Senator Rand Paul is being detained at the Nashville Airport by the TSA

[Libertytree]

Not much to go on besides this FB post.

https://www.facebook.com/RandPaul2010?sk=wall

[osoab]

Just who are the terrorists now? ???

[Libertytree]

This from Ron Paul.

"My son @SenRandPaul being detained by TSA for refusing full body pat-down after anomaly in body scanner in Nashville."

[madfranks]

Weird, it is written in the third person, while all of his other posts are in the first person. As if someone wrote it for him...

[Shami-Amourae]

Probably by one of his staffers.

[willie pete]

TSA = Mindless Zombie Robots ::)

[PlatinumBlonde]

Weird, it is written in the third person, while all of his other posts are in the first person. As if someone wrote it for him...

It was written by Ron Paul in regard to his son, Rand Paul..

[Shami-Amourae]

I recommend you guys send News Tips to Drudge Report on this. Good way to expose the TSA.

[chad]

this is beyond assinine. detaining senators because they might be terrorists ::)

[Shami-Amourae]

this is beyond assinine. detaining senators because they might be terrorists ::)

Most are actually.

[Awoke]

Hahaha, the Paul family being the exception.

[General of Darkness]

TSA detains Sen. Rand Paul in Nashville (http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/23/report-tsa-detains-sen-rand-paul-in-nashville/)

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Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul’s press secretary Moira Bagley tweeted on Monday that Transportation Security Administration officials were detaining her boss in Nashville, Tenn.
“Just got a call from @senrandpaul,” Bagley tweeted (http://twitter.com/#%21/moirabagley/status/161463071724945408) at about 10 a.m. on Monday. “He’s currently being detained by TSA in Nashville.”
Texas Congressman and current Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul – Sen. Rand Paul’s father – placed a post on Facebook about the news as well. “My son Rand is currently being detained by the TSA at the Nashville Airport,” Ron Paul posted. “I’ll share more details as the situation unfolds.”
Ron Paul adds, via Twitter (http://twitter.com/#%21/RonPaul/status/161468829996826625), that the TSA detained his son “for refusing full body pat-down after anomaly in body scanner.”
Sen. Rand Paul’s Facebook page has a post about the incident too. “Senator Paul is being detained at the Nashville Airport by the TSA,” Sen. Rand Paul’s Facebook post reads. “We will update you as the situation develops.”
Sen. Rand Paul’s chief of staff Doug Stafford told The Daily Caller the Senator “was detained by the TSA after their scanner had an ‘anomaly’ on the first scan.”
“He offered to go through again,” Stafford said in an email. “The TSA said he could only have a full body pat down. He would not consent to it. He offered to go through the scanner again. The situation is ongoing.”
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Sen. Rand Paul has previously referred (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/22/video-sen-rand-paul-tells-tsa-to-end-random-pat-downs/) to the TSA’s use of full body pat downs as the “universality of insult,” and he called on the agency to end the tactic.
“I think you ought to get rid of the random pat-downs,” Sen. Rand Paul said in June 2011. “The American public is unhappy with them, they’re unhappy with the invasiveness of them.”
Spokespeople for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the TSA, have not returned requests for comment.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/23/report-tsa-detains-sen-rand-paul-in-nashville/#ixzz1kIW0cHC1

[MNeagle]

Do they calibrate their meters to ping gold? ;)

Well at least he's flying commercial & not jetting around privately like Pelosi & others... and taking a stand w/ TSA for the WIN!!

[Buddha]

Do they calibrate their meters to ping gold? ;)

Well at least he's flying commercial & not jetting around privately like Pelosi & others... and taking a stand w/ TSA for the WIN!!

Yep, this only makes him look more legitimate.

[chad]

i posted this on my facebook wall. comments are running 90% that "senator paul shouldn't consider himself above the law" and that he should have complied.

[vacuum]

i posted this on my facebook wall. comments are running 90% that "senator paul shouldn't consider himself above the law" and that he should have complied.
wtf? Is he going to sneak a bomb onto the plane?

[Shami-Amourae]

From Ron Paul:


http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/261079_6233046685_630904687_q.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/ronpaul) More info - there was an "anomaly" in Rand's initial body scan, so my son requested to be scanned a second time. TSA demanded a full body pat down and Rand refused.

[Libertytree]

A couple of the comments I saw...

"They found a terrorist document on him, a pocket Constitution"

"The scan revealed a backbone."

[JohnQPublic]

A couple of the comments I saw...

"They found a terrorist document on him, a pocket Constitution"

"The scan revealed a backbone."

I saw a comment on ZH: "They found a Senator that had balls"!

[Hatha Sunahara]

They are trying to discourage him from using commercial planes, and hoping he'll use small planes on which they could arrange an accident. Just a guess.


Hatha

[Libertytree]

They are trying to discourage him from using commercial planes, and hoping he'll use small planes on which they could arrange an accident. Just a guess.


Hatha

I might be mistaken but I believe he sold the prior Ky senators jet and gave that money to the treasury.

[iOWNme]

i posted this on my facebook wall. comments are running 90% that "senator paul shouldn't consider himself above the law" and that he should have complied.

What Law?

[chad]

What Law?

yeah, i know. people are dumb.

[midnight rambler]

What Law?

The law so many (esp. including so-called public servants) hold in utter contempt.


“The Senators and Representatives…shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same….” according to Article I, Section 6 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/constitution-united-states-america/story?id=12510647#.Tx2MtIG8iDk).

[Awoke]

TSA is a private security frim. Not law.

[midnight rambler]

TSA is a private security frim. Not law.

Right, it's 'policy'.

[Spectrism]

Going through a scanner is already a submission to their "authority" at some level. How do we handle security needs for such things? Could we eliminate all security scans? I think not. At some point it becomes a question of probable cause in exerting more invasive searches. I am the opposite. I will not go through their X-ray scanner. As I stand there with minimal covering, just what is it they expect I am carrying? There are many other avenues to get hazardous materials onto the plane... and carrying them on one going through a checkpoint is not one.

[mick silver]

i heard he been water boarded . he has been moved to a over sea country and been ask why he didnt like to have his ass played with

[chad]

just heard on abc news that they re-scanned, and they put him on a different flight.

[midnight rambler]

TSA claims "We didn't detain Sen. Paul" yet the fact remains that they ARRESTED his forward progress.

[iOWNme]

How about this Law that the TSA has violated:

Article I, Sec VI:

“The Senators and Representatives…shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same….”

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

TSA = Agent, not Officer

Not making arrests

Will probably tell him afterwards that he was never detained

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

What Law?

ya beat me

+1

[madfranks]

Do they calibrate their meters to ping gold? ;)

Well at least he's flying commercial & not jetting around privately like Pelosi & others... and taking a stand w/ TSA for the WIN!!

No kidding! Both Ron and Rand Paul are of the people, not like the first bitch Michelle "monkey face" Obama staging a visit to a Target store with cameras everywhere to prove "she's just like us!".

[Spectrism]

TSA = Agent, not Officer

Not making arrests

Will probably tell him afterwards that he was never detained

At the first hint of trouble, these pretend guards call in actual police. Then the cops give you the routine.

[vacuum]

Any update? He can't possibly still be detained..

You've essentially got the president detaining a senator...

[mightymanx]

From the comments section of one of the articles on this:



welcometospartan says:
January 23, 2012 at 2:23 pm (http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-slams-out-of-control-police-state-after-rand-paul-detained-by-tsa/comment-page-1/#comment-2979610)
If a real terrorist want it to take down a plane they will do the same thing the navy did on fly 800 out of new york ,they will blow it out of the sky.this is to control you and teach you to obey,THE TERRORIST IS THE GOVERMENT AND THESE TSA MOTHER FUCKERS AND EVERYONE SAYING THIS IS TO PROTECT US ,THE TERRORIST ARE IN THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE MILITARY IN THE SENATE IN THE CONGRES IN YOUR LOCAL POICE STATION,THE TERRORIST ARE IN THE FBI,CIA,DOT,DHS,ICE,DEA,ATF,THE TERRORIST ARE TERRORISING THE NATION AND WE ARE TAKING ALL THE BULL SHIT WE SHOULD BE FUCKING TAKING UP ARMS AND KILLING ALL THESE MOTHER FUCKERS AND TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK TO FLY WITOUT A FUCKING ID,WE NEED TO GO BACK TO FREEDOM ,WE NEED TO HANG AND BURY ALL THESE FUCKING NAZIS EUGENICS MOTHER FUCKERS THAT ARE DESTROYING THE NATION “FUCK YOU MOTHER FUCKERS WE ARE GOING TO KILL ALL OF YOU SCUM BAGS AND EVERYONE SUPPORTING THIS AGENDA.THEY ARE NOT PROTECTING ANYTHING THEY ARE TURNING THIS COUNTRY INTO NORTH KOREA . WHAT THAT FUCK ARE WE WAITING FOR TO START KILLING THESE EUGENIC MOTHER FUCKERS. THEY ARE THE TERRORIST KILLING INOCENT AND DESTROYING COUNTRY WITH YOUR MONEY YOU IDIOTS. DAMM IT MAN HOW FUCKING BLIND EVEYONE IS WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING ALREADY THEY HAVE TAKING ALL THE FREEDOM AND ARE INJECTING FEAR IN THE WHOLE NATION. THE BRAVES ARE TURN INTO FUCKING COWARDS.
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-slams-out-of-control-police-state-after-rand-paul-detained-by-tsa/


My synopsis;

Either a GSUS member is going to dissapear soon or people are starting to catch, on either way bravo!!!

[MNeagle]

just heard on abc news that they re-scanned, and they put him on a different flight.

12:04 per Chad

[horseshoe3]

Any update? He can't possibly still be detained..

You've essentially got the president detaining a senator...

Hey, if it was OK in 1861, it's OK now. Detaining senators because they don't like tyranny is nothing new.

[midnight rambler]

Those who 'detained' (I say arrested, as they ARRESTED Sen. Paul's forward progress FOR TWO HOURS) apparently were NOT 'officers' and yet they were "barking" orders at him. Silence is acceptance.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/23/rand-paul-on-tsa-detainment-i-was-barked-at-do-not-leave-the-cubicle/

[midnight rambler]

I'm thinking that Sen. Paul could have handled this in a way more favorable to him, seeing as how they are PROHIBITED by the law of the land from arresting him under the circumstances: He should have said, "I'm a member of the US Senate on official business - am I under arrest?" to which they would have HAD to have said, "No." Then he should have said, "So I take it I'm free to leave." and then make his departure OUT of the 'security zone' which he could have then re-entered for another pass through the scannner which is all he was really asking for. JMO

Sen. Paul should take some lessons on 'How to effectively deal with TSA varmints* and live to tell about it" from Spectrism. lol

*calling that pond scum thugs is an insult to thugs

[SWRichmond]

It is still my understanding that there are three possible categories of interactions between police and civilians which are possible: Voluntary, Terry Stop, and arrest.

Has the Supreme Court ruled otherwise?

If not, then what exactly does it mean to "be detained"? It seems the "authorities" are trying to create a new classification for their intervention:" "detention." NDAA included "military detention." Has the Supreme Court ever ruled on TSA's right to "detain" anyone, and if so, from where does the authority flow? The SC has already ruled AFAIK that a Terry Stop can be for no more than about 15 minutes.

[iOWNme]

Rand Paul was on the Zio Blitzer show about the TSA incident. Rand says he is just learning that they have 'random' screenings and pat downs. He says the head of the TSA Pistole said you can go back through a screening if it goes off, and that there was no random screenings. Blitzer tries to say they contacted the TSA and asked them about this, and that the TSA said 'NO", implying that Rand is lying. Rand uses logic and common sense to destroy Wolfy and his Zio Propaganda Protocols.

Rand did bring up some type of 'frequent flyer or trusted traveler' program where you can submit to a background check, and then be able to go through screening.. - WTF!!!!!!!! Then ZIO wolf goes into a whole diatribe about how many other cities tried this and it works great! Then asks Rand, 'How can we implement this nationwide".

Then it turns into a 'They are just doing their jobs' and its the 'higher ups'. Dont blame the individual, etc.. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH....Rand of course agrees.

Rand, i never really got a good vibe from you in the past and i think i know why.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXBg11JiB14&feature=player_embedded

[Book]

He should have said, "I'm a member of the US Senate on official business...



NBC News tonight had airport bystanders insisting that he should be treated like everybody else. Basically depicting him as Elitist.

[horseshoe3]

They are right. He should be treated like everybody else. Noone should be subjected to public groping.

[Neuro]

Rand Paul was on the Zio Blitzer show about the TSA incident. Rand says he is just learning that they have 'random' screenings and pat downs. He says the head of the TSA Pistole said you can go back through a screening if it goes off, and that there was no random screenings. Blitzer tries to say they contacted the TSA and asked them about this, and that the TSA said 'NO", implying that Rand is lying. Rand uses logic and common sense to destroy Wolfy and his Zio Propaganda Protocols.
Rand did bring up some type of 'frequent flyer or trusted traveler' program where you can submit to a background check, and then be able to go through screening.. - WTF!!!!!!!! Then ZIO wolf goes into a whole diatribe about how many other cities tried this and it works great! Then asks Rand, 'How can we implement this nationwide".

Then it turns into a 'They are just doing their jobs' and its the 'higher ups'. Dont blame the individual, etc.. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH....Rand of course agrees.

Rand, i never really got a good vibe from you in the past and i think i know why.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXBg11JiB14&feature=player_embedded
That is pretty damning in my opinion too!

[vacuum]

Can't watch it. Even discussing it in that manner is legitimizing it.

[Libertytree]

Rand Paul was on the Zio Blitzer show about the TSA incident. Rand says he is just learning that they have 'random' screenings and pat downs. He says the head of the TSA Pistole said you can go back through a screening if it goes off, and that there was no random screenings. Blitzer tries to say they contacted the TSA and asked them about this, and that the TSA said 'NO", implying that Rand is lying. Rand uses logic and common sense to destroy Wolfy and his Zio Propaganda Protocols.

Rand did bring up some type of 'frequent flyer or trusted traveler' program where you can submit to a background check, and then be able to go through screening.. - WTF!!!!!!!! Then ZIO wolf goes into a whole diatribe about how many other cities tried this and it works great! Then asks Rand, 'How can we implement this nationwide".

Then it turns into a 'They are just doing their jobs' and its the 'higher ups'. Dont blame the individual, etc.. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH....Rand of course agrees.

Rand, i never really got a good vibe from you in the past and i think i know why.



First of all, Wolfy answered his own question, it was cities that solved the problem and not a national solution.

But from here is where our opinions differ... I know it's not GSUS PC to say something like "I was just following orders" or some such, and I agree I could not go that path but those people aren't us and at the very least are just making a living, as sorry as an excuse it is, at least to us.

But to turn it as a black mark onto Rand is reaching in this case...hell, he could have just went along to get along today but he didn't and in the process he fostered the idea to stand up and be a PITA.

If anything his stock went up with me today!

[Mouse]

People need to travel. It is one of our god-given rights. Whether we travel to do the Lord's or satan's work, we all have the right to free travel. This is where we are now ensnared in a trap with body pats or radiation screening. My airport has no naked scanner. This morning I was "randomed" for extra fucking with and I notice that the lady running the xray baggage machine is the same lady that tried to psyop me and chat me up a month ago, to whom I told "my business is none of your business" and was let pass. Now I get the special treatment. It was only to re-run my bags and computers and to scan my hands and my bags for traces of whatever-the-fuck. I told them each in line that they should be ashamed of themselves. I am sure that I will be fucked with in the future. When you tell them to their face that they wear plastic badges of no consequence and are losers - if everyone would do that and shame them, then perhaps we would have something.

Otherwise we need someone with executive order ability to bring this shit down. These fucking moron thugs really believe they have a purpose.

[Neuro]

Mouse I agree with you in principle, short term though they are just going to hire more brainless thugs to fuck with people, as people resist, like bacteria in a Petri Dish, it will in the longer run lead to a quicker colony collapse, by taking away the nutrition (passengers), for the bacteria (thugs) to get a living off. Probably in the end it will be more goons than passengers...

[Spectrism]

Rand seems to fail on understanding principles. He already forfeits his rights by stepping into a scanner and endorsing repeated scans- when there is no probable cause for a search. His idea of allowing frequent flyers or "trusted travellers" to bypass these searches.... but let's violate the rights of CERTAIN people who are less than equal under the law.

Rand is a disappointment.

No real men left in this country. The elite have ensured that boys and girls are carefully chosen to represent the mindless masses.

[Grog]

Rand seems to fail on understanding principles. He already forfeits his rights by stepping into a scanner and endorsing repeated scans- when there is no probable cause for a search. His idea of allowing frequent flyers or "trusted travellers" to bypass these searches.... but let's violate the rights of CERTAIN people who are less than equal under the law.

Rand is a disappointment.

No real men left in this country. The elite have ensured that boys and girls are carefully chosen to represent the mindless masses.

I told my friends as much yesterday.

If he wanted to prove a point, he would have ignored TSA and walked through the checkpoint (or attempted to do so).

They would have grabbed him, and he could have quoted Section 1 Article 6 of the Constitution and said you have no authority over me, "I'm a Senator on the way to DC."

They would have tossed him in the clink anyway.

Then there would have been a suit and the TSA couldn't say "he was never detained." Constitutional separation of powers would have been brought to the forefront. It could have been a cool Supreme Court case.

Instead it is one day of page two news.

I see it as a publicity stunt for fund raising for his father. Not that I'm against him helping his dad, just saying that it was not the altruistic action he professes. It wasn't about you and me.

And yes, I agree with the scanning as well. He should have refused the scan, the pat down, the search, etc. It is all bogus, not just the pat down. Half assed IMO. An illusion of taking a risk.

[Libertytree]

I told my friends as much yesterday.

If he wanted to prove a point, he would have ignored TSA and walked through the checkpoint (or attempted to do so).

They would have grabbed him, and he could have quoted Section 1 Article 6 of the Constitution and said you have no authority over me, "I'm a Senator on the way to DC."

They would have tossed him in the clink anyway.

Then there would have been a suit and the TSA couldn't say "he was never detained." Constitutional separation of powers would have been brought to the forefront. It could have been a cool Supreme Court case.

Instead it is one day of page two news.

I see it as a publicity stunt for fund raising for his father. Not that I'm against him helping his dad, just saying that it was not the altruistic action he professes. It wasn't about you and me.

And yes, I agree with the scanning as well. He should have refused the scan, the pat down, the search, etc. It is all bogus, not just the pat down. Half assed IMO. An illusion of taking a risk.

And according to the SC's interpretation this instance would fall short and he'd not have gained a thing.

I totally understand and would have liked him to have done exactly what you described but Article 6 is useless in this case...again, according to their prior rulings.

[Grog]

And according to the SC's interpretation this instance would fall short and he'd not have gained a thing.

And he gained little or nothing from this stunt either. I looked upon it as showboating. It lacked substance and he actually lost favor in my mind. He is like the guy punching the throttle and burning rubber when the light turns green... A lot of noise and smoke but it didn't change my life one bit.

Maybe he will suprise me and file a suit against the TSA tomorrow... I doubt it though.

BTW: From a historical standpoint, do you have references/links to the prior SC rulings? I want to read them.

[Libertytree]

It only applies to actions during their attendance at the session of their respective House. The courts have ruled on this immunity before and it's very, very narrow. It's called the "Speech or Debate Clause" and is intended to prevent a President or other officials of the executive branch from having members arrested on a pretext to prevent them from voting a certain way or otherwise taking actions with which the President might disagree. It is not immunity from detention, arrest or prosecution.

Members of the United States Congress enjoy a similar parliamentary privilege as members of the British Parliament; that is, they cannot be prosecuted for anything they say on the floor of the House or Senate. They also enjoy the right to be present in Congress: that is, they may be in prison or jail the rest of the time, but they have the right to attend Congressional sessions, speak on the floor, vote, etc. These rights are specified in the Constitution and have been fairly uncontroversial in U.S. history. Courts have consistently interpreted them very narrowly.


Gravel v. United States, 408 U.S. 606 (1972), was a case regarding the protections offered by the Speech or Debate Clause of the United States Constitution. In the case, the Supreme Court of the United States held that the privileges and immunities of the Constitution's Speech or Debate Clause enjoyed by members of Congress also extend to Congressional aides, but not to activity outside the legislative process.

[Grog]

Gravel v. United States, 408 U.S. 606 (1972), was a case regarding the protections offered by the Speech or Debate Clause of the United States Constitution. In the case, the Supreme Court of the United States held that the privileges and immunities of the Constitution's Speech or Debate Clause enjoyed by members of Congress also extend to Congressional aides, but not to activity outside the legislative process.


This would be very different than Gravel v. United States IMO. The hypothetical presented had dissimilar circumstances. Not to mention the original ruling was 5-4.

[Awoke]

Right on, Grog.