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osoab

3rd November 2010, 07:20 PM

A long read. But well worth it.

So could the Vatican be giving handouts? The numbers are paltry to say the least.

I looked at the record. I fixed the link in the article. The whole speech is documented.

Did somebody just try to buy the British government? (http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/11/conspiracy-theories.html)

By Charlie Stross

(Hat tip to [REDACTED] over on LJ for spotting this one ...)

(DUE TO THE HEAVY LOAD WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING, (90,000 page views/hour — just slightly more than this blog usually gets), comment posting may be slow (or fail completely). — cs.)

Hansard is the official printed transcript of the proceedings of the houses of parliament — in other words, the working log of the British government.

It is an authoritative primary source, and records every speech made in the House of Commons and the House of Lords. Interestingly, it also records words spoken under parliamentary privilege.

So when an eminent member of the House of Lords stands up six hours into a debate and blows the gaff on a shadowy foreign Foundation making a bid to buy the British state, and this is recorded in Hansard (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201011/ldhansrd/text/101101-0003.htm#10110215000101), one tends to sit up and take notice. And one takes even more notice when His Lordship tip-toes around actually naming the Foundation in question, especially after the throw-away about money-laundering for the IRA on behalf of the Bank of England. Parliamentary privilege only stretches so far, it seems, and Foundation X is beyond its reach. I'm going to quote at length below the cut — if you want to read the original, search for "1 Nov 2010 : Column 1538" which is where things begin to tip-toe into Robert Ludlum territory.

(NB: The venue is the House of Lords, at 10:42pm on November 1st, 2010.)

Lord James of Blackheath: At this point, I am going to have to make a very big apology to my noble friend Lord Sassoon [Treasury Minister], because I am about to raise a subject that I should not raise and which is going to be one which I think is now time to put on a higher awareness, and to explain to the House as a whole, as I do not think your Lordships have any knowledge of it. I am sorry that my noble friend Lord Strathclyde [Leader of the House] is not with us at the moment, because this deeply concerns him also.

For the past 20 weeks I have been engaged in a very strange dialogue with the two noble Lords, in the course of which I have been trying to bring to their attention the willing availability of a strange organisation which wishes to make a great deal of money available to assist the recovery of the economy in this country. For want of a better name, I shall call it foundation X. That is not its real name, but it will do for the moment. Foundation X was introduced to me 20 weeks ago last week by an eminent City firm, which is FSA controlled. Its chairman came to me and said, "We have this extraordinary request to assist in a major financial reconstruction. It is megabucks, but we need your help to assist us in understanding whether this business is legitimate". I had the biggest put-down of my life from my noble friend Lord Strathclyde when I told him this story. He said, "Why you? You're not important enough to have the answer to a question like that". He is quite right, I am not important enough, but the answer to the next question was, "You haven't got the experience for it". Yes I do. I have had one of the biggest experiences in the laundering of terrorist money and funny money that anyone has had in the City. I have handled billions of pounds of terrorist money.

Baroness Hollis of Heigham [Labour]: Where did it go to?

Lord James of Blackheath: Not into my pocket. My biggest terrorist client was the IRA and I am pleased to say that I managed to write off more than £1 billion of its money. I have also had extensive connections with north African terrorists, but that was of a far nastier nature, and I do not want to talk about that because it is still a security issue. I hasten to add that it is no good getting the police in, because I shall immediately call the Bank of England as my defence witness, given that it put me in to deal with these problems.

The point is that when I was in the course of doing this strange activity, I had an interesting set of phone numbers and references that I could go to for help when I needed it. So people in the City have known that if they want to check out anything that looks at all odd, they can come to me and I can press a few phone numbers to obtain a reference. The City firm came to me and asked whether I could get a reference and a clearance on foundation X. For 20 weeks, I have been endeavouring to do that. I have come to the absolute conclusion that foundation X is completely genuine and sincere and that it directly wishes to make the United Kingdom one of the principal points that it will use to disseminate its extraordinarily great wealth into the world at this present moment, as part of an attempt to seek the recovery of the global economy.

I made the phone call to my noble friend Lord Strathclyde on a Sunday afternoon—I think he was sitting on his lawn, poor man—and he did the quickest ball pass that I have ever witnessed. If England can do anything like it at Twickenham on Saturday, we will have a chance against the All Blacks. The next think I knew, I had my noble friend Lord Sassoon on the phone. From the outset, he took the proper defensive attitude of total scepticism, and said, "This cannot possibly be right". During the following weeks, my noble friend said, "Go and talk to the Bank of England". So I phoned the governor and asked whether he could check this out for me. After about three days, he came back and said, "You can get lost. I'm not touching this with a bargepole; it is far too difficult. Take it back to the Treasury". So I did. Within another day, my noble friend Lord Sassoon had come back and said, "This is rubbish. It can't possibly be right". I said, "I am going to work more on it". Then I brought one of the senior executives from foundation X to meet my noble friend Lord Strathclyde. I have to say that, as first dates go, it was not a great success. Neither of them ended up by inviting the other out for a coffee or drink at the end of the evening, and they did not exchange telephone numbers in order to follow up the meeting.

I found myself between a rock and a hard place that were totally paranoid about each other, because the foundation X people have an amazing obsession with their own security. They expect to be contacted only by someone equal to head of state status or someone with an international security rating equal to the top six people in the world. This is a strange situation. My noble friends Lord Sassoon and Lord Strathclyde both came up with what should have been an absolute killer argument as to why this could not be true and that we should forget it. My noble friend Lord Sassoon's argument was that these people claimed to have evidence that last year they had lodged £5 billion with British banks. They gave transfer dates and the details of these transfers. As my noble friend Lord Sassoon, said, if that were true it would stick out like a sore thumb. You could not have £5 billion popping out of a bank account without it disrupting the balance sheet completely. But I remember that at about the same time as those transfers were being made the noble Lord, Lord Myners [former Labour Treasury Minister], was indulging in his game of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic of the British banking community. If he had three banks at that time, which had had, say, a deficiency of £1.5 million each, then you would pretty well have absorbed the entire £5 billion, and you would not have had the sore thumb stick out at that time; you would have taken £1.5 billion into each of three banks and you would have absorbed the lot. That would be a logical explanation—I do not know.

My noble friend Lord Strathclyde came up with a very different argument. He said that this cannot be right because these people said at the meeting with him that they were still effectively on the gold standard from back in the 1920s and that their entire currency holdings throughout the world, which were very large, were backed by bullion. My noble friend Lord Strathclyde came back and said to me that he had an analyst working on it and that this had to be stuff and nonsense. He said that they had come up with a figure for the amount of bullion that would be needed to cover their currency reserves, as claimed, which would be more than the entire value of bullion that had ever been mined in the history of the world. I am sorry but my noble friend Lord Strathclyde is wrong; his analysts are wrong. He had tapped into the sources that are available and there is only one definitive source for the amount of bullion that has ever been taken from the earth's crust. That was a National Geographic magazine article 12 years ago. Whatever figure it was that was quoted was then quoted again on six other sites on the internet—on Google. Everyone is quoting one original source; there is no other confirming authority. But if you tap into the Vatican accounts—of the Vatican bank--— come up with a claim of total bullion—

Lord De Mauley [Government Whip]: The noble Lord is into his fifteenth minute. I wonder whether he can draw his remarks to a conclusion.

Lord James of Blackheath: The total value of the Vatican bank reserves would claim to be more than the entire value of gold ever mined in the history of the world. My point on all of this is that we have not proven any of this. Foundation X is saying at this moment that it is prepared to put up the entire £5 billion for the funding of the three Is recreation; the British Government can have the entire independent management and control of it—foundation X does not want anything to do with it; there will be no interest charged; and, by the way, if the British Government would like it as well, if it will help, the foundation will be prepared to put up money for funding hospitals, schools, the building of Crossrail immediately with £17 billion transfer by Christmas, if requested, and all these other things. These things can be done, if wished, but a senior member of the Government has to accept the invitation to a phone call to the chairman of foundation X—and then we can get into business. This is too big an issue. I am just an ageing, obsessive old Peer and I am easily dispensable, but getting to the truth is not. We need to know what really is happening here. We must find out the truth of this situation.

I am left rubbing my eyes.

Did a not-obviously-insane member of the government — a corporate troubleshooter and Conservative life peer — really just stand up in the House of Lords and announce that a shadowy Foundation (that might or might not represent the Vatican) was offering the British government an investment of umpty-billion pounds in order to reboot the economy — free, gratis, with no strings attached?

Or am I just imagining the "no strings attached" clause?

Edited link and added quotes.

osoab

3rd November 2010, 07:51 PM

Here's the link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_lords/newsid_9146000/9146065.stm) to the video of the speech. Jump to about 2:27:45.

That is unless you want to sit through 2 and half hours of pompous fools talking.

Couldn't embed the video.

osoab

3rd November 2010, 08:01 PM

His whole speech starts at 2:27:45. The part highlighted starts at 2:34:10

If you center the slider over the left side of the embed box puts you close. Let the video load before moving. I have been having issues with navigating the video.

His is actually a good speech. Talking about have the gov seize defunct retailers that are under the thumb of the banks.

osoab

3rd November 2010, 08:04 PM

Watching him talk about his involvement in funneling terrorist money for the IRA and North Africans is odd.

Glass

3rd November 2010, 08:14 PM

osoab

3rd November 2010, 08:19 PM

That is/was very weird. Not sure what to make of it. After he finishes they just continue on with the original business. foundation X huh?

I've read some other threads and another Hansard analysis site and no one seems to have dug up anything else. I doubt it is the Vatican. According to what I have read they already own the UK and administer is through the City of London.

That what I was thinking too. It really couldn't be the Vatican. Rothschild doesn't make sense either.

But 5 billion pounds earlier plus another 5 billion now and another 17 billion before Christmas?

That is one hell of a foundation.

chad

3rd November 2010, 08:22 PM

wait, wait, wait. the only definitive source of how much gold has ever been mined is from national geographic? from 12 years ago?

i'm pretty sure some gold was mined in the last 12 years.

:oo-->

osoab

3rd November 2010, 08:29 PM

wait, wait, wait. the only definitive source of how much gold has ever been mined is from national geographic? from 12 years ago?

i'm pretty sure some gold was mined in the last 12 years.

:oo-->

I have been thinking about that too. I think the whole point was the Vatican has the goods. Besides wouldn't the last 12 yrs of gold production still be paltry to the total mined over history? And what about USGS numbers?

Filthy Keynes

3rd November 2010, 10:35 PM

Tagging for reading later.

hoarder

4th November 2010, 05:05 AM

Rothschild doesn't make sense either.
If anyone buys the British Government they would be paying the Rothschilds because that's who owns it.

osoab

4th November 2010, 05:11 AM

Rothschild doesn't make sense either.
If anyone buys the British Government they would be paying the Rothschilds because that's who owns it.

So what "Foundation" would back itself with gold and only want to meet with a head of state?

Awoke

4th November 2010, 05:21 AM

Even more curious is the statement about how they expect to be contacted only by "a head of State" or someone that has the security status of the "Six most powerful people in the world".

I can't watch the video here right now, but thanks for posting this curious piece.

hoarder

4th November 2010, 05:23 AM

So what "Foundation" would back itself with gold and only want to meet with a head of state?
A fake one of course.

DMac

4th November 2010, 07:17 AM

I wouldn't put too much weight behind things said in the House of Lords because it is the place the Brits put all the nutty gov workers, IIRC.

Regardless, it is a really odd speech he gave.

I wonder if it is the Gates Foundation? They were in England last week I think.

Vatican is also a possibility, but for some reason, I really doubt it is them. Just my gut telling me it's not them.

As stated above Rothschild bought out the Bank of England over 100 years ago and has been in firm control of England and her economics for a looooong time. This is either some agent of Rothschild, agent of some sort of controlled opposition type group, or who the fk knows.. Russians, perhaps? Chinese?

Hmm...

I think someone is trying to get an alliance with the UK before the bombs start going off.

osoab

4th November 2010, 04:44 PM

Lord James: Foundation X not a scam (http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/security-bullet-in-10000166/lord-james-foundation-x-not-a-scam-10020958/)

A mysterious organisation that claims to have billions of pounds to invest in the UK economy is not an attempted scam, according to a peer with extensive City experience.

Lord James of Blackheath told ZDNet UK on Thursday that the organisation, which Lord James has dubbed 'Foundation X', to his knowledge is a viable organisation.

"I'm convinced it's bona fide," said James. "I've been working on this case for five months, and I've not found a single reason [to think otherwise]."

Blogger Hopi Sen suggested in a blog post on Wednesday that the mysterious organisation could be the "United Nations Office of International Treasury Control" (UNOITC), which claims to be a sovereign entity formed after the Second World War.

James told ZDNet UK that he had not been approached by the UNOITC, and that there were no links between Foundation X and UNOITC.

James, who was a respected troubleshooter in the City, made a speech to Parliament on Monday. James said that a mysterious organisation was willing to put £5bn into the UK economy, plus an extra £17bn for hospitals, schools, and Crossrail, with no strings attached.

"The problem is, the government has not carried through the checks that I want them to do and open up lines of enquiry," James told ZDNet UK.

James also said in Parliament that he had been appointed by the Bank of England to "deal with problems" caused by the laundering of terrorist money.

"I have had one of the biggest experiences in the laundering of terrorist money and funny money that anyone has had in the City," James said in Parliament. "I have handled billions of pounds of terrorist money. My biggest terrorist client was the IRA and I am pleased to say that I managed to write off more than £1bn of its money. I have also had extensive connections with north African terrorists, but that was of a far nastier nature, and I do not want to talk about that because it is still a security issue."

James told ZDNet UK on Thursday that he had been brought into five companies between 1989 and 1997/98 at the direction of the Bank of England. James was to run the companies down, as they had been identified as conduits for IRA funds.

"The IRA had five companies completely ruined," said James. "They had built the companies up as pensions funds."

James' express instructions were to run the companies down and liquidise the assets, he said.

"I'm a money washer, not a money launderer," said James.

osoab

4th November 2010, 04:47 PM

I just tried the UNOITC (http://www.unoitc.org/) site. It is down. Says bandwidth exceeded.

Hmmmm.

osoab

4th November 2010, 04:55 PM

Wiki Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_International_Treasury_Control)

Hoax organization?

His speech on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE

osoab

4th November 2010, 05:01 PM

I am just posting part of the article. Most of it rehashes what has been posted.

What the hell is a "City grandee"?

Conservative peer Lord James of Blackheath: I'm a money washer, not a money launderer (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/conservative-peer-lord-james-of-blackheath-i-wrote-off-more-than-1billion-of-ira-cash-14995248.html)

Background

Lord James is a City grandee, whose career spans five recessions and has been corporate restructuring expert for over 30 years. He is an adviser for Cerberus Capital Management, a US private equity house and distressed debt investor, that tried to bid for Northern Rock.

He has also been involved with restructuring of Lloyd's of London in the 1980s, the Eagle Trust - the manufacturer involved in the Iraqi supergun affair, and the doomed Millennium Dome.

In 2005 he was appointed as an adviser to Michael Howard, awarded the CBE in 1992 and made a life baron in 2006. Read more at Wikipedia

The transcript of the proceedings are listed in the official parliamentary records Hansard here.

A recording of the speech is available to view below. Lord James begins his address at around the 2 minutes 30 seconds mark.

Agrippa

4th November 2010, 05:23 PM

It sounds to me like the Nigerians are starting to target governments:

"If you will please to respond with your bank account number and any passwords pertaining to the account we will expedite the wiring of 5 billions of pounds as an initial payment in good faith which you can use to begin the restore of finances of your country".

Filthy Keynes

4th November 2010, 05:54 PM

"Money washer"... Hmmm... He sounds like John Perkins, who recently came clean and wrote a book about it. I read the book last winter.

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man [Paperback]
John Perkins (Author)

http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288914754&sr=8-1

http://kellylowenstein.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/confessions-of-an-economic-hit-man.jpg

osoab

4th November 2010, 06:01 PM

So what "Foundation" would back itself with gold and only want to meet with a head of state?
A fake one of course.

I was thinking along the lines of Fulford's Black Dragon Society.

DMac

4th November 2010, 06:28 PM

Speaking of Fulford, I checked his site today, he's claiming the NKoreans have 6 nukes stationed in Japan for blackmail purposes. ;D

chad

4th November 2010, 06:30 PM

Speaking of Fulford, I checked his site today, he's claiming the NKoreans have 6 nukes stationed in Japan for blackmail purposes. Lulz ;D

he doesn't know anything anymore since they took the baby alien implant out of his spine.

osoab

4th November 2010, 06:43 PM

Financial Times covering this? I am only posting what the typed. Not posting parts of the speech again.

Sorry if I am beating this. But this is just odd.

The parliamentary Foundation X-files [updated] (http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/11/03/392971/the-parliamentary-foundation-x-files/)

Oh, all right, some quick comment by way of context — Lord Sassoon is Commercial Secretary to the Treasury and sits in the Cabinet, Lord Strathclyde leads the Conservative party in the House of Lords. And Lord James is a City grandee who consults Cerberus Capital Management, among others.

So it is kind of a big deal if Lord James got Lord Sassoon to talk to, erm, Foundation X around the time the Treasury was preparing its massive, gigantically time-consuming, spending review.

Ahem.

(Note that Lord James has made another strange speech (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2010-10-21a.903.2&s=speaker:13880#g923.0), on immigration, recently.)

Finally, here’s Lord Sassoon himself on the matter, via Hansard (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2010-11-01a.1463.8#g1551.2):

Part of Lord Sassoon's speech.

Lord Myners: …Clearly, the noble Lord has access to the solution that, with one leap, will take all the Government’s problems of financing to a better place. The Minister has clearly been remarkably bad at responding to the noble Lord and we look forward to the Minister’s explanation now.

Lord Sassoon: I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Myners. He had great trouble keeping a straight face. I have to say that I took extremely seriously my noble friend Lord James of Blackheath’s suggestions that there were people who could help us out with our financial difficulty. The noble Lord, Lord Myners, thinks it is all a joke. I have been in detailed discussions over the past number of weeks with the noble Lord, Lord James of Blackheath, and of course we take seriously anyone who wants to invest in our economy. I know many people believe that there will be great opportunities in our infrastructure programme to invest in rebuilding our networks to underpin growth.

Still more @ link about the UNOITC.

osoab

4th November 2010, 06:44 PM

Silver Shield

4th November 2010, 07:13 PM

Rothschilds own the Bank of England, manage the Vatican bank, and have the Queen in eommich debt she needs to turns the heat off in parts of her palace this winter.

osoab

4th November 2010, 07:20 PM

Rothschilds own the Bank of England, manage the Vatican bank, and have the Queen in eommich debt she needs to turns the heat off in parts of her palace this winter.

Exactly. So what foundation would even be attempting to throw this fiat around and also happens to be on their own gold standard.

Someone above said Gates Foundation. I would think that 17 billion pounds would all but break the bank.

Could this be a psyop to get the commoners to open their pockets to the British Treasury?

Lord James seems credible in his claims. I liked the part in his speech where he says

Lord James of Blackheath:

Not into my pocket. My biggest terrorist client was the IRA and I am pleased to say that I managed to write off more than £1 billion of its money. I have also had extensive connections with north African terrorists, but that was of a far nastier nature, and I do not want to talk about that because it is still a security issue. I hasten to add that it is no good getting the police in, because I shall immediately call the Bank of England as my defence witness, given that it put me in to deal with these problems.

So, that would be the Rothschild's would be the one who directed him to wash money for the IRA?

Twisted Titan

7th November 2010, 07:53 AM

For being a barberous relic that pays no interest or dividends.

Its still finds itself being the ultimate collateral.

Never stop buying Gold and Silver.

Ever.

T

osoab

7th November 2010, 08:07 AM

Repatriation of Crown Funds?

These Canadian Pensions Funds have been on one hell of a buying spree.

Canada Pension Funds Win GBP2.1B UK High-Speed Rail Auction (http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101105-707528.html)

Two big Canadian pension funds have won a GBP2.1 billion contract for a high-speed rail link connecting London with the Channel Tunnel.

Borealis Infrastructure, the infrastructure investment arm of Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System, or OMERS, and Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan (OTP.YY) said early Friday they were the winning bidders in the British government's auction for the rail network, called High Speed 1.

The contract is a result of a process that started in June when the British goverment announced the start of a competition to sell a 30-year concession to own and operate the 68-mile high-speed rail network.

People familiar with the matter had told Dow Jones earlier this week that at least two other groups had submitted offers. One was to have included Eurotunnel PLC (GET.FR) and two of its shareholders, Infracapital and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS). Another was said to include Morgan Stanley's (MS) infrastructure fund, 3i Group PLC's (III.LN) infrastructure fund and the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority.

Websites: www.omers.com, www.borealis.ca

keehah

7th November 2010, 06:53 PM

Sorcha Faal Nov.07, 2010: Secretive Knights Templar Make Astounding Bid To Save World (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1420.htm)

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/11/conspiracy-theories.html

RumorMillNews: Sunday, 10-Sep-2000 An Explanation Faction Two (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=4286)

The mission of the Federal Reserve System in the United States is to rake off as much American wealth as possible before destroying the sovereignty of the United States and delivering it into a one world government....

Sources have said that this gold will be used to back the new monetary unit of Europe, the Euro. When the Euro is finally backed by gold, it will become the currency of choice for the business World. This will cause the dollar to fall, and according to my sources in Faction 2, the fall of the dollar will mean the end of the Federal Reserve Banking System and its member banks. Hopefully this will also end the international bankers' plans for creating a New World Order.

Since 1995 a war has been going on in the financial world. Most people are so naive about the way the financial world works that they do not even begin to understand how the war is being fought.

One of the ways it is being fought is by sucking as many naive investors into the stock market as possible. Once the powers who are fighting this war believe they have sucked up as much money as they possibly can, they will try to engineer a stock market crash in a way that will leave as much money as possible in the hands of their group. In other words, both groups are working to crash the market, destroy their enemy, and leave themselves in the driver's seat. The real losers in all of this are the innocent people who put their life savings in a rigged stock market!

If Faction One - the international bankers who we call the New World Order - wins, a one world government will be implemented and humanity will become slaves... at least the ones who survive the purge... and I will bet you that YOU and I won't be amoung the survivors!

If Faction Two wins, there is a plan to take the money that has been stolen from the people of the world, and give it back to the people of the world. These plans are drawn up and can be implemented at any time the funds are released.

There is a new faction, one that has labeled itself Faction Three. This new faction is not aligned with either of the two older factions...

Horn

7th November 2010, 07:19 PM

Isn't it just like the devil to have someone walk up & hand him everything?

osoab

7th November 2010, 07:19 PM

Sorcha Faal Nov.07, 2010: Secretive Knights Templar Make Astounding Bid To Save World (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1420.htm)

I'll read it, but why did we have to bring Sorcha Fail into this?

osoab

7th November 2010, 07:35 PM

Sorcha Faal Nov.07, 2010: Secretive Knights Templar Make Astounding Bid To Save World (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1420.htm)

Alright, all I read was crap.

Fortyone

7th November 2010, 07:37 PM

osoab

7th November 2010, 08:20 PM

Speaking of Fulford, I checked his site today, he's claiming the NKoreans have 6 nukes stationed in Japan for blackmail purposes. ;D

Quayle is spouting that a Bank Holiday is going to occur by the 11th.

isnt the 11th "memory Day" like Veteran's Day in the states? banks closed anyway

you would be correct.

http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/10_Money/101104.bank.holiday.Steve.html

1st paragraph

So what's up? Yesterday I received a call that should alarm for even the most "comatose in La La Land". A pastor known to the gentleman who called me had been called into a very prominent East Coast bank to tell the pastor by one of its top people at the bank that a bank holiday is coming as early as Nov 11.

FunnyMoney

7th November 2010, 11:54 PM

Rothschilds own the Bank of England, manage the Vatican bank, and have the Queen in eommich debt she needs to turns the heat off in parts of her palace this winter.

I don't think 17 billion would get their interest. And who would really want to buy anyway, there's not much left to suck out of that nation. Everything is already leveraged and in debt. Only the Chinese have any money and could, I guess, exchange some US bonds for that sick corrupt bunch of criminal power systems. But still, why would they want to sell it, they can simply print the money which is selling it and keeping it both.
I think it's more likely that the Chinese will leave those PTB alone and get on with their own money making operations.

MAGNES

8th November 2010, 07:24 PM

CRAZY: Lord James of Blackheath, House of Lords, 01/11/2010

Lord James of Blackheath, Speech on Foundation X (House of Lords, 01/11/2010)

Sassoon is involved, BOE is involved, all sorts of crazy stuff.

Keep in mind this is on the record in Parliament, crazy .

Someone needs to be locked up I think ? Either him or his contacts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE

MAGNES

8th November 2010, 07:35 PM

Sorcha Faal Nov.07, 2010: Secretive Knights Templar Make Astounding Bid To Save World (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1420.htm)

I'll read it, but why did we have to bring Sorcha Fail into this?

Keehah has gone mason on us, his own words, " I am more a mason than an christian "

Muddy the waters prime mission, make everyone stupid.

He is goldissima's creation.

I just figured Sorcha Fail was a known taboo here, especially by an gimmer/gsuser.

Full disclusore Magnes, I am not a christian either, just an Illinoisan.

You asked , I answered, I have seen his posting change big time, go way back,
we were online friends allies searching for truth, some of his posts were great
on gim, etc, I ain't religious either, I took notice of this whole thing cause of the
video, something is going on, we do not need to bring conspiracies into this,
especially Khazar disinfo artists, Keehah of all people knows this better than any.

Now back to the speech, something is going on, either he is a nut or his contacts are nuts. No ?
That ain't a lot of money he is talking anyways, accordingly MSFT or AAPL could buy Europe, lol .
US companies have over $1 Trillion + cash sitting in banks, not all but some index, last reported,
SP500 I believe ? Buying power soon to shrink due to FED action, lol .

osoab

8th November 2010, 07:39 PM

Horn

8th November 2010, 08:49 PM

Keehah has gone mason on us, his own words, " I am more a mason than an christian "

Muddy the waters prime mission, make everyone stupid.

He is goldissima's creation.

There must be some back room conversations going on recently?

I'm seeing another recent "Battle of the Bulge" / "push" building again.

Verdict on Sorcha was not rendered at all, only provided.

If you'd like to point out the more "muddying" of parts, I'd more than happy to inspect them.

My better judgment tells me you're throwing the gavel too early here, Magnes.

Glass

8th November 2010, 09:22 PM

Guy claims to launder money from drug dealers. Does it all the time. Been doing it for years. During the boom it was a piece of cake. But these days it's getting hard to find ways of laundering money because auditors are poking their noses in some places. Also it's all in unmarked US bills and as you know the dollar's tanking so we need to get out before it becomes worthless. We got to shift this dough Jimmie. Ask around for us and see what you can come up with. Maybe your chums can help us out. No questions asked. Mums the word.

I'd suggest parliaments are probably the second best places to bolt together criminal deals.

Either that or he's a cross dressing sissy boy and his mistress dared him to say that on the record under threat of being canned until raw..... just for a laff mind.

12:22

keehah

8th November 2010, 11:33 PM

I took notice of this whole thing cause of the
video, something is going on, we do not need to bring conspiracies into this,
especially Khazar disinfo artists, Keehah of all people knows this better than any.

Now back to the speech, something is going on, either he is a nut or his contacts are nuts. No ?

I am neither mason nor christian. I am not hoodwinked by either. My knowledge on physics and history run deeper than the bible or sheep training. Or sheep sheep herder training for that matter. Do you have a problem with my science? Well post something better than I am able to offer and shows any flaws in my attempts to break through the BS the mainstream uses to keep truth hidden. I'm open to learning better ways of seeing and simplifying the truth of the matter.

So we get a thread about 'X' trying to buy the british government and I am the first here who bothers to share a link to what others are saying 'X' could be. Your 'not approved source' was just a f*cking link! And you don't even know why I posted it. Could be the same reason I post pro-Lukid crap and the like once in a while. And part of my reason for even linking it was because one did not even need to click it, the link said all we knew the site would offer. And I can only think of Templars and the Vatican (are they the same?) that have been rumored to have large gold hoards.

So what should I have done? Be like you and say 'he is nuts.' And attack anyone including long time friends and known information and truth seekers who offers some other possibility other than all this was a figment of imagination of a nut job?

A f*cking member of Parliament in good standing on official Parliament record is talking about a hidden group trying to buy the British government and you say "we do not need to bring conspiracies into this." And that he should be "locked up". WTF?!? Is this not classic 'make/keep everyone stupid' sh*t? Hypocrite.

And do you have a list of the websites you deem we are not allowed to link to here? Your acting like Skyvike. At least its his site and he only has one 'forbidden link' I can think of and warned us in advance before he shat all over someone for posting an unapproved link. And your one of the biggest sh*tters on Skyvike here. Hypocrite.

That ain't a lot of money he is talking anyways, accordingly MSFT or AAPL could buy Europe, lol .
US companies have over $1 Trillion + cash sitting in banks

And your going on about gold being the same as fiat money? Hypocrite.

I'll share a reason why Khazar disinfo artist type sh*t bugs me more than idiots, fools or people I think have it all backwards: Hypocrites.

MAGNES, good times man. |--0--|

mick silver

9th November 2010, 03:35 AM

i would say they have sold there asses a long time ago ....

DMac

9th November 2010, 07:54 AM

Sorcha Faal is pushing the Vatican as "Foundation X" agenda. My gut feeling when this story broke was that it is not the Vatican. Seeing that there is a "troubling report circulating the Kremlin today..." point the finger at Rome just solidifies my instinct.

I'm leaning more and more towards some sort of oligarch making this push. A Soros foundation, perhaps? Russia connected somehow..

Book

9th November 2010, 08:21 AM

These things can be done, if wished, but a senior member of the Government has to accept the invitation to a phone call to the chairman of foundation X—and then we can get into business.

Too funny. He identifies EVERYBODY ELSE but not the "chairman" of "Foundation X". But...but...but he has his phone number...lol.

:oo-->

FreeEnergy

9th November 2010, 08:44 AM

DMac

9th November 2010, 09:01 AM

This is either some agent of Rothschild, agent of some sort of controlled opposition type group, or who the fk knows.. Russians, perhaps? Chinese?

Russians would most likely be Rothschilds again. Ask yourself, who finances Putin-Medvedev, who buys all oil and gas? BP and/or Shell. The only non-gov. controlled russian oil company in top 5 is Lukoil, and it is controlled by Rothschild.

Chinese.. this is a wild card. I bet they are in bed with TPTB, pretty tied up. They are a cautious bunch though.

Here's a good question: WERE IS THE GOLD? it is sure not in US or britain, these two are done fore. not in Germany. my best guess would be Switzerland or Vatican.

Regarding the gold, Yamash*ta treasure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamash*ta%27s_gold)?

I know Chabad runs Russia. There are competing factions within the elite, AFAIK, so I don't rule out of the "minions" making an attempt to step up. Chinese? Also possible, though I doubt it. I think they are also mostly under Chabad rule.

**edit**

Software editing out Yamashita lol.
Tiny URL to the Wiki link:
http://tinyurl.com/2f85j9r

keehah

9th November 2010, 05:54 PM

http://www.straight.com/article-356712/vancouver/foundation-x-wants-buy-uk

During a television interview [dead link] today with Sky News, Lord James shed more light on the nature of the organization. He referred to their resources as as a "massive supernational accumulation of funds which are ... the proceeds of ... commercial activity ... over ... a hundred years".

When asked about their possible motivation, Lord James claimed "they will protect the world ... so they will continue to survive with their wealth in it". He claimed the organization is concerned about energy and the environment and interested in funding technologies such as "underground gasification of coal".

Asked whether he is concerned the organization is a hoax, he claimed, "I am progressively comfortable with the genineness of their approach" and that the organization has provided a list of high profile global individuals that will validate their existence if contacted by representatives of the British government.

Lord James also elaborated on the loan conditions, claiming the loan would require no repayment schedule. Leaders in the UK government had not yet agreed to take the steps necessary to pursue the loans.

Lord James also spoke with ZDNet UK (http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/security-bullet-in-10000166/lord-james-foundation-x-not-a-scam-10020958/), who asked him about his claimed involvement in money laundering. He elaborated on his covert work for the Bank of England, claiming that he'd been brought into five companies that had been originally built up using IRA pension funds and through which money was being laundered. His instructions were to "run the companies down and liquidise the assets".

osoab

9th November 2010, 06:23 PM

mick silver

9th November 2010, 07:16 PM

Soros the master of all . the man see him self to be god like

osoab

9th November 2010, 07:23 PM

Soros the master of all . the man see him self to be god like

Soros the master? Naw, just another pawn in a good position.

Horn

9th November 2010, 08:16 PM

Well if there is any such bunch that runs the show, it would be an energy focused group.

It's not new, and it ain't order.

Glass

9th November 2010, 08:23 PM

working video Sky interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aWTsxSOTDA

As I said. Looks like they have lots of money and are losing value so it is obviously in devaluing currencies or in businesses in declining economies.

osoab

10th November 2010, 03:14 PM

Just found this. Interesting to say the least.

I have never heard of this guy before. Archbishop Cranmer?

Off topic, is/was the IRA a front for MI6?

Foundation X, Lord James of Blackheath, and the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow (http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2010/11/foundation-x-lord-james-of-blackheath.html)

A maverick, paranoid old peer who’s lost his marbles?

Or a respected industrialist who has had a real encounter with the ‘dark forces’ who really run the world?

ConservativeHome surprisingly linked yesterday to a Sky News interview with Lord James, who describes his dealings with a secret organisation called ‘Foundation X’.

His Grace says ‘surprisingly’, because it is the sort of issue with which if one attempts to engage one rapidly loses credibility and is invariably labelled a nutter, lunatic, fruitcake, extremist, conspiracy theorist, etc., etc. But being a man-made-global-warming-denying Christian of the Protestant Anglican variety who supports retention of the Act of Settlement and favours withdrawal from European Union, His Grace is well used to argumentum ad hominem.

In the interview, the Noble Lord claims that the Foundation wants ‘to help save the world’, and wishes to lend billions of pounds to Britain, interest free – in order to support a ‘massive improvement’ in the jobs market, fund renewable energy, build schools and hospitals, and help the construction of Crossrail – for which it will begin to provide the necessary funds if it receives a positive answer from the Government within the next week.

No strings, no interest, no repayment schedule…

Perhaps the Noble Lord might introduce His Grace to these nice people?

He talks of a ‘massive supranational accumulation of funds’ ordered by ‘the most powerful and the most high-profile people on the whole world stage…at the highest level of security’.

Hmm…

Sounds a bit Dan Brown.

Or Bilderberg.

Except that Dan Brown weaves a modicum of truth into his novels and Bilderberg are real enough for Margaret Thatcher to have considered it an honour to be excluded from and criticised by them.

The Noble Lord’s speech may be rather fantastical and utterly incredible, but it is now recorded for posterity in Hansard for generations of conspiracy theorists to pore over every detail, just as they still do with the death of Diana, the assassination of JKF and the events of September 11th 2001.

Lord James certainly knows a thing or two about high finance: he is a former senior adviser to the Conservative party, whose judgment is manifestly trusted by Michael Howard and David Cameron.

But his speech has a curious sweep: it begins with Brigadoon, the mythical village that appears for only one day every hundred years; it then moves on to an admission of money laundering billions of pounds of terrorist money on behalf of the IRA and unspecified African dictators; and ends with the claim that the Noble Lord has been recruited by the mysterious ‘Foundation X’ that wishes to invest £5 billion in the United Kingdom, with an extra £17 billion for hospital, schools and Crossrail by Christmas.

Apparently ‘Foundation X’ possesses huge reserves of ‘stateless’ funds all backed up with gold bullion. Lord James dismisses the observation that such colossal sums would amount to more than the entire gold bullion ever mined from the earth: there are things we simply do not know which, apparently, the Vatican bank does know (His Grace was intrigued to know more about this, but irritatingly the Government Whip Lord De Mauley interrupted the Noble Lord the moment he mentioned the Vatican, which is a delicious conspiracy within the conspiracy: was the recent visit by His Holiness simply a potential buyer viewing a prospective property?).

With such great wealth to bestow, ‘Foundation X’ is understandably a little reluctant to make itself widely known lest they be flooded with thousands of troublesome begging letters. Only a meeting with David Cameron or George Osborne will suffice: after all, why would ‘the most powerful and the most high-profile people on the whole world stage’ want to deal with anyone less?

So, for the past 21 weeks (he keeps a very accurate diary), Lord James has been investigating and working with the Foundation, and he has come to the ‘absolute conclusion that “Foundation X” is completely genuine and sincere and that it directly wishes to make the United Kingdom one of the principal points that it will use to disseminate its extraordinarily great wealth as part of an attempt to seek the recovery of the global economy."

Right.

So convinced is the Noble Lord that he has introduced the shadowy representatives of ‘Foundation X’ to the Leader of the House of Lords, Lord Strathclyde.

Apparently, they didn’t hit it off, and there were no invitations to drinks.

The Bank of England passed the enquiry on to the Treasury, which has done what the Treasury tends to do.

Sit on it.

And so, out of frustration that Her Majesty’s Government is about to miss an unmissable opportunity to reduce the deficit and invest in much-needed infrastructure, Lord James decided to tell the world.

And he apparently has the support of Treasury Minister, Lord Sassoon.

His Grace received a request yesterday evening from the Ambassador of the Inter-Galactic Federation, imploring him to comment upon this. And he is delighted to do so.

It was Disraeli who said: ‘The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.’

But 'Foundation X' is not made up of such personages.

His Grace is sorry to spoil the conspiracy party, but this is an elaborate and very sophisticated hoax.

Lord James has neither lost his marbles nor encountered the dark forces of the Illuminati: intelligent men tend not to waste their time looking for the crock of gold at the end of the rainbow because they know the laws of physics and that rainbows are full circles. They tend not to believe in leprechauns or fairies at the bottom of the garden or little green men from Mars. The Noble Lord has simply been had, Jeremy Beadle-like, by a group who get kicks out of duping the gullible and naïve.

How does His Grace know?

Wikipedia is hardly reliable, for a shadowy organisation such as ‘Foundation X’ would be certain to employ anonymous minions to deflect unwanted attention and throw obsessive freelance investigators off the conspiracy scent.

But some ‘facts’ speak for themselves:

Who is Lord James?

As Lord Strathclyde has helpfully pointed out, he is 'not important enough' to be the go-between in such negotiations. It is widely known that ‘the most powerful and the most high-profile people on the whole world stage' do not need to use minions: they simply go for a jolly to Sitges and speak directly to whomever they wish about nuking Iran, propping up the Euro or ensuring the promotion of David Cameron to No10.

It is extremely unlikely (to put it mildly) that the IRA ever possessed anything like £1bn: and, if they did, it beggars belief that Lord James would have laundered it at the behest of the Bank of England while the terrorists were blowing up Margaret Thatcher and her entire Cabinet, and murdering women and children in Manchester and Enniskillen.

If they did, Lord Tebbit would have been onto the case.

As certain members of the House of Commons have recently discovered, Parliamentary privilege does not stretch to illegal activity: the Noble Lord should be immediately arrested and an investigation into these allegations must swiftly follow. If he had ‘extensive connections with North African terrorists’, and these still present a ‘security issue’, the matter is of the utmost importance.

The Noble Lord hastened to add: “…it is no good getting the police in, because I shall immediately call the Bank of England as my defence witness, given that it put me in to deal with these problems."

Having interviewed a sitting prime minister, Yates of the Yard would not be fazed by a few recumbent bankers.

More persuasively, what supranational body seeks to give away billions of pounds interest free with no repayment schedule and no strings attached?

Lord James said they wished to do this in order to preserve their fortune. Well, it doesn’t take a degree in economics to understand that this would be the quickest way of wiping out their fortune. At the very least, it would be diminished year-on-year by the ravages of inflation. And that inflation would only be be stoked by the moral hazard which 'Foundation X' would condone by bailing out the government of a country whose government is the very cause of their financial woes.

Even more persuasively, if a benevolent and philanthropic foundation worth billions wished to pour billions into establishing schools and hospitals, it would not seek to do so through the intolerable bureaucratic frustrations of central government: it would do so directly.

Ask Bill Gates.

Why would they bother with here-today-gone-tomorrow politicians when the world is already in the filthy hands of Mammon?

At the very least, we would have ‘Foundation X’ academies and ‘Foundation X’ hospitals and hospices, not to draw attention to the organisation itself but to ensure the efficient use of funds: when you get a Treasury sold on the idea of quantitative easing and Mugabe economics, it is not credible that ‘the most powerful and the most high-profile people on the whole world stage’ would seek to subsidise the very scam of fiscal incontinence by which their own assets would be significantly devalued.

Either His Grace is right in this, or the Noble Lord should take very great care.

If His Grace is wrong, we may soon find Lord James of Blackheath swinging under Blackfriars Bridge.

With weights in his pockets.

For he has drawn attention to the laundered billions of the Vatican Bank.

And people who do that tend not to live very long thereafter.

(Cue sinister music)

(Credits to end)

posted by Archbishop Cranmer at 10:12 AM Permalink

Horn

10th November 2010, 03:50 PM

Kinda narrows down that 2nd tier "chosen" group a bit.

Coming on a the back $600billion dollar devaluation of the dollar, its getting kindof obvious who the paupers are.

osoab

17th February 2012, 09:26 AM

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden)
$6 Trillion In US Bonds Seized In Zurich, Said To Pose "Severe Threats To International Financial Stability" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/6-trillion-us-bonds-seized-zurich)

Back in the summer of 2009, a peculiar story circulated (http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-secretary-of-department.html)when two Japanese individuals were arrested trying to smuggle $134 billion in US bonds into Switzerland from Italy. The story quickly died down after it was subsequently reported that the bonds were merely fake bearer bonds (http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/guardia-di-finanza-to-bloombergdie-welt.html). Nobody heard much about it since then. Until today, when out of the blue we get a new story which blows that one out of the water. According to Bloomberg, "Italian anti-mafia prosecutors said they seized a record $6 trillion of allegedly fake U.S. Treasury bonds, an amount that’s almost half of the U.S.’s public debt." From here the story just gets weirder: "The bonds were found hidden in makeshift compartments of three safety deposit boxes in Zurich, the prosecutors from the southern city of Potenza said in an e-mailed statement. The Italian authorities arrested eight people in connection with the probe, dubbed “Operation Vulcanica,” the prosecutors said. The U.S. embassy in Rome has examined the securities dated 1934, which had a nominal value of $1 billion apiece, they said in the statement. Officials for the embassy didn’t have an immediate comment." ...And weirder: "The individuals involved were planning to buy plutonium from Nigerian sources, according to phone conversations monitored by the police." ...And really, really weird: "The fraud posed “severe threats” to international financial stability, the prosecutors said in the statement." Ok great, however one thing we don't get is just how can $6 trillion in glaringly fake bombs be a "threat to international financial stability."

Why Were The Trillions In Fake Bonds Held In CHICAGO FED Crates? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/why-were-trillions-fake-bonds-held-chicago-fed-crates)

While there is precious little in terms of detail coming out of the latest and literally greatest "fake" bond story in history, the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17076378)has been kind enough to release the pictures of the boxes that the supposedly fake bonds were contained in. While we reserve judgment on the authenticity of the bonds, what we wonder is whether the boxes were also fake. Because while we can understand why someone would counterfeit the Treasury paper itself, what we don't get is why someone would go the extra effort to also create a "fake" compartment in which to store it. In this case a compartment that is property of the "CHICAGO FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM." Perhaps Fed uberdove and Chicago Fed President Charles Evans will be kind enough to explain why Versailles Treaty Chicago Fed crates are floating around in Europe (and filled with $6 trillion in supposedly fake bearer bonds)?

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/01/_58563286_fakebonds.jpg

JohnQPublic

17th February 2012, 09:30 AM

This story refuses to die!

osoab

17th February 2012, 09:34 AM

Here's a twist on the Chiasso bonds.

.....

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1325176506

Dec. 28, 2011 A lawsuit ('11 CIV 8500 - Judge Holwell (http://www.rumormillnews.com/pdfs/11%20civ%208500%20Keenan%20Complaint.pdf)) was filed in New York on Wednesday 23rd November 2011 which could end the secret government (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_secretgov_2.htm) that has ruled Western civilization for the last 300 years. The court papers can be accessed through PACER: Case 1:11-cv-08500-JFK Document 1 Filed 11/23/11. PACER is a US government restricted-access website. The acronym stands for Public Access to Court Electronic Records.

The lawsuit claims that a sum in excess of $1 trillion was stolen by, among others, Ray C. Dam (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalbanking96.htm), UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03iI7sd0T119v/x610.jpg?SSImageQuality=Full) and the UN, former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cu067UssmuE/TsAQ0N56FCI/AAAAAAAAAis/WxwEkQZKUJE/s1600/Corrupt%2Bphilandering%2Bclown%2Bsteps%2Baside%2Bg racefully%2Bfor%2Bthe%2Bgreater%2Bgood%2Bof%2Bmank ind%2B-%2B4.jpg?SSImageQuality=Full) and the Italian government, Giancarlo Bruno (http://www.lospaziodellapolitica.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/giancarlo-bruno.jpg?SSImageQuality=Full) and the Davos World Economic Forum syndicate (http://benjaminfulford.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/44/) and others believed to include many of the owners of the US Federal Reserve Board (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_fed06.htm).

The summons was filed in New York by Neil Keenan, acting as representative of The Dragon Family, a reclusive group of wealthy Asian dynasties. The legal filing is the result of extensive evidence gathering by international police and law-enforcement agencies including Interpol, the CIA, the Japanese Security Police and several Eastern European secret services. The action has the backing of the Pentagon and the armed forces of Russia and China.

The ultimate defendants in this legal action are understood to be the cabal (http://www.hermes-press.com/cabal_index.htm) behind the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy (http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2010-03/197189/2154235_640px.jpg?1303538545?SSImageQuality=Full), 911 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_107.htm), and many other major international crimes and terrorist atrocities.

The lawsuit was triggered by the illegal detainment of two Japanese citizens, Akihiko Yamaguchi and Mitsuyoshi Watanabe, and the seizure of $134.5 billion in bonds they were holding in Chiasso, Italy, on Wednesday 3rd June 2009. After the bonds were stolen, self-described 33rd degree Freemason Leo Zagami (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_29.htm) contacted this writer (Benjamin Fulford, in Japan) and said that the Monte Carlo P2 masonic lodge could cash the bonds with the help of Vatican banker Daniel Dal Bosco. This writer forwarded the information, via a member of the UK Royal family, to The Dragon Family who entrusted a further $1 trillion worth of similar bonds to the plaintiff Neil Keenan. Keenan then, after much negotiation, entrusted the bonds to Dal Bosco.

 Dal Bosco subsequently absconded with the bonds and was followed 24-hours-a-day by various intelligence service agents to see what he would do with them. The Dal Bosco trail led to the Davos World forum, the UN, the Italian government and the Vatican, among other places. Following this, Keenan was approached by a Who’s Who of powerful figures including top Vatican officials, Wall Street bankers, European nobles and former US presidents, most offering him astronomical bribes to go away. He was also poisoned with ricin and nearly killed.

According to Keenan: “The roots of this case go back to between 1927 and 1938, when, under arrangements made between T.V. Soong (Finance Minister of China) and Henry Morgethau, Secretary of the Treasury, The United States Government purchased some 50 million ounces of silver and leased vast amounts of gold from the Nationalist Chinese Government, known as Kuomintang. For all the treasure handed in, certificates were given to those who surrendered their precious metals.”

Many of the bonds seized by Dal Bosco are backed with the Chinese gold taken by the Federal Reserve Board during those years and never returned to its legal owners.

Other bonds seized were Kennedy bonds. These bonds were backed by gold held in trust for the people of the planet and were supposed to be used to finance the economic development of the world. Instead they have mostly been stolen and misused by members of the cabal that has seized control of the Western financial system on behalf of private interests.

The original signatory to the Kennedy bonds was former Indonesian President, Achmad Soekarno (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6668/be025080ob4.jpg?SSImageQuality=Full) (1901-1970). Soekarno’s heir, Dr. Seno Edy Soekanto, has given Neil Keenan power of attorney to return to their rightful owners the Kennedy bonds and other property allocated to the people of the world via something known as The Global Collateral Accounts (http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2011/09/weekly-geopolitical-news-and-analysis20110912-the-real-reason-behind-the-911-terror-was-a-battle-for-control-of-the-global-c-1.html).

The lawsuit is only the first salvo in a legal battle to restore control of the global financial system to the people and governments of the world as well as the rightful owners of historical assets that have been seized by members of the banking cartel.

The lawsuit (full text here (http://www.rumormillnews.com/pdfs/11%20civ%208500%20Keenan%20Complaint.pdf)) was filed as 2011 Civil Action 8500 at the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (Judge Holwell) on November 23, 2011.

Background information on the problems with the global financial system summarised by Neil Keenan and Keith Scott:

The United States is a private corporation owned by the British Crown (Rothschilds), the Bank of England (Rothschilds) and the Vatican (Rothschilds again). It was previously called the Virginia Company until 3/9/33 when it was dissolved by Roosevelt under the Emergency Banking Act. On 5/5/33 Congress elected to dissolve the Gold Standard and Sovereign Authority of the U.S. and all of its official capacities including government offices, departments and officers. The U.S. is a corporation, not a nation. The Federal Reserve is neither Federal, nor a Reserve. It is a private counterfeiting organization run by Jewish bankers who lend the money they print out of thin air at interest while we keep on paying these criminals to fleece the People.

That technology of theft and deception that has been exported from the United States through their promotion of this fraud as the paradigm of global finance is an obscenity that has set the seeds of its own destruction.

This has been compounded by the refusal of ordinary people to realize, know and understand that it is the duplicity of Governments and the deceit and endless greed of bankers that combined to simply fleece them like the apathetic sheep they are. Apathy and ignorance of the truth, creates belief in the lie. The truth is self-evident, but most people choose to neither hear it nor understand it. The debts of the Federal Reserve are the debts of a private corporation that is robbing the people of the United States.

The United States Dollar is a Federal Reserve Note and the obligations against the currency are the obligations of the Federal Reserve, not the people of the United States.

Background history:
1. Between 1927 and 1938, under arrangements made between T.V.Soong (Finance Minister of China) and Henry Morgethau, Secretary of the Treasury, The United States Government purchased some 50 million ounces of silver and leased vast amounts of gold from the Nationalist Chinese Government, known as Kuomintang. During this period China was partly occupied by Japanese troops and there was the fear of China being overrun by the Japanese.

2. For all the treasure handed in, certificates were given to those who surrendered their precious metals. The surrendered precious metals and gemstones were sent to the United States under a lease agreement made between T.V. Soong and Henry Morgenthau. The Certificates became the underlying funds of the Kuomintang and were good and accepted securities.

3. In 1934 a new Securities Act was promulgated in the United States, together with the Gold Act, which required all bullion gold and gold coin to be surrendered to the Federal Reserve, a private corporation chartered to operate as the Central Bank of the United States and to be the issuer of the currency known as the United States Dollar.

4. Domestically owned gold was purchased. Foreign Gold held by the Treasury was also surrendered to the Federal Reserve, so, was leased to the Federal Reserve. This began the series 1934 Notes issued by the Federal Reserve. These have never been redeemed and the interest cost was met by further issuances of the 1934 series FRN’s.

5. These 1934 FRN’s guarantee the lease payments and to allow the Chinese Government to continue financially. These came under the control of the Kuomintang, the Nationalist Government in China from whom the Gold had been received. Many were left in China when the Kuomintang had to flee to Taiwan. The Gold had been nationalized by the Kuomintang who moved much of the FRN’s (but not all) to Taiwan which was built on these notes. These Notes were the underlying wealth of Taiwan and they were good for value as they were backed by gold.

6. During the war in China, most owners of the depository notes issued by Chinese Banks were killed by the Japanese, others later being killed by both the Kuomintang and the Chinese Communists, thus the Gold became property of the Nation, especially so, the Kuomintang. In Europe, Jews who had owned wealth were stripped of that wealth through various means and were then eliminated. The gold was taken either by stealth or by force, that is a reality of history.

7. The Kuomintang appointed guardians of this Gold and the securities issued by the United States; they are euphemistically known as the Dragon Family. The Dragon Family is in fact an organization that operates between old families within China and Taiwan, and as such is above the political divide of the two independent Chinese Governments. Chinese are remarkable in this regard, that old family ties and functions supercede political arrangements which, though they might last for generations, are regarded as inconsequential over the passage of time to most Chinese. Attached to this is the wealth of several nations. The United States in support of the Kuomintang and resistance groups actually printed more of these FRN notes inside China itself. These operations were run by the CIA to buy loyalty of various factions in the fight against the communists, eventually being driven out into Burma around 1960. Largely due to the additional printing of these notes, the additional Notes were given in lieu of interest, but directed to specific persons and parties.

8 At the end of the World War II, with Communist and Kuomintang factions at war in China, the International Community and the Chinese assented to the Gold being placed under the overt control of Indonesian President Soekarno. Soekarno then, on August 17, 1945, came to be known as M1 under United Nations Approval No. MISA 81704 “Operation Heavy Freedom. This was because much of the world’s gold had been delivered into Indonesia and the Philippines. Canada, Australia, Great Britain, India and other British Colonies sent their gold to the so called “impregnable Singapore” The Japanese, as per the arrangements agreed to by Hirohito in the 1921 Pact Between Nations made in London, delivered much of this gold to Indonesia (Then a Dutch Colony) and to Philippines (Then a US Colony) into secret bunkers that had been mostly constructed by the Japanese between 1924 and 1945. This is why the Allied troops in Malaya had no air cover or sufficient supplies to that would have allowed them to resist the Japanese. Singapore had to fall so most of the global wealth could be “lost” into a secret system that made the gold standard redundant and fiat currencies a reality.

This gold was documented into accounts through the Swiss Commercial Bank Union Bank of Switzerland, placed under protection of the Swiss Attorney General, registered through the Swiss National Bank into the Bank for International Settlements International Collateral Combined accounts and then from within the BIS, blocked to form the Institutional Parent Registration Accounts of the Federal Reserve System.

Later President Marcos of the Philippines was appointed and held the position of M1 until 1987 and then the position was transferred to Dr. Ray C. Dam, in October of 1987, under Legal Decadency to Heir RCD1087 Far East Entire with formal Power of Attorney and Assignment of Indonesian Assets signed by Sarinah Soetiwi (holder of the assets on behalf of the Nation of Indonesia as assigned by President Soekarno) in 1992, Dam’s authority later promulgated January 20, 1995. Dam proved to be impossible for the entire system to work with, (either because he refused to allow those who placed him in authority to steal, or because of his personal arrogance…. Difficult to know which is correct) and his authority over the Institutional parent registration Accounts set aside and the system reverted to the three Nations who had controlled these accounts since World war II, United States, Great Britain and France, who systematically and illegally subverted the established system since 1996.

9. From this we can see that there are two functional operations. One was ownership and Depository control by the owners of the Gold and the other a control system set in place to administer and control the Collateral Combined Accounts as an independent Arbiter. Ownership rights are held by the signatory to the Depository Accounts in Commercial Banks and Control Rights have been held by M1.

10. So it was, that the entire world supply of bullion and coinage gold was withdrawn and fiat currencies became the order of the day. However, underneath the notes and money issued by the Federal Reserve was the underlying wealth within a centralized system that Nations was intended to be used equitably, but Bankers determined they would use to raid national economies.

11. In 1963, President John F. Kennedy entered into an Agreement with President Soekarno to provide the funds to allow the United States Treasury to print its own currency, thus subverting the “right” to print the currency held by the Federal Reserve. The Agreement would have transferred some 59,000 tons of gold to underpin this currency. The problem with this was that the US domestic currency would have then been backed by gold which would have been a violation of international agreements meant to stabilize currencies. 11 days after signing this agreement, President Kennedy was assassinated. President Johnson the suspended EO11110 as issued by Kennedy and transferred the bullion to the Federal Reserve. The Green Hilton Agreement was not implemented until 1968 when Soekarno fell from office and when Global Trade made it imperative that the world have a Global Currency. As the Gold had been transferred to the US Treasury in 1968, a series of Bonds known as Kennedy Bonds were issued in order to honor the terms of the Green Hilton Agreement made between Kennedy and Soekarno, the 1968 terms of the gold delivery to the United States being different than made in 1934. When after 30 years, interest had not been paid as promised, a reissue of the bonds in an increased number were issued as commemorative notes and were accepted by the owners of the Gold, the Dragon Family.

12. From copies of Bank documents received by Neil Keenan, within the Green Hilton Memorial Agreement, the funds the amounts of gold and platinum are specified. These amounts of gold are certificated and the certificates and ledger copies with full and exact identification and recognition codes are available. These certificates are further proven by the bank reports, copies of which are now held by Neil Keenan. The truth of these instruments can be vigorously defended through documentation in our hands and further through interrogation of the Black Screens where the off ledger collateral is held, together with an interrogation of the grey and blue screens where we will find enormous fraud from the illegal use of these assets.

13. In the few documents we present with this complaint we can see that the assets have been deposited, the counter-assets created and presented to the depositors, the depositors have been cheated for over 70 years through the intentional and fraudulent failure of the Obligor to honor the Agreements.

14. In recent weeks we have come into possession of the books and records of the late President Soekarno, and all the codes and ledgers of the Global Accounts. The size of these accounts can be seen by reviewing the Collective Agreement between the Garuda Memorial Hilton Indonesia and the Green Memorial Hilton Geneva, established, structured and made operational between 1961 and final signature in 1972. Under this Agreement the assets of the international collateral combined were established and brought forward, then, within a short period of time misused to change the operating systems of banks.

15. Reviewing these books, we can now see that Banks set aside the notion of operating under the Charters they hold as banks, instead of being Banks they became like very poor casino operators and traders, selling what they do not own. The records in our possession, signed and registered by the receiving and managing commercial bank, show the underlying funds in numbers and amounts that stagger the imagination. The Green Hilton and Garuda Memorial Agreements demonstrate clearly the value of the global account system.
a) Gold and Platinum Deposits ran into millions of tons.
b) 1934 series Federal Reserve System Bonds, Notes issued in 1928 , Kennedy Bonds ran into Quadrillions of US Dollars, Dragon Bonds are all recorded and acknowledged within the Green Hilton and Memorial Hilton Collective Agreements. Both Assets in the form of Bullion surrendered to the Global Accounts through the United States Government and then entrusted to a private corporation, the Federal Reserve System.

Some more recent under-the-radar geopolitical activity is summarised here (http://truth11.com/2011/12/15/benjamin-fulford-cabal-struggles-desperately-to-create-fascist-world-government-as-multiple-criminal-investigations-zero-in-on-them/) (12.12.11), here (http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny) (12.12.11), here (http://truth11.com/2011/12/09/benjamin-fulford-december-5-2011-the-us-senate-and-obama-claiming-the-right-to-murder-and-imprison-americans-without-trial-was-a-fatal-mistake/) (05.12.11), here (http://theulstermanreport.com/2011/11/30/white-house-insider-there-is-a-very-uneasy-peace-between-president-obama-and-the-american-military/) (30.11.12), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/benjamin-fulford-11-28-11-chaos-prevails-at-the-highest-levels-of-government-in-the-west-as-the-financial-fraud-unravels-truth-is-stranger-than-fiction/) (28.11.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/benjamin-fulford-11-21-11-rothschild-family-representative-leaves-japan-empty-handed/) (21.11.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/benjamin-fulford-11-15-11-the-cabalists-struggle-in-vain-to-stop-the-new-financial-system-the-global-human-awakening-will-not-be-stopped/) (15.11.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/11/07/benjamin-fulford-11-8-11-paradigm-lost-as-the-western-oligarch%e2%80%99s-lies-unravel-the-criminal-cabal-is-caput/) (08.11.11), here (http://www.truthwinds.com/siterun_data/nesara/news/news.php?q=1317857435) (05.10.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/benjamin-fulford-10-3-11-the-pole-shift-in-global-financial-power-is-almost-complete/) (03.10.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/benjamin-fulford-9-27-11-cabal-resorting-to-desperate-tactics-as-they-try-to-prevent-reboot-of-financial-system-they-will-be-stopped/) (26.09.11), here (http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/2011/09/september-25-2011-white-hats-report-29.html) (25.09.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/benjamin-fulford-8-23-11-last-minute-offensive-by-us-criminal-regime-will-fail/) (22.08.11), here (http://www.truthwinds.com/siterun_data/nesara/news/news.php?q=1313799578) (19.08.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/benjamin-fulford-august-15-2011-turmoil-expected-to-increase-in-autumn-before-old-world-order-collapses/) (15.08.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/august-9-20111-short-note-from-ben-fulford/) (09.08.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/ben-fulford-august-9-2011-the-phoenix-will-arise-from-the-ashes-of-the-old-world-order/) (08.08.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/benjamin-fulford-august-2-2011-what-replacing-the-government-of-the-planet-means-the-signs-of-global-regime-change-are-everywhere-big-changes-on-these-fronts-are-expected-this-autumn/) (01.08.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/benjamin-fulford-july-26-2011-the-debts-are-finally-being-called-in-and-those-who-thought-they-were-gods-fall-to-earth/) (25.07.11), here (http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/07/17/ben-fulford-7-18-11-the-slow-fuse-will-keep-burning-through-july/) (17.07.11) and here (http://www.worldreports.org/news/251_47_trillion_lien_against_u.s._treasury_and__fe d) (14.12.09).

The Monaco Colloquium of August 2011, which intimately connects with the launch of US Civil Action #8500 cited above, is outlined here (http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2011/09/monaco-colloquium-august-2011.html). The issue of the $47 trillion World Global Settlement Funds is referenced here (http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2010/10/world-global-settlement-funds.html). The increasingly urgent, and related, matter of Global Debt Forgiveness is summarised here (http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2011/06/universal-debt-forgiveness-and-imminent.html). And preliminary indications about the international opening of Pandora's Suitcase are assembled here (http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2007/12/2008-agenda-for-disclosure.html).
http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2011/04/altnews7-1ab-alcuin-alcuin-bramerton.html (http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2011/04/altnews7-1ab-alcuin-alcuin-bramerton.html)

letter_factory

17th February 2012, 01:07 PM

My lords, I have been engaged in pursuit of this issue for nearly 2 years now, and I'm no further through to getting to the truth.

I think there are three possible conclusions that may come from it. I think there may have been a massive piece of money laundering committed by a major government which ought to know better and that it has effectively undermined the integrity of the British bank the Royal Bank of Scotland, in doing so. The second alternative is that a major American department has an agency that has gone rogue on it because it has been wound up and has created a structure out of which they are seeking to get at least 50 billion Euros as a payoff. And the third possibility is that this is an extraordinarily elaborate fraud which has not been carried out but which has been prepared in order to provide a threat to one government or more if they don't pay them off. So there are three possibilities and this all needs a very urgent review.

My Lords, it starts in April and May of 2009, with the alleged transfer to the United Kingdom, to HSBC of a sum of 50 trillion dollars and seven days later, in comes another 50 trillion dollars to HSBC, and then 3 weeks later another 50 trillion. 5 trillion in each case. Sorry. A total of 15 trillion dollars is alleged to have been passed into the hands of HSBC for onward transit to the Royal Bank of Scotland and we need to look at where this came from and what the history of this money is. And I have been trying to sort out the sequence by which this money has been created and from where it has come from for a long time.

It starts off apparently as the property of a man called Yohannes Riyadi. Which has some claims to be the richest man in the world. Well he would be if all the money that was owed to him was paid, but I have seen accounts of his showing he owns 36 trillion dollars in a bank. And it is a ridiculous sum of money. On the other hand the 36 trillion dollars would be consistent with the dynasty from which he comes and the fact that they had been effectively the emperors of Indo-China in times gone by. But a lot of that money has been taken away from him with his consent by the American treasury over the years for the specific purpose of helping to support the dollar.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=230593

A trillion here, a trillion there....

mamboni

17th February 2012, 02:00 PM

Leo Wanta know about this?

osoab

17th February 2012, 02:21 PM

a bit more on blackheath here.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?38073-Did-somebody-just-try-to-buy-the-British-government&highlight=Lord+James+Blackheath

Uncle Salty

17th February 2012, 02:30 PM

$50 trillion three times, then it's $5 trillion three times?

WTF?

Does anyone proof this shit? What am I missing?

DMac

17th February 2012, 02:36 PM

Bump

Glass

17th February 2012, 03:45 PM

I remember the original story. I can't believe it's been 2 years since then. It's a strange story for sure. I've never heard of the Ryiadi. I would have thought it was someone else with so much money. I expect it was a more personal fleecing operation. And why would you sign over money to those guys. Perhaps Ryiadi has red pilled and realised he's been done.

Its a confusing story and Blackheath is not very clear in what he is saying or asking for ImO.

osoab

17th February 2012, 03:53 PM

Here is the link to the speech. http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=10093

You need silverlight to watch it.

Starts at 6 hrs 15 minutes and 20 seconds into this session of the house of lords.

Something that struck me funny with his speech, was him talking about the NY FED.
We had a thread on here somewhere about how the NY FED was the real mover and shaker of the whole shebang.

Glass

17th February 2012, 04:15 PM

YOHANNES RIYADI 1T EURO POF

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A 1T (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1T) EURO POF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_funds)?
PPPKINGDOM just received 3 new documents from a confidential source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_sourcing) which are now in our DOCUMENTS section:

1) 1T euro POF from HSBC (http://www.hsbc.com/)-London (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.5072222222,-0.1275&spn=0.1,0.1&q=51.5072222222,-0.1275%20%28London%29&t=h)
2) 1T euro FED Letter
3) 1T euro tear sheet from HSBC-London

This confidential source tells PPPKINGDOM that:
1) these funds are the tip of the iceberg belonging to YOHANNES RIYADI that are blocked in top banks around the world including the USA (http://www.history.com/topics/states) FED in NYC.
2) YOHANNES RIYADI is the single largest depositor at HSBC-London but HSBC-London will never admit or deny it.
3) HSBC – London sells cash backed BGs based on these Riyadi funds on the interbank screen. This confidential source has indicated that they will soon provide PPPKINGDOM a copy of such a 100B euro BG.
WITH YOUR HELP, PPPKINGDOM WANTS TO EXPOSE THE TRUE OWNERS BEHIND ALL THESE MEGA-POFs SEEKING TO BE MONETIZED FOR PPPs.
Best Regards,
FINANCIAL WARRIOR

link...... (http://pppkingdom.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/yohannes-riyadi/)

There are some PDF's there that purport to verify the source of Riyadi's funds are clean and real. I'm not sure thats the case. Not sure how to read that web sites attitude.

TheNocturnalEgyptian

17th February 2012, 11:04 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/17/us-usa-bonds-forgery-idUSTRE81G11620120217

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120217&t=2&i=572228709&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=460&pl=300&r=BTRE81G1CWS00

(Reuters) - Italian police said on Friday they had seized about $6 trillion worth of fake U.S. Treasury bonds and other securities in Switzerland, and arrested eight Italians accused of international fraud and other financial crimes.

The operation, co-ordinated by prosecutors from the southern Italian city of Potenza, was carried out by Italian, Swiss and U.S. authorities after a year-long investigation, an Italian police source said.

It began as a investigation into mafia loan-sharking, but gradually expanded as prosecutors used telephone and computer intercepts to unearth evidence of illegal activity surrounding Treasury bonds.

The fake securities, worth more than a third of U.S. national debt, were seized in January from a Swiss trust company where they were held in three large trunks.

The U.S. Embassy in Rome thanked the Italian authorities and said the forgeries were "an attempt to defraud several Swiss banks". It said U.S. experts had helped to identify the bonds as fakes.

Potenza's prosecutor Giovanni Colangelo said an international network "in many countries" was behind the forgeries.

Italian daily Corriere della Sera said on its website that the criminal network was believed to be interested in acquiring plutonium, citing sources at the prosecutors' office.

VERSAILLES

Police videos showed images of the trunks, with "Federal Reserve System, Treaty of Versailles" stamped on the side in large, golden letters.

Bond certificates marked "Chicago, Illinois, Federal Reserve Bank" and other securities, some for one billion dollars, were also shown.

U.S. bond traders took a light-hearted view of the news.

"If there's that much less supply now, Treasuries should be rallying," joked Kevin Flanagan, fixed-income strategist at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney.

A trader at Citigroup said he had swapped jokes with colleagues about the seizure, which would not move markets.

"It's kind of like fake inflation I guess, if you take it to the max, but I don't think it means that much."

Prosecutors said the forgers had hoped to use the fake bonds as collateral to secure loans.

The eight men arrested are accused of counterfeiting bonds, credit card forgery, and loan-sharking in the Italian regions of Lombardy, Piedmont, Lazio and Basilicata, police said.

The Swiss Federal Prosecutor's office said Zurich state prosecutors had worked on the investigation at the request of the Italian prosecutor. The Swiss handed over their findings in July last year.

In 2009, Italian financial police seized $742 billion of fake U.S. bearer bonds in the of Chiasso, on the Swiss-Italian border.

(Additional reporting by Steve Scherer and Emily Flitter; Editing by Andrew Roche)

(In 11th paragraph, corrects company name of strategist to Morgan Stanley Smith Barney, instead of Morgan Stanley)

Neuro

18th February 2012, 01:25 AM

Interesting that the Bond pictured above has 33 coupons...

Did they arrest anyone this time? Or did they just let the perpetrators go without taking their name...

TheNocturnalEgyptian

18th February 2012, 01:34 AM

arrested eight Italians accused of international fraud

But I will admit this thread does not have very much meat. To spice it up, I looked around regarding bearer bonds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearer_bonds#Bearer_bonds_in_popular_culture

I found some other stuff on the bonds, too. This is from some conspiracy rag,

Riad sued the United States for $15 billion, in Federal Court.

The billion-dollar bonds allegedly were used by the government for debt-management purposes in the 1930s when physically moving lower-denomination currency or gold was impractical.

[DW: In reality, it wasn't practical to move the gold because it had been put "on deposit" with the Federal Reserve banks, worldwide.]

While there have been reports of fake billion-dollar bonds turning up in the past, Riad claims his bonds are genuine, and that several experts support that contention.

But no federal agency will redeem them, he says, despite "extensive and exhaustive proof of the authenticity of the Bonds."

According to what he calls an Affidavit of Procurement, filed as an exhibit to his complaint, Riad claims the boxes became his collateral for more than $76,000 in loans he made to a "mandate to the South African government."

http://divinecosmos.com/images/image/riad_bond_8G.jpg

http://divinecosmos.com/images/image/riad_bond_8F.jpg

http://divinecosmos.com/images/image/riad_bond_8A.jpg

http://divinecosmos.com/images/image/riad_bond_10B.jpg

These would be different bonds. I was just searching for other stories about people stealing bonds, stuff like that.

BrewTech

18th February 2012, 07:38 AM

The fake securities, worth more than a third of U.S. national debt

True dat!

gunDriller

18th February 2012, 08:02 AM

True dat!

it's like having imitation imitation Gucci's.

not that i care about Gucci stuff.

Neuro

18th February 2012, 08:10 AM

True dat!
Yeah at least you get a genuine looking paper certificate for your savings with this one, that you can hang on your wall, and tell the story to the grandchildren how gramps was cheated out of a billion dollars, which would be the equivalent of a soda then...

Neuro

18th February 2012, 08:13 AM

Btw I wonder if this story was concocted to cover up the previous story, that may have been with real bonds?

mamboni

18th February 2012, 09:22 AM

How exactly is it determined that a bond is genuine? This is determined by the Secret Service or agents of the Treasury? Both original and copies are just paper and ink. OK, maybe they use special ink and holographs and metal strips. But the North Koreans have shown that these paper certificates called bonds can be counterfeited by any government with the means. So who in his right mind would entrust his wealth to a government piece of paper that might be destroyed, copied or worse, declared a fake?

This is why gold is the only sure and true store of wealth for nations and peoples.

JohnQPublic

18th February 2012, 12:39 PM

JDRock

18th February 2012, 01:03 PM

tell me in street terms, whats the difference between real and "fake" bonds. ....as they are both lost causes.

JDRock

18th February 2012, 01:05 PM

JohnQPublic

18th February 2012, 01:57 PM

tell me in street terms, whats the difference between real and "fake" bonds. ....as they are both lost causes.

I don't know, and it doesn't matter. What matters is a lot of crap is coming out- a lot of it related to power sharing arrangements made before WWII. This global arrangement is unraveling.

Sparky

18th February 2012, 02:36 PM

$6T? Is that a lot?

JohnQPublic

18th February 2012, 02:59 PM

$6T? Is that a lot?

It was after WWII.

osoab

20th February 2012, 04:50 PM

This is an important thread. I merged 4 related threads. I recall the start of this in 2009 when 2 Japanese tried to smuggle bearer bonds into Switzerland. I think this may tie into Harvey Organ's stories on Tropos (http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2011/08/fed-keeps-interest-rates-at-zero-for.html) (see at bottom of story), also.

hey JQP, I just realized that you merged 2 completely different topics together. You have the bonds story mixed together with the Lord James Blackheath stuff.

Their needs to be two threads here. The Chiasso bonds story along with the recent 6 trillion in bonds that was just seized and one for Blackheath stuff.

mick silver

20th February 2012, 06:26 PM

JohnQPublic

20th February 2012, 06:28 PM

hey JQP, I just realized that you merged 2 completely different topics together. You have the bonds story mixed together with the Lord James Blackheath stuff.

Their needs to be two threads here. The Chiasso bonds story along with the recent 6 trillion in bonds that was just seized and one for Blackheath stuff.

I am thinking this may be one and the same story. Maybe I am wrong.

osoab

20th February 2012, 06:45 PM

I don't remember anything about foundation x being discussed in the original Chiasso bond story.

The guy named in the latest Blackheath speech doesn't seem to have a connection to the bonds that were just seized. The numbers are not even close. 6 trillion vs 15 billion.

JohnQPublic

20th February 2012, 06:50 PM

osoab

20th February 2012, 06:57 PM

6 trillion and 15 trillion.

yep, screwed that up. I still don't see them as completely related. Maybe related as funny money that has been passed off to settle debts, but just about everything is funny money when considering we use FRN's.

monty

21st February 2012, 01:22 PM

I didn't see this posted in this thread. It is a long read, 9 parts.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59048-Lord-James-of-Blackheath-on-banking-investigation..&p=518243&viewfull=1#post518243

Serpo

21st February 2012, 02:42 PM

The Federal Reserve is neither Federal, nor a Reserve. It is a private counterfeiting organization run by Jewish bankers who lend the money they print out of thin air at interest while we keep on paying these criminals to fleece the People.

Sounds like a very profitable business but what countries would be stupid enough to agree with this..............>:(

monty

23rd February 2012, 06:27 PM

Tuesday, February 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff
Intel Exclusive: Trillion Dollar Terror Exposed

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/21/intel-exclusive-trillion-dollar-terror-exposed/

Tuesday, February 21st, 2012 | Posted by Gordon Duff
Intel Exclusive: Trillion Dollar Terror Exposed
462

LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH, EXPOSING "TRILLION DOLLAR TERROR"
Bush, Fed, Europe Banks in $15 Trillion Fraud, All Documented

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
———————-

Below is one of the strangest stories in financial history, one involving the US government lying about hundreds of thousands of tons of imaginary gold, illegal wire transfers and loans totalling $15 trillion. The video, from the House of Lords, is amazing in itself.

What it doesn’t express is where the money came from though Lord James of Blackheath proves conclusively that an effort was made to say it came from a gold reserve in Brunei that, in fact, never existed.

At surface, it appears we have stumbled upon the largest terrorist organization in the world and have found original documents tracing its funding to the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, two of the top financial officers in the US. A cursory review of terrorism statues in the US indicate that all transactions we will learn about are, in fact, to be assumed “terrorist money laundering” and that the only thing preventing the immediate arrest of hundreds of top financial officials is their political connections alone.

YouTube - Veterans Today -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL5hqvTWkYg

We will be able to offer an alternative, more insights, some hard intelligence and some very valuable background that we hope will offer insightful and realistic perspectives on this amazing story.

On February 16, 2012, Lord James of Blackheath, member of Britain’s House of Lords presented evidence of an illegal scheme begun, he has thus discovered, in 2009. His documents including originals signed by Alan Greenspan and Timothy Geithner, show the illegal “off the books” transfer by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York of $15 trillion to, initially, HSBC (Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation) London and then to the Bank of Scotland.

The Bank of Scotland, under royal charter but restricted from involvement in any such transactions, simply “gave” the money to 20 European banks to use in a highly profitable scheme of co-trading “fresh cut” MTN’s (mid-term notes), generating trillions of dollars in profits over 3 years, none of which is shown on books, none has been taxed or has benefited shareholders in those banks.

As Blackheath outlines, the “deception and cover” for this transfer is the imaginary seizure of 750,000 tons of gold by agents of an unspoken entity (confirmed by the highest official sources as the Bush family and CIA), the listed “source” of the money.

The government of Indonesia confirms this to be an utter fabrication and that the individual named had 700 tons of gold (about half of what Gaddafi was holding), not 750,000. It is noted that only 1,500 tons of gold have ever been traded in world history, as stated in the House of Lords.

The issues that are initially brought out, issues inconsistent with international convention and starting the reader on what is only the surface discovery of two decades of crimes involving dozens of governments are as follows:

* At no time has the Federal Reserve Bank of New York been authorized to hold the funds indicated
* However, documents held by Lord Blackheath prove, conclusively that they did hold such funds and transfer them in a manner as to obscure their origin by using HSBC and the Bank of Scotland. This process, seemingly involving Alan Greenspan, Timothy Geithner and others would appear to be “money laundering” until some other explanation were found. None has been offered.
* The “collateralization” of these funds, being 750,000 tons of gold, is proven to be fantasy. These funds then, in no way or manner, are related to Brunei. The presentation of this false transaction has been conclusively proven to be a “cover and deception” project such as an intelligence organization would use.
* The transfer of these funds, all done without any authorizations, governmental or otherwise, particularly without agreements, payment of interest to the United States and without knowledge and approval of congress makes every aspect of this criminal in nature, a violation of innumerable statutes.
* The receipt and use of these funds by the 20 banks, two of which are Wall Street’s largest, and the use of these funds to generate profits while the funds themselves are held “off the books” and the profits hidden and laundered, themselves the earnings of funds received through criminal acts makes any and all involved part of a criminal enterprise.

WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM

There is no record of the Federal Reserve being authorized to “create” $15 trillion, equal to the entire national debt of the United States. There is, however, proof that funds that totalled, at one time, $27 trillion had been earned surreptitiously, disposed of as part of an intelligence operation against the Soviet Union and then later stolen with accusations made against George H. W. Bush as being the perpetrator.

I have spoken with two individuals, one President Reagan’s intelligence coordinator and the other Chief Legal Cousel for the Central Intelligence Agency regarding these funds. Both have indicated that former President Bush had asked that these funds, totalling $27 trillion, be transferred to his control, that threats were made by Bush and that many involved in this operation suffered, issues including murder, illegal arrest, torture and detention among them.

The individuals I am speaking of repeatedly met with President Bush over these funds, disputed his claim to them, and indicate that the majority of the funds are the property of the people of the United States.

These funds are the mysterious “Wanta” funds, monies earned through years of currency trading aimed at collapsing the Soviet Union, a plan originated by President Ronald Reagan, then White House Intelligence Coordinator Lee Wanta and CIA Director William Casey. I have been told that, while this operation went forward under President Reagan, he had ordered that his successor, George H. W. Bush not be “briefed” out of “mistrust” for Bush.

The funds themselves were earned through a scheme of trading Soviet roubles at enormous profit, a practice that eventually collapsed their government. A portion of the profits are subject to current litigation in the Federal Court of the Eastern District of Virginia, Judge Lee presiding. I have over 2,000 pages of documents on this case which shows a remainder of the original funds had been transferred to the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond by the Bank of China, a party to the rouble trading practice, in 2006 and is claimed as totally owned by Ameritrust Corporation. That amount was $4.5 trillion of which we hold the SWIFT transfer documents.

The other monies, which “likely” make up from the unspent portion of the missing $27 trillion, may well constitute all that is recoverable.

Wanta, sole shareholder in Ameritrust, has offered his companies share, valued by the court now at $7.2 trillion, entirely to the American people as intended by President Reagan.

The origin of the additional funds, issued by the Federal Reserve during the 80s and 90s, totalling nearly $8 trillion is unknown. High ranking sources within the US government indicate that this can only be either the remainder of funds Wanta raised or profits made from them after the majority of funds were stolen.

Stories, some quite good actually, and personal interviews plus my own review of documents would place the theft or conversion of these funds initially with:

* The Bush family
* The “P2,” a Masonic lodge operating out of Switzerland involved in dozens of terror bombings tied to “Operation Gladio”
* People around Wanta himself including the CIA

What is lacking is a source for half of these funds. Technically, they don’t exist as there is no record of them being originated by nor transferred to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York though there are clear and discernible records of them being transferred out of that institution which never possessed them, according to their 2010 audit, in the first place.

WANTA MONEY

The transfer of Wanta funds, they can be assumed to have no other origin as they track into the Federal Reserve banking system while in escrow and are currently awaiting payment based on the orders of President Obama in accordance with findings of the federal court, is complicated by the Scottish transfer.

Either Wanta has claim to the entire amount or it is the property of the US government. That no effort has been made to secure the funds or enforce criminal and civil remedies to recover enough money to pay the entire US national debt and more, as with earnings, we are nearing well over $30 trillion by this time, is an indication that a criminal conspiracy with enough influence to overrule our own government is involved. Whether that “conspiracy is, as noted, the Bush family, rouge sections of the CIA or a secret society such as P2, one we can prove or others we only suspect exist, is another story.

The lack of action, here or as requested by Lord James in Britain, is, in itself, proof of both the seriousness and actuality of these events and the powers that can prevent any inquiry when irrefutable documents such as SWIFT transfers are available. In fact, Lord James has offered a wealth of documents which, when combined with the 2000 pages of Wanta “discovery” from the Federal Court, constitutes more than prima facia evidence of money laundering, conversion, terrorism or worse.

Thus, the inaction in the face of overwhelming and unquestioned proof is inexplicable.

FLOOD OF WANTA LITIGATION AND INDICTMENTS COMING

Currently, Wanta’s legal status is as technical conservator and owner of $7.2 trillion. However, as nearly half that is owed in taxes and the court settlement required Wanta to purchase $1 trillion in treasury bonds, the federal government should show positive interest other than President Obama and a few others. More are being obstructionist with the payout and exercise of $3 trillion in US debt reduction.

This is, not only illegal but an indication of conspiracy.

In addition, Russian Prime Minister Putin has communicated that he awaits the agreed upon 3% payment of Russian taxes, initially on the $7.2 trillion. Will Putin want to be paid on the entire $15 trillion plus interest and will Russia and/or the US have interest in why the Bank of Scotland transferred these funds to 20 European banks to trade in MTN’s (mid term notes) without any authorization or agreement, any participation or sharing of profits.

As the funds, at least the half which the US government can claim ownership of, combined with the interest and earnings of, would quickly put the US “in the black,” again we look at, not just the press blackout on the Wanta litigation of the last 6 years but the press blackout on Lord James of Blackheath and the wealth of damning documentation he submitted to Parliament.

Nothing has been done since, it is as though the proof submitted was so dangerous that those moments in time have been erased by a mysterious g-dlike power.

What makes Wanta dangerous is that he has begun to distribute funds, some to government entities, counties and states, law enforcement agencies, giving them standing, not just in recovering funds intended for their use but in helping prosecute anyone involved in interfering with or attempting to divert funds.

One grand jury is being formed to investigate diversion of Wanta funds even at this early date. It is likely that Wanta/Ameritrust funds earmarked for border protection could lead to the indictment of high ranking US officials. This is only the beginning.

If the Royal Bank of Scotland doesn’t think it should be expecting the biggest chargeback in the history of the world, they are in for a shock.

osoab

23rd February 2012, 06:44 PM

Damn, that was a good read monty.

Now mamboni's post is in context.

monty

23rd February 2012, 08:14 PM

The comments on that site are worth reading too.

TheNocturnalEgyptian

24th February 2012, 12:30 AM

Neuro

24th February 2012, 02:06 AM

Dang it man, I accidentally just created a thread about the 15 Trillion/Lord Blackheath subject. I didn't know it was in this thread, sorry....

You can never have too many eyes on a conspiracy, though.

Well thanks to you I got to this new information. The bondsmuggling stories start to make more sense now. I do think what monty presented is more believable, than some small time Italian gangsters printing up Billion Dollar bonds to trade w gullible Swiss bankers, or Benjamin Fulfords fantastic story of the dynasties of the east depositing some 750.000 tons of gold for the bonds...

Serpo

24th February 2012, 03:39 PM

Neuro

24th February 2012, 04:07 PM

http://chasvoice.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/breaking-news-documents-reveal-us-fed.html#axzz1nKJ7zKks

White Hats have released a scanned document of one of the contracts between Yohannes Riyadi and the Federal Reserve!

http://etleboro.com/documents/copy-title.pdf
The three signatures of Bernanke and Fergusson on the document are identical. So I would guess it is a forgery, unless they usually would sign documents as these electronically?

Glass

24th February 2012, 07:13 PM

The three signatures of Bernanke and Fergusson on the document are identical. So I would guess it is a forgery, unless they usually would sign documents as these electronically?

They would be worthless if they didn't have wet ink signatures. I also think the sigs are too similar to be separately made. There is a lot of splotchy areas around the signature and seals. They could be artifacts from some artwork being done.