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AndreaGail
21st February 2012, 08:58 PM
One in four Americans has more debt than savings





By Eve Tahmincioglu

Many U.S. consumers are so deep in a financial hole that even as the economy begins to turn around they can’t quite dig themselves out.

A survey by Bankrate.com released Tuesday found that 25 percent of Americans have more credit card debt than they have in emergency savings, and that spells trouble if an emergency situation actually hits.

Consumers are doing better when it comes to living within their means, said Greg McBride, Bankrate.com’s senior financial analyst. But, he added, years of stagnant wage growth, high unemployment, declining home values and escalating household expenses have strained wallets. “Even though there’s been progress things are still out of whack,” he said.

And the economic pictures may get even gloomier for consumers if gas prices continue to escalate, he pointed out. Last year, he said, “60 percent of Americans said they cut back on discretionary spending because of gasoline prices.”

Those hit hardest when it comes to debt versus savings, are individuals on the low end of the economic ladder and those with less education, according to the study that polled more than 1000 adults earlier this month.

Here are some of the findings:
•70 percent of those earning $75,000-plus have more in savings than credit card debt vs. 40 percent of those earning less than $30,000 per year.
•64 percent of college grads have more in savings than in credit card debt vs. 46 percent with a high school education or less.
•27 percent of Americans report a lower level of financial security now versus one year ago and 24 percent report a higher level.
•38 percent of Americans are less comfortable with their savings now compared with one year ago; only 14 percent are more comfortable.

The overall percentage of consumers who have more emergency savings than credit card debt actually inched up to 54 percent of those polled, compared to 52 percent in the same month last year. But that doesn’t mean people are necessarily more debt adverse.

“They can’t go spend money they don’t have,” McBride explained, because credit is so tight today, particularly when it comes to consumers who don’t have the best credit ratings.

A bad credit rating can also create a double whammy for those people looking for jobs because some employers now use credit reports when evaluating job candidates. That’s even worse news for individuals trying to pay off debt.

High amounts of debt and thin savings have become a fixture in U.S. society. “Over the years, the savings’ needle hasn’t moved,” he said. “From 2007 and 2011, the percentage of Americans with three months worth of expenses in savings, which is not adequate, is unchanged.”

It’s something we may be used to, he maintained, but “it’s not a recipe for people having a warm and fuzzy feeling about their financial situation.”



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BrewTech
21st February 2012, 09:44 PM
I'm thinking it's more like 85%.

I don't know anybody that has a positive net worth.

Oh, wait - except for me...

Now if I could just do something about my self esteem...

;D

Olmstein
22nd February 2012, 07:45 AM
Now if I could just do something about my self esteem...

;D

I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!

madfranks
22nd February 2012, 08:16 AM
I'm thinking it's more like 85%.

I don't know anybody that has a positive net worth.

Oh, wait - except for me...

Now if I could just do something about my self esteem...

;D

Not necessarily, I know a few folks who have burned through their savings the past few years because of job losses, etc., but they've never put on credit card debt. So they're still struggling but just don't have the debt problem on top of it.

BrewTech
22nd February 2012, 08:20 AM
Not necessarily, I know a few folks who have burned through their savings the past few years because of job losses, etc., but they've never put on credit card debt. So they're still struggling but just don't have the debt problem on top of it.

Hey, that's sounds an awful lot like someone I know!

Silver Rocket Bitches!
22nd February 2012, 08:55 AM
It's not prudent to sit on that much cash these days. That six month cushion sitting in a savings account can easily become a three month cushion once inflation is factored in.

solid
22nd February 2012, 09:37 AM
Not to be off topic, but I often wonder what's going to happen to all this massive amounts of credit card debt during a major economic crisis. Credit card debt, unlike mortgage debt, is not backed by anything. It's unsecured, folks can just walk away from it only taking a hit on their credit rating. But, who cares what your credit score is during a crisis anyway? On that note, it actually makes sense to have a bunch of credit card debt, and just strategically plan on walking away from it if/when everyone else does. Thoughts?

iOWNme
22nd February 2012, 09:53 AM
Not to be off topic, but I often wonder what's going to happen to all this massive amounts of credit card debt during a major economic crisis. Credit card debt, unlike mortgage debt, is not backed by anything. It's unsecured, folks can just walk away from it only taking a hit on their credit rating. But, who cares what your credit score is during a crisis anyway? On that note, it actually makes sense to have a bunch of credit card debt, and just strategically plan on walking away from it if/when everyone else does. Thoughts?

Not sure about your State, but CC debt can lead to garnished wages in certain states.

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/wage-garnishment-for-credit-card-debt-1282.php

Having debt unpaid is dishonorable. Leaving your private affairs in dishonor will lead only serve to feed this beast system.


Here is a good question for GSUS:

If someone has less than say $2k in cc debt @ say 10% interest, should they:

A - Make double payments to pay off debt as fast as possible (Less than 2 years), then start saving/prepping
B - Make min payments, and start saving prepping NOW. (will take 8-10 years to pay off)
C - Stop paying at all, and save everything you can for what is coming. (May face wage garnishment)
D - Run up all CC debt to max buying all prepping/guns/silver, etc. (Then walk away from it)


I think this is a VERY important question, as we may not even have 2 years left of so called 'normal' society. Thoughts?

MNeagle
22nd February 2012, 10:24 AM
There were long discussions on the very subject on honoring your debts when the housing bubble started. Whether or not you should pay your mortgage, & why, etc. Or, if you should max out CCs for PMs, preps, et al. I believe it started @ gim1 & continued here in various forms. Not sure what terms you'd search for. I just remember things getting quite heated!

Sparky
22nd February 2012, 11:32 AM
Not to be off topic, but I often wonder what's going to happen to all this massive amounts of credit card debt during a major economic crisis. Credit card debt, unlike mortgage debt, is not backed by anything. It's unsecured, folks can just walk away from it only taking a hit on their credit rating. But, who cares what your credit score is during a crisis anyway? On that note, it actually makes sense to have a bunch of credit card debt, and just strategically plan on walking away from it if/when everyone else does. Thoughts?

Right before the financial crisis in 2008 (and probably not coincidentally), I believe they changed all the credit card rules such that banks could attach future wages in order to recoup credit card defaults. So your logic would only apply if you weren't receiving "trackable" income during the crisis.

Sparky
22nd February 2012, 11:34 AM
AG, where are you getting 25% for your thread title? Shouldn't this be 46%?

"The overall percentage of consumers who have more emergency savings than credit card debt actually inched up to 54 percent of those polled, compared to 52 percent in the same month last year."

Twisted Titan
22nd February 2012, 12:29 PM
2 grAnd is a very manageable debt....I would pay it off because they are advantages to holding a basic CC while

the matrix is up and running

Debt above 5 grand I would be more of a mindset to let them pound sand because that is a significant drain on resources that could be used towards prepping.

JMHO

iOWNme
22nd February 2012, 12:55 PM
2 grAnd is a very manageable debt....I would pay it off because they are advantages to holding a basic CC while

the matrix is up and running

Debt above 5 grand I would be more of a mindset to let them pound sand because that is a significant drain on resources that could be used towards prepping.

JMHO

I agree. Although i paid off my Chase card about 3 years ago. It had a $12k limit. Once i paid it off and stopped using it, they decreased my limit to $3k. So it may actually hurt you to pay stuff off if you want to keep the unused credit for an emergency.

I recommend saving and storing everything you might need, instead of saving and storing FRN's or credit to later buy what you might need.

Twisted Titan
22nd February 2012, 01:26 PM
That is so funny......you did the right thing and they still raked you over the coals by cutting your limit over 80%.

If you applied for a limit increase they would deny it based on circular reasoning

That is proof postive they really don't want the debt paid......that want it hooked around your neck....which is why you should let them pound sand on it.

Its never about the money.....money is a fiction

Its always about the control.

Remember that.

Shami-Amourae
22nd February 2012, 01:32 PM
I've never had a real credit card in my life. I say real since I have one that is just a tool to pay with my savings account since no actual credit is used when using the card, all the fiat is taken directly out of my fiat savings when I make a purchase (I keep a tiny amount for bills and small purchases.) I have been considering to get a real credit card though for emergencies only (price drop in precious metals or currency crisis time to buy everything up.) Should I do that or not?

Sparky
22nd February 2012, 01:38 PM
I've never had a real credit card in my life. I say real since I have one that is just a tool to pay with my savings account since no actual credit is used when using the card, all the fiat is taken directly out of my fiat savings when I make a purchase (I keep a tiny amount for bills and small purchases.) I have been considering to get a real credit card though for emergencies only (price drop in precious metals or currency crisis time to buy everything up.) Should I do that or not?

So you have a debit card. I think a credit card is a good idea as long as you have the discipline to pay any balance in full every month.

zap
22nd February 2012, 01:44 PM
I'm thinking it's more like 85%.

I don't know anybody that has a positive net worth.

Oh, wait - except for me...

Now if I could just do something about my self esteem...

;D

I can't understand net worth, I had to check my credit for a bond a while back they wanted all kinds of info, anyhow they think owning cars or trucks is a asset, I don't see cars as asset, your home? I don't consider that one either, they consider it a asset cause you can borrow or sell it? Maybe if you had 3 or 4 houses paid off. Cars are a dime a dozen what are you actually going to get for them?