Why Make 60k A Year When You Can Make Minimum Wage?

[LuckyStrike]

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitlement-america-head-household-making-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-family-mak

I hate this country.

[vacuum]

Also consider this: it's usually not a choice between a $60k/year job and a $14k per year job. Usually it's more like $30k/year and $14k/year. In that case you'd be working full time and actually getting about 30% less money.

Who in their right mind would work in order to get less?

[Jersey Thursday]

And, it doesn’t take into account money saved on college tuition and financial assistance...

The one part of the cart I don’t get is the extra $7,200 in childcare saved by working for minimum wage. A 40 hour work week is a 40 hour work week.

[k-os]

Well, we all know that's what's happening, but it is certainly interesting to see it outlined so well. Thanks, LuckyStrike.

[palani]

It is not labor you are selling. It is stress. The more you make the more stress you are willing to take on.

You take on these high paying jobs on the theory that you will be helping the government by paying for all the services you demand. This is not a very good model though because it leads to health problems and encourages the government to provide more services. A better model is to live moderately. Generate less stress. Be healthier. Pay the government less and encourage them to provide fewer services.

Just a thought, you know.

[k-os]

It is not labor you are selling. It is stress. The more you make the more stress you are willing to take on.

You take on these high paying jobs on the theory that you will be helping the government by paying for all the services you demand. This is not a very good model though because it leads to health problems and encourages the government to provide more services. A better model is to live moderately. Generate less stress. Be healthier. Pay the government less and encourage them to provide fewer services.

Just a thought, you know.

I agree. I think a lot of us would like to live more simply.

[Sparky]

And, it doesn’t take into account money saved on college tuition and financial assistance...

The one part of the cart I don’t get is the extra $7,200 in childcare saved by working for minimum wage. A 40 hour work week is a 40 hour work week.
The person making $3,625 per year is only working 10 hours per week at minimum wage.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/Money%20Earned.jpg

[solid]

It is not labor you are selling. It is stress. The more you make the more stress you are willing to take on.

I don't think you can correlate pay by the amount of stress. Some folks, can get stressed staring at a computer all day (which I don't understand), yet they make a big salary. If I make a mistake at my work, I die. Yet my pay is less than theirs.

I'm not stressed. It is what it is.

One thing I do notice, is my pay is teetering on the tax rate. So, if I work harder, I actually make less because I'm in a higher tax bracket. If I work less, it's actually better because of that, less taxes.

[mightymanx]

Yep that is peretty much what Elizabeth Warren was talking about on her 'Death of the middle class seminars"

Work twice as hard for the same amount.

[solid]

You know, it's interesting how we've come to this point.

Personally, I think it's a how society has made men a bunch of pussies (pardon my french).

I met a man the other day, a fisherman. This guy placed no blame, took pride in his boat, yet told us a story on how he lost 6 of his fingers. He lost all 4 on his right hand, 2 on his left. They were able to reattach a couple of them. He was cleaning fish with a press, and the boat took a wave and a greenhorn, aka new guy, bumped into him and both hands went into the fish press. Just like that, 6 fingers gone. He was at sea at the time.

So, the guy has blood spurting from his hands, miles away at sea, and they put on a tourniquet. Long story short, due to the remote location, he spent almost 2 days without any pain medication. They attached leeches to his hand, to open up the blood capillaries and vessels. Reattached his fingers. One turned black and fell off. He ended up 2 fingers shy on his right hand, left hand looked normal.

Over 2 years of monthly treatment. He wanted to fish. Nobody would hire him, thinking he couldn't handle the gear/tackle.

Finally, a boat said he could work the season unpaid. For free, no pay. He wants to prove himself, so says ok. He shows up, a couple days later a guy on the boat breaks a leg, and they have a spot open. He had shown he could work the gear, so they gave him the spot. He proved himself once again, and worked the fishing season and made 60K.

So, this guy loses his fingers, was out of work for 2 years, and busts his ass to get back into fishing. He's not complaining, because that's life, and the challenges that life faces. You overcome them through hard work.

[letter_factory]

It is not labor you are selling. It is stress. The more you make the more stress you are willing to take on.

You take on these high paying jobs on the theory that you will be helping the government by paying for all the services you demand. This is not a very good model though because it leads to health problems and encourages the government to provide more services. A better model is to live moderately. Generate less stress. Be healthier. Pay the government less and encourage them to provide fewer services.

Just a thought, you know.

Not just stress...responsibility. You're taking on responsibility (power allowed by government), allowing government to exist, while releasing government from its responsibility, especially in cases of wrongdoing. For example, a doctor trained, educated, and licensed by goobermint writes an order for chemotherapy. It kills you, but goobermint and the doctor gets away without any trouble; however the doctor does sweat and worry a lot, believing in good faith, his work is honest.

[letter_factory]

The article may be technically right, but quality of life will suffer if you choose section 8 housing over paying a 150k mortgage.

[palani]

I don't think you can correlate pay by the amount of stress.

Stress and unrealistic expectations is why marriages fail and suicides are frequent.

I considered this concept 10 years ago. One model (suburbia) has both man and wife working to make ends meet. Large home. Long commute to work. Each requires a car. The large home requires many furnishings and high upkeep. Competition with fellow workers to get higher wage so don't expect social conditions to be good there.

Now consider going for minimum wage job. Dump the large house for an apartment on the bus route. Husband works while wife raises kids. Small apartment means fewer furnishings. Older car is possible because it doesn't have to be as reliable as when used for work each day. If the boss gives you stress on the job you chuck it for another low wage job.

Step back and take an honest look at your own goals and their results and you might change them.

[Awoke]

The tax system is nothing less than thievery. I am against it totally. However, this article seems to promote not only the welfare state, but it also promotes taking advantage of the welfare system by collecting and manipulating other opportunities at the time.

Admittedly, I only breezed over the article and didn't read it in depth.

But I will say that I would not settle for the lifestyle offered by the welfare state. I also would not settle for the type of accomodations available to the welfare class, or the types of friends and associates that migrate towards the welfare class.

I have zero respect for people who are not willing to pull their weight, and less respect for people who do nothing to constantly improve themselves. I have no time for those types of people.

In a perfect world, we would be working in our skillsets and bartering as communities, and we would be contributing to projects that are important to our communities because our level of commitment would directly reflect the quality of life for the community. There would be no need for taxes. I am not the first to say this. Edward Griffen and Ralph Epperson have commented on this extensively. In a community like what I have described, there would be no room for lazy freeloading pieces of shit, and no need for taxation.

Just to be clear, what I am saying is I am against taxation and I am also against freeloading.

[letter_factory]

Just to be clear, what I am saying is I am against taxation and I am also against freeloading.


Taxation is how they offset inflation. Congress inflates the public money supply to buy votes and then instills taxes to slow inflation and then uses that taxation to buy the poor's votes through socialism. It's command economy at its finest. While the republic was suppose to be run by oligarchs who had the public's interests at heart, these same oligarchs have become corrupt and only look after themselves. It's the same story tens of thousands of years old.

[palani]

What you haven't been really informed about is that you create your own money. You borrow it into existence and this model is based upon you having signed up for social (in)security. There really is no money at all since the gold/silver model fell through.

That is what makes this voluntary servitude so evil. You are tricked into borrowing money to "buy" something and then buy into the concept that you are the owner and must repay the loan. The loan was actually paid by your signature promising to pay when gold and silver was returned to circulation. The fiat money is a discharge of an obligation rather than an extinguishment of the obligation. After discharge the notes are still in circulation and used by other to discharge their own obligations.

Where this model falls flat is, while it is true that you borrow the money into existence, you do not create the money to pay the interest on the "loan" at the same time. You depend on these circulating notes and your ability to latch onto enough of them to make the interest payments. The interest is usury and the government (being the upstanding Christians that they are) are not going to get themselves involved with money created for the express purpose of paying usury.

[Awoke]

the government (being the upstanding Christians that they are)

Uhh, pardon?

[palani]

Uhh, pardon?

Didn't you know? Those who practice the 10 commandments are more than happy that you are out there practicing the 10 planks.

[k-os]

The article may be technically right, but quality of life will suffer if you choose section 8 housing over paying a 150k mortgage.

I am not so sure sometimes. I know people who own Section 8 housing, and I've been to those houses. The similarities between those houses/neighborhoods, and my first house are great. The only difference is that those Section 8 houses had about 500 more square feet than my first house, and they have new paint. Also, the government (taxpayers) pay $1400/month for those Section 8 units.

The only thing that separates me from being on disability, taking Section 8 housing, food stamps, etc., is pride. (The good kind.)

[Awoke]

Don't be shallow.

These politicians are no more "Christian" than the Kionists, who claim to be "Jews" are biblical Israelis.

[Golden]

Good luck with the cherished delusion of a closed system. You have to be asleep to believe the American dream.

[Libertytree]

Seems to me the trick is to make the 60K and live like you're making minimum wage.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Uhh, pardon?

I think his comment is referencing the fact that the Christian bible forbids usury. Even Palani can be sarcastic when it comes to gov.

[Sparky]

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Now consider going for minimum wage job. Dump the large house for an apartment on the bus route. Husband works while wife raises kids. Small apartment means fewer furnishings. Older car is possible because it doesn't have to be as reliable as when used for work each day. If the boss gives you stress on the job you chuck it for another low wage job.
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And then your children silently resent you for years because they are the ones who have to face the materialistic pressure from their peers every day that you, as an adult, are much better positioned to deal with. And this is not about "teaching your kids right". This is about how emotions function during your formative years. It's very difficult as a child to learn one set of principles at home while facing completely different ground rules with their peers. I'm not saying it's impossible, but just that this approach is far more challenging when you have to consider more than yourself or your adult spouse. As a parent, you find yourself accepting the additional stress rather than imposing a different type of stress on your kids.

[palani]

And then your children silently resent you for years because they are the ones who have to face the materialistic pressure from their peers every day Easy answer to the dilemma of peer pressure is home schooling. I had the opportunity of spending several days with a family that homeschooled and I have never met better behaved or sociable children in my life.

This has to be the reason why homeschoolers are mentioned so prominently when JBTs stage school drills (Public School #101 is surrounded by an armed gang of homeschoolers ... I guess they must be protesting that that nobody else can spell as well).

[palani]

Don't be shallow.
Would you prefer blind?

[mick silver]

there not a one working in goverment thats looking out for people making 60 t a year not a one

[Twisted Titan]

tag

[solid]

there not a one working in goverment thats looking out for people making 60 t a year not a one

Nor single white men. Single white men, we're the bottom of the barrel. No help or entitlements coming our way. If I'm out of work, they'd piss on my cardboard box home.

[Sparky]

Nor single white men. Single white men, we're the bottom of the barrel. No help or entitlements coming our way. If I'm out of work, they'd piss on my cardboard box home.
Then charge you a sanitation fee.

[solid]

Then charge you a sanitation fee.

Exactly. Hey, Sparky. Just thought I'd share...but we nicknamed a coworker of mine, "Sparky". I'm still laughing about this one. This coworker managed to spray a water hose on a 40 amp battery charger. Well, the charger sparked (a fine grand show), and made that infamous bzzt sound of electronics going belly up.

I couldn't stop laughing for at least an hour. I probably took a few years off my life, being how laughter is good for the soul.

Anyway, my coworker 'Sparky' he's a good man. That was just too damn funny. Glad I was there to see it happen.

[Golden]

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[MNeagle]

Exactly. Hey, Sparky. Just thought I'd share...but we nicknamed a coworker of mine, "Sparky". I'm still laughing about this one. This coworker managed to spray a water hose on a 40 amp battery charger. Well, the charger sparked (a fine grand show), and made that infamous bzzt sound of electronics going belly up.

I couldn't stop laughing for at least an hour. I probably took a few years off my life, being how laughter is good for the soul.

Anyway, my coworker 'Sparky' he's a good man. That was just too damn funny. Glad I was there to see it happen.

ahh solid, it doesn't sound like you had his back man!! You're a meanie!

[solid]

ahh solid, it doesn't sound like you had his back man!! You're a meanie!

I couldn't help it. Honestly, the funniest damn thing I've ever seen.

I had his back though. I told him let's blame me. I'd take the blame for it. He's a good dude, standup kind of guy, wouldn't have anything to do with that.

He's a little pissed though at the good laugh I got, I don't blame him. I was belly up laughing, great stuff.

[k-os]

Exactly. Hey, Sparky. Just thought I'd share...but we nicknamed a coworker of mine, "Sparky". I'm still laughing about this one. This coworker managed to spray a water hose on a 40 amp battery charger. Well, the charger sparked (a fine grand show), and made that infamous bzzt sound of electronics going belly up.

I couldn't stop laughing for at least an hour. I probably took a few years off my life, being how laughter is good for the soul.

Anyway, my coworker 'Sparky' he's a good man. That was just too damn funny. Glad I was there to see it happen.

My dad's co-workers called my dad "Sparky" for another reason. :)