South Carolina primary results

[MNeagle]

http://www.cnn.com/?refresh=1

3% reported, and already they drop Ron Paul off the result page!! (Wouldn't let me copy the result image)

[EE_]

This one's over, Newt won and Ron Paul took last place.
Congrats to the Christian conservatives for picking a candidate you hope will beat Obama over your Christian values and religion.

[Shami-Amourae]

The United Statists of America

[Buddha]

God bless
The United Statists of America

[Ares]

The United Statists of America

No longer exist. It's just a federal corporation now.

[BabushkaLady]

Where is Rand Paul these days?

[JohnQPublic]

Ron Paul has 2 more delegates than Santorum (oops)

[osoab]

SC must really like their military bases.

[BabushkaLady]

He's also holding up well in the delegate count!

[Libertytree]

Ooops....they forgot to mention that there's 500 delegates at stake that newt and frothy can't get because they're not on the ballot in those states.

[EE_]

Who picks the order of these states for primaries? When do we get to a Ron Paul favorable state?
I think Florida will be a bust too.

The thing that really makes me sick is how the others steal from Rons message for their own rhetoric (bullshit).
I have a feeling this election would have a whole different tone without RP...the other shitbags would be selling more spending, bigger government, more entitlements, more welfare, less liberty for safety, on top of their more war campaign.
They have been listening closely to Ron's message and are using him for their own political gain and for their master Israel.

To all the others, be damned!

[Ares]

Ooops....they forgot to mention that there's 500 delegates at stake that newt and frothy can't get because they're not on the ballot in those states.

Wait, I thought it was just Virgina that Salamander and Frothy weren't on the ballots in.

[Libertytree]

Wait, I thought it was just Virgina that Salamander and Frothy weren't on the ballots in.

No, there are others, though off the top of my head I can't list them.

[JDRock]

This one's over, Newt won and Ron Paul took last place.
Congrats to the Christian conservatives for picking a candidate you hope will beat Obama over your Christian values and religion.
home run... im sick. on 1 hand its only right that people who willingly elect these tyrants, will GET tyranny....but what about those who vote according to principle? must WE suffer the tyrants put in power by your stupidity???

[zap]

If that big fat lying troll becomes the republican candidate, I guess I won't vote for president.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/3.0/election/2012/03_candidates/story_bios/candidates-35x35/tzavtr.gingrich.jpg (http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/candidates/12094?hpt=hp_pc1)
Gingrich http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.e/img/3.0/election/2012/politics/sm_projected_winner.png (http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/candidates/12094?hpt=hp_pc1)
239,682
40%

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/3.0/election/2012/03_candidates/story_bios/candidates-35x35/tzavtr.romney.jpg (http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/candidates/893?hpt=hp_pc1)
Romney (http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/candidates/893?hpt=hp_pc1)
165,354
28%

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/3.0/election/2012/03_candidates/story_bios/candidates-35x35/tzavtr.santorum.jpg (http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/candidates/1752?hpt=hp_pc1)
Santorum (http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/candidates/1752?hpt=hp_pc1)
100,968
17%

99% reporting

[Cebu_4_2]

These numbers do not seem right, Newt gets 40% after the dirt was released? WTF is going on?

[Winston Smith]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/16/paul-plane-trips-draw-scrutiny-to-federal-spending-hawk/

on the right is a new FAUX NOOS poll. 2115

[vacuum]

I used to live in SC.....don't have anything good to say about it.

[BabushkaLady]

Here's a Doug Wead video from today; at least there is a strategy--Hope it cheers some of you up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCFYVoLMPJM&feature=player_embedded

So much for being the only Veteran in the line-up!

[BabushkaLady]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/16/paul-plane-trips-draw-scrutiny-to-federal-spending-hawk/

on the right is a new FAUX NOOS poll. 2115

They can shove that Spending Hawk story; And the Poll results is Faux for sure.

I voted for Frothy to drop out. :p

[JohnQPublic]

I have pretty much lost any respect I had for South Carolina. It's a beautiful state and seems to be a great place to live, but I question the residents judgement and intelligence at this point.

[Winston Smith]

They can shove that Spending Hawk story; And the Poll results is Faux for sure.

I voted for Frothy to drop out. :p

I agree on the spending hawk story, in a way it backfired on them (AP)
Voted for Frothy also. HA!

[Winston Smith]

it's possible a lot of obamacrats crossed over for newt?

I have pretty much lost any respect I had for South Carolina. It's a beautiful state and seems to be a great place to live, but I question the residents judgement and intelligence at this point.

[Shami-Amourae]

From a Zero Hedge commenter (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fox-nbc-news-projects-newt-win-south-carolina-romney-second#comment-2085492):


navy62802 (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/navy62802) http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-43757.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/navy62802)

The selfishness of the American voter is what is going to kill the US. A society that feels it is entitled and will vote that way until the bitter end ... until the country is insolvent.
When the vote is separated by age group, Paul's support is inversely proportional to the age of the voter. The younger the voter, the more likely he/she is to support him. The older the voter, the less likely. Said another way, those closer to collecting retirement benefits from the government are less likely to vote for Paul. Said another way, give me my benefits, screw the generations of Americans that come after me.
Here is the percentage of the vote Paul gets, broken down by age group
18-24 - 31%
25-29 - 32%
30-39 - 23%
40-49 - 13%
50-64 - 11%
65+ - 7%

[millwright]

Funny thing,after all these years of reading posts here and at GIM I always sort of felt that i was talking to people of my generation. Im 45. Was i wrong? Looking at the numbers for RP, it would seem as if my contemporaries are f*cking clueless. That being said, i talk to lots of folks and if i had to guess, most of the pro RP supporters i have run into were around my age. Im confused.

As to the overall results, i guess im not really surprised. This nation is finished. It is no longer about saving it, but rather surviving it ! I think most of the awakened among us get that.

[Tumbleweed]

Over my 60 years I've had plenty of set backs but I've learned not to give up or quit if something was worth doing. This fight for liberty needs to continue. It's worth doing. These setbacks test your will and desire. You may need to step back, think your reasons through for what you're doing then get back in the fight. Never quit. If you do you fail.

We need to stick with Ron Paul to the end and if he doesn't get the nomination or elected president we need to stay in there and continue the fight for our liberty. It's worth doing. I'm pissed about what happened in South Carolina but we need to fight these stupid SOB's that voted against Ron Paul. I'll be damned if I'll give up and give these traitors what they want without a fight. SOB's

[Shami-Amourae]

Well by my above post I'm showing that the younger generations get more of what's going on than the older ones. Focus on the younger generations. The older generations will stand with this corrupt system to the end since all they care about is getting their check. At the end of the day we will have a age struggle between older generations who want to keep mooching off the younger generations, and the younger generations will wake up to the fact of Socialism and reject it. Why do I say this? Since this is partially how I woke up myself. Most of the Libertarians I know my own age voted for Obama in 2008. There is an awakening going on, but it's pretty much only with the young generation.

[Tumbleweed]

I'm one of the older generation and there's alot of us that support Ron Paul. People need to turn off their television sets instead of listening to the Jew brainwashing continualy.

[General of Darkness]

So much for the Rebel yell.

[EE_]

Where do you see RP having a chance of winning a state?

January 31, 2012 Florida (primary)

February 4, 2012 Nevada (caucus)

February 4–11, 2012 Maine (caucus)

February 7, 2012 Colorado (caucus)
Minnesota (caucus)
Missouri (primary) – *See note below on Missouri

February 28, 2012 Arizona (primary)
Michigan (primary)

March 3, 2012 Washington (caucus)

March 6, 2012
(Super Tuesday) Alaska (caucus)
Georgia (primary)
Idaho (caucus)
Massachusetts (primary)
North Dakota (caucus)
Ohio (primary)
Oklahoma (primary)
Tennessee (primary)
Vermont (primary)
Virginia (primary)

March 6-10, 2012 Wyoming (caucus)

March 10, 2012 Kansas (caucus)
U.S. Virgin Islands (caucus)

March 13, 2012 Alabama (primary)
Hawaii (caucus)
Mississippi (primary)

March 17, 2012Missouri (GOP caucus) – *See note below on Missouri

March 18, 2012 Puerto Rico (primary)
March 20, 2012 Illinois (primary)

March 24, 2012 Louisiana (primary)

April 3, 2012 District of Columbia (primary)
Maryland (primary)
Wisconsin (primary)
Texas (primary)

April 24, 2012 Connecticut (primary)
Delaware (primary)
New York (primary)
Pennsylvania (primary)
Rhode Island (primary)

May 8, 2012 Indiana (primary)
North Carolina (primary)
West Virginia (primary)

May 15, 2012 Nebraska (primary)
Oregon (primary)

May 22, 2012 Arkansas (primary)
Kentucky (primary)

June 5, 2012 California (primary)
Montana (primary)
New Jersey (primary)
New Mexico (primary)
South Dakota (primary)

June 26, 2012 Utah (primary)

[Neuro]

Ron Paul has 2 more delegates than Santorum (oops)

Ok I have seen this delegate count:

Newt-23
Mitt-19
Santorum-13
Paul-3

I think the origin of this delegate 'estimate' is from AP... I wonder why they didn't estimate any delegates from Iowa for Paul, while he had to share his delegates with Huntsman in NH?

Did they count delegates at a particularly negative way to disadvantage Paul?

[millwright]

Nevada, Maine , Montana , and Wyoming come to mind. And of course my state of KY.

[Libertytree]

Yeah folks, I'm disgusted by my fellow southerners too but there are some things to keep in mind and others to highlight.

First of all, we all knew SC was gonna be a bust from the git go, hell, when you're thinking a 3rd place finish is a good thing....you get my point.

Secondly, this is only the 3rd lap in a 50 lap race........delegates, delegates, delegates.

Now for the good news. Look at these numbers! Some will say it's a small consolation but I disagree, this is the progress thats been made since 07/08, yeah we still have a loooong way to go but look how far we've come. Now, let's imagine if these numbers keep rising at these rates, 1x, 2x, 3x, etc.. I'm no math wiz but that kind of exponential growth would be phenonemal.

Iowa
2008: 11,841 votes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_Republican_caucuses,_2008#Results_of_the_Janu ary_2008_caucuses)
2012: 26,219 votes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_Republican_caucuses,_2012#Unofficial_results)
2.2x total votes

New Hampshire
2008: 18,308 votes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_Republican_primary,_2008#Results)
2012: 56,872 votes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_Republican_primary,_2012#Result)
3.1x total votes

South Carolina
2008: 16,155 votes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Republican_primary,_2008#Results)
2012: 75,283 votes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina_Republican_primary,_2012#Results)
4.7x total votes

[BrewTech]

These numbers do not seem right, Newt gets 40% after the dirt was released? WTF is going on?

Of course they're not right. It's called vote fraud. Right there for the whole world to see and there ain't nothing gonna be done about it. I mean, really... what can be done about it?

There are really only two possibilities. Either great numbers of people really are dumb enough to run out, en masse, and vote contrary to their own best interests... OR the voting results are pure fantasy - made up figures to achieve a desired end.

If the former is correct, then it means that the media machine can direct public opinion and action as it wishes, and we are screwed.

If the latter is correct, then it means that the media machine can direct public opinion and action as it wishes, and we are screwed.

[PatColo]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/January201291/403360_307239052655258_100001074970735_880950_6480 54216_n.jpg

[mick silver]

this is all about who has the most money . this is how you buy the next leader ... he payed 5 million for ads in sc .Las Vegas billionaire bets big on Gingrich
Read more here: http://www.islandpacket.com/2012/01/21/1936260/las-vegas-billionaire-bets-big.html#storylink=cpy ...The way casino magnate Sheldon Adelson remembers it, he and his wife, Miriam, met then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich in 1995 in the majestic Capitol Rotunda as they made their way through the building while lobbying for a bill to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Nearly two decades later, Gingrich, on the campaign trail, has promised that his first executive order as president would be the embassy move, long a priority of ardent Israel supporters such as the Adelsons.
It would also be a sweet jackpot for the Adelsons, who are the biggest patrons of Gingrich's political career.
Perhaps no other major presidential candidate in recent times has had his fortunes based so squarely on the contributions of a single donor, as Gingrich has on Adelson, who has spent millions in support of Gingrich and his causes over the past five years. In a primary season dominated by the mega-spending of super PACs, Adelson's efforts on Gingrich's behalf provide a window into the expanding influence of the super-rich on American politics.
After putting up the seed money and ultimately $7.7 million between 2006 and 2010 for a nonprofit group that served as a precursor to Gingrich's presidential campaign, Adelson, 78, an irascible Las Vegas billionaire, doubled down this month, giving $5 million to a political action committee run by former close aides to Gingrich.
"My motivation for helping Newt is simple and should not be mistaken for anything other than the fact that my wife Miriam and I hold our friendship with him very dear and are doing what we can as private citizens to support his candidacy," Adelson, who is listed by Forbes as the eighth-wealthiest American, with a net worth of $21.5 billion, said in a prepared statement e-mailed to The Washington Post. He declined interview requests.
The most recent donation to Winning Our Future, a Gingrich-linked super PAC, fueled Gingrich's resurgence before Saturday's primary in South Carolina and bankrolled ads and a half-hour film painting rival Mitt Romney as a job-killing corporate raider. Adelson told associates that he will consider more donations if Gingrich fares well Saturday.
For Gingrich, the check links him even more closely to Adelson (pronounced ADD-el-son), an outspoken businessman known for aggressive tactics. His net worth has increased at least ninefold in the last decade. (The FBI and Securities and Exchange Commission are investigating his company, Las Vegas Sands, in connection with allegations that Adelson ordered an executive to bribe Chinese officials by putting them on the payroll. Adelson and company officials deny the allegations, which they say were first made by a disgruntled former employee.)
Adelson said the check to Gingrich was about fidelity. "Our means of support might be more than others are able to offer," he said, "but like most Americans, words such as friendship and loyalty still mean something to us."
Friends said Adelson and Gingrich share views on Israel, labor and free enterprise. In December, when Gingrich was riding atop the national GOP polls, Adelson was delighted.
"He was extremely proud," Fred Zeidman said last month after he saw Adelson at a board meeting for the U.S. Holocaust Museum, to which the Adelsons are multimillion-dollar donors. "He was very excited about where they were."
Miriam Adelson was born in Israel, and the couple donate to Jewish causes. They have given more than $100 million to Birthright Israel, a charity that pays for Jewish youths to visit Israel.
Adelson has staunchly defended Gingrich to fellow Jews. When Jewish Week wrote a story in May headlined, "Will Gingrich Bomb With Jewish Republicans?" Adelson called up a columnist at the paper to complain. "There is not a better advocate for Israel," Adelson told the columnist.
If Israel first brought brought them together, the relationship was sealed during a crisis for Adelson, said George Harris, who was a consultant for Adelson at the time and now is co-finance chairman of Gingrich's campaign.
A few years after the embassy vote, Harris arranged for Adelson to meet with Gingrich when he was traveling to Nevada for a fundraiser.
A poor cab driver's son born to Ukrainian Jewish immigrants living in Dorchester, Mass., Adelson rose from being a mortgage broker to making hundreds of millions of dollars by selling Comdex, the computer trade show in Las Vegas. He then purchased the old Sands hotel, once the base of Frank Sinatra's Rat Pack, and demolished it in 1996. He broke ground a year later to replace it with an opulent $1.5 billion resort, the 4,000-room Venetian, now the sixth-largest hotel in the world.
Culinary unions were trying to pressure Adelson into accepting a union shop. Harris remembers union protesters picketing in front of the Venetian's preview center with signs saying that if Adelson didn't agree to a contract, "We will wail at your Wailing Wall."
Harris thought a visit with the House speaker would boost Adelson's spirits and raise his stature during the labor dispute. After Gingrich attended fundraising events, the Adelsons and Gingrich had dinner, he said.
"From my perspective, it was all about bringing more national clout to Sheldon," Harris said. "They hit it off. These are two guys who spent the majority of their day trying to think of how to make America great."
The Venetian opened in 1999 -- as a nonunion resort.
Looking to expand his gambling empire, Adelson turned to Asia. The Chinese were looking for a new casino operator for freewheeling Macao, the resurgent former Portuguese colony near Hong Kong that was returned to Chinese control in 1999.
Adelson wanted in, and he was not averse to flexing his political muscle. He later testified in a lawsuit that he called Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, then House majority leader, in 2001 on behalf of Chinese officials concerned that a House resolution on human rights would hurt Beijing's chances to host the 2008 Olympics.
DeLay told him the bill had been put on hold -- and Adelson led the Chinese to believe he had something to do with it, according to testimony in the lawsuit. "Did the Chinese think that (Adelson) had been helpful in the Olympics?" Las Vegas Sands attorney Rusty Hardin told a jury. "Yeah, I'm sure they did."
China awarded Adelson a coveted gambling concession. The Sands Macao opened in 2004.
Two years later, as Adelson was building the 3,000-room Venetian Macao, Gingrich traveled to Hong Kong and Singapore. Gingrich wrote in a column for Human Events about visiting with a casino developer whom he did not name.
"One casino developer I spoke to while I was there is building a billion-dollar-plus casino and resort in Macao, China," Gingrich said. "He summed up one of our core challenges of competing in the global economy: 'I have done two billion-dollar projects in Las Vegas and China in the last few years. The workmanship in China was better and the 62,000 applicants for jobs were more enthusiastic and better qualified.' "
During Gingrich's visit, Las Vegas Sands was selected over three rivals to develop Singapore's first casino resort. An official close to Adelson said that to the best of his knowledge, he was not aware of anything Gingrich ever did for Adelson's casino business.
At the time, Gingrich told the Straits Times in Singapore that he was in Asia to research a novel on World War II.
A spokesman for Adelson said that he was not in Asia at the time.
Regardless, the two men's ties remained strong. And soon they turned financial.
Adelson wrote a check six months after the trip, supplying the $1 million in seed money for a new nonprofit political organization created by Gingrich called American Solutions for Winning the Future.
It was one of only two checks the group received in 2006. The other was for $35,000.
Adelson's first $1 million did not last long.
In less than a year, American Solutions had burned through most of the Adelson money, and by late summer he was solicited for more, according to two former employees and spending reports.
Adelson agreed, but only after the group had amped up its own fundraising. Adelson told American Solutions he would do a dollar-for-dollar match for the "527" group, a nonprofit permitted to engage in some political activities. American Solutions ultimately spent $2 for every $3 raised on administration and fundraising, records show.
Several Gingrich employees, who were not authorized to speak publicly, said they were concerned about how Adelson's money was being spent, particularly for private charter travel that cost from $30,000 to $45,000 a flight.
The employees said that when Gingrich had out-of-town meetings for his for-profit Center for Health Transformation, staff would be asked to find events as well for American Solutions. "American Solutions events were put on the books to have something in the city to pay for airfare," a former official of the group said.
Over five years, the charter jet travel cost $6.6 million.
Gingrich's campaign spokesman, R.C. Hammond, did not respond to written questions for the story. Hammond, who also was previously spokesman for American Solutions, said the 527 group had heard few complaints about high fundraising costs.
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[mick silver]

when a man can buy this many ads for one man it not fair . this race will come down to money

[Libertytree]

EE :"Where do you see RP having a chance of winning a state?"

Caucus states are more viable for us, those outcomes can be somewhat controlled with a planned methodolgy, RP and staff knows how to accomplish this. Obamo used this model in 08.

Next lets look at more favorable primary states, South Dakota, Montana, Texas, Louisiana, Virginia and believe it or not Cali.

[BrewTech]

when a man can buy this many ads for one man it not fair . this race will come down to money

Dude, it's ALWAYS been about money.

[EE_]

This
If the latter is correct, then it means that the media machine can direct public opinion and action as it wishes, and we are screwed.

[Spectrism]

The reality: people are stupid. Stupid hurts. It is good that stupid hurts.
When stupid hurts enough, people will try to be less stupid.

[mick silver]

but brew tech we need to let more people see this an learn this . not everyone is awake yet . thats why i posted this . we have people tht travels to this site to learn . alot dont post they come here to look

[gunDriller]

the concepts that Sheeple cling to are like life-rafts. they cling to the life-raft harder & harder, while the world disintegrates around them.

i could have sworn Ron Paul was doing better in South Carolina than 14%.

did they have any independent exit polling ?

[gunDriller]

I used to live in SC.....don't have anything good to say about it.

How can the people in SC support a Chickenhawk over a pro-life retired Doctor with 5 years of military experience ?

are they that afraid that a Ron Paul presidency would cut their military gravy train ?

[BrewTech]

The reality: people are stupid. Stupid hurts. It is good that stupid hurts.
When stupid hurts enough, people will try to be less stupid.

Ok, then what? What actions will these "less stupid" people take to fix their situation? I'm asking this question seriously.

[BrewTech]

How can the people in SC support a Chickenhawk over a pro-life retired Doctor with 5 years of military experience ?



Who's to say they did?

[Libertytree]

Ok, then what? What actions will these "less stupid" people take to fix their situation? I'm asking this question seriously.

More than likely people won't change anything until they're forced to or there is no other choice. Even common sense things are avoided by people even at their own risk. Homeowners that I've known will know they have a leak in their roof and if it's not running down a main wall that they see daily will put it off and off and off until it does manifest itself into something much worse and bigger.

[Shami-Amourae]

EE :"Where do you see RP having a chance of winning a state?"

Caucus states are more viable for us, those outcomes can be somewhat controlled with a planned methodolgy, RP and staff knows how to accomplish this. Obamo used this model in 08.

Next lets look at more favorable primary states, South Dakota, Montana, Texas, Louisiana, Virginia and believe it or not Cali.

That's actually true. The John and Ken audience (basically everyone who isn't a Liberal in California,) overwhelmingly support Ron Paul.

[BrewTech]

More than likely people won't change anything until they're forced to or there is no other choice. Even common sense things are avoided bas y people even at their own risk. Homeowners that I've known will know they have a leak in their roof and if it's not running down a main wall that they see daily will put it off and off and off until it does manifest itself into something much worse and bigger.

Understood, so I'll ask my question again.

Ok, then what? What actions will these "less stupid" people take to fix their situation...?

[Shami-Amourae]

We have to accept reality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRjmyJFzrU

...Make the best of it. Think about it, you're more intelligent than most people in the world. You can take advantage of that situation in some way, can't you?

[Libertytree]

Understood, so I'll ask my question again.

Ok, then what? What actions will these "less stupid" people take to fix their situation...?

Less stupid will do the same as more stupid, they'll keep doing the same exact things they've always done and keep expecting a different result....insanity defined.

[Spectrism]

Ok, then what? What actions will these "less stupid" people take to fix their situation? I'm asking this question seriously.

You won't like the answer.



When all is hopelessly lost, and when the shackles are applied to all the suddenly less-stupid people, they may, if they are fortunate, still have breath and wit enough to cry out to God for help.

Can anyone here deny that there are supernatural forces working to control the governments of the world? It is so obvious that evil people with wicked intentions have been subverting anything that is good. All institutions of America have been attacked. What is the primary tool? Deception.

[Book]

Founding Fathers didn't want an I.Q Test as a condition to vote.

[JohnQPublic]

Well by my above post I'm showing that the younger generations get more of what's going on than the older ones. Focus on the younger generations. The older generations will stand with this corrupt system to the end since all they care about is getting their check. At the end of the day we will have a age struggle between older generations who want to keep mooching off the younger generations, and the younger generations will wake up to the fact of Socialism and reject it. Why do I say this? Since this is partially how I woke up myself. Most of the Libertarians I know my own age voted for Obama in 2008. There is an awakening going on, but it's pretty much only with the young generation.

I hope you are right SA. I look at the Occupy movement, and though I see it as a good trend, I see a lot of socialist ideas in it. Hopefully this is really the spin put on by the media, but I don't think that is completely the case.

[JohnQPublic]

Funny thing,after all these years of reading posts here and at GIM I always sort of felt that i was talking to people of my generation. Im 45. Was i wrong? Looking at the numbers for RP, it would seem as if my contemporaries are f*cking clueless. That being said, i talk to lots of folks and if i had to guess, most of the pro RP supporters i have run into were around my age. Im confused.

As to the overall results, i guess im not really surprised. This nation is finished. It is no longer about saving it, but rather surviving it ! I think most of the awakened among us get that.

I mentioned a few months ago that I attended a dinner related to one of my kids's schools, and mentioned Ron Paul to a group of professional dads (one was a banker). They did not take Ron Paul seriously at that time. The kind of comments I got, were "he is a nice man, but...". I keep talking to people, and most do not take him too seriously. This is unfortunate. They are be led by the useless media machine, and really do not understand what is happening.

[JohnQPublic]

...the media machine can direct public opinion and action as it wishes, and we are screwed...

Bingo, but DO NOT GIVE UP. Nothing is absolute. David wins sometimes.

[JohnQPublic]

That's actually true. The John and Ken audience (basically everyone who isn't a Liberal in California,) overwhelmingly support Ron Paul.

That is not true, unfortunately. Like I said, I am talking to people about Ron Paul, and am not seeing much support. The good thing is Californians are more (some say too) open minded, and best of all is that our primaries are in June. If Europe collapses in March/April, Californians may wake up, and we have a heck of a lot of delegates.

[millwright]

I mentioned a few months ago that I attended a dinner related to one of my kids's schools, and mentioned Ron Paul to a group of professional dads (one was a banker). They did not take Ron Paul seriously at that time. The kind of comments I got, were "he is a nice man, but...". I keep talking to people, and most do not take him too seriously. This is unfortunate. They are be led by the useless media machine, and really do not understand what is happening.

I talked to a couple of folks last monday in a gas station. I started the conversation. As i remember it, i was railing about the huge spike in petro. Not only did both of these folks get it, but when i mentioned Ron Pauls name they both shook my hand. I WAS ASTOUNDED ! The gal behind the counter was a middle easterner of some type. I would put her age in the late 30s or so. She actually made some very astute points. The guy was my age. They were both very well informed. He actually mentioned that the Fed was debasing our currency by bailing out the banks.

There are way more folks out there that get it then we give credit for . That being said , it is way to late to save this Republic. I admire your comments about not giving up, I really do. But its time to face reality.

As a nation we are way past the point of no return. We are in the last chapters of Orwells fiction. The machine has assumed control.

After many many years of deep thought on the subject, i have come to this conclusion.

RON PAUL IS HARRY SELDON ! ! ! ! THE BEST WE CAN HOPE FOR, IS THAT WE CAN RETURN TO SOME SENSE OF LIBERTY BY THE TIME OUR CHILDRENS CHILDREN ARE COMING OF AGE.

The Galactic Empire is in decline, the only question is, how long will it take to die ?

[Shami-Amourae]

That is not true, unfortunately. Like I said, I am talking to people about Ron Paul, and am not seeing much support. The good thing is Californians are more (some say too) open minded, and best of all is that our primaries are in June. If Europe collapses in March/April, Californians may wake up, and we have a heck of a lot of delegates.

What I meant is there's like 15 people in California STILL who aren't Liberals (me, ximmy, General of Darkness, 4 other people on this forum I forget, Sancho, and Mark Dice.) The few non-Liberals here generally are more Libertarian minded than Conservative (Satanists at TBN don't count), because this is a god forsaken land.

[Libertytree]

What I meant is there's like 15 people in California STILL who aren't Liberals (me, ximmy, General of Darkness, 4 other people on this forum I forget, Sancho, and Mark Dice.) The few non-Liberals here generally are more Libertarian minded than Conservative (Satanists at TBN don't count), because this is a god forsaken land.

But don't lose sight of the fact that there are hundreds if not thousands that are very, very receptive to the freedom message once they've been exposed to it and it would be unreasonable to think that that would be here. Other places depending on their degree of awakeness but least of likely here, not counting lurkers.

[BrewTech]

What I meant is there's like 15 people in California STILL who aren't Liberals (me, ximmy, General of Darkness, 4 other people on this forum I forget, Sancho, and Mark Dice.) The few non-Liberals here generally are more Libertarian minded than Conservative (Satanists at TBN don't count), because this is a god forsaken land.

I'm one of those four other people... thanks for forgetting me...

:'(

[jimswift]

I have pretty much lost any respect I had for South Carolina. It's a beautiful state and seems to be a great place to live, but I question the residents judgement and intelligence at this point.

There has been a massive migration of northern retiree's to SC instead of Florida. I would say the majority of them are loyal, loyal Republican PARTY types. They vote whatever their favorite 'Red Team' pundit tells them.

The fiery 'rebel' spirit SC once had has all but fizzled out. There's golf to be played.

[Neuro]

I'm one of those four other people... thanks for forgetting me...

:'(

You just need to post more, and then you'll be counted as real people. Not that anyone counts anyway. ;)

[Buddha]

So much for the Rebel yell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HsdyXeJoPo