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osoab
15th February 2012, 11:48 AM
Microwave Oven Test – An Eye Opener (http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=35198)




Very interesting!!!! time to act

Below is a Science fair project presented by agirl in a secondary school.

In it she took filtered water and divided it into two parts.


The first part she heated to boiling in a pan on the stove, and the second part she heated to boiling in a microwave.



Then after cooling she used the water to water two identical plants to see if there would be any difference in the growth between the normal boiled water and the water boiled in a microwave.


She was thinking that the structure or energy of the water may be compromised by microwave.


As it turned out, even she was amazed at the difference, after the experiment which was repeated by her class mates a number of times and had the same result.

http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-11-300x200.jpg (http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-11.jpg)

http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-21-300x200.jpg (http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-21.jpg)

http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-31-300x200.jpg (http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-31.jpg)

http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-41-300x200.jpg (http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-41.jpg)

http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-51-300x200.jpg (http://sovereignindependent.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mic-51.jpg)

It has been known for some years that the problem with microwaved anything is not the radiation people used to worry about, it’s how it corrupts the DNA in the food so the body can not recognize it.



Microwaves don’t work different ways on different substances. Whatever you put into the microwave suffers the same destructive process. Microwaves agitate the molecules to move faster and faster. This movement causes friction which denatures the original make-up of the substance. It results in destroyed vitamins, minerals, proteins and generates the new stuff called radiolytic compounds, things that are not found in nature.


So the body wraps it in fat cells to protect itself from the dead food or it eliminates it fast. Think of all the Mothers heating up milk in these ‘Safe’ appliances. What about the nurse in Canadathat warmed up blood for a transfusion patient and accidentally killed him when the blood went in dead. But the makers say it’s safe. But proof is in the pictures of living plants dying!!!

FORENSIC RESEARCH DOCUMENT Prepared By: William P. Kopp A. R. E. C. Research Operations TO61-7R10/10-77F05 RELEASE PRIORITY: CLASS I ROO1a
Ten Reasons to dispose off your Microwave Oven From the conclusions of the Swiss, Russian and German scientific clinical studies, we can no longer ignore the microwave oven sitting in our kitchens. Based on this research, one can conclude this article with the following: 1). Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term – permanent – brain damage by ‘shorting out’ electrical impulses in the brain [de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue].
2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food.
3). Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by continually eating microwaved foods.
4). The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long term, permanent] within the human body.
5). Minerals, vitamins, and nutrients of all microwaved food is reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit, or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken down.
6). The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free radicals when cooked in microwave ovens.
7). Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumours]. This may explain the rapidly increased rate of colon cancer in UK and America .
8). The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells to increase in human blood.
9). Continual ingestion of microwaved food causes immune system deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations.
10). Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence.

ximmy
15th February 2012, 11:51 AM
microwaved water works well with monsanto seeds...

Awoke
15th February 2012, 12:05 PM
A word of caution to anyone considering running their own experiments with this:

Microwaved water has been known to explode. The Microwave can heat water faster than the vapor bubbles can form, especially in a new, smooth container (Coffee mug, etc), allowing it to superheat even past boiling point. The moment you take it out and disturb the water, you allow vapor to form extremely quickly and the result is scalding water exploding all over you.

If you do this experiment, place a piece of wood in there (chopstick) or something. That will allow vapor to form and nullify the potential of it flashing over onto you. Or let it cool in the microwave for a while before disturbing it.

Twisted Titan
15th February 2012, 01:10 PM
Tagging.......

JohnQPublic
15th February 2012, 01:11 PM
I understand that a microwave oven can cause radiological damage to organic and bio compounds, but I do not understand what it could have done to water! Maybe if there were significant amounts of bacteria in the water or something, but water itself is not "damaged" by microwave energy. I am not disputing the experimental results, but puzzled at what could have caused them. Maybe it produces ozone or some type of oxygen radical that sticks around long enough to cause the plant damage.

Awoke
15th February 2012, 01:30 PM
I understand that a microwave oven can cause radiological damage to organic and bio compounds, but I do not understand what it could have done to water! Maybe if there were significant amounts of bacteria in the water or something, but water itself is not "damaged" by microwave energy. I am not disputing the experimental results, but puzzled at what could have caused them. Maybe it produces ozone or some type of oxygen radical that sticks around long enough to cause the plant damage.


Microwaves agitate the molecules to move faster and faster. This movement causes friction which denatures the original make-up of the substance. It results in destroyed vitamins, minerals, proteins and generates the new stuff called radiolytic compounds, things that are not found in nature.

and from this article:
http://www.facts-are-facts.com/magazin/1-microwave.htm




As Hertel explains, "It is not chemistry, but energy on which we thrive. It is not the molecules of protein or sugar, for instance, that our bodies require, but the energy they consist of, which is manifested in the structures of these molecules. We live from the energy which has built these chemical structures. So chemically understood are for instance, both natural and artificial vitamin Cs identical. Nevertheless, while naturally occurring vitamin C is manifested in beautiful crystalline structures, pharmaceutically produced vitamin C tends to form amorphous clumps.




I'm not 100% sure on how a microwave effects the atomic structure of water, considering pure water is merely H20, but most people use spring, mineral, well or city water, which is rife with impurities, so it's easy to see how this super-heating agitation can alter the atomic structure of the water IMO.

If you're interested, click the link. It's a longish article, but definitely a good read.

LastResort
15th February 2012, 01:53 PM
http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Debunked...

midnight rambler
15th February 2012, 02:09 PM
And we all know that Snopes is the irrefutable source of all factual info.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8

Awoke
15th February 2012, 02:16 PM
I have gone through that snopes article, and I don't buy it. That's why I posted the info about the danger of microwaving water: Because I was researching it so I could run my own experiment.

As usual, I haven't found/made the time for it.

LastResort
15th February 2012, 02:31 PM
Yep I thought it was worth while posting given JQP's comment.

I used to microwave my morning tea water but now it gets heated in the kettle...

joboo
15th February 2012, 03:37 PM
Due to the properties of water (no nutrition or calories) I think it's probably a bad example to use for the microwave debate.

Take some fats, proteins etc... and you're probably looking at not wanting to microwave that. Infra red frequency range is the clear choice.

Irradiated water would most likely mess the plant up (abnormal growth), so there is something to this.

If anything, it would be the impurities mutating in the water causing problems not the water itself.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
15th February 2012, 05:43 PM
I heard that Percy Spencer, the guy who invented the microwave oven, refused to cook his food in it. I can't find supporting info but I wouldn't doubt it.

midnight rambler
15th February 2012, 06:29 PM
The Russians did much research on heating/cooking food with microwaves and ultimately banned microwave 'ovens'.

http://rawlivingfoods.typepad.com/1/2009/06/russians_ban_mi.html

Marv
15th February 2012, 09:13 PM
Seeing as how I don't know how to test water's DNA, I just tried the experiment with the plants instead.

a) I watered the first plant with water straight out of the tap. No significant results. The plant seemed to need watering and appeared the better for it.

b) For the second plant I drew an equal amount of water from the same tap. I then boiled it in a microwave it in a container of non-toxic glazed stoneware. When I poured it on the second plant I observed immediate changes. It appeared dead as a doornail 15 minutes later, but was nicely steamed to a delicate crispness and made a lovely side dish for my lunch.

Don't believe everything you read. Sometimes they leave out something critical. Especially when they are trying to prove one side or the other.

vacuum
15th February 2012, 09:24 PM
I understand that a microwave oven can cause radiological damage to organic and bio compounds, but I do not understand what it could have done to water! Maybe if there were significant amounts of bacteria in the water or something, but water itself is not "damaged" by microwave energy. I am not disputing the experimental results, but puzzled at what could have caused them. Maybe it produces ozone or some type of oxygen radical that sticks around long enough to cause the plant damage.
Liquid water is more complicated than it may seem. The water molecule is highly polar. Some people say that the hydrogen atoms have up to +1/3 effective charge. So in pure liquid water, all kinds of structures form because the hydrogen atoms of one molecule bond to the oxygens of another molecule. All kinds of chains and other things are formed.

http://www.physorg.com/news186417938.html
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/10/at-the-smallest-scale-water-is-a.html
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/21/7973.full
http://nanobiotechnews.com/the-molecular-structure-of-water.html

palani
16th February 2012, 05:22 AM
I energize my drinking water by sitting it on the north pole of a 3,850 gauss magnet. I expect microwaving this water would remove any possible benefits of energizing it.

Awoke
16th February 2012, 06:58 AM
What is the purpose of exposing your water to a magnetic feild?
I've never heard of that.

palani
16th February 2012, 07:07 AM
What is the purpose of exposing your water to a magnetic feild?
I've never heard of that.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magneticwater.htm

http://magnetitewater.com/2.html

This is not the way I do it though. Just some thoughts.

Awoke
16th February 2012, 07:14 AM
Interesting. There must be more detailed info out there. I will look. Thanks.

letter_factory
16th February 2012, 07:33 AM
Yep I thought it was worth while posting given JQP's comment.

I used to microwave my morning tea water but now it gets heated in the kettle...


Water heated naturally by the sun.

http://manyafox.com/cache/national%20parks/sequoia%20tree%20copy.jpg_h385.jpg

Water heated by in aluminum kettle

http://melgibstein.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/jew-cartoon.gif

LastResort
16th February 2012, 01:11 PM
Water heated by in aluminum kettle

I mostly use stainless steel...

Neuro
16th February 2012, 01:28 PM
Seeing as how I don't know how to test water's DNA, I just tried the experiment with the plants instead.

a) I watered the first plant with water straight out of the tap. No significant results. The plant seemed to need watering and appeared the better for it.

b) For the second plant I drew an equal amount of water from the same tap. I then boiled it in a microwave it in a container of non-toxic glazed stoneware. When I poured it on the second plant I observed immediate changes. It appeared dead as a doornail 15 minutes later, but was nicely steamed to a delicate crispness and made a lovely side dish for my lunch.

Don't believe everything you read. Sometimes they leave out something critical. Especially when they are trying to prove one side or the other.
Yes that was a thought I got as well as I reread this article. When I first read it a few years ago, we got rid of our microwave oven, but I wondered about it later, for instance the plant that got the microwave water looks less healthy to begin with (I don't trust the argument that others tried this and got similar results). Further could two plants of the same kind get similar treatment but develop differently? Yes! Could the experiment have been tampered with to get the desired result? Yes!

IMO you need more plants to draw a conclusion, and the important thing is that the examiner is unbiased and honest!

osoab
16th February 2012, 01:39 PM
Alright, I'll do an experiment for you all. I had been planning on doing the microwave water test this year anyway.

What kind of plants? Garden Veggies or herbs?

What kind of control? Non boiled water straight from the tap?

What kind of water? Tap water? Filtered tap water?

Awoke
16th February 2012, 02:04 PM
The purpose is to compare the damage caused by boiling in a microwave VS boiling by thermal convection.

If I was to perform the test, I would use two identical plants, and water with the following.

1) Distilled water boiled by microwave
2) Distilled water boiled by thermal source

If you really wanted to go all out, you could compare all different water types, boiled both ways and document the results.

I am curious to see if there is a difference between distilled water VS. mineral water VS. well (ground) water VS. rain water VS. river (or lake) water VS. Fluorinated water, etc.
But that would be an enormous undertaking, based on my complete lack of free time.

Awoke
16th February 2012, 07:40 PM
Cool. I came from work today and my wife told me that microwaves damage the genetic structure of foods. I said we should get rid of ours. She agreed. We are on the same wavelength with almost all things.

Cebu_4_2
16th February 2012, 08:06 PM
The plant on the left is soaked where the one on the right is much dryer, anyone miss that?

steyr_m
17th February 2012, 08:47 AM
Alright, I'll do an experiment for you all. I had been planning on doing the microwave water test this year anyway.

What kind of plants? Garden Veggies or herbs?

What kind of control? Non boiled water straight from the tap?

What kind of water? Tap water? Filtered tap water?

I do not think it matters what you grow. I would do some herb [I'm actually thinking of doing the same experiment] I'm thinking of doing basil or thyme. That way I can use them when the experiment is done.

I'm thinking of planting three plants. One using tap water ran through a brita filter [I use a well, not city water] the others will be the boiled waters.

Let's compare notes....

osoab
17th February 2012, 08:54 AM
I do not think it matters what you grow. I would do some herb [I'm actually thinking of doing the same experiment] I'm thinking of doing basil or thyme. That way I can use them when the experiment is done.

I'm thinking of planting three plants. One using tap water ran through a brita filter [I use a well, not city water] the others will be the boiled waters.

Let's compare notes....

Sounds good to me. The more tests, the better.


I will be using my fluoridated city tap water. I do run through a filter (chlorine) @ the kitchen sink. I don't have my reverse osmosis set up in the kitchen at this point in time. (need a new sink).

I could immediately start with some 8" tall cabbages I have going in cups.
The weather has not cooperated in getting them into cold frames, but I think I would rather start with new seedlings.

It will take 2-3 weeks on the seedlings to get them up to size for the experiment.
I will not use the boiled water to start the seedlings.
I will use my normal(as of know) fertilizing regimen for the plants.

Road Runner
17th February 2012, 09:34 AM
Sounds fun. I will involve a couple of my homeschooled grandchildren out here and get busy today pulling out some supplies to get going. I too will just use our well water that we drink and use on the place to start the seeds. Would be fun to see several people from different areas do it as well. Good luck everyone.

Awoke
22nd February 2012, 08:26 AM
Bumping for the experiments!

BillBoard
22nd February 2012, 10:53 AM
I will run this experiment and see what happens.

osoab
22nd February 2012, 11:08 AM
I will run this experiment and see what happens.

Good to see back around BillBoard.

Awoke
22nd February 2012, 11:37 AM
I will run this experiment and see what happens.

Please heed post number 3 before you do.

...and welcome back!

osoab
29th February 2012, 05:23 PM
I will be getting ready to do my version of the test soon.

I have 6 plants of the same romaine lettuce variety. I up-potted them about 2 weeks ago. They should need watered again here in less than a week. I will water two with microwaved water, two of out of the faucet, and 2 with the straight boiled. All the plant look healthy at the moment, even the runt of the 6 has about caught up to size. The water is filtered at the tap for chlorine but not fluoride. I will probably add some root stimulator and some Superthrive to the water too. I plan on all of them living, so I don't want to screw up my normal routine.

I plan on leaving them all inside once I start this under fluorescent lights. I have been going placing them outside in the cold frame for the last couple of days during the daytime. Unless anyone thinks I should take them outside, I will leave them under the fluorescent lights until the next watering or until I am ready to plant.

I'll post pics everyday until the next watering.

Neuro
29th February 2012, 05:50 PM
I think the best test would be to use at least 20 plants, randomly assign them into 2 groups, one is watered with conventionally boiled water, the other with microwave boiled water, doesn't matter what water you use, as long as it is from the same source, randomly assign the plants to a source of light (window for instance), shuffle them around frequently to make sure none of them are disadvantaged lightwise, make a qualitative assessment at the end of the experiment (a month or so) backed up by a photograph. Make a quantative assessment by cutting off and weighing the foliage!!

osoab
1st March 2012, 06:35 PM
I think the best test would be to use at least 20 plants, randomly assign them into 2 groups, one is watered with conventionally boiled water, the other with microwave boiled water, doesn't matter what water you use, as long as it is from the same source, randomly assign the plants to a source of light (window for instance), shuffle them around frequently to make sure none of them are disadvantaged lightwise, make a qualitative assessment at the end of the experiment (a month or so) backed up by a photograph. Make a quantative assessment by cutting off and weighing the foliage!!

I would, but I don't want to waste the time and effort on ten plants that may be a total loss.

I figure that 2 each of different boiling methods and 2 control plants would be enough.

I am trying to recreate the experiment that I posted in the OP. They used just 1 plant each and no control. I am also using a different plant. Lettuce should show any problems fairly quickly. I think the plants in the OP experiment are geraniums.

Neuro
2nd March 2012, 04:06 AM
I just think that plants can be weak in themselves, and that may muddle your results if you use to few, but by using several you average out individual weaknesses...

osoab
2nd March 2012, 04:23 AM
I just think that plants can be weak in themselves, and that may muddle your results if you use to few, but by using several you average out individual weaknesses...


Are you questioning my green thumb?

Neuro
2nd March 2012, 04:40 AM
Are you questioning my green thumb?

You should amputate that before the experiment! ;D

osoab
6th March 2012, 04:41 AM
Had to water this morning. These guys were getting dry. I microwaved and boiled the water last night and let it cool while I snoozed. I did not use any fertilizer. I will on my next watering.

The last pic is a regular bic lighter just for size comparison. The ones I watered with the microwaved water were a little smaller that the rest of the plants.

I am using a Red-Romaine that is a short variety. I'll post the specifics later.


edit.

This is the exact variety I got from Johnny's Seed.
Breen (OG) (Pelleted) (http://www.johnnyseeds.com/p-8327-breen-og-pelleted.aspx)Product ID: 118GP






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Awoke
6th March 2012, 05:42 AM
I personally think that using fertilizer will negate the experiment. If you provide fertilzer from an external source, you're not going to see the effects of the water by itself.

Spectrism
6th March 2012, 06:11 AM
Interesting concepts....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg&feature=related


Compare this with:

Exo 15:22 So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.
Exo 15:23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah.
Exo 15:24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?
Exo 15:25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

osoab
7th March 2012, 04:52 AM
Day 2 pics.

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osoab
9th March 2012, 05:00 AM
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The above three pics are from yesterday morning.
Microwave to the left, none in the middle, pot boiled on the right.


The below are pics from this morning.
Same order on the watering methods.
I think I used the runts of the 6 as the microwave test subjects.
They are still a little smaller. I don't see any detrimental issues at this point.

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osoab
9th March 2012, 05:01 AM
These are last two pics from this morning. I couldn't get them in the above post.

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Awoke
9th March 2012, 10:29 PM
I don't see any detrimental issues at this point.

Are you providing fertilizer?

osoab
10th March 2012, 05:58 AM
Are you providing fertilizer?

This watering was only water.

When I up-potted about 3 weeks ago, they got SuperThrive and Kangaroots. Both are not really fertilizer. However, the soil has some Happy Frog 3-8-5 mixed into the soil they are in.


So technically they do have fertilizer, but I haven't added any liquid fertilizer. The Kangaroots promotes root growth. The SuperThrive helps the plants take up micro-nutrients.

Here are the pics from this morning.

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I am noticing that the microwaved are growing but not a thick as the other two at this point.

Neuro
10th March 2012, 06:59 AM
I am noticing that the microwaved are growing but not a thick as the other two at this point.
Well they were a bit smaller to begin with, which is an indication they genetically may be slower growing plants...

osoab
10th March 2012, 07:04 AM
Well they were a bit smaller to begin with, which is an indication they genetically may be slower growing plants...

It's the lushness of the plants that is noticeable. I really couldn't tell a big difference in them other than size when they were up-potted and even up to the point of the latest watering.

We'll see what happens. They have at least 5 days before they get watered again.

Golden
10th March 2012, 10:42 AM
I agree that using fertilizer will mask the effects and make it harder to "see." I'd want to isolate and amplify the waters effects by forcing the plant to receive the bulk of it's nutrients from water/soil alone. Yes they might die quickly but that's the point. To see which ones last the longest. In other words...Get your plants off welfare! The less inputs the easier to control. Also the less to debate about. Using clones from a single plant would eliminate signal noise as well as provide clearer results.

steyr_m
10th March 2012, 10:57 AM
Are you providing fertilizer?

I shouldn't matter, as long as all are the same....

osoab
11th March 2012, 05:30 PM
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Today's pics. The microwave on the left, none in the middle, pot boiled on the right.

Awoke
12th March 2012, 07:16 AM
For this test to be accurate, those plants should be on a water fast, imo.

The point is to see the effect microwaving has on water, and if the effects are detrimental to the life-giving properties of water.
Providing nutrients or anything else from external sources is bypassing the entire point.

Water and sun.

osoab
12th March 2012, 07:30 AM
For this test to be accurate, those plants should be on a water fast, imo.

The point is to see the effect microwaving has on water, and if the effects are detrimental to the life-giving properties of water.
Providing nutrients or anything else from external sources is bypassing the entire point.

Water and sun.

No matter what, these guys are going into the ground. So my watering and initial fertilizing were based off of that assumption. If the microwaved watered ones die, so be it.

The 2nd watering after up-potting was only water.

At least I qualified what I am using. I don't remember the test in OP saying whether or not any fertilizer was used. I also don't remember seeing a plant variety. I am guessing geraniums in the OP, though.

osoab
12th March 2012, 06:53 PM
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Here are today's pics. Same order.

I don't expect any losses by the ninth day.

osoab
14th March 2012, 07:31 PM
I skipped yesterday's pics. Sorry about that.

Here is tonight's. Same order microwaved, none, pot boiled left to right.

I don't think these lettuce plants will die. I am taking them outside tomorrow. Forecast is in the upper 70's for the next week at least.
I will have them in the ground by Sunday.

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I will sacrifice some tomatoes here in a few weeks for another test. Might as well try one more time.

osoab
19th March 2012, 06:00 PM
I planted all of the lettuce plants on Sunday morning. Granted, they may all bolt with the abnormally warm weather we are having. This variety is supposed to be bolt resistant. I'll do a taste test in about a week and see if I need to pull them.

osoab
23rd March 2012, 03:23 PM
I figured I would take a few pics of the plants. They have been in the ground for 5 days.

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The above two are of the test plants. Can you tell the difference?
I'll will point them out. Figured you guys may like to guess.




The below pics are of the same variety of lettuce. The seeds were planted the same day. I planted these guys outside in the cold frames on Feb 15 with all my cabbages, and broccoli, and cauliflower. These guys didn't get up-potted and allowed to get better roots.

Big difference. Like three times smaller.


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osoab
23rd March 2012, 03:29 PM
Since I was taking some pics in the garden, I figured I would show a few of the rest of the plants.


These pics are of the same bed as the puny lettuce on the left above.
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Broccoli, Cauliflower, and one Cabbage

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This is the same bed as the puny lettuce on the right.
The heirloom iceberg is doing much better than the Brean romaine.
Planted at the same time.

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The white stuff is diatomaceous earth. I opened these cold frames up to get some natural rain. It started raining right after I took the pics.

Cebu_4_2
23rd March 2012, 04:00 PM
What purpose is the DE powder? We use that here to control unpopular burrowing critters but it kills the worms too so I don't know what is worse.

osoab
23rd March 2012, 04:27 PM
What purpose is the DE powder? We use that here to control unpopular burrowing critters but it kills the worms too so I don't know what is worse.


Slugs.

They were hit the plants hard. Even this early. Too damn warm... We just had a rain shower/front pass through and the temp dropped to the 50's. This is the lowest temp in 2 weeks.

I will add beer into cups tomorrow to see if that works.

palani
23rd March 2012, 05:07 PM
I will add beer into cups tomorrow to see if that works.

Do you drink the beer and then water the plants indirectly?

osoab
23rd March 2012, 05:09 PM
Do you drink the beer and then water the plants indirectly?

I have yet to "self fertilize" my plants.

I have read and been told that the slugs will drown themselves in a cup of beer. They like beer. Can't really blame them either.

osoab
23rd March 2012, 05:20 PM
I just committed alcohol abuse.

The beer traps are set.

osoab
26th March 2012, 11:23 AM
I just committed alcohol abuse.

The beer traps are set.


Beer traps work kinda sorta. I had one slug in each trap yesterday afternoon. I will check today if I got anymore overnight.

steyr_m
26th March 2012, 06:04 PM
Thanks for contributing to this thread. I'm looking forward to the up-dates.

FreeEnergy
3rd July 2013, 02:12 PM
Dr.Myatt (of some sort).

Apparently, microwaves are safe. Apparently, microwaved food is better than regular, cooked food:

http://www.drmyattswellnessclub.com/Microwave.htm


Cooking in The Microwave Oven:
Is It Safe?
By Dr. Myatt with Nurse Mark

I was amused (but not surprised) at the number of emails I received after describing my awesome high fiber, high Omega-3 English muffin recipe in a recent HealthBeat Newsletter.

"I'm shocked," one reader wrote, "that with all the studies on the dangers of microwave ovens, you still advise people to cook in them"!

Another wrote: I was excited to see your muffin recipes. My only concern is microwaving them as the source of cooking these muffins. I do not use the microwave because I believe it changes the integrity of food...

Now, I know that once some people have their mind made up about something, it's hard to confuse them with facts. I’m sorry to disappoint, dear readers, but anyone who believes there are "numerous studies” proving the microwave oven is unsafe, damages nutrients in food or somehow does other bad things hasn’t really taken a close look at the scientific research on the issue. Many laymen --- and even a number of “scientists” --- are also seriously confused about the difference between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation, and even what the term “radiation” means.

Let’s look at what is really known about the microwave oven, both pro and con, so you make an informed decision about its use instead of giving in to fear stories you may not really understand.
A Quick Physics Lesson

One of the fears about microwave cooking, perpetuated by copious bad science on the internet, is that "microwaves damage DNA and cause cancer." Here’s the real scoop:

Ionizing radiation, which includes nuclear radiation, medical X-rays, gamma rays and even tanning booth UV rays, is extremely high-energy. Ionizing radiation has enough energy to strip electrons off of atoms and at the highest levels of energy, to break apart the nucleus. Ionizing radiation is well known to damage DNA and cause cancer.

Non-ionizing radiation, which includes microwaves, sound waves and visible light rays, has enough energy to agitate atoms in a molecule and cause them to vibrate, but not enough energy to remove electrons. The motion caused by non-ionizing radiation creates heat (or vibration in the case of that “booming” car next to you at the stoplight – yep, that’s a particularly obnoxious form of “radiation”…).

What Scientific Studies Show About Microwave Cooking

Let’s look at the prevailing “anti-microwave oven” claims and see if they are supported by scientific studies.
Claim #1: Microwave cooking destroys nutrients in food.

What studies show: In terms of nutrient preservation, microwave cooking appears comparable to or better than conventional cooking methods.(H,N) Any method of cooking can result in deterioration of nutrients if the cooked food is allowed contact with water because nutrients leach into the cooking water. This nutrient loss not unique to microwave cooking and occurs regardless of cooking type. Vegetables are especially vulnerable to nutrient loss when cooked in water regardless of cooking method.(I,N)

A number of studies that show microwave-cooked foods retain nutritional values better than conventionally cooked food because of lower cooking temperatures and shorter cooking times.(G,J)

Claim #2: Microwaved foods contain more cancer-causing chemicals than conventionally cooked foods.

What studies show: Just the opposite. High-heat cooking such as grilling, barbequing, pan-frying and broiling cause the production of heterocyclic amines (HCAs), polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) and nitrosamines, all known to be carcinogenic. Because the microwave oven cooks at lower temperatures and does not brown or “carmelize” food, there is little if any of these carcinogens produced by microwave cooking.(P,Q,R,S,T) Also, pre-cooking various meats in the microwave before grilling or using other conventional cooking methods has been shown to decrease the production of mutagenic substances up to 9-fold.(U,V,W)

For example, bacon cooked by microwave has significantly lower levels of carcinogenic nitrosamines than conventionally cooked bacon.(A,E,F)
Claim #3: Microwave cooking damages protein.

What studies show: ALL heat cooking alters proteins, a phenomenon called "denaturing." Eggs scrambled on the stove top have altered protein structures. The microwave does not denature proteins more than other heat cooking methods and in fact may alter protein structures less because of lower temperatures and shorter cooking times.(AE,AF)

It should be noted that protein denaturation is not necessarily bad. Many proteins are rendered more digestible by denaturation.(AB,AC,AD)
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Cebu_4_2
3rd July 2013, 03:37 PM
Another douche.