presidential candidate on a Republican ticket?

Dr. Paul is far to kind to respond to the question of "would you endorse gingrich" with "hell no, this big government elitist neo con bastard has played no small part in the bankrupting of this country financially and an endorsement of this kind flies in the face of everything I have ever stood for"

So don't take his kind gentlemans answer as "half joking"


Dr. Paul said when asked that he would not even accept the offer in 08 if McAmnesty asked him to be VP and since these other 3 running are just like McAmnesty I would have to imagine his answer remains the same.

But purely based on fantasy, I would not vote for any of these 3 with RP as a VP. If he ever was asked to be VP it would be nothing but a token in order to get the principled RP supporters to stay in the GOP come the general. But as long as the GOP continues putting up absolute marxist scum like these other 3, they can lose every election until the end of time as far as I care.

[Sparky]

...
Regarding State and Local elections, my advice to her has been - "Unless you have done research and feel strongly about a candidate, do not vote for the incumbent.
...

This is exactly right. Everyone who complains about government should learn and abide by this simple rule.