Rick "frothy" Santorum PLEASED with HIGH cost of prescription drugs

[Old Herb Lady]

He's got da Zionist mentality down to a T !



Rick Santorum Tells Sick Kid---------- Market Should Set Drug Prices






WOODLAND PARK, Colo. - GOP contender Rick Santorum had a heated exchange with a mother and her sick young son Wednesday, arguing that drug companies were entitled to charge whatever the market demanded for life-saving therapies.

Santorum, himself the father of a child with a rare genetic disorder, compared buying drugs to buying an iPad, and said demand would determine the cost of medical therapies.

"People have no problem paying $900 for an iPad," Santorum said, "but paying $900 for a drug they have a problem with - it keeps you alive. Why? Because you've been conditioned to think health care is something you can get without having to pay for it."

The mother said the boy was on the drug Abilify, used to treat schizophrenia, and that, on paper, its costs would exceed $1 million each year.

Santorum said drugs take years to develop and cost millions of dollars to produce, and manufacturers need to turn a profit or they would stop developing new drugs.

"You have that drug, and maybe you're alive today because people have a profit motive to make that drug," Santorum said. "There are many people sick today who, 10 years from now, are going to be alive because of some drug invented in the next 10 years. If we say: 'You drug companies are greedy and bad, you can't make a return on your money,' then we will freeze innovation."

Santorum told a large Tea Party crowd here that he sympathized with the boy's case, but he also believed in the marketplace.

"He's alive today because drug companies provide care," Santorum said. "And if they didn't think they could make money providing that drug, that drug wouldn't be here. I sympathize with these compassionate cases. … I want your son to stay alive on much-needed drugs. Fact is, we need companies to have incentives to make drugs. If they don't have incentives, they won't make those drugs. We either believe in markets or we don't."



http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/rick-santorum-tells-sick-kid-market-set-drug-004745384--abc-news.html

[Osaka]

What did Santorum say that you disagree with?

[Old Herb Lady]

You're joking, right ?

[Osaka]

No, I'm not. What did Santorum say (in the article above) that you disagree with?

[Old Herb Lady]

650 BILLION in profits !!




Celebrex 100 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60
Percent markup: 21,712%

Claritin 10 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $215.17
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.71
Percent markup: 30,306%

Keflex 250 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $157.39
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.88
Percent markup: 8,372%

Lipitor 20 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $272.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $5.80
Percent markup: 4,696%

Norvasc 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $188.29
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.14
Percent markup: 134,493%

Paxil 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $220.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $7.60
Percent markup: 2,898%

Prevacid 30 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $44.77
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.01
Perecent markup: 34,136%

Prilosec 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $360.97
Cost of general active ingredients $0.52
Percent markup: 69,417%

Prozac 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $247.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.11
Percent markup: 224,973%

Tenormin 50 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $104.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.13
Percent markup: 80,362%

Vasotec 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $102.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.20
Percent markup: 51,185%

Xanax 1 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024
Percent markup: 569,958%

Zestril 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) $89.89
Cost of general active ingredients $3.20
Percent markup: 2,809%

Zithromax 600 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $1,482.19
Cost of general active ingredients: $18.78
Percent markup: 7,892%

Zocor 40 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $350.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $8.63
Percent markup: 4,059%

Zoloft 50 mg
Consumer price: $206.87
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.75
Percent markup: 11,821%

[Old Herb Lady]

No, I'm not. What did Santorum say (in the article above) that you disagree with?


Everything he said. Everything.

[Osaka]

Do you believe "health care is something you can get without having to pay for it"?

[horseshoe3]

650 BILLION in profits !!


Mostly because the price is NOT set by the market. Between direct government interference, and indirect government interference through the insurance companies, the price has been skewed. If people had to pay for their own drugs, the prices would immediately plummet and the huge profits would disappear.

[Old Herb Lady]

I believe that he can afford the $900 medication : the average working-class person cannot. EVEN WITH HEALTHCARE .

[vacuum]

This is an example of capitalism fixing a problem which it caused in the first place. Large corporations are allowed to pollute the environment and add poison to the food supply. Then drug companies sell these expensive drugs.

If the FDA wasn't criminalizing herbs, authorizing chemicals which are banned in other places to be in the food supply, and allowing drugs onto the market from the large companies which had dangerous side effects, then we could perhaps have a conversation about the validity of Scrontorum's argument.

But when it's illegal to sell raw milk, he's being biased. He's upholding their rights while not upholding other's rights.

[Osaka]

"I believe that he can afford the $900 medication : the average working-class person cannot. EVEN WITH HEALTHCARE . "

Do you believe everyone in the US should receive the same level of health care, regardless of their net worth?

[Old Herb Lady]

"I believe that he can afford the $900 medication : the average working-class person cannot. EVEN WITH HEALTHCARE . "

Do you believe everyone in the US should receive the same level of health care, regardless of their net worth?


I am fvcking saying that the fvcking cost of a fvcking medication shouldn't be one million dollars per year for the kids medication !!!!!!
Get over your socialism line of questioning.

[horseshoe3]

OHL, I would think that you, of all people, would not care if people can't afford the prices that big pharma wants to charge. If someone can't afford the drugs, they are more likely to look into natural cures. That would be better for them, the environment and the economy. The only people that would lose is big pharma.

[Osaka]

I am fvcking saying that the fvcking cost of a fvcking medication shouldn't be one million dollars per year for the kids medication !!!!!!
Get over your socialism line of questioning.

Who do you believe should set the price of drugs?

[Old Herb Lady]

What kind of drugs are you people on on here ? Seriously ?

You people had seriously better do your research on the history of pharmaceutical drugs & profits .

This has NOTHING to do with natural cures. I'm talking about how BIG Pharma is MAKING MONEY OFF OF SICK DESPERATE PEOPLE .

[Old Herb Lady]

Who do you believe should set the price of drugs?


What percentage of profit is acceptable to you ?

[ximmy]

650 BILLION in profits !!




Celebrex 100 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60
Percent markup: 21,712%

Claritin 10 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $215.17
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.71
Percent markup: 30,306%

Keflex 250 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $157.39
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.88
Percent markup: 8,372%

Lipitor 20 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $272.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $5.80
Percent markup: 4,696%

Norvasc 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $188.29
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.14
Percent markup: 134,493%

Paxil 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $220.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $7.60
Percent markup: 2,898%

Prevacid 30 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $44.77
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.01
Perecent markup: 34,136%

Prilosec 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $360.97
Cost of general active ingredients $0.52
Percent markup: 69,417%

Prozac 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $247.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.11
Percent markup: 224,973%

Tenormin 50 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $104.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.13
Percent markup: 80,362%

Vasotec 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $102.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.20
Percent markup: 51,185%

Xanax 1 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024
Percent markup: 569,958%

Zestril 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) $89.89
Cost of general active ingredients $3.20
Percent markup: 2,809%

Zithromax 600 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $1,482.19
Cost of general active ingredients: $18.78
Percent markup: 7,892%

Zocor 40 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $350.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $8.63
Percent markup: 4,059%

Zoloft 50 mg
Consumer price: $206.87
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.75
Percent markup: 11,821%

Do you need drugs & are poor or unemployed?? No worries, we'll let the tax paying workers of America pick up the tab... Mark them up boys... :)

[zap]

This is an example of capitalism fixing a problem which it caused in the first place. Large corporations are allowed to pollute the environment and add poison to the food supply. Then drug companies sell these expensive drugs.

If the FDA wasn't criminalizing herbs, authorizing chemicals which are banned in other places to be in the food supply, and allowing drugs onto the market from the large companies which had dangerous side effects, then we could perhaps have a conversation about the validity of Scrontorum's argument.



But when it's illegal to sell raw milk, he's being biased. He's upholding their rights while not upholding other's rights.


I agree with you 100%

[Osaka]

What percentage of profit is acceptable to you ?

10% to 15% of all costs, including research, development, testing, marketing and the actual raw materials. Also the shared cost of research and development of drugs which do not work, and have to be abandoned.

Now, I'll ask again, who do you believe should set the price of drugs?

[horseshoe3]

Do you need drugs & are poor or unemployed?? No worries, we'll let the tax paying workers of America pick up the tab... Mark them up boys... :)

Yah, what I said.

But you said it much more eloquently.

[horseshoe3]

What kind of drugs are you people on on here ? Seriously ?

You people had seriously better do your research on the history of pharmaceutical drugs & profits .

This has NOTHING to do with natural cures. I'm talking about how BIG Pharma is MAKING MONEY OFF OF SICK DESPERATE PEOPLE .

They're NOT making money off of sick, desperate people. They're making money off of the government and using sick, desperate people as pawns.

This is not the fault of capitalism. In a capitalist system, prices could never go that high because individuals could never pay it. Only in socialism or corporatism could an industry get away with this.

[madfranks]

Mostly because the price is NOT set by the market. Between direct government interference, and indirect government interference through the insurance companies, the price has been skewed. If people had to pay for their own drugs, the prices would immediately plummet and the huge profits would disappear.

Exactly. Without gov't protection, subsidies, directives, regulations, etc., modern drugs would be cheaply mass produced and sold for much, much less than they are getting away with under the current system.

I don't remember the name of the medication but a year or so ago there were a handful of companies making a drug that remedied a common complication during pregnancy; it was available for about $10, until the FDA granted a monopoly to only one company to make it, and once they were the only ones allowed to make it they raised the price to like $800 per treatment.

One more thing, on mises.org a while back they did an article imagining what would happen to food prices if there were universal "food insurance", and it's a great way to understand just how different things would be if we didn't have a socialist healthcare system - http://mises.org/daily/4549

[Old Herb Lady]

So does frothy have any plans for re-vamping the system ?




Congressman Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Legalize Drug Re-Importation Through Online Pharmacies

On January 19, 2011, in Drug Prices, by Gabriel Levitt, Vice President, PharmacyChecker.com
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We recently reported that Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IW) voiced his vehement support for legalizing drug importation to lower brand name drug prices, in an attempt to bring greater fairness to the market. We’re now pleased to report the first bill of the year calling for the reform of our nation’s current laws that seem to protect the pharmaceutical industry to the detriment of the American consumer.

On January 5th, 2011, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) introduced the Prescription Drug Affordability Act, which would amend the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. We applaud the bill’s intent because it seeks to do away with unfair trade laws and policies applied to drug pricing by allowing Americans to purchase lower cost prescription drugs safely from other countries without the threat of prosecution. Congressman Paul has introduced similarly named bills in prior years that have not become law. As the need for affordable medication is now greater than ever, H.R. 147 should stand a better chance at becoming law.

If passed into law, the bill, H.R. 147, would repeal the provisions in the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (FDCA) that ban the importation of prescription drugs (by anyone except the drug manufacturer) that were once exported – referred to as “re-importation” – from the United States.

The bill is only about 800 words long, but due to the complexity of the amended laws its provisions will be subject to different interpretations if passed. For instance, by amending, specifically, the “re-importation” section of the FDCA, the focus seems to be on drugs that were approved for sale in the United States, physically stored in the United States, and then exported for sale in another country. On the other hand, the bill’s provisions also seem to allow any person to become a registered importer of prescription drugs as long as the drugs are approved by the FDA. In this case, since many popular drugs approved by the FDA are manufactured overseas and sold in foreign pharmacies, perhaps importing drugs from foreign pharmacies would become technically legal as well.

In terms of online pharmacies, what is most interesting about the bill is that it bans the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and subsequently the Food and Drug Administration, from taking any action against a person who imports prescription drugs, within the parameters of the FDCA through an order placed on the Internet. This provision seems to codify current practice in which individuals who import non-controlled prescription drugs, ordered from online pharmacies, for personal use are not being prosecuted.

[Osaka]

Who, or what, do you believe should set the price of drugs?

[Old Herb Lady]

Who do you believe should set the price of drugs?



A non-corrupted person who doesn't get a share of the profit.

[Osaka]

A non-corrupted person who doesn't get a share of the profit.

OK. And what should that person take into consideration when he/she chooses the price for the drug? In other words, how should he/she choose a price?

[BrewTech]

Osaka works for BigPharma.

*Note taken*

[Osaka]

Osaka works for BigPharma.

*Note taken*

Untrue, by the way.

[MAGNES]

Who, or what, do you believe should set the price of drugs?

Last time I checked some major lists on industry profits
pharmaceuticals were top on the list, as a group they
earned a margin very similar to MSFT, this is an Oligopoly,
a huge amount of their resources is spent on lobbying and
advertising/marketing programs, paying off doctors, this
industry is fucked up beyond belief, to call it " free market "
is a joke, the bankers run this industry, read Eustace Mullins.
They give everyone cancer and disease poisoning peoples
bodies and impede real health initiatives.

Osaka ? Do you read here or what ?

edit add,
They poison and kill more people than they save, I strongly believe that.
Drugs, vaccines, food additives, I don't believe for one second the food
additives get into the food supply by accident, it is the Rockefeller Trusts
at the top managing, and they do control through various means many
large companies.

Also they are globalist, through transfer costs they hide profits offshore.
Like everyone else, it would be hard for me to believe they don't considering
they are of most corrupt organizations.



How should that person decide the price of a drug?
The free market certainly does not in such a corrupted industry.

[Osaka]

Osaka ? Do you read here or what ?

What?

[Osaka]

Old Herb Lady,

How should that person decide the price of a drug?

[Old Herb Lady]

Last time I checked some major lists on industry profits
pharmaceuticals were top on the list, as a group they
earned a margin very similar to MSFT, this is an Oligopoly,
a huge amount of their resources is spent on lobbying and
advertising/marketing programs, paying off doctors, this
industry is fucked up beyond belief, to call it " free market "
is a joke, the bankers run this industry, read Eustace Mullins.
They give everyone cancer and disease poisoning peoples
bodies and impede real health initiatives.

Osaka ? Do you read here or what ?



People are paying BIG MONEY for the industry to poison them & kill them but they keep going to it like a pig to the slaughter.

[Osaka]

Old Herb Lady,

How should that person decide the price of a drug?

[Old Herb Lady]

Old Herb Lady,

How should that person decide the price of a drug?

They should talk to the good-hearted, genuine folks at the American Herbalist Guild or AANC who help people to become educated on healing their own bodies
and see how much the herbs/food cost for healing the UNDERLYING cause of the dis-ease and then charge the exact same price for the pharmaceutical drug
that only covers up the symptoms and heals nothing .

$ 100 antibiotic ?
now would be 20 bucks MAX

So u work for the FDA then ?

[Old Herb Lady]

Stop repeating yo self

[Old Herb Lady]

Osaka, stoppa repeatin' yaw self . Good Night ! I have a very busy life . We chat when I have more time for the government .

[Osaka]

So u work for the FDA then ?

No, I don't.

So, according to your plan, the drugs would only cost as much as the herbs/food needed to cure the problem.

And drug companies would not be compensated in any way for doing research, development or testing of new drugs. And drug companies would make no profit at all. Is that correct?

[ximmy]

No, I don't.

So, according to your plan, the drugs would only cost as much as the herbs/food needed to cure the problem.

And drug companies would not be compensated in any way for doing research, development or testing of new drugs. And drug companies would make no profit at all. Is that correct?

Joe?
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2170&d=1328162081

[vacuum]

No, I don't.

So, according to your plan, the drugs would only cost as much as the herbs/food needed to cure the problem.

And drug companies would not be compensated in any way for doing research, development or testing of new drugs. And drug companies would make no profit at all. Is that correct?
You've been focusing on one single issue throughout the thread, but you don't take into account the context.

The reason this thread was posted was because of what Frothy said, which wasn't necessarily the same as the words he spoke. His real statement was that he would continue to back the practice of government being in bed with drug companies by doing the things I mentioned in my previous post.

It's like if you tell a woman she's fat. You can have a technical argument all day that her weight to height and muscle mass ratio technically classifies her as fat. But that's that what you meant when you said it, was it? What you were really saying is lose weight, you're unattractive, etc.

The great fallacy of our brains is that of false dichotomy. Either Frothy is right, or he's wrong. (just like he said "We either believe in markets or we don't.") We need to be able to realize that there's always a third option, and in this case what he's doing is equating the concept of free markets and profit with the idea that the current system is just (which was the mother's real complaint).

[Book]

The mother said the boy was on the drug Abilify, used to treat schizophrenia, and that, on paper, its costs would exceed $1 million each year.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VzMZX4nBz8

::)

[Buddha]

The medical industry is one of the largest rackets there is. Most of the drugs, people don't need and they are marked up thousands of percents. I am very fortunate to have never been to a hospital for anything yet, but several friends have had to go for BS and end up with huge bills that their working poor level jobs cannot pay for. For example a gf of mine went to the ER and they gave her a popsicle for being over heated or something idk I wasn't there, it was $40. Now take that mark up and apply it to everything they do. It's just another way to get people in debt, and to make them even more unhealthy so that they keep coming back. Every business loves repeat customers.

[osoab]

Who, or what, do you believe should set the price of drugs?

That is really a loaded question Osaka.

If we had a true free market system, then the market should decide and all that jazz.

What we have now is not a free market system. It is well known that the "new and improved" super drugs are pawned of on Amerikwans at a much larger price vs the rest of the world.

Now if we would get rid of insurance companies, .gov (state and fed) collusion, and the useless breathers that think they have to have the latest drug because he saw Terry Bradshaw as a spokesman........

[iOWNme]

Who do you believe should set the price of drugs?

The CONSUMERS.

Do you know how Competitive Capitalism works?

[iOWNme]

This is an example of capitalism fixing a problem which it caused in the first place. Large corporations are allowed to pollute the environment and add poison to the food supply. Then drug companies sell these expensive drugs.

If the FDA wasn't criminalizing herbs, authorizing chemicals which are banned in other places to be in the food supply, and allowing drugs onto the market from the large companies which had dangerous side effects, then we could perhaps have a conversation about the validity of Scrontorum's argument.

But when it's illegal to sell raw milk, he's being biased. He's upholding their rights while not upholding other's rights.

It is obvious you have no idea how competitive Capitalism works. You have fallen for the switch-a-roo of Socialism >Capitalism.

Under competitive Capitalism it is the CONSUMER who decides the pricing, NOT the producer.

[chad]

it's obviously not determined "by the market" when i can walk over the border in arizona and buy the exact same drugs for 1/1000 of the price. if it was determined by the market, for that to happen, there would have to be no sick people in mexico and no demand.

the reason it costs x here and y in mexico is because here, there's money (healthcare/insurance), whereas in mexico, there are people who make $5,000 a year, no insurance, but have to buy medicine. the companies lower the cost to the highest level they can still get away with charging. here it's $1,000 for some bottle of stuff, there it's $20 for the same thing.

if there was no healthcare/insurance lobby here and people just had to pay for stuff, i predict the price would magically go down.

[iOWNme]

it's obviously not determined "by the market" when i can walk over the border in arizona and buy the exact same drugs for 1/1000 of the price. if it was determined by the market, for that to happen, there would have to be no sick people in mexico and no demand.

Osaka asked 37 times who should control the prices. And i gave him the truthful honest answer that this Republic was founded on.

Yes, truth is hard to swallow.

[chad]

Osaka asked 37 times who should control the prices. And i gave him the truthful honest answer that this Republic was founded on.

Yes, truth is hard to swallow.

i agree, the consumer should choose. now, that does not happen.

[gunDriller]

this relates to the illegality of Marijuana (can't be patented) and the unwillingness of US 'doctors' to prescribe Valium - the patent expired a LONG time ago.

[Old Herb Lady]

No, I don't.

So, according to your plan, the drugs would only cost as much as the herbs/food needed to cure the problem.

And drug companies would not be compensated in any way for doing research, development or testing of new drugs. And drug companies would make no profit at all. Is that correct?

First of all honeylove, don't put words in my mouth. Herbs/food don't cure the PROBLEM. I never said that. It's against the law to make such a claim .
You said it, not me. I never made this thread about natural healing until I got called on it. So I'll go that way then.
Herbs /food nourish the imbalanced body which in turns makes it healthier , subsequently the symptom, the PROBLEM, the disease gets healed as a side effect from getting healthier. mmmkay. Herbs/food don't work on specific problems in the body, they help the body as a WHOLE.



Now, why don't you state the reason for your passion ? Just because your paycheck doesn't get signed by the FDA doesn't men crap. Are you a pharmaceutical rep ? A clinical research coordinator ? A clinical research director ? Do you work in one of the pharmaceutical laboratories ? Do you condone flu shots or any vax ?

Next, research and development costs ? They spend millions & millions of dollars developing & researching & testing a new drug based on lies ? Are you serious about the profits after how the studies are flawed ? They need to make a profit because they spent all that money making a new drug that kills people ?

If you want me to answer you honestly, you need to start being honest with yourself.
In order to make a reasonable profit, they need to stop spending fake money on fake projects & getting fake results.
Of course there should be a profit. A REASONABLE one , tho.
THERE IS NO "REASON" in corruption.
They will continue to do what they have ALWAYS done. It's not going to change.
Why doesn't your buddy Frothy address THAT ???????????? Hmmmm ????????



"The industry's R&D claim has been questioned for years, but seldom as thoroughly as in a recently published paper that calculates the true mean R&D cost as less than $60 million per drug in 2000 dollars ($76 million today) "

"Tax breaks for drugs for rare diseases? Faster drug approvals by federal regulators? Stronger protection against competition from generics? All these goals have been achieved, based at least partially on the claim that drug makers require huge profits to fund R&D.

The supposedly high cost of research and development is also cited to argue against the reimportation of cheap drugs from Canada and direct negotiation over drug prices by Medicare.

These arguments are backed by truckloads of cash: Big Pharma has been the biggest spender on Washington lobbying of any industry, laying out $2.1 billion over the last dozen years to get its way, according to congressional figures."
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/03/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20110403



ALSO: Nice !! $ 600,000 bucks to tell people that a disease IS ALL IN THEIR HEAD ! $ 600,000 !!!!!!!

http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/26/morgellons-mystery-no-medical-explanation-for-crawling-skin-disease-study-finds/

[Old Herb Lady]

Rick Santorum is owned by Big Pharma.

When he got voted out (in '06 ? I think ) it upset the lobbyists terribly !

He literally prostitutes himself . He gets all hot & turned on by the corruption.

Follow the money trail. Big Pharma supports him in his race for office.
They have his back, he has theirs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/22/AR2006112201940.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/136706293.html?viewAllLatest=y&

[Old Herb Lady]

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[Osaka]

Now, why don't you state the reason for your passion ?

I am interested in hearing your opinion.


Are you a pharmaceutical rep ? A clinical research coordinator ? A clinical research director ? Do you work in one of the pharmaceutical laboratories ? Do you condone flu shots or any vax ?

In order, no, no, no, no and I really don't have an opinion on flu shots or vaccinations, since I haven't had any for several decades now.

Now, because I don't want to put words into your mouth, I do want to confirm what you have already said, so I understand it clearly.

You believe drug costs should be set by someone who isn't corrupted. This person would speak to Herbalists and determines how much the herbs/food cost for healing the underlying cause of the disease would be, and then set a price for the pharmaceutical drug at the exact same price, or the price should be slightly higher, so the drug companies can make a reasonable profit. Is that correct?

[Old Herb Lady]

I have to go & do this........


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/LainaInverse/Troll%20food/funny-pictures-cat-is-not-happy-wit.jpg


you should, too, if not, I'll play your game tonite Osakey.

[PlatinumBlonde]

10% to 15% of all costs, including research, development, testing, marketing and the actual raw materials. Also the shared cost of research and development of drugs which do not work, and have to be abandoned.

Now, I'll ask again, who do you believe should set the price of drugs?

The markup is so high in order to cover the eventual lawsuits that are filed by people taking these poisonous pills..

[vacuum]

It is obvious you have no idea how competitive Capitalism works. You have fallen for the switch-a-roo of Socialism >Capitalism.

Under competitive Capitalism it is the CONSUMER who decides the pricing, NOT the producer.
There was nothing wrong with my post. Instead of concluding I'm a socialist, the better conclusion would be there is something wrong with the current system.

[Old Herb Lady]

I am interested in hearing your opinion.



In order, no, no, no, no and I really don't have an opinion on flu shots or vaccinations, since I haven't had any for several decades now.

Now, because I don't want to put words into your mouth, I do want to confirm what you have already said, so I understand it clearly.

You believe drug costs should be set by someone who isn't corrupted. This person would speak to Herbalists and determines how much the herbs/food cost for healing the underlying cause of the disease would be, and then set a price for the pharmaceutical drug at the exact same price, or the price should be slightly higher, so the drug companies can make a reasonable profit. Is that correct?


Are u or were u a member of the Conservatives Unite Moneybomb ?
Or are u a Rick Santorium supporter ?

It doesn't matter what I think about the price of pharmaceutical dRuGs.
The system is doing such a fuh-hine job , any thoughts or ideas that I have are laughable
And I have a better chance of growing a penis and being able to measure my new body part than to actually ever see the day where pharmaceuticals come down in price.

Who would you like to see as president ?

[Neuro]

I think they should charge as much as they like for their poisons. Force more people into researching the better alternatives to symptom supressing drugs. Most important thing is to keep the government out of healthcare, as it is today the government do their outmost to protect the pharmaceutical companies and organized medicine from more common sense health care.

I don't care if a pharmaceutical company can do a hefty profit by fooling idiots to give away their hard earned cash for poison, but I insist on that the idiot pays for his own poison, and that the idiot has at least the option of choosing any alternative available.

[Steal]

Everything he said. Everything.

I personally can not understand anything coming out of his mouth, hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js3BYcHmBhE&list=PLF396D3CEF0169A35&context=C3a82122ADOEgsToPDskIFPE7IT2norVytj071t-Fy

[Osaka]

Are u or were u a member of the Conservatives Unite Moneybomb ?
Or are u a Rick Santorium supporter ?
Who would you like to see as president ?

No, No, whichever Republican can beat Obama.


... any thoughts or ideas that I have are laughable

Your pricing plan for drugs would discourage drug companies from spending money on research and development of new drugs. However, many people believe the same way, so I wouldn't call your ideas laughable.

[ArgenteumTelum]

OHL,

Not challenging you... can you please post the source of those drug mark-ups? I'd like to bookmark it. TY

[osoab]

No, No, whichever Republican can beat Obama.



Your pricing plan for drugs would discourage drug companies from spending money on research and development of new drugs. However, many people believe the same way, so I wouldn't call your ideas laughable.

How much could be put into R&D if the nonstop advertising, lobbying .govs, and schmoozing the docs was cut in half?

[Old Herb Lady]

OHL,

Not challenging you... can you please post the source of those drug mark-ups? I'd like to bookmark it. TY


http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=26496

[zap]

Well personally I think that 21,712 % makeup is high enough, hahah maybe the mother should sell herself or other organs so she can get her kid the meds? I won't take any drugs the Dr prescribes me, other then a good one like Vicodin and only if I am in pain. But who knows if I was dying or something??

Celebrex 100 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60
Percent markup: 21,712%

[muffin]

But who knows if I was dying or something??
Ugh yes, my mom and I go round and round about meds. Her and my sister are nurses. They have full faith in meds. Both are dependent on meds (mom moreso than sis). I tell my mom that I'd rather NOT take meds if I can help it. Her response, "Well, when you're hurting enough, you'll take them. Believe me." Maybe so, mom, maybe so....

[zap]

LOL muffin, I studied to be one too, way before I know what I know now, from what I have seen everyone wants a pill to fix this or that instead of doing all they can naturally to fix a problem,

ie High blood pressure, lose weight, exercise, eat right! watch the salt, yoga whatever it takes, nope most just want the Dr. to give em a pill .

[muffin]

LOL muffin, I studied to be one too, way before I know what I know now, from what I have seen everyone wants a pill to fix this or that instead of doing all they can naturally to fix a problem,

ie High blood pressure, lose weight, exercise, eat right! watch the salt, yoga whatever it takes, nope most just want the Dr. to give em a pill .
yep. it's a pill-dependent society... quick-fix.

[Old Herb Lady]

I know a lady who had a baby a few months ago.

The baby got "infant botulism". WOW. OMG I know. Just wait.

The only thing they could do to help the baby was to give the baby a $ 45,000 SHOT.

I coughed, almost choked on my own spit, said Excuse me, I didn't hear you right.

She said yes, it cost 45,000 dollars and we don't know how much the insurance is going to cover.

Falling over.

[Olmstein]

People would be better off if prescription drugs were so expensive they couldn't afford them. Most designer prescription drugs do more harm than good. I would think someone who has the word "herb" in her name would get that.

[Old Herb Lady]

Bwaahaahahaaaa. Everything I say pretty much gets misunderstood on here to mean something else. Why do I bother !!!!!
U must have missed my existence somewhere in my 8 or 900 posts. HA !!!!!!!

herbs what herbs ? Ha whatchoo talkin bout ? Yeah I'm pushin pharmaceuticals !!!!!

PLEASE I BEG OF U, tell that to the FDA for me ! THanks so much !! Whewwwww