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Golden
8th February 2012, 02:30 PM
Consider the following 3-Domains:

1. Kurt Godel, mathematician (1931) - "incompleteness theorem"
2nd Theorem: using the arithmetic of whole numbers, he proved that one cannot demonstrate the consistency of such a system within itself, in other words, it is undecideable.
Hence, one can't use a systems own workings to determine if it is consistent or not. Even if the system is consistent, one must reach outside the system to prove it.

2. Heisenberg Principle (1927)
One cannot simultaneously determine position and moment of a particle. Because the phemomena of observation is no different than the phenomena observed (ie its a system examing itself). One can not determine the character and nature of a system from within itself.

3. 2nd Law of Thermodynamics: All observed natural processes generate Entropy (ie disorder).

Imagine a closed system, where we have the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is operating, and we want to observe what is going on inside the system. Anything task we perform inside the system will increase the system's Entropy, therefore, we will have less information about the system at the end of the observation that at the beginning of the observation. This is true because the observer is part of the close system, and therefore this concept is in alignment with Godels theorem and Heisenberg's principle.


Combining all of the above, one can say that one can not determine the character and nature of a system from within itself. Moreover, attempting to do so will only lead to greater confusion and disorder.

Hence, I can attack my adversaries by folding these adversaries back inside themselves so they can't consult their external environment, driving the adversary into confusion and disorder, bringing about paralysis. To properly affect this, the attacker must act against the attacked at a tempo that is faster than the attacked can respond to the attacker.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_fjaqAiOmc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuY5NcRvBbU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSNwjbNv6NY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg-HXnvTEqA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKgFJVZkHYw
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCAQqT2JvZ4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCAQqT2JvZ4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi4KFKyNnsI
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Uploaded by 82abhilash on Aug 16, 2008


Social OODA Loop
http://www.dreaming5gw.com/2009/08/social_ooda_loop.php

Well now, I think that answers a few questions...for now. lol

dys
8th February 2012, 02:49 PM
I have long suspected #1, though I couldn't put it into words as well as that scientist did. Thanks for this.

dys

Golden
16th July 2012, 10:14 AM
Bump for this may answer many of your questions...to be continued

singular_me
16th July 2012, 04:45 PM
sounds like a theory by Sun Tzu who wrote "the art of war"