Ron Paul and Delegates: The ONLY thing that matters - Official Thread

[iOWNme]

I was looking around for current Delegate counts and found this link:

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates


Here is the breakdown so far:

Romney - 91
Santorum - 44
Gingrich - 29
Paul - 8


AZ is coming up, along with other States RP does well in. 1144 delegates are needed to secure the nomination. It is still early, but Paul needs to ramp up his delegate count quickly.

There are still 46 delegates that havent voted in all of the previous debates. So these are still up in the air.

California has 172 delegates. How many will support RP? :)

[jimswift]

Curious on when the delegates actually get distributed, if they can get allocated in numbers different than whats reported at the time of the primary or caucus?

Don't delegates have to go back at a later date to be counted? So could Ron pick up more delegates at a later date than whats reported on the day of the election?

[vacuum]

Here's another thing: if no one gets more than 50% of the delegates, then the delegates are free to vote for anyone they want.

[monty]

In Nevada after the caucus votes are cast then caucus participants can nominate precinct delegates from

the caucus goers. These precinct delegates attend the county convention where the state delegates are

elected. At the state convention the final delegates are chosen. These delegates will go on to the

national convention. If only Ron Paul supporters were nominated it is entirely possible all the delegates

will go to Ron Paul. Or the reverse could be true for another candidate.

[gunDriller]

how about exit polling ?

that has been one of the indicators in previous elections of vote-fixing.

what i see for Ron Paul (massive enthusiasm) and the vote results are REAL different - which makes me suspect that the vote is being Diebold-ed.

but i also know there's a lot of Repug sheep that will vote for Romney (or, apparently, Super-Sputum.)

[monty]

The caucus votes don't necessarily determine which candidate will get the delegates. It is the caucus

attendees that stay to the bitter end and get themselves elected who ultimately determine which

candidate wins the delegates. The Ron Paul supporters are well organized and will get as many of their

people elected to go to the conventions as possible. I was a delegate for Nye County in Nevada in 2008

and saw this happen. We (Ron Paul) out numbered the other candidates at the state convention.

I don't know how the non-binding primary state delegates are selected.

[Bigjon]

The caucus votes don't necessarily determine which candidate will get the delegates. It is the caucus

attendees that stay to the bitter end and get themselves elected who ultimately determine which

candidate wins the delegates. The Ron Paul supporters are well organized and will get as many of their

people elected to go to the conventions as possible. I was a delegate for Nye County in Nevada in 2008

and saw this happen. We (Ron Paul) out numbered the other candidates at the state convention.

I don't know how the non-binding primary state delegates are selected.

yep, I stayed to the sweet end and saw to it that Ron Paul got 2 delegates out of 3 for our precinct. Surprisingly Rick Santorum polled really well amongst old-line Religious Republicans. They like his strong in your face we'll tell them the proper way to live and think message. Our precinct split 11 for Paul and 8 for Santorum 0 for the other two clowns. So it was only fair to allow 1 delegate for Santorum.
There were 3 young couples there who I'm pretty sure voted for Paul, but after the voting they picked up and left. I guess they don't understand the process.

[Bigjon]

bump for those who don't understand how the caucus system works.

[Osiris]

I'm pretty new to how this all works and am interested in this process but would like to learn some more details. What is the process of becoming a delegate? Do I just go to the caucus and wait around until the end to hopefully get voted in as a delegate? I found a forum from 2008 ron paul supporters where someone stated they went to the caucus and voted and then did some sign waiving for a while then went back to the precinct convention to try to become a delegate. He made the point in the thread that they didn't mention RP much and tried to stay on neutral subjects, stating that is key.... Is there something I need to do prior to the caucus? Also, is voter registration a requirement? I would assume so but not sure that they check paperwork etc...?

In other words, can someone walk me through this like I am 12? :)

[Bigjon]

I'm pretty new to how this all works and am interested in this process but would like to learn some more details. What is the process of becoming a delegate? Do I just go to the caucus and wait around until the end to hopefully get voted in as a delegate? I found a forum from 2008 ron paul supporters where someone stated they went to the caucus and voted and then did some sign waiving for a while then went back to the precinct convention to try to become a delegate. He made the point in the thread that they didn't mention RP much and tried to stay on neutral subjects, stating that is key.... Is there something I need to do prior to the caucus? Also, is voter registration a requirement? I would assume so but not sure that they check paperwork etc...?

In other words, can someone walk me through this like I am 12? :)

1. pledge of allegiance
2. choose the convener for the caucus who leads the show
3 choose a secretary for the caucus who records the show
4. our caucus had 4 precincts meeting
5. each precinct chooses a chairman, an assistant chairman and a secretary.
6. each candidates pitch letter is read by anyone who volunteers for that specific candidate. (sometimes there is some armtwisting involved so all letters are read)
7. discussion
8. beauty contest vote
9. count the votes and announce the results
10. take a break have some coffee or juice and cookies (this is where those who don't understand the process go home.)
11. sit down and decide who will be the delegates.
12. if there are a lot of people each person who wants to be a delegate has to sign up.
13. a list of delegate candidates is posted and depending on how many delegate seats (x) there are, each person chooses from the list of names and writes (x) names.
14. these lists are tallied and the top (x) names are the delegates (so you have to know who are the people who are for your candidate to choose the right names.)
15. do it over again to choose the alternates.
16. these people go to the county caucus in March


17. at the county level do it all over again and cut the number of delegates down that go to the congressional district conventions which choose 3 delegates for each district to go to the state convention.

[joboo]

8 seems incredibly shit no?

[Neuro]

Thank you bigjon so the vote doesn't matter one bit, but those who wait around to become delegates do, and if those knew who are RP supporters they can vote each other in.

So the Zionist supporters who are dead, hospitalized, non existent or just want to go home and watch Faux News how well their candidate did in the election don't have a say...

Great!

[Bigjon]

Thank you bigjon so the vote doesn't matter one bit, but those who wait around to become delegates do, and if those knew who are RP supporters they can vote each other in.

So the Zionist supporters who are dead, hospitalized, non existent or just want to go home and watch Faux News how well their candidate did in the election don't have a say...

Great!

Ron Paul's organization makes sure we know who the people are, that want to be delegates. Four years ago the State Republican Party made up bullshit rules to block the Ron Paul people. I can't exactly remember what they did, but it was pretty damned underhanded. This time there have been new elections to choose party leaders and a lot of that old guard got the boot.

[Libertytree]

Ron Paul's organization makes sure we know who the people are, that want to be delegates. Four years ago the State Republican Party made up bullshit rules to block the Ron Paul people. I can't exactly remember what they did, but it was pretty damned underhanded. This time there have been new elections to choose party leaders and a lot of that old guard got the boot.

The status quo GOP in Maine are trying some shit too, they're scared to death that RP is going to take it all and have noted how caucus after caucus is hands down RP. They've even called in extra security "just in case".

[JohnQPublic]

1. pledge of allegiance
2. choose the convener for the caucus who leads the show
3 choose a secretary for the caucus who records the show
4. our caucus had 4 precincts meeting
5. each precinct chooses a chairman, an assistant chairman and a secretary.
6. each candidates pitch letter is read by anyone who volunteers for that specific candidate. (sometimes there is some armtwisting involved so all letters are read)
7. discussion
8. beauty contest vote
9. count the votes and announce the results
10. take a break have some coffee or juice and cookies (this is where those who don't understand the process go home.)
11. sit down and decide who will be the delegates.
12. if there are a lot of people each person who wants to be a delegate has to sign up.
13. a list of delegate candidates is posted and depending on how many delegate seats (x) there are, each person chooses from the list of names and writes (x) names.
14. these lists are tallied and the top (x) names are the delegates (so you have to know who are the people who are for your candidate to choose the right names.)
15. do it over again to choose the alternates.
16. these people go to the county caucus in March


17. at the county level do it all over again and cut the number of delegates down that go to the state convention.

Can any resident of the district join the caucus?

[monty]

Can any resident of the district join the caucus?

You must be a registered voter it the party conducting the caucus.

You must reside in that precinct where the caucus is held.

[MAGNES]

8 seems incredibly shit no?

The NY times OP is misleading.

This is not what the R P campaign is reporting.

Monty and BigJohn comments fit RP reporting.

The media is also studying this and reporting.

Ron Paul Winning the Battle for Delegates
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...012+BW20120208 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/idUS201596+08-Feb-2012+BW20120208)
Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._caucuses.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/02/08/ron_paul_secretly_won_the_caucuses.html)
Ron Paul Caucus Strategy: The View From Inside Is Looking Up
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1266840.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/ron-paul-caucus-strategy_n_1266840.html)

Ron Paul Winning the Battle for Delegates TRUTH RULES ! (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?58814-Ron-Paul-Winning-the-Battle-for-Delegates-TRUTH-RULES-%21)

Monty seems to be on top of things here.


The caucus votes don't necessarily determine which candidate will get the delegates. It is the caucus

attendees that stay to the bitter end and get themselves elected who ultimately determine which

candidate wins the delegates. The Ron Paul supporters are well organized and will get as many of their

people elected to go to the conventions as possible. I was a delegate for Nye County in Nevada in 2008

and saw this happen. We (Ron Paul) out numbered the other candidates at the state convention.

I don't know how the non-binding primary state delegates are selected.

[iOWNme]

The NY times OP is misleading.

This is not what the R P campaign is reporting.

Monty and BigJohn comments fit RP reporting.

The media is also studying this and reporting.

Ron Paul Winning the Battle for Delegates
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...012+BW20120208 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/08/idUS201596+08-Feb-2012+BW20120208)
Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._caucuses.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/02/08/ron_paul_secretly_won_the_caucuses.html)
Ron Paul Caucus Strategy: The View From Inside Is Looking Up
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1266840.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/ron-paul-caucus-strategy_n_1266840.html)

Ron Paul Winning the Battle for Delegates TRUTH RULES ! (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?58814-Ron-Paul-Winning-the-Battle-for-Delegates-TRUTH-RULES-%21)

Monty seems to be on top of things here.




MAGNES,

How many delegates does RP have for support as of now? According to the NYTimes he has 8, but according to the info you posted here:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?58814-Ron-Paul-Winning-the-Battle-for-Delegates-TRUTH-RULES-!
he has 20+?

[MAGNES]

MAGNES,

How many delegates does RP have for support as of now? According to the NYTimes he has 8, but according to the info you posted here:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?58814-Ron-Paul-Winning-the-Battle-for-Delegates-TRUTH-RULES-!
he has 20+?

I have no idea, they gave a few examples, look at how the media is handling this.

It is way more than 20, looks like it, Slate, Huffingtonpost, Reuters, are not
disputing those few examples but seem to be warning everyone about how sneaky
Ron Paul is being.

Monty and BigJohn posts reveals they know the process and have a much better handle on this.

Midnight Rambler was involved too, he knows things, he opened this
OP which I totally missed.

Midnight Rambler.
Ron Paul secretly won the caucuses (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?58797-Ron-Paul-secretly-won-the-caucuses)

Remember folks, format matters.

" Ron Paul got ALL 13. "

NYTimes, don't expect much from them.

Slate wants you to know Ron Paul is a sneaky fellow. Beware.


This time there have been new elections to choose party leaders
and a lot of that old guard got the boot.

They are working it aren't they, dirty bastards.
What can they do to Ron Paul if his delegate strategy/power is strong ?
Any tricks.

[Bigjon]

Any vote for anyone beside Ron Paul is a vote for WWWIII. These people who voted for Santorum only heard his strong moral Christian message. Most of the people at our caucus are in the Israel is the only democracy in the M.E. and our special friend, that we have to support, camp.

I wish I had thought to remind them that they are voting for more war, a very un-Christian thing to do, during the discussion period at the caucus, but I didn't.

[Libertytree]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x28_I9oIVg&feature=youtu.be

[jimswift]

I dont like that Maddow. She acting all gotcha as if it is/was different for her guy.

That little example was to give the impression Ron Paul is somehow cheating Democracy.

That's just how this shit works lady.

Don't worry, they have plenty of dirty underhanded tricks left to cheat him out of the nomination.

[Bigjon]

1. pledge of allegiance
2. choose the convener for the caucus who leads the show
3 choose a secretary for the caucus who records the show
4. our caucus had 4 precincts meeting
5. each precinct chooses a chairman, an assistant chairman and a secretary.
6. each candidates pitch letter is read by anyone who volunteers for that specific candidate. (sometimes there is some armtwisting involved so all letters are read)
7. discussion
8. beauty contest vote
9. count the votes and announce the results
10. take a break have some coffee or juice and cookies (this is where those who don't understand the process go home.)
11. sit down and decide who will be the delegates.
12. if there are a lot of people each person who wants to be a delegate has to sign up.
13. a list of delegate candidates is posted and depending on how many delegate seats (x) there are, each person chooses from the list of names and writes (x) names.
14. these lists are tallied and the top (x) names are the delegates (so you have to know who are the people who are for your candidate to choose the right names.)
15. do it over again to choose the alternates.
16. these people go to the county caucus in March


17. at the county level do it all over again and cut the number of delegates down that go to the congressional district conventions which choose 3 delegates for each district to go to the state convention.


An email sent to me about Minnesota delegates:
There has been a tremendous amount of misinformation in the mainstream media the last few days about Minnesota's delegates to the Republican National Convention. For instance, most media websites are reporting varied numbers of pledged delegates that were awarded Tuesday. Those figures range from the CNN count that gave 6 delegates to Santorum, 4 to Ron Paul, 2 to Romney, and 1 to Gingrich, to a Fox News article that said Santorum won 37 out of 40 delegates in Minnesota (tinyurl.com/7t6th9r (http://tinyurl.com/7t6th9r)).

Simply put, both of those counts are absolutely and totally false. The fact is that only 3 of Minnesota's 40 delegates have been identified and none of our delegates are pledged to any particular candidate.

To set the record straight, I would like to take a moment to explain how Minnesota selects delegates to the Republican National Convention. Minnesota's delegates include three party leaders (our two RNC members -- Jeff Johnson and Pat Anderson -- and our state party chair -- Pat Shortridge). Next, each of Minnesota's eight congressional districts selects three delegates (totaling 24 delegates) at their respective congressional district conventions. Finally, 13 delegates will be selected by a vote at the state party convention in May.

In total, Minnesota will send 40 delegates to the RNC convention. Importantly, however, none of these delegates are bound by the results of the straw poll last Tuesday. Therefore, any report you see that lists pledged delegates that may have been won out of Minnesota is absolutely wrong. What's more, several other states that have taken non-binding may also be incorrect. An accurate delegate count may be found at: tinyurl.com/7gsw6x3 (http://tinyurl.com/7gsw6x3).

I hope this has corrected any misinformation you may have seen elsewhere.

[Libertytree]

Thanks Bigjon, I know every state does it differently, thanks for the details for MN and the link.

[iOWNme]

Just found this video.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WDhyQ3eSQ0&feature=plcp&context=C4b57024VDvjVQa1PpcFMtcf5hUA6snNU2StICx7ZK WKPN0p7e6Uc=

[iOWNme]

New vid by Rys2sense claims RP just won all the delegates in St. Charles....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eUo3O3lGB8&feature=g-logo&context=G2b3ffd3FOAAAAAAAIAA

[Libertytree]

I read the other day that Ron won 40+ of the 50 state delegates for Missouri.

[Neuro]

Exactly how many delegates are up for grab in Caucus states vs delegates in non-Caucus states? Seems like RP is doing really well in Caucus states so far... In Missouri he allegedly got 40+ out of 50! And as far as I know he has done really well in Maine and Nevada too!

[goldleaf]

I don't totally understand the delegate thing, but if Romney gets his 1144, or whatever the total needed number is, will voting
by the delegates even take place at the convention?

[Neuro]

I don't totally understand the delegate thing, but if Romney gets his 1144, or whatever the total needed number is, will voting
by the delegates even take place at the convention?

You can't have 1144 votes unless there is voting can you?

[Libertytree]

"Exactly how many delegates are up for grab in Caucus states vs delegates in non-Caucus states?"

Each state is different depending on population. There are two different selection methods Primary vs Caucus and even within those two sets there are different rules that determine who gets the delegates. It gets more than a little complicated from state to state. You can look here to find out what's the scoop in your or others states http://www.thegreenpapers.com/

[Cebu_4_2]

"Exactly how many delegates are up for grab in Caucus states vs delegates in non-Caucus states?"

Each state is different depending on population. There are two different selection methods Primary vs Caucus and even within those two sets there are different rules that determine who gets the delegates. It gets more than a little complicated from state to state. You can look here to find out what's the scoop in your or others states http://www.thegreenpapers.com/

A simple yes or no would have sufficed


lol

[Golden]

Revealing the American Take-Over

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPhxLaq8aLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPhxLaq8aLQ

More info on St. Charles. Links below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcRa1YGng54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGVxmXBy9jQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFX0WAUF4lU

http://www.komu.com/news/st-charles-county-gets-republican-caucus-re-do/

[iOWNme]

This article is about the RP delegate count and what it could mean for a Romney Presidency.........Interesting take.




Will Ron Paul delegates make Romney flip flop again?

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/jun/10/ron-paul-delegates-make-romney-flip-flop/


http://media.washtimes.com/media/community/viewpoint/entry/2012/06/10/ron-paul-texas-640_s640x427.jpg?73b8e21685896c3f2859310aaa5adb253 919b641



TAMPA, June 10, 2012 – With all but one of the Republican primaries concluded, there are two things that are clear. The first is that unless something very improbable occurs, Mitt Romney will be the Republican nominee for president in 2012. The second is that Ron Paul will have an army of delegates at the Republican National Convention (RNC) in August.

The media continue to wonder what Paul hopes to accomplish with those delegates, although he has been clear from the beginning. His primary goal was to win the nomination. His secondary goal was to influence the direction of the Republican Party.

Paul has remained consistent in his strategy. In a June 6 e-mail to supporters, Paul said:
“We stand to send nearly 200 bound delegates to the Republican National Convention in Tampa…What's more, we will send several hundred additional supporters to Tampa who, while bound to Romney, believe in our ideas of liberty, constitutional government, and a common-sense foreign policy. When it is all said and done, we will likely have as many as 500 supporters as delegates on the Convention floor."

And while this total is not enough to win the nomination, it puts us in a tremendous position to grow our movement and shape the future of the GOP!”
Some of Paul’s supporters dispute that any of the RNC delegates are bound to vote for any candidate, citing Republican Party Rule No. 38. Obviously, Ron Paul doesn’t see it that way.

However, one thing everyone acknowledges is that no delegate to the RNC is bound to any candidate’s position on the issues. That means Paul’s 500 delegates can vote any way they want regarding the Republican Party platform.

That might not sound exciting, but consider the implications. The nominee is expected to adopt the platform as his own, or at least not take a position that directly contradicts it. Romney’s positions are diametrically opposed to Paul’s on a range of issues. What if the Ron Paul delegates get one or more of Paul’s positions into the platform?

For example, Romney supports the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war against nations that pose a threat to the security of the United States. Paul rejects this policy, insisting that Congress formally declare war before the president orders planned military action.

Contrary to popular belief, a declaration of war is not “permission” by the Congress to start a war. A declaration of war is just that, a declaration that war already exists. Whenever the Congress has declared war in the past, it has done so citing the overt acts of war that the nation in question had already committed against the United States. The whole concept of declaring war rules out preemptive war.

That’s why George W. Bush could not have obtained a declaration of war on Iraq. There were no overt acts of war committed by Iraq against the United States. Ditto for Korea, Viet Nam, Somalia, Bosnia, etc.

It would have been difficult to achieve a declaration of war against Afghanistan in light of the Taliban’s offer (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/05/afghanistan.terrorism?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487) to prosecute Osama Bin Laden if evidence were presented of his guilt. Bush rejected the offer saying (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5), “There is no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he’s guilty.”

If Paul’s supporters were to get a declaration of war requirement into the Republican Party platform, preemptive war would indeed be “off the table.” Romney would have to defy the party or flip flop on his current position.

Even with 500 votes, the Paul delegates might have an uphill battle on this front. The other candidates’ delegates are firmly in the preemptive war camp. The party leadership may very well break 5,000 fingers before letting a declaration of war requirement get into its platform.

But there are other positions that Republicans might not be so opposed to. Paul wanted to cut $1 trillion during his first year as president. Romney only wants to cut future increases in spending. Paul’s supporters could get actual spending cuts into the platform.

Romney said (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1yY3NCiMVQ) that he would have signed the NDAA resolution that authorized the president to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without due process. Paul and his supporters vigorously oppose this. Since the bill was signed by Obama and not a Republican president, Paul’s delegates could conceivably get repeal of those provisions into the platform.

Ending the drug war, cutting military spending in general, and opposing a federal prohibition on gay marriage are just a few of the other issues upon which the candidates disagree. Chief among them for Paul has been an audit of the Federal Reserve System.

While endorsing Romney, Sen. Rand Paul said (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5odNzKVbk) that Romney now supports an audit of the Federal Reserve System, something that Romney said (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6JDooqBcjg) he wouldn’t “take [his] effort and focus on” in 2011. While technically not a “flip flop,” it may be a harbinger of what Paul’s supporters can achieve by flexing their delegate muscle at the RNC.

If they do achieve a major change in the GOP platform, Romney may have to flip flop once again to avoid campaigning against his own party. That could be the first sign that the Ron Paul Revolution will be alive long after his presidential campaign has ended.

Tom Mullen is the author of A Return to Common Sense: Reawakening Liberty in the Inhabitants of America. (http://www.tommullen.net/featured/a-return-to-common-sense-reawakening-liberty-in-the-inhabitants-of-america/)

[Libertytree]

The RP delegates will make Flopney flip..out, that's for sure! The platform is the very least of their worries. The freedom movement has nothing to lose and even quiet disobedience can speak loudly, louder disobedience just makes it all the more interesting.

[osoab]

If Paul’s supporters were to get a declaration of war requirement into the Republican Party platform, preemptive war would indeed be “off the table.” Romney would have to defy the party or flip flop on his current position.

Bah, it's three days in August. If Mittens has this wrapped up he is only placating the fringe of the party for the moment.
Once he gets the nod, delegates and their plank/platform postitions mean squat.

[Libertytree]

Bah, it's three days in August. If Mittens has this wrapped up he is only placating the fringe of the party for the moment.
Once he gets the nod, delegates and their plank/platform postitions mean squat.

We ALL know that, that's why the delegates, who know this too, have other points to make! The plank/platform don't mean shit but prime time does! :)

[BrewTech]

And while this total is not enough to win the nomination, it puts us in a tremendous position to grow our movement and shape the future of the GOP!”

Statements like this piss me off. I don't give a flying FUCK about the "shape and future of the GOP". Our CURRENT situation is unacceptable and either needs to be fixed or abolished IMMEDIATELY.

We are well beyond the time where "slow, steady progress" means jack shit.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Statements like this piss me off. I don't give a flying FUCK about the "shape and future of the GOP". Our CURRENT situation is unacceptable and either needs to be fixed or abolished IMMEDIATELY.

We are well beyond the time where "slow, steady progress" means jack shit.

i agree

(http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?61450-When-are-you-gonna-get-off-the-Ron-Paul-Bandwagon&p=547023&viewfull=1#post547023)

[iOWNme]

Statements like this piss me off. I don't give a flying FUCK about the "shape and future of the GOP". Our CURRENT situation is unacceptable and either needs to be fixed or abolished IMMEDIATELY.

We are well beyond the time where "slow, steady progress" means jack shit.

Agreed.

Things like Political Parties, wedge issues and voting are all a thin vinear to keep the people from sticking to REALITY, MORALS and TRUTH. Who cares about the future of the GOP? Who cares about the fucking GOP at all? FUCK!!!!!

[Bigjon]

Agreed.

Things like Political Parties, wedge issues and voting are all a thin vinear to keep the people from sticking to REALITY, MORALS and TRUTH. Who cares about the future of the GOP? Who cares about the fucking GOP at all? FUCK!!!!!

Ignoring reality has it's penalties. Number one penalty is you lose.

I come from a large family of Republicans and it doesn't matter who the republicans run they will vote for whoever the Republicans endorse. I have voted 3rd party since I first voted for Ron Paul in 88. I have banged on doors put up yard signs worked really hard to get people elected. I think our best showing was around 8 percent in Minnesota the year that Jesse got in. He was running on another ticket, but the voters were real unhappy with the status quo.

I thought it was a no-brainer vote for liberty, but voters proved me wrong every year, it truly was a no brainer as in no thinking pull the demopublican lever for xxx.

We can take over the Republican party we just have to show up. The off year caucuses are where the party officials are elected.

I know you are all disappointed and I am too, but life goes on.

[Cebu_4_2]

RP is a fuckwad... I want my $525.00 back.

[iOWNme]

RP is a fuckwad... I want my $525.00 back.

Rand or Ron?

[General of Darkness]

The future looks to be more annoying than it currently is.

[Book]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/01/02/t1larg.ron.rand.paul.jan2.jpg
"UM................................................ .............................SUMTIN I GOTTA TELL YA' PAW"

http://www.graphicsgrotto.com/emoticons/rolleyes/images/emrolleyes11.gif

[JohnQPublic]

Lawyers for Ron Paul taking over the campaign?

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=635553&cmd=apop

"..we are in it to win it and nothing less..."

Talk about Jesse Benton. He signed a letter allowing the Repub party to assist Romney.
Talking about Doug Weed.
Fed up with campaign lack of action.

[Libertytree]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/15/47495.htm

More Delegates Want to Join Republican Revolt


By REBEKAH KEARN









SANTA ANA, Calif. (CN) - In a revolt against Romney, at least 40 more national convention delegates asked to join 123 previous plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the Republican National Committee, and their attorney said hundreds more may soon follow suit.

The first 123 delegates, all from the 9th Circuit, sued (http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/13/47402.htm) the RNC, its Chairman Rince Priebus, and every state party chairman in the 9th Circuit in Federal Court on Monday, demanding the right to vote for the candidate of their choice on every ballot at the Republican National Convention, including the first.

The delegates claim the party violated federal law by forcing them to sign loyalty affidavits, under threat of perjury, to vote for Mitt Romney, though he is not yet the official nominee.
They also claimed that state party chairmen are fixing elections at state conventions and changing ballots so that all votes cast count for Romney.
"When nominating someone for a federal office, all delegates must be free to vote their conscience," Richard Gilbert, of Gilbert & Marlowe, attorney for the delegates, told Courthouse News in an interview Thursday.

"They don't want to be bound to any candidate, or even be forced to vote for the nominee," Gilbert said. "To have a real convention, the delegates must have free will so that when they meet, they can persuade each other and then decide who to vote for."

Gilbert said that the public is unaware that the party is rigging elections and committing voting fraud. But he said he has more than 100 signed affidavits from delegates to support these allegations.
"Some campaigns act like organized crime syndicates - and I mean organized crime, no doubt about it," Gilbert said.

"In Arizona, the voting machines were rigged so that Ron Paul votes were counted as Mitt Romney votes. It was so intentional that a Romney delegate refused to certify the vote count, and for that he got thrown off the convention."The Party's Rule 11 prevents changing rules within 30 days of a convention, but Gilbert said that chairmen and organizers often change rules the day before a convention - and sometimes in the middle of one - to deny a quorum or rig an outcome. The delegates say in their complaint that the defendants threatened violence against those who don't support Romney, and had men in dark clothing come to conventions and physically remove people who refuse to vote for him.

"I have nothing against Romney's politics, it's his behavior," Gilbert said. "He's the one who chose to run his campaign based on intimidation and violate federal law."
Gilbert said this is the first time in 30 years that the issue has been brought before the court.
"It's really serious," he said. "People don't realize that delegates aren't chosen on the Tuesday primaries like they think.
"For example, Ron Paul got 16 of the 19 delegates in Massachusetts, which is a pretty serious vote of no-confidence in Romney from his own state, but I know that my friends and family aren't aware of this."

Gilbert said he wants to get the case heard as soon as possible so that all rightfully elected delegates are seated at the National Convention in August, and are free to vote for the candidate of their choice. "The hour is late and short, but we won't just stand by and let the Republican National Convention get away with disenfranchising voters," Gilbert said.
"I'd love to line up all the criminals and take them on a perp walk through court." The case will be heard by U.S. Judge David Carter, though no hearing dates have been set because more than 100 defendants need to be served. Gilbert described Carter as a strict judge, who is fair and honest.

"If the judge rules in our favor, I won't be surprised if three or four new candidates, say Sarah Palin, jump in and say they want to be considered," Gilbert said.
"It will be the most interesting national convention in my lifetime if the judge rules for us on this."

Legally, the case may hinge on whether the judge accepts the plaintiffs' claim that the nominating convention is a "federal" election. Courts have traditionally given the two major political parties considerable leeway in managing their own affairs, for instance, in whether state parties may hold open or closed primaries.

[Libertytree]

Lawyers for Ron Paul taking over the campaign?

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=635553&cmd=apop

"..we are in it to win it and nothing less..."

Talk about Jesse Benton. He signed a letter allowing the Repub party to assist Romney.
Talking about Doug Weed.
Fed up with campaign lack of action.

Here's some text from the talkshoe broadcast.

Topic: A civil suit against the RNC

Guests: David Callahan operations director for Lawyers for Ron Paul
Richard Gilbert: Attorney for the delegates to the Republican National Convention, and a member of Lawyers for Ron Paul

On the phone:
"This is Richard Gilbert. I can tell you that a decision has been made by Lawyers for Ron Paul to take over the Ron Paul campaign, without the permission of the Ron Paul Campaign. It is the people's mutiny. We are forming an executive committee, within the Lawyers for Ron Paul group, and we will no longer tolerate negotiations for the surrender of the campaign in exchange for some consession on one or more planks that we find to be meaningless in a platform. And so, we are going to go around the nation and publically announce that the L.F.R.P. and its executive committee, on behalf on the volunteers, ARE FROM NOW ON FORMALLY RUNNING THE RON PAUL CAMPAIGN. WE ARE IN IT TO WIN IT AND NOTHING LESS. WE ARE GOING TO STRIP MITT ROMNEY OF ALL OF HIS DELEGATES AND RON PAUL WILL BE PUT IN NOMINATION AND WIN THE NOMINATION, AND THAT IS OUR GOAL.. AND NOTHING LESS THAN THAT AND THAT'S WHAT OUR MISSION IS.

[iOWNme]

Lawyers for Ron Paul taking over the campaign?

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=635553&cmd=apop

"..we are in it to win it and nothing less..."

Talk about Jesse Benton. He signed a letter allowing the Repub party to assist Romney.
Talking about Doug Weed.
Fed up with campaign lack of action.



No mention of the NeoCon Bruce Fein?

Sibel Edmonds has been following the Bruce Fein dilema ever since he signed on the RP campaign. The amount of dirt and corruption this guy is into is staggering.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/?s=bruce+fein

Interesting to note, Sible was on AJ about a week ago, and they NEVER mentioned ANYTHING about Bruce Fein. Meanwhile half of her blog is about RP and Bruce Fein.

[iOWNme]

“All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is surrender. For it is all give and no take.” – Mohandas Gandhi