Man Cited For Illegal Bartering: “I Need Some Firewood and I’m Willing to Trade

[Twisted Titan]

If you’re planning on bartering emergency stockpiles and supplies in the event of a disaster then be sure to check applicable state and Federal laws or you may end up being the subjectof a sting operation,aswasthecase with Chad Gerondale of Alaska.

Bartering may have been a necessary trade practiced by the earliest of our human ancestors, but in a society where central planning and control is the status quo, even the exchangeof food or servicesbecomesanillegalact:

Chad Gerondale, 41, has hired well-known Fairbanks attorney Bill Satterberg to represent him in the “meat for heat” case, as it has been dubbed by online spectators.

“I’ve got a lot to say about it but (Satterberg) told me not to,” Gerondale told the News-Miner Tuesday morning when he returned phone messages left during theweekend.

Alaska WildlifeTrooperslast week issued Gerondale a summons to appear in court on Feb. 3 to be arraigned on a misdemeanor charge of illegal barter of game meat. Troopers issued a news release Friday stating Gerondale had been cited for agreeing to trade 125 pounds of moose meat for two cords of firewood.

Buying, selling or bartering of game meat, except snowshoe hares, is illegal. The one exception is caribou meat in northern and western Alaska (units 22-26) may be bartered, but the meat cannot be taken out of those units.

Gerondale allegedly offered to swap moose meat for firewood on the radio show, Tradio, which airs on KFAR 660 AM.

“The allegations are the guy was on Tradio and said, ‘I need some firewood and I’m willing to trade some moose meat,’” Satterberg said.

Trooper Ken Vanspronsen contacted Gerondale to make a deal and then showed up at his house and issued him a citation, Satterberg said.

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“If you say, ‘I’ve got some moose meat; you’ve got some salmon, let’s trade,’ that’s a crime,” Satterberg said. “Simply making the statement is the crime. That’s a serious First Amendment question.”

What the law says:

AS16.05.920. Prohibited Conduct Generally.

(a) Unless permitted by AS16.05-AS16.40, by AS41.14, or by regulation adopted under AS16.05-AS16.40 or AS41.14, a person may not take, possess, transport, sell, offer to sell, purchase, or offer to purchase fish, game, or marine aquaticplants, or any partof fish, game, or aquatic plants, or a nest or egg of fish or gam http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/alaska-man-cited-for-illegal-bartering-i-need-some-firewood-and-im-willing-to-trade-6-moose-meat_01202012j




http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/alaska-man-cited-for-illegal-bartering-i-need-some-firewood-and-im-willing-to-trade-some-moose-meat_01202012


The lesson here is that if you plan on bartering, illegal or not, keep it a private matter. Government minions, whether on the Federal level, or local law enforcement, have nothing better to do than to interfere in the business of private individuals.

[Twisted Titan]

Trooper Ken Vanspronsen contacted Gerondale to make a deal and then showed up at his house and issued him a citation.



May the Kindness of Trooper Vanspronsen be returned to him 100 fold when The Hammer finally falls on America

[palani]

a person may not ...


Chad Gerondale, 41, has hired well-known Fairbanks attorney Bill Satterberg to represent him

Poor Chad. The regulations required a "person" to forbear certain things and he creates a person by his representation. He had just as well entered a guilty plea on the spot because he has already lost.

[Canadian-guerilla]

Poor Chad. The regulations required a "person" to forbear certain things and he creates a person by his representation. He had just as well entered a guilty plea on the spot because he has already lost.

no, defeatist attitude

when martial law is declared, you just gonna say " yes sir, no sir "

let the gov't know some people are willing to fight their stupid laws/regulations

[hoarder]

Chad Gerondale, 41, has hired well-known Fairbanks attorney Bill Satterberg to represent himIdiot hires Jew lawyer to defend him against the charge of circumventing Jewish Federal Reserve.

[palani]

no, defeatist attitude

when martial law is declared, you just gonna say " yes sir, no sir "

let the gov't know some people are willing to fight their stupid laws/regulations

Actually I would proclaim I am a man and not a person. I would go on to define a person for the law enforcement coppiceman as 1) an action, 2) a word or 3) representation. Now the action of offering to barter game meat will also create a person so to stay away from such an illegal act I would offer a good meal of potatoes, veggies and an assortment of meat with the leftovers to go to the other party in exchange for some firewood.

Bible tells us to agree (and be agreeable) at all times. Being belligerent does not fit my definition of being agreeable.

[Tumbleweed]

So was the moose meat legaly taken and if it was why does the govenment still have control over it?

[EE_]

So was the moose meat legaly taken and if it was why does the govenment still have control over it?

That's the real point in question. If the meat was legally taken, you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
The problem comes when the government says you must prove everything you barter with, must be proven to be legally obtained.

[Spectrism]

This issue centers around MEAT. This is just a technicality. All barter is deemed illegal. Bartering circumvents the govt (state or federal) from being able to steal (tax) a piece of the action. I had a boss in a previous job who loathed someone he heard about who bartered for near everything he had. This boss felt self-righteous in his tax-paying but still had not yet broken out of his socialist mindset. A fool who takes pride in cutting his own throat to please government policies is beyond hope.

The use of technical terms is the snare they try to use. Do not "barter", "trade", "sell", "buy" or "deal" for anything. Have no "transactions". When it comes time to work with people, offer a gift and let God place on their hearts anything they would like to give you.

When the thieves attempt to stop you from surviving, they invite equal treatment.

[zap]

quote "Gerondale allegedly offered to swap moose meat for firewood on the radio show, Tradio, which airs on KFAR 660 AM."

That was just stupid, don't announce it on the radio.

[midnight rambler]

Idiot hires (a) lawyer

Fixed it for ya.

[midnight rambler]

That's the real point in question. If the meat was legally taken, you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
The problem comes when the government says you must prove everything you barter with, must be proven to be illegally obtained.

The issue is that a 'person' entered into commerce with the king's game which that 'person' took from the king's woods.

[freespirit]

This issue centers around MEAT. This is just a technicality. All barter is deemed illegal. Bartering circumvents the govt (state or federal) from being able to steal (tax) a piece of the action. I had a boss in a previous job who loathed someone he heard about who bartered for near everything he had. This boss felt self-righteous in his tax-paying but still had not yet broken out of his socialist mindset. A fool who takes pride in cutting his own throat to please government policies is beyond hope.

The use of technical terms is the snare they try to use. Do not "barter", "trade", "sell", "buy" or "deal" for anything. Have no "transactions". When it comes time to work with people, offer a gift and let God place on their hearts anything they would like to give you.

When the thieves attempt to stop you from surviving, they invite equal treatment.


...exactly! terminology is everything.

i'm also sure that he didn't have to go on the radio to find someone willing to do the "gift exchange". that was dumb.

[vacuum]

He wasn't allowed to sell it either, he might have gotten into more trouble if he tried to do that. My guess is that the reason these laws are on the books is to stop people from profiting from hunting moose. Hunting is allowed by locals to eat the meat, but they don't want it becoming a business.

Of course it's dumb in this case because it was an exchange between locals.

[palani]

The issue is that a 'person' entered into commerce with the king's game which that 'person' took from the king's woods.

People tend to forget that the Law of the Forest became such precisely at the time the Magna Carta (and in the same document) became the Common Law. I suspect the Law of the Forest has also been determined to be part and parcel with the Common Law and is the basis for all state DNR rules and regulations.

Manwood's Treatise on the Law of the Forest is a good read to pick up on minor points dealing with territories, municipalities, boundaries and specifics of how conservation was handled 1,000 years ago.

[Twisted Titan]

...exactly! terminology is everything.

i'm also sure that he didn't have to go on the radio to find someone willing to do the "gift exchange". that was dumb.

while I agree I gotta say in his defense who the eff would have thunk the local barney fife would have set up.a sting because he was cold?

cops are the biggest pricks and just when I think they can't sink any lower they find a new way to astound me

[Neuro]

He wasn't allowed to sell it either, he might have gotten into more trouble if he tried to do that. My guess is that the reason these laws are on the books is to stop people from profiting from hunting moose. Hunting is allowed by locals to eat the meat, but they don't want it becoming a business.

Of course it's dumb in this case because it was an exchange between locals.

So it is not possible to find wild meat at the supermarket in USA?

[vacuum]

So it is not possible to find wild meat at the supermarket in USA?
I don't think I've ever personally seen it. It's probably possible but not very widespread.

[Tumbleweed]

Trooper Ken Vanspronsen contacted Gerondale to make a deal and then showed up at his house and issued him a citation.



May the Kindness of Trooper Vanspronsen be returned to him 100 fold when The Hammer finally falls on America

One more example for the reasons people hate cops.

[Neuro]

I don't think I've ever personally seen it. It's probably possible but not very widespread.

In Sweden at most stores you can find wild meat at least at parts of the year. You can't find it in Turkey... Price is usually similar to better cuts of beef. I think it is one of the healthiest things you can eat...

[milehi]

I enjoy splitting the differnet types of wood in the area, and always have several cords on hand for trade. The last two transactions were for an expensive bottle of booze, and exclusive couch rights this season at a friend's ski resort condo. I don't remember the last time I accepted FRNs.

[gunDriller]

When the thieves attempt to stop you from surviving, they invite equal treatment.

at best.

the US gov (or state game wardens, whoever) in this case is on the Offensive, sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

that part about "Life Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness" gives us the right to trade meat for firewood.

they're 235 1/2 years behind the times (from July 1776 to January 2012).

[freespirit]

So it is not possible to find wild meat at the supermarket in USA?



...not sure about the US, but the only "wild" stuff i've seen in the supermarkets are farm raised fish.
mind you there are a few buffalo farms you can buy meat from...just not in the supermarkets.

[General of Darkness]

Isn't this ENTRAPMENT?

[osoab]

People tend to forget that the Law of the Forest became such precisely at the time the Magna Carta (and in the same document) became the Common Law. I suspect the Law of the Forest has also been determined to be part and parcel with the Common Law and is the basis for all state DNR rules and regulations.

Manwood's Treatise on the Law of the Forest is a good read to pick up on minor points dealing with territories, municipalities, boundaries and specifics of how conservation was handled 1,000 years ago.

I found this link if anyone else is interested.

http://www.archive.org/stream/manwoodstreatis00manwgoog/manwoodstreatis00manwgoog_djvu.txt

[Book]

http://www.turnmaineblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/United-States-Congress.jpg

http://keithdevens.com/images/flag_smiley.gifGOD BLESS THE RULE OF LAW

[Bigjon]

Love these distraction issues that TPTB give you little folks to bicker about while they steal you blind.

[palani]

I found this link if anyone else is interested.

http://www.archive.org/stream/manwoodstreatis00manwgoog/manwoodstreatis00manwgoog_djvu.txt

Formatting is terrible on that piece. It is unreadable.

I thought google had a scan but it appears not. I found a facsimile in a library, scanned each page and then translated from old English to MSWord. If anyone wants a copy PM me and I will attach to an email.

[osoab]

Formatting is terrible on that piece. It is unreadable.

I thought google had a scan but it appears not. I found a facsimile in a library, scanned each page and then translated from old English to MSWord. If anyone wants a copy PM me and I will attach to an email.


here is a scan.

http://www.archive.org/stream/manwoodstreatis00manwgoog#page/n13/mode/2up

and another

http://ia600301.us.archive.org//load_djvu_applet.php?file=8/items/manwoodstreatis00manwgoog/manwoodstreatis00manwgoog.djvu