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Ares
30th January 2012, 01:37 PM
WASHINGTON – The Justice Department is funding an unusual national training program to help police deal with an increasing number of volatile confrontations involving highly trained and often heavily armed combat veterans.

Developers of the pilot program, to be launched at 15 U.S. sites this year, said there is an "urgent need" to de-escalate crises in which even SWAT teams may be facing tactical disadvantages against mentally ill suspects who also happen to be trained in modern warfare.

"We just can't use the blazing-guns approach anymore when dealing with disturbed individuals who are highly trained in all kinds of tactical operations, including guerrilla warfare," said Dennis Cusick, executive director of the Upper Midwest Community Policing Institute. "That goes beyond the experience of SWAT teams."

Cusick, who is developing the program along with institute training director William Micklus, said local authorities have a better chance of defusing violent confrontations by immediately engaging suspects in discussions about their military experience — not with force.

The aim, Micklus said, is to try to reconnect them with "a sense of integrity" lost in the fog of emotional distress.

"You can't win by trying to out-combat them,'' Cusick said. "You emphasize what it means to be a Marine, a soldier to people who now feel out of control."

There is no data that specifically tracks police confrontations with suspects currently or formerly associated with the military. But an Army report issued this year found that violent felonies in the service were up 1% while non-violent felonies increased 11% between 2010 and 2011.

During that time, however, crime in much of the nation declined.

"What we're seeing is that the volume (of violent incidents involving military personnel off base) has ratcheted up to a level we have never seen before," Cusick said.

Much of the anecdotal evidence reads like the report of the Jan. 13 standoff between Army Staff Sgt. Joshua Eisenhauer, 30, a veteran of multiple combat tours, and Fayetteville, N.C., police and firefighters.

A 911 call from an apartment complex manager revealed that Eisenhauer was allegedly barricaded inside one of the apartments exchanging gunfire with police.

Although the suspect was not specifically identified as a soldier, the apartment manager told a police dispatcher that the suspect was "under psychiatric care," according to the 911 call.

According to Fort Bragg records, Eisenhauer had been assigned to the post's Warrior Transition Battalion, a unit for soldiers who have been wounded or suffered other illnesses as a result of their deployment, Womack Army Medical Center spokeswoman Shannon Lynch said.

Eisenhauer, who was wounded in the standoff along with two police officers, is charged with 30 criminal counts, including 15 counts of attempted murder.

Darrel Stephens, executive director of the Major Cities (Police) Chiefs Association, said the type of training proposed by the Justice Department represents "one piece of the challenge'' in dealing with an increasing number of mentally ill suspects.

"This has been a challenge for a number of years in our communities," Stephens said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-01-24/police-training-combative-veterans/52794974/1

Heimdhal
30th January 2012, 01:44 PM
The natural progression of this is of course " highly trained" militia members and "lone wolf" types, and then civilian marskmen and sport shooters.

Ares
30th January 2012, 01:48 PM
So what he's saying is: 'We usually just go in and shoot the fuck out of anyone who's home including the dog.' 'But now that experienced people might shoot back we have to preserve our manpower.'

Yeah that pretty much sums it up to a "T".

Hatha Sunahara
30th January 2012, 02:12 PM
How does this relate to the NDAA? The NDAA lets the president detain (and disappear) ALL Americans without trial or due process. Seems like excessive overkill to deal with this veterans gone psycho problem. I think most of the veterans who would go psycho have an easy adaptive move they can make, and many do--they join the police force, which gives them a license to murder people without any accountability whatsoever.

The NDAA is more akin to the Night and Fog practices of Nazi Germany, and the GPU roundups of Soviet Russia to purge the society of anyone who dares to express an iota of opposition to the regime.

Here's a little background on Night and Fog


The Night and Fog Decree

On December 7, 1941, Hitler issued "Nacht und Nebel" – the Night and Fog Decree.
This decree replaced the unsuccessful Nazi policy of taking hostages to undermine Underground activities. Suspected Underground agents and others would now vanish without a trace into the night and fog.
SS-Reichsführer Himmler issued the following instructions to the Gestapo.
"After lengthy consideration, it is the will of the Führer that the measures taken against those who are guilty of offenses against the Reich or against the occupation forces in occupied areas should be altered. The Führer is of the opinion that in such cases penal servitude or even a hard labor sentence for life will be regarded as a sign of weakness. An effective and lasting deterrent can be achieved only by the death penalty or by taking measures which will leave the family and the population uncertain as to the fate of the offender. Deportation to Germany serves this purpose."
Field Marshall Keitel also issued a letter stating�
"Efficient and enduring intimidation can only be achieved either by capital punishment or by measures by which the relatives of the criminals do not know the fate of the criminal�The prisoners are, in future, to be transported to Germany secretly, and further treatment of the offenders will take place here; these measures will have a deterrent effect because: A. The prisoners will vanish without a trace. B. No information may be given as to their whereabouts or their fate."
Victims of the Night and Fog Decree were mostly from France, Belgium and Holland. They were usually arrested in the middle of the night and quickly taken to prisons hundreds of miles away for questioning and torture, eventually arriving at the concentration camps of Natzweiler or Gross-Rosen, if they survived.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/thin-blue-700.jpg
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/nacht.htm


Hatha

midnight rambler
30th January 2012, 02:39 PM
So what he's saying is: 'We usually just go in and shoot the fuck out of anyone who's home including the dog.' 'But now that experienced people might shoot back we have to preserve our manpower.'

Touché

sirgonzo420
30th January 2012, 02:54 PM
"support our troops", eh?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Carbon
30th January 2012, 03:55 PM
"You can't win by trying to out-combat them,'' Cusick said. "You emphasize what it means to be a Marine, a soldier to people who now feel out of control."


Bah... they used this tactic in Rambo thirty years ago and in the movie not one American had to lose even one right because a vet went round the bend.

osoab
30th January 2012, 04:19 PM
So what he's saying is: 'We usually just go in and shoot the fuck out of anyone who's home including the dog.' 'But now that experienced people might shoot back we need to save our own asses while still collecting our guaranteed pay and bennies.'

fify

Although I thought you summed up the doublespeak very well, I thought more of the true meaning need to be called out.