Interesting conversation with a coworker about RP and Israel

[k-os]

After conversing about work for a while on AIM, my coworker began talking about the Republican debate of the night before, guessing (as he knows me) that I watched it.

To follow is the conversation we had. Other than the remarks in parenthesis, it's the exact text. Keep in mind, I am a contractor, so I really have to keep my relationships good at the company that writes a check to me each month. Meaning, there was a lot I wanted to say, but couldn't, because I didn't have an elegant way to put it.

Perhaps some of you could provide a gentle way to respond to him if I have the chance . . . and I welcome the snarky responses too! >:D

What's interesting, is that this is the man who got me into gold in the first place, and because of that I found GIM (RIP), and GSUS too!


HIM:
I loved Newt's answers last night
I was cheering

ME:
oh no
I am RP all the way

HIM:
Not sure I want him (RP)
But...I love almost everything he says

ME:
why wouldn't you want him if you love almost everything he says?

HIM:
I love his constitutionalism. I just don't like his foreign policy

ME:
you don't want to get out of the wars?

HIM:
I don't want to leave Israel alone

ME:
why?

HIM:
I love them

ME:
why?

HIM:
They're the chosen people

ME:
you really think so?

HIM:
I do

ME:
wow, that's interesting. so it's biblical for you?

HIM:
It is. I believe in the Bible. I would die for any Jew.

ME:
whoa! that's a strong statement. how about Jason? (former worse than useless coworker)

HIM:
Even Jason

ME:
holy crap, that amazes me.

HIM:
If I saw someone trying to take his freedom or rights away.
Didn't we learn the last time?
First they came for Paul . . .
I said nothing
Then they came for Peter . . .
Again, I said nothing
Then they came for me . . .
Nobody left to say anything for me

ME:
OK I understand that, but it only applies to Jews?

HIM:
They've been persecuted beyond belief. They've paid their dues.

ME:
well, this has been enlightening.
I didn't quite know how to end the conversation, but that's how I ended it. It was earnest . . . I learned something about him that I never knew. I have never known him to be religious, go to church, or read the bible. (I understand that religion is a taboo subject, but we often talked about politics, one of the other taboo subjects.) But now I know that he is a Zionist. Correct?

[osoab]

But now I know that he is a Zionist. Correct?


Delusional is the term that comes to mind.

[dys]

It's interesting, I've talked to quite a few people recently that won't vote for Paul because of his foreign policy. Now I wouldn't vote for him, either...but my reasoning has nothing to do with foreign policy. Most people have been taught since birth that Israel=good, and they believe it (despite knowing next to nothing about Israel). Fascinating.

dys

[BrewTech]

"Foreign policy" (i.e. Israel) is the most common problem people that I talk to have with RP, specifically the military. Granted, the mil I'm talking about retire in 1-2 years, which I think makes the difference. They want as much money available as possible to make sure their cushy pensions get paid, perhaps? Maybe I'm being too cynical. The folks I'm talking about are actually good friends to me. Maybe they've just been in so long they can't see how things have changed... the newly enlisted may realize the contract they just signed ain't what they thought it was...

[k-os]

It's interesting, I've talked to quite a few people recently that won't vote for Paul because of his foreign policy. Now I wouldn't vote for him, either...but my reasoning has nothing to do with foreign policy. Most people have been taught since birth that Israel=good, and they believe it (despite knowing next to nothing about Israel). Fascinating.

dys

Why won't you vote for Ron Paul?

I go to church once a year, on Easter, with my family and extended family (sisters' in laws). I went to church/mass more when I was on The Mystery Tour! Before the tour, I occasionally go to church with my neighbor, as well. What I have found interesting in the past 3-4 years is the amount of hymns that are sung that contain the root word "Zion" or "Isreal". When I was a kid, I wasn't paying attention to the amount of times "Zion" was mentioned in a hymn, but I am paying attention now, and it amazes me. I don't even think most of the people know what it means. I imagine they think it means it's a heaven or halcyon.

Sorry, that was probably off topic, but it's something I think about.

[letter_factory]

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2010/02/double-facepalm.jpg

[Eyebone]

I would avoid talking to him about anything except the weather.

When it comes down to it he cannot be trusted to put your interests above izreals.

If he sees something he will say something.

[EE_]

OMG, that there is a lost cause. Back away form that one!

I recieved a email from a family member today on how wonderful the Jews are.
I was not so diplomatic with my reply and sent a whole history of their evil doings.


ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ

Please take a few minutes to read the entire email then pass it on.

The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer
Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper
on Jan. 15, 2008.


It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the
rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world.

REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER, Date: Tue. 15
January 2008 14:30

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez
I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a
terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz .....

We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims.

In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent.

We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced
great and wonderful people who changed the world.


The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science,
art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the
world.


These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove
to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened
our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance,
religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to
an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities
into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they
plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical
hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for
backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and
their talent for a better future for their children, their determined
clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people
consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our
children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe .
***********************************

A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they
imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to
themselves.

Absolutely No Profiling! Pause a moment, reflect back, and take the
following multiple choice test.

These events are actual events from history. They really happened! Do
you remember?

HERE'S THE TEST

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying
to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as
missiles to take out the World Trade Centres and of the remaining two,
one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and

crashed by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. And now we can add: In 2009, 31 people wounded and 13 American Soldiers
murdered on base at Fort Hood by a Major that was known as...
a: You guessed it - A Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40.

No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?
So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics
intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to
profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of
80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification,

secret agents who are members of the President's security detail,

85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner

and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between

the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
________________________________


The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They
have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics:
(zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is
FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have
received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino


TOTAL: 129!


The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military
training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause
maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.

The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics,

or blow themselves up in German restaurants.
There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church.

There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.
The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and
death to all the Infidels. Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider
investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for
all their problems.
Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand
that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the
Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more
culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ."
Benjamin Netanyahu

General Eisenhower Warned Us It is a matter of history that when the
Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower,
found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken,
and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered
through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on
record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere
down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that
this never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its
school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which
claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a
frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how
easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.
This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6
million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Chris tians, and 1,900
Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten,

experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust
to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the
memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center
'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ?


Sunset tonight
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[letter_factory]

Why won't you vote for Ron Paul?

I go to church once a year, on Easter, with my family and extended family (sisters' in laws). I went to church/mass more when I was on The Mystery Tour! Before the tour, I occasionally go to church with my neighbor, as well. What I have found interesting in the past 3-4 years is the amount of hymns that are sung that contain the root word "Zion" or "Isreal". When I was a kid, I wasn't paying attention to the amount of times "Zion" was mentioned in a hymn, but I am paying attention now, and it amazes me. I don't even think most of the people know what it means. I imagine they think it means it's a heaven or halcyon.

Sorry, that was probably off topic, but it's something I think about.

christian evangelicals have been infiltrated by zionism. watch the christian broadcasting network and shows like the 700 club. all they talk about is israel, giving money to israel, worshiping israel, israelis are the chosen. disgusting pieces of filth.

[BrewTech]

I would avoid talking to him about anything except the weather.

When it comes down to it he cannot be trusted to put your interests above izreals.

If he sees something he will say something.

Yes, probably good advice.

[dys]

I think the propoganda campaigns pertaining to our various fake enemies have been very effective. The 'crazy people' need to be dealt with. We will bring their war to them. They hate us for our (nonexistent) freedoms. America the beautiful. Families are always rising and falling in America. The American Dream. People in other countries live on less than 1$/day.

dys

[dys]

Why won't you vote for Ron Paul?

I go to church once a year, on Easter, with my family and extended family (sisters' in laws). I went to church/mass more when I was on The Mystery Tour! Before the tour, I occasionally go to church with my neighbor, as well. What I have found interesting in the past 3-4 years is the amount of hymns that are sung that contain the root word "Zion" or "Isreal". When I was a kid, I wasn't paying attention to the amount of times "Zion" was mentioned in a hymn, but I am paying attention now, and it amazes me. I don't even think most of the people know what it means. I imagine they think it means it's a heaven or halcyon.

Sorry, that was probably off topic, but it's something I think about.

The words Israel and the word Zion are all over the place in the entertainment industry as well. This goes back a very long time. The reason that I won't vote for Ron Paul is that I believe that he is controlled opposition, and a mason. I hate to sound cynical, but I've come to believe that political solutions (especially concerning specific political candidates) are impossible in today's world.

dys

[MAGNES]

I go to church once a year, on Easter, with my family and extended family (sisters' in laws). I went to church/mass more when I was on The Mystery Tour! Before the tour, I occasionally go to church with my neighbor, as well. What I have found interesting in the past 3-4 years is the amount of hymns that are sung that contain the root word "Zion" or "Isreal". When I was a kid, I wasn't paying attention to the amount of times "Zion" was mentioned in a hymn, but I am paying attention now, and it amazes me. I don't even think most of the people know what it means. I imagine they think it means it's a heaven or halcyon.


Wow Kos, normally I don't respond to threads like this.
I will tell you how many times "sion" is mentioned in a
Greek Orthodox Church, never heard it ever in my life.
I heard an anti NWO anti Jew speech once, without mentioning
either by name, just their MO and propaganda, that was in
Greece where Priest was reading high level message to masses,
every Church service in Greece heard it that day one Sunday.
You must belong to some Evangelical or Protestant related
Church. I went to one of those for Sunday school, lol .

You are playing with fire getting into topics like that with co workers.
Don't be naive, even a friendly remark to one of your friends making
it to the right person innocently and you could be dealing with back
stabbers that will never show their true face to you. Seems to me
you are dealing with highly propagandized person, maybe crypto Jew,
or someone in the family is.


The words Israel and the word Zion are all over the place in the entertainment industry as well. This goes back a very long time. The reason that I won't vote for Ron Paul is that I believe that he is controlled opposition, and a mason. I hate to sound cynical, but I've come to believe that political solutions (especially concerning specific political candidates) are impossible in today's world.

dys

This does not surprise me about you. Don't go soft on me dys. LOL !

I read you on here as some sort of Evangelical Protestant, you attacked
everyone, the Orthodox, Russians, Catholics, you don't like what I post,
everyone that matters is a " mason " according to you, a smear, meanwhile
your buddies on here call Jesus " a mason " and you are silent, even as they
post other Occult shit on here. And I know you saw that. And you are silent.

Ron Paul, reason dictates he is the only solution or better than anyone else.
He sets hight standards and is an educator even if he is not elected. His work
will not end with him. This is reality.

[ximmy]

A believing christian should know that there are no jews... (Rev. 2:9)
---
The Apostle Paul said there are no longer any Jews, so those that are or say they are, are all liars... corrupt, bankrupt in faith, unfavored, killed their own Christ.

Christ is all and in all.
(Gal. 3:28 There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female

(Col. 3:11) Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all.

Everyone is the "chosen race" now...
(1 Pet.2 :9-10) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

The "Former' Jew is no longer regarded as the chosen, they have been rejected.
(Acts 28:27-28 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them. “Therefore I want you to know that God’s salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!”

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?46922-I-m-at-a-turning-point&p=394360&viewfull=1#post394360

[General of Darkness]

K give that guy my cellphone number and let me straighten his zionist ass out.

[k-os]

Wow Kos, normally I don't respond to threads like this.
I will tell you how many times "sion" is mentioned in a
Greek Orthodox Church, never heard it ever in my life.
I heard an anti NWO anti Jew speech once, without mentioning
either by name, just their MO and propaganda, that was in
Greece where Priest was reading high level message to masses,
every Church service in Greece heard it that day one Sunday.
You must belong to some Evangelical or Protestant related
Church. I went to one of those for Sunday school, lol .


I don't belong to a church, but the one we go to for Easter is Presbyterian, and my neighbor and I went "church hopping", where we visited all kinds of different churches. I was raised Baptist. Scary stuff, there. I have even been to a Greek Orthodox wedding, and at the risk of offending you . . . I found the rituals . . . unsettling. (I don't like the rituals.) The churches I went to on the road were mostly Catholic, and a couple of Latter Day Saints - lots of "Zion" talk there, but their Zion is in Utah, I think.



You are playing with fire getting into topics like that with co workers.
Don't be naive, even a friendly remark to one of your friends making
it to the right person innocently and you could be dealing with back
stabbers that will never show their true face to you. Seems to me
you are dealing with highly propagandized person, maybe crypto Jew,
or someone in the family is.


I agree with you, mostly. I've known him for almost a decade. He's most certainly Irish. Beyond that I don't know. He's a decent guy in most ways, not a saint, but certainly not a waste of flesh. I'd like to think that he just doesn't know the facts.

[LuckyStrike]

I wouldn't give this guy a passing thought.

In my experience I can only explain some peoples delusions to be super natural and no amount of debating, logic or facts can sway their mind. It is my opinion that this is discussed in 2 Thessalonians 2

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


The lie of course is that the people known as jews today are the descendants of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel. They are not the descendants. This is not my opinion this is scriptural fact since they fulfill none of the prophecies concerning Israel. The Truth of the matter is the White Anglo Saxon Celtic and Caucasian people are the descendants of Jacob, the 12 Tribes. People can believe that's crazy, to far out, there is a time when I believed it to be too. But several years in (for me) it has stood up to rigorous study and debate.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?26637-50-Bible-Reasons-Why-The-Jews-Are-Not-Israel


I don't beat people over the head with it, although upon learning this I feel compelled to shout it from the roof tops, but ultimately it isn't me who changes a mind and the message isn't for everyone.

As Jesus said

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me"

[MAGNES]

I have even been to a Greek Orthodox wedding, and at the risk of offending you . . . I found the rituals . . . unsettling.

A Greek wedding is all ritual/custom not just at Church. Why would it offend me ?
It is very different than Protestant churches which are usually much simpler in everything.
Greek weddings are fun, I hope they invited you to the banquet to fatten you up and get
you drunk, lol , do some crazy dancing, did they translate the service in English, lol, that
would freak out a lot of people, " obey your husband " , lol, when they go to the banquet
they do the break the bread tradition, it is a very big loaf of special baked bread, and
whoever gets the bigger piece officially wears the pants in the family. Many times the Priest
that married them is at the banquet to see this, lol. There is lots of varied old rituals/customs.
Baptism is something else too, I don't agree with all of it, but this has been handed down,
Satan is denounced openly. At Church you hear a lot about family, honor your father,
mother, family. It is very different than other services at other denominations.

[vacuum]

k-os, what did you think about zionism before becoming a member of GIM?

[Libertytree]

It's interesting, I've talked to quite a few people recently that won't vote for Paul because of his foreign policy. Now I wouldn't vote for him, either...but my reasoning has nothing to do with foreign policy. Most people have been taught since birth that Israel=good, and they believe it (despite knowing next to nothing about Israel). Fascinating.

dys

Dys, Do you mean you won't vote for RP or are you planning to vote for someone else? Or do you plan on not voting at all?

[k-os]

k-os, what did you think about zionism before becoming a member of GIM?

I don't believe I ever knew what it was. I know I wasn't paying attention.

[hoarder]

Don't risk your job. Wait a couple months and anonymously mail him a printout of this:


http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/50reasons.html

[MAGNES]

I don't believe I ever knew what it was. I know I wasn't paying attention.

I had no idea what Zionism was until last few years.
Before that I thought I knew " zionism " with the NeoCons. lol
Before that I thought I knew " zionism " watching some crazy
movie on the Apocalypse, who knew it had a huge base in US.
Before that I read about " zionism " re the Palestinians.
Before that I read about Sion, not the OT or Matrix movie reference. ;D

So what is Zionism, they are coming for you, that is what it is.

Some Russians knew and predicted it and could not stop it.

If they knew they could get away with it they would do it again.

That's their plan, that is what Zionism is.

You can't separate Zionism and the Protocols, Mason Occult Lucy Lovers.

The Supreme Court of Israel is a Masonic Rothchild as God Temple,
as one proof, built right beside the hill where Jesus Christ was crucified.

I wouldn't advise discussing this with any sheeple, they bite.

This is my 33 33 post, >:D .

[Buddha]

It doesn't sound like there is really anything that you can do. He's been brain washed and I consider his outlook dangerous. Try too hard to persuade him/confront him with enough facts, and he'll send you up the river before he ever changes one iota.

[mightymanx]

"Foreign policy" (i.e. Israel) is the most common problem people that I talk to have with RP, specifically the military. Granted, the mil I'm talking about retire in 1-2 years, which I think makes the difference. They want as much money available as possible to make sure their cushy pensions get paid, perhaps? Maybe I'm being too cynical. The folks I'm talking about are actually good friends to me. Maybe they've just been in so long they can't see how things have changed... the newly enlisted may realize the contract they just signed ain't what they thought it was...


????? The active duty military has supported Ron paul more than all the other canidates including Obama combigned. I was active duty 5 months ago till I retired, I am not worried about Paul cutting the pension He rembers folly that led to the bonus army.

[mightymanx]

K-os look at it this way, at least we know one of the inside agents when the time comes.

[Olmstein]

christian evangelicals have been infiltrated by zionism. watch the christian broadcasting network and shows like the 700 club. all they talk about is israel, giving money to israel, worshiping israel, israelis are the chosen. disgusting pieces of filth.

Maybe the entire Christian religion was created by Jews to control the gentiles.

I'm no biblical scholar, but weren't Jesus and all his disciples Jewish?

[PatColo]

The next day Neo starts his training. Tank is his operator. Tank and his brother Dozer are "100% pure old-fashioned, homegrown human. Born in the real world; a genuine child of Zion." Zion, Tank explains, is the last human city, buried deep in the earth, near the core, for warmth.
[...]
Smith says he wants access codes to the mainframe in Zion. Cypher says he can't do that, but that he can get him the man who does, meaning Morpheus.
[...]
Back on the hovercraft the shuddering form of Morpheus betrays the torture he's being put through by the Agents in the Matrix. Tank realizes that they're trying to get the codes to the mainframes of Zion's computers; each ship's captain knows them. Because a breach of Zion's defenses would mean that the last remaining vestiges of mankind would be wiped out, Tank says their only choice is to unplug Morpheus, effectively killing him.
[...]
Smith removes his earphone and his glasses and confides that he hates the Matrix, "this zoo, this prison." Smith admits that he must get out of this "reality." He hates the stench. He's sure that some element of the humans will rub off on him and that Morpheus holds the key to his release. If there is no Zion there's no need for Smith to be in the Matrix. "You are going to tell me, or you are going to die."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/synopsis

[Large Sarge]

you cannot really argue religion....

you could point out the whole schofield(sp?) bible thing, and how the jews rewrote large parts of it...

but from what I have seen, most folks are not to interested in the truth, especially concerning religion.... lol

you get into a religous debate, and you get the invariable "you do not have eough faith" to settle most arguments

or the classic "it's in the bible"

etc

someone above advised "tread lightly, talk about the weather"

probably a good idea...

zionist zealots

[LuckyStrike]

Maybe the entire Christian religion was created by Jews to control the gentiles.

I'm no biblical scholar, but weren't Jesus and all his disciples Jewish?

No see (and study) my post.

That being said they have certainly hijacked Christianity, toned it down, twisted for their own agenda creating "judeo Christianity" whatever that is.

[dys]

Dys, Do you mean you won't vote for RP or are you planning to vote for someone else? Or do you plan on not voting at all?

I won't be voting at all. I wouldn't vote for any of the other candidates for dog catcher.

dys

[Tumbleweed]

Maybe the entire Christian religion was created by Jews to control the gentiles.

I'm no biblical scholar, but weren't Jesus and all his disciples Jewish?


Olmstein go to this link and read to answer your question about Jesus being a Jew.


http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

[DMac]

Wow, there is a lot going on in this thread.

I guess I will just say that I am lucky. I have coworkers that ask me for links and references to research cryptos. Others that look for good ways to help convince their friend/family circles on why they need to exit the banking system via metals.

2 or 3 routinely send me links about Palestine.

It's a crazy world indeed.

K-os, I feel for you - that guy's brain is so washed in Zio-propaganda I wouldn't know where to begin. Maybe I'd start with asking him why he is a Jewish-centric racist? We all know racism is bad, right? ;)

[EE_]

Olmstein go to this link and read to answer your question about Jesus being a Jew.


http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

I sent that off to a Judea indoctrinated family member. ;)

[mick silver]

This Land Is Mine .... find courage to open defy

[mamboni]

So by your friend's logic, a Jew gets a free pass no matter what, for all the suffering of past Jews, by virtue of being born a Jew. I think this is known as "privilege." It is a blatant contradiction of the ideal of equality that Americans claim makes us special.

In America, we are told that "separation of Church and State" is paramount; otherwise the ADL, ACLU and other Jewish front groups will demand it, sue for it and moan about it. But, according to your friend, it's OK for American foreign policy towards Israel to be justified by biblical teachings?

[Sparky]

I'm trying to understand if anti-Zion (in GSUS discussion) means anti-bible. Maybe we need a definition of Zionism in this thread, so that we are all talking about the same thing. If you look it up, there are multiple definitions. One of them is a relatively contemporary late 19th Century) Jewish movement. Is that what we're talking about? Zionism (of some type) is certainly a central theme of the bible, rooted in the Old Testament and referenced in the New Testament. But as ximmy points out, perhaps the definition shifted as Christianity evolved, particularly as Paul extended Christianity to Gentiles after its original rejection by the Jews.

As a minimum, my interpretation is that the original Zion in the bible is a reference linked to an Israel people (for whom we also seem to have a vague definition here), wherein that group (however it is defined) was at some point specifically linked as a building block of God's plan for humanity, and therefore cited as "chosen". Now perhaps from that original link, the lineage and connectivity have become ill-defined, but clearly it is an important biblical theme worthy of understanding.

So does anti-Zion mean anti-bible? Or do we need a more clarity in our terminology?

[JDRock]

how about, " hey , if you like gingrich, why did he call for the ELIMINATION of the constitution ?" ( he wrote a foreward in alvin tofflers book in the '80s)
i would say, so, your a CONSERVATIVE that wants the elimination of the us and the institution of 1 world government?? and Yes, tofflers a jew.

[Awoke]

OMG, that there is a lost cause. Back away form that one!

I recieved a email from a family member today on how wonderful the Jews are.
I was not so diplomatic with my reply and sent a whole history of their evil doings.


ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ

Please take a few minutes to read the entire email then pass it on.

The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer
Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper
on Jan. 15, 2008.




We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims.



I stopped reading right there. Jew loving, muslim hating propaganda.

The next line, asserting that all culture, thought, creativity and talent sprang from the Khazarian imposters is an insult.

[Awoke]

Olmstein go to this link and read to answer your question about Jesus being a Jew.


http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_9.html

Or to give you the readers digest version:
No.

The Holy Spirit was his Father. (True God)
Joseph was his "foster father" and from the lines of David (True Israelite)
Mary was his biological mother and from the lines of David (True Israelite)

The "Jews" are a fictional character.
"Jew" is a label that satanic imposters have implemented and used as a translation to decieve. The word "Jew" does not represent the true Israelites: Those who can trace their lineage back to the original and true 12 tribes of Israel.
You can learn about this in high detail at the link Tumbleweed posted, which is critical reading for anyone researching the global conspiracy,whether they are Christian or not.


They use the false translation/invented word "Jew" to encompass a groups of people that are not jewish.



A good example of this tactic would be as if people who live in South America started calling themselves "Americans" in the context that we understand it. Ecuadorians, for example.

So it's like having a group Ecuadorians suddenly claiming to be Americans. They are running around the entire globe, claiming to be true Americans. They change text books, history books, take over media, all business, the banking industry, mafias, government, food management services, etc, in the name of America. Any real "Americans" (You) get systematically wiped out through various pogroms and covert operations/.gov epidemics for hundreds of years in hundreds of ways.

The "campaign for Americans" starts up, and anyone who is against the Ecuadorians taking over the globe is deemed anti-American, and laws are fabricated to jail them, etc. It becomes a "Hate crime" to speak anything Anti-American. Soon, when people think of an "American" they think of Ecuadorians.
(but of course they don't know that)



The takeover of the globe by the Ecuadorians is called "Americanism" and all sheep (people that fail to learn from history) are tricked into thinking that people that look like this are "Americans":

http://www.south-images.com/ecuador/ecuador-8514.jpg

All movie stars and celebrities and a large majority of news anchors look like them too.

Then, the Ecuadorians profess that they are the Chosen race that were written about in the bible, and move to take over a piece of land that is biblically and spiritually holy, even though they are Ba'al worshipping satanists. To do this, they put Ecuadorians in high political places all over the globe and incite wars, manipulate countries into supporting them, and teach all our children to feel sorry for the "Americans" with all their heart.

Generations grow up thinking that they should be willing to die for an American, and that they should support Americans no matter what the cost or cause, with no question.

So the Ecuadorians proceed to wipe out man, woman and child of a race that is deemed something else we will call "Ameristinians" (You and the real Anglo Americans). They systematically enclose the Ameristinians in an area and torture, bomb, starve, abuse, neglect and kill them.

But because history has been so corrupted for so many generations by the Ecuadorian imposters calling themselves "Americans", the people of the world hate on the Ameristinians (You) and support the Americans in the genocide of the Ameristinians.

Even though they are in actuality Ecuadorians.
Of course once you know, you can tell by looking at them.
(Same as the khazarian satanists.)


Not only that, but the history books have been misconstrued in so many ways, for so long, that only a seriously devout researcher can uncover traces of evidence that show the truth:
That the Ameristinians are actually Anglo-Americans, and that the Ecuadorians are not Americans at all, but imposters.

[/fictional example]

[EE_]

I stopped reading right there. Jew loving, muslim hating propaganda.

The next line, asserting that all culture, thought, creativity and talent sprang from the Khazarian imposters is an insult.

See what I'm up against? The indoctrination from school and church has a very strong hold on many individuals and you will have a hard time changing their minds.
The only reason I even bother is because of the family connection. Otherwise I wouldn't try.
I have to keep starting from scratch with this family member. Holodormer, Armenian genocide, USS Liberty, The Jews that really ran the Italian Mafia, the Russian Mafia, etc. etc. on and on and on.

[Horn]

HIM:
They've been persecuted beyond belief. They've paid their dues.


Beyond belief is correct.

You can't be steadfast in the Constitution, then Vote for theocracy.

Hyppo-liscious,

[JohnQPublic]

...


A good example of this tactic would be as if people who live in South America started calling themselves "Americans" in the context that we understand it. Ecuadorians, for example.

...

[/fictional example]

South and Central Americans do call themselves Americans, and don't like us being referred to as [the exclusive] Americans. They call us the United States (Estados Unidos) and not America.

[gunDriller]

K-os, I feel for you - that guy's brain is so washed in Zio-propaganda I wouldn't know where to begin. Maybe I'd start with asking him why he is a Jewish-centric racist? We all know racism is bad, right? ;)

my observation is that racism is normal.

of course, it's also normal to make friends with people in a race you normally avoid.

it obviously depends on the definition of racism. if it's racist to observe that the entire defensive side, all 11 players, of some pro football team are all African American, then count me in !

if it's racist to observe the white supremacy (beige supremacy ?) of most Jews, then - count me in !


personally, i would say it's racist to kill people just because of their ethnicity, as the Jews do to the Gentiles. it's also racist to practice nepotism in favor of the Jews, as occurs in many American industries.

so, i would say that racism is normal and that the Jewish form of racism is real unhealthy for the rest of us, and therefore worthy of countermeasures.

of course, if there's a group of black kids looking to do a chimp-out, it's easy to stay out of their way - you just avoid them.

[StreetsOfGold]

holy crap, that amazes me.

As a Bible believing Christian I would not have answered the way this person did. I am 100% for Ron Paul as well

However

YOUR response (above) is deploring.

Crap is NOT Holy. God is Holy and his word.
Putting a word like [Holy] together with [crap] (which God designed) to remind you of what's inside ALL of us and what we really are is blasphemous

[mamboni]

K-os, not only are you very pretty; but obviously, you are very kind and patient. I would have grown impatient with this idiot and told him to pull his head out of his ass and start exercising the brain God gave him. But that's me, charming to the last. LOL

Today at conference, I told a older respected MD of Jewish persuasion that Israel better stop pushing for war with Iran or they risk unleashing wide destruction. He didn't argue with me. I told him that the Israelis and Americans will suffer for their ignorance of history: for two millenia, those who have invaded Persia have always left Persia defeated, badly wounded and having gained nothing. He agreed. I turned to a young surgeon of Iranian ancestry and he said that his mother, who is Persian, had uttered some choice words against this anti-Iran campaign of late. Then he stunned me, informing us that Iran better stop picking fights with other nations or it will get what's coming to it. :o:o:o Well, my eyes probably popped out of my head and my skin turned several shades of red. He looked at me with extreme trepidation. And forcefully I said to him: "Look at a damn map young man! Who has Iran surrounded completely? Who has sent drones into Iran on spy missions in violation of international law? Who has sent assassins into Iran to kill civilian scientists? Have you gone completely stupid? Do you read anything except headlines? Do you believe only what the MSM tells you?" Well, you could hear a pin drop. This young surgeon holds me in high regard, as I am a senior staff member and a chief of service. I'm hoping he'll take my words to heart and do some investigating on his own. The bigger point here is that highly educated people can be extremely ignorant - shockingly so.

[nunaem]

Maybe the entire Christian religion was created by Jews to control the gentiles.

I'm no biblical scholar, but weren't Jesus and all his disciples Jewish?

Read this: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Dalton-Nietzsche3.html

[Horn]

South and Central Americans do call themselves Americans, and don't like us being referred to as [the exclusive] Americans. They call us the United States (Estados Unidos) and not America.

Per Capita, there's probably as many Americans in Latin America, as there are Europeans in the U.S & Canada.

[FreeEnergy]

mamboni, thumbs up!

highly educated people are mostly as ignorant as uneducated ones, because of their narrow focus of study. And because oftentimes they read so much and need to conform to so much stuff (like in your field) that by the time they are done they can't consume a media with their critical thinking ON. Only after they've been subjected to the company of fellows like yourself , or if they are just intrinsically non-trusting the "authority" will they develop critical thinking.

In old USSR, a good portion of the people knew from the start that communists are propaganda, just kept mostly quiet about it. Generation after generation of propaganda (and killing) haven't done much, wasn't much worse than in US today - as soon as the commies were out most people woke up.

[Awoke]

South and Central Americans do call themselves Americans, and don't like us being referred to as [the exclusive] Americans. They call us the United States (Estados Unidos) and not America.

I was only using it to illustrate a point.

But if you want to split hairs, they only call themselves "Americans" because the Americas were settled and they have been raised to call themselves that. I wonder what they would have called themselves if the Jews never landed on their shores and settled the continent?

The point is, what people today are calling "Jew", and protecting against any threat, are in actuality NOT Israelites from the lines of David. They are imposters. Possibly the abomination of desolation setting itself up in the holy place.

[hoarder]

Who has Iran surrounded completely? Who has sent drones into Iran on spy missions in violation of international law? Who has sent assassins into Iran to kill civilian scientists? Have you gone completely stupid? Do you read anything except headlines? Do you believe only what the MSM tells you?"How about "Who owns the media in Iran?" Most people don't realize this, but the mass media in Islamic countries is owned by Marranos. They fill the Muslim masses with drivel like "America is the great Satan" withoout mentioning who controls America.
Most Muslims are as ignorant as Americans.

[StreetsOfGold]

Read this: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Dalton-Nietzsche3.html

"He paints the following picture"
Translation: It's pure fiction. It didn't happen.

Anytime someone resorts to preverting the word of God (used throughout) in an attempt to teach something (his fictious story) you can count on it not being from God but satan. Nietzsche the German philosopher (Col. 2:8) dedicated his life to attacking the Bible and God. Would you expect anything less from him?

[ximmy]

As a Bible believing Christian I would not have answered the way this person did. I am 100% for Ron Paul as well

However

YOUR response (above) is deploring.

Crap is NOT Holy. God is Holy and his word.
Putting a word like [Holy] together with [crap] (which God designed) to remind you of what's inside ALL of us and what we really are is blasphemous

It's true... crap is not holy...

"Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ..." (Philippians 3:8)

dung... literally... SHIT!!
-----
However, it should be noted that there was a theological belief stemming from the idea of transubstantiation that the Holy Eucharist passing through a saints body would remain holy as it worked it's way through and out the rear end. The idea is termed, as I remember, Sanctus Stercorum or (HOLY SHIT) :o

[Book]

http://www.jobs2me.net/images/interview.jpg
"Well...my last employer fired me for calling my co-workers
dumb goyim and warning them all about the evil Jews."


::)

[Sparky]

...
YOUR response (above) is deploring.

Crap is NOT Holy. God is Holy and his word.
Putting a word like [Holy] together with [crap] (which God designed) to remind you of what's inside ALL of us and what we really are is blasphemous

You should realize that this type of response only serves to deflect people from Christianity. Is this really how you choose to focus your discipleship?

[Canadian-guerilla]

HIM:
It is. I believe in the Bible. I would die for any Jew.

every jew who reads this probably has an orgasim

christian zionists = useful idiots

[Canadian-guerilla]

you cannot really argue religion....

you could point out the whole schofield(sp?) bible thing, and how the jews rewrote large parts of it...


one of my pet conspiracy theories

when Gutenberg started mass printing bibles
the influential jews ( at the time ) did some creative bible editing

Those Who Bless Israel Will Be Blessed
and Those Who Curse Israel Will Be Cursed

[gunDriller]

one of my pet conspiracy theories

when Gutenberg started mass printing bibles
the influential jews ( at the time ) did some creative bible editing

Those Who Bless Israel Will Be Blessed
and Those Who Curse Israel Will Be Cursed

very good point. at some point Christianity was co-opted.

there is certainly a fear of criticizing Israel in many Christian churches.

of course, some of that comes down directly from the pastors, who in some cases tell them "if you want to go to Heaven, you have to support Israel" ... along with more lies about the Palestinians shooting 70 rockets a day from the Gaza strip.

[PatColo]

How about "Who owns the media in Iran?" Most people don't realize this, but the mass media in Islamic countries is owned by Marranos. They fill the Muslim masses with drivel like "America is the great Satan" withoout mentioning who controls America.
Most Muslims are as ignorant as Americans.

not so fast! ;)

"I was speaking the other day with Scott Pelley of CBS News's "60 Minutes" about the mood in Iraq. He had just returned from filming a piece there and he told me something disturbing. Scott had gone around and asked Iraqis on the streets what they called American troops - wondering if they had nicknames for us in the way we used to call the Nazis "Krauts" or the Vietcong "Charlie." And what did he find? "Many Iraqis have so much distrust for U.S. forces we found they've come up with a nickname for our troops," Scott said. "They call American soldiers 'The Jews,' as in, 'Don't go down that street, the Jews set up a roadblock.' [...]"
-- Thomas Freidman, NY Times Op Ed: "Jews, Israel, and America (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/opinion/24friedman.html?pagewanted=print&position=)"

also a couple good ones on Iran's PressTV:

9/11 and Israel: Alan Sabrosky’s Shocking Press TV Interview (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/17/911-and-israel-alan-sabroskys-shocking-press-tv-interview/)


&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f936GCr2o_w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f936GCr2o_w

Uploaded by PressTVGlobalNews on Jan 4, 2012

An American political commentator says Israel may stage an attack against American ships in the Persian Gulf to draw the US into war with Iran.

In an interview with Press TV, James Morris said Israel may resort to a ploy similar to the USS Liberty incident and "stage an attack against an American ship to draw the US into war against Iran."


In 1967, during the Six-Day War between Israel and some of the Arab states, the Israeli Air Force attacked the USS Liberty, an American technical research ship, north of the Sinai Peninsula, northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.

The attack killed 34 crew members, wounded 170, and severely damaged the ship. After conducting inquiries, the Israeli and US government issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israel's confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty.

[Horn]

very good point. at some point Christianity was co-opted.

there is certainly a fear of criticizing Israel in many Christian churches.

of course, some of that comes down directly from the pastors, who in some cases tell them "if you want to go to Heaven, you have to support Israel" ... along with more lies about the Palestinians shooting 70 rockets a day from the Gaza strip.

As well as the fear of criticizing Christianity on this site...

[letter_factory]

one of my pet conspiracy theories

when Gutenberg started mass printing bibles
the influential jews ( at the time ) did some creative bible editing

Those Who Bless Israel Will Be Blessed
and Those Who Curse Israel Will Be Cursed


do you have any more info on this, and which version of the bible do you consider authentic?

[gunDriller]

As well as the fear of criticizing Christianity on this site...

i'm not sure how big that fear is. i would want a Christian like StackerKen to be comfortable here.

this place isn't that PC. i generally like Muslims, but i don't feel uncomfortable with the people here that don't like them.

[Awoke]

do you have any more info on this, and which version of the bible do you consider authentic?

Douay Rheims translation is my choice.

[Canadian-guerilla]

do you have any more info on this, and which version of the bible do you consider authentic?

just a pet theory of mine, no facts

i think ALL RELIGIONS are a control racket

[k-os]

I have really bad news to report . . . the guy who I had the conversation with in the OP is my new "boss".

I am self-employed, but I have basically one client - a company I worked with for 5 years before going out on my own (now for 5 years). So, it's basically my "job". The money is good, and mostly reliable (there have been a few glitches in the 5 years, but they seem to be ironed out now). My old boss left for a really awesome dream job (of his), and I can't blame him for moving on.

So I met with my new boss yesterday. On the ride back from our department lunch, he brings up politics. He's driving, my favorite co-worker is in the passenger's seat, and I am in the back. If I had a better memory, this would be more interesting, but it went something like this:

New boss: So, what do you think about the debates?

Me: I think Obama and Romney are two sides of the same coin. Nobody does what they promise to do, so why do we pay any attention to them anyway? I had a lot of faith in Ron Paul, but the media made him look like a fool, excluded him, and ignored him. Most people don't know how to think, so they think how they are told, and they vote how they are told by the media.

Passenger seat guy: [turns and whispers] Gary Johnson (which makes me smile)

New boss: I liked most of what Ron Paul had to say. There was only one thing that I had a problem with. [pause]

Me: Isreal.

New boss: Yes. Israel.

From there I decided to explain how every single one of our former "allies" were at some point later our enemies, and how do we rationalize all of this "us" vs. "them" stuff knowing that? I said we should worry about the state of affairs at home, and make the Defense Department live up to the name "defense" instead of offense. Passenger seat guy then turns and whispers "heard it." :)

I remember from that conversation that the new boss is afraid of muslims and how they want to kill us. I get the feeling that he's got FOX news on 100% of the time at home. What sucks is that because he's my new boss . . . I couldn't say the things I really wanted to say.

I also remember one of them saying that Ron Paul was too "radical", and that people don't understand what the FED is, so when Ron Paul says to "abolish the FED", people get scared. My response was - "Well then let's educate the people! Isn't that what the media is supposed to do?" Then, nothing.

Ugh. Read the first post again to feel my pain. This is my new boss. Thank goodness I work from home, but still.

[zap]

That sucks.... I guess If I were in your shoes I would tread lightly when it came to politics and my boss.

I talked to a friend of mine the other day and asked her if she will vote or if she watched the debates, I was surprised when she said, Oh I don't really vote, I'm not that interested in politics.......

[Horn]

Email him this video, and tell him what we think doesn't matter.

Its all up to the old baggy looking lady standing next to the Latino guy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBNAu8aSXRQ

[sunshine05]

I didn't read the first post, but I've found that it's best to avoid political discussions at work. I haven't worked in a while now but honestly I wouldn't want to know the political thoughts of my co-workers and boss because I know that most people are sheep and I would just rather not know and stick to work only. Separate work from personal life as much as possible.

[AndreaGail]

how awful, sorry to hear that k-os :/

[vacuum]

You're a better person than me k-os. I don't really put myself out there to try to convince people of things.

[MNeagle]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/jobs/office-debates-about-politics-and-how-to-avoid-them.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

[singular_me]

Maybe the entire Christian religion was created by Jews to control the gentiles.?

... kinda incendiary - should this be true, thats the paramount of all delusions

[singular_me]

I would avoid talking to him about anything except the weather.

When it comes down to it he cannot be trusted to put your interests above izreals.

If he sees something he will say something.

the absolute matrix, the system is controlled on all levels... even people who know more wont dare speak out. The Truth is contained. All better for the PTBs, they got us by the "paycheck". That is why I left everything behind. Life is tough but at least I am surrounded by way more like-minded people than I was when in the Big Apple.

[Horn]

Well its been said before, there's nothing more anti-America than Israel.

From its plotted creation, to the basis of its citizenship, it was founded through chosen & royal entitlement. With no basis on merit.

People who govern themselves around it, then pledge allegiance to the U.S. Republic are traitors to themselves, and or split personality types.

[PlatinumBlonde]

Maybe the entire Christian religion was created by Jews to control the gentiles.



That's what Oliver Revilo said..

I had a friend that once called Christianity an export cult..

[singular_me]

That's what Oliver Revilo said..

I had a friend that once called Christianity an export cult..

first allow me to say that all religions convey the Greater Scheme of All things, The Oneness is blatantly described by every faith, what makes them sound different is that they all seek to protect their own cultural elitist background so the chess game can go on at home and abroad. I for one believe that cultures are an induced dichotomy. The latest fear of a "one world religion" highlights this pretty well. Anyone willing to look at the half full/empty glass theory can see it. So now we have all doctrines claiming that they are the "Chosen One" the only one world religion. Mind boggling to say the least. All I can say is that we are in DEEP sh*t.


the problem we have here is that islam, christianity and judaism endorse Abraham. It is a "triangle" with judaism at the top as it came first. Now look at the israeli flag.

[JDRock]

his answer " first they came for paul..then they came for peter... well WHO THE HELL came for them??? the jews of course! read acts about how the tribe followed paul and had orders to kidnap any christian and bring them to jerusalem to be put to death! Now thats bible folks- jews going to foreign nations to kidnap and try and convict APART from the law of the empire (rome) abnyone man woman child who believed in Christ! yeah...they're our FRIENDS!

[Twisted Titan]

Now is the time to be like The Reed that bends back and forth dependent on which way the wind blows but the foundation is firmly roooted in the ground.


My advice:

Tell that prole whatever he wants to hear as he is a position of "authority" there will come a day when you can clear the air but now is not the time.

we must continue to work behind the scence to shore up our reserves.

trust and beileve there will be no greater satifaction you will have when it finally sinks into his fogged brain that he has be steadily helping someone who is so drastically upposed to his core belifes.

you will demonstrate in fablous fashion he is a utter jack@$$

[Twisted Titan]

if he ever asks why you were such a sneak

you can tell him your jewish friends at the mossad gave you some sound advice on their Insignia


"By deception thou shall wage War"

[messianicdruid]

...the problem we have here is that islam, christianity and judaism endorse Abraham...

And the Luciferians are making it easy for them to destroy each other {by keeping reasonable people out of leadership}, while they laugh behind their hands and wait to pick up the pieces.

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/d...at-mans-plans/

"For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in."

Israel was dispersed among the nations {the gentiles}. The apostles were sent to preach {and wrote about} the good news to the Israelites that were dispersed among the nations. Many of them forgot {blinded to} who they were.

The Judahites/Edomites used the name Israel to fool the blinded Israelites into supporting them in their endeavors in Palestine. The blinded Israelites became {are becoming} christians and will remain blind {to their own identity} until their blindness is healed {on an individual level} or the end of the age.

The first six PDFs are required reading on this subject:

http://www.stonekingdom.org/bible_study.html

[singular_me]

while religion is difficult to avoid in threads involving zionism, I dont think derailing this one is worth it. Thanks for your input Messianicdruid.