The Harbinger - Solid warnings that time is short

[Spectrism]

There is a book out by this title. I started reading it this weekend.

Watch the video here and you will see that there are some very worrisome co-incidences of actions and reactions- old Israel and modern America. We have been warned and only a fool will ignore these warnings.

Notice also that God warns HIS people Israel and that He is now warning America.... not the corrupt nation of middle east israel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXei0Zb3dxM

[Spectrism]

Watching this one now. Seems interesting so far.
ed- actually good footage on the items discussed. This video must be seen by all.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDuShOO_dSQ

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Spectarism, that first video is damn good once it gets going. He makes a lot of points. Especially liked the parts about the sycamore and cedar tree, the founding of wall street under the sycamore tree, the actual date and place of the formation of the constitutional govt. (1789 = 212 years to 2001) and the verses from Isiah. I mean it was interesting to me. He claims that a part of Isiah became true in america - a dark ritual was actually pulled off by a bunch of people!

I had to suppress laughter when he said that this was all done "unknowingly" by the politicians who quoted that verse...it's obvious they were trying to bring that verse to pass! It made me grin that he basically laid out a conspiracy wherein a group of politicians enact a ritual from the bible to unbless america. I mean if you like bible stuff at all you should see if you agree with his claim that the harbinger passage of Isiah has occurred.

I know we have more scriptural minds that can offer some good comments.

[Twisted Titan]

Tagging..

[General of Darkness]

I turned it off when he said that WE, America have become the largest exporter of pornography and the leader of the adcavcy of homosexuality. These are jewish ideologies via the protocols. He uses WE, which is used to unite people, when in fact he's using it as a crime to agregate other Kwans in the belief in the WE when it's really THEY, not the WE. Fuck these filthy jews.

[Spectrism]

Spectarism, that first video is damn good once it gets going. He makes a lot of points.

The parallels must not be overlooked. We are being warned... and it has been more than 10 years since we got that big wake up call. Has our country harkened to the call of God? No! Instead, we have murdered millions more babies. We have cheated with money and markets. While much of the world wasted away in poverty, we did nothing to help. Instead we went off to wars of aggression in service of corporations and power-hungry bankers. God has been further rejected in all public places. Hollywood has continued to mock christianity. The church groups have continued to dwindle, and those remaining are largely run by uninspired managers. Corruption throughout our government has increased. We even have an unlawful usurper pretending to be president.

What happened to ancient Israel? God's chosen people? They are allowed to be overrun by the lowest forms of life. Amerika is doomed. The only reason we have not yet been destroyed is the few who still pray and do the will of YHWH.

Just as YHWH wiped out the gods of Egypt with the plagues and just like YHWH wiped out the society of fallen Israel with the empowered enemies of Israel, so Amerika is about to be wiped out.

Today is Feb 26, 2012. It was on Feb 26, 1993 that the first bombing of WTC occurred:



An attempt to topple the World Trade Center fails, but six people are killed and over 1000 are injured in the misfired blast. An FBI explosives expert later states that, “If they had found the exact architectural Achilles’ heel or if the bomb had been a little bit bigger, not much more, 500 pounds more, I think it would have brought her down.” Ramzi Yousef, who has close ties to bin Laden, organizes the attempt. [Village Voice, 3/30/1993; US Congress, 2/24/1998 (http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_hr/s980224c.htm)] The New York Times later reports on Emad Salem, an undercover agent who will be the key government witness in the trial against Yousef. Salem testifies that the FBI knew about the attack beforehand and told him they would thwart it by substituting a harmless powder for the explosives. However, an FBI supervisor called off this plan, and the bombing was not stopped. [New York Times, 10/28/1993] Other suspects were ineptly investigated before the bombing as early as 1990. Several of the bombers were trained by the CIA to fight in the Afghan war, and the CIA later concludes, in internal documents, that it was “partly culpable” for this bombing (see January 24, 1994 (http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a012498partlyculpable)). [Independent, 11/1/1998] 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is an uncle of Yousef and also has a role in the WTC bombing (see March 20, 1993 (http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a032093ksmwtc)). [Independent, 6/6/2002 (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article130507.ece); Los Angeles Times, 9/1/2002 (http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/01/nation/na-plot)] One of the attackers even leaves a message which will later be found by investigators, stating, “Next time, it will be very precise.” [Associated Press, 9/30/2001 (http://multimedia.belointeractive.com/attack/perspective/0930learning.html)]
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Will we have a follow up before the 20 year mark? If so, that is exactly one year away. The people involved in making these things happen are unable to help themselves. They will be driven to fulfill prophecy as if there is no force in the universe that could prevent them. Even the devil is being used of God to sift the wheat from the chaff and refine the precious metals. If you have not hardened your heart to the calling of God, now is the time to repent and seek His face.

[Spectrism]

I turned it off when he said that WE, America have become the largest exporter of pornography and the leader of the adcavcy of homosexuality. These are jewish ideologies via the protocols. He uses WE, which is used to unite people, when in fact he's using it as a crime to agregate other Kwans in the belief in the WE when it's really THEY, not the WE. Fuck these filthy jews.

Oh. I did not realize you were so holy and unblemished.... even one who calls himself the "General of Darkness". Since you are so pure and untarnished by the ways of the world, and since you taint nothing with your touch, please share some wisdom with us. What is the way to the One True God?

btw- is your name really Novosel?

[General of Darkness]

Oh. I did not realize you were so holy and unblemished.... even one who calls himself the "General of Darkness". Since you are so pure and untarnished by the ways of the world, and since you taint nothing with your touch, please share some wisdom with us. What is the way to the One True God?

btw- is your name really Novosel?

Dude, you're got a fucking rabbi trying to attach jewish bullshit with white America. Fuck you.

[Spectrism]

General... I see reactions like that when demons are provoked.

A bias of hatred is blinding. The devil got you programmed just right.


One who judges a video without watching it really does little good for his own credibility.

[7th trump]

Dude, you're got a fucking rabbi trying to attach jewish bullshit with white America. Fuck you.
Well you cant have it both ways General!
White America is a problem (heathen....hot nor cold with following God) and God does send these parasites to whip them into shape when they are out of line.
The middle class is going to get wiped out as far as financials, thats told in the Book. White middle class plays a role of Christian.....they dont act like one do they?

God said if you want delusion over my Word and Wisdom then I'll send you all the delusion you want. And those who enjoy this delusion will reap its consequences.
We are seeing the consequences of turning away from God arent we?
I wouldnt get upset about a pathetic satanic rabbi.
Let the middle class be heathens they are...............they will come to a change of mind when everything is stripped of them.
The rabbi's arent getting away with anything. In the end those who dont bow to Christ will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

[General of Darkness]

LMAO, you guys are a hoot.

Religion is about control and you both prove that.

[7th trump]

LMAO, you guys are a hoot.

Religion is about control and you both prove that.
Maybe what you call "religion" is control?
Who Am I to say?
But what I understand about the Bible is not religion................its reality.
I dont go to any services from any church General...............I read the Bible and toss the religion.

[General of Darkness]

Maybe what you call "religion" is control?
Who Am I to say?
But what I understand about the Bible is not religion................its reality.
I dont go to any services from any church General...............I read the Bible and toss the religion.

For someone that doesn't go to services you sure do know how to recite the word of "God". Don't get me wrong, I don't give a shit about someones religion as long as it doesn't affect me or people I care about. So as an FYI, I don't give a fuck about religion as a whole. The kike religion, the mud muslim religion all get a fucking pass in white christian nations. Religion has become a pathetic construct and an enabler in the push towards a One World Government.

Let's mix everything up. Put 70 IQ negros that are muslim in Sweden where there's christianity, the low IQ fuckheads will create problems because they're inherently fucking semi retarded and they're predisposed to rape, murder, violence and not working, so lets bring in more, but lets label the crimes as intolerance, racisim and RELIGION, blah blah blah, fast track to ONE WORLD ORDER.

Pull your head out, that's the goal, it's man made, it's not some fucking precious god. And for the record, I am spiritual, but different, I'm smart enough and genetically predisposed to know the 10 Commandments without some dickhead writing them down in a book.

[Spectrism]

General.... why don't you go defecate on your own thread. Your nasty language and inability to stick to the topic is offensive. You add nothing to this thread. If you don't get control of your emotional issues, we will be reading about the next nutjob whose weapons were taken away. In my camp, there is no room for someone who cannot control himself. Maybe you consider this forum your personal toilet. Potty training at an early age is a good thing.

[General of Darkness]

General.... why don't you go defecate on your own thread. Your nasty language and inability to stick to the topic is offensive. You add nothing to this thread. If you don't get control of your emotional issues, we will be reading about the next nutjob whose weapons were taken away. In my camp, there is no room for someone who cannot control himself. Maybe you consider this forum your personal toilet. Potty training at an early age is a good thing.

So what you're saying is that I'm not invited over for dinner.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Dude, you're got a fucking rabbi trying to attach jewish bullshit with white America. Fuck you.

Come on, man. Anybody gets a chance to speak their piece. If you want to shred his hour long thesis, I totally welcome you to do so, on a factual basis! He basically outlined a huge conspiracy, and he hints at a PTB if you read between the lines.








* The conspiracy was to fulfill a prophesy outlined in Isiah. He claims they[tptb] got it. See also: claim that ground zero was the original founding spot in America, when New York was the capital, 1789, beginning moment of constitutional government. So 9-11 was a ritual [all condititions of an Isiah prophechy fulfilled] to unbless america in the exact spot where it was founded, the little church at ground zero where the founders prayed on the first day of constitutional government.

I like conspiracies and it's a good one. Let's debunk it.....Ummm.....All the fracking things he said, happened!

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

http://www.logoi.com/pastimages/img/tower_of_babel_3.jpg

I don't know if anybody remembers at GiM I used to have a thread about the Tarot card "The Tower" and what it means. All tarot decks are different, I looked at many versions of "the tower", all involve human hubris, falling, and bricks being struck down by heavenward force.

It is about hubris and the fall.

So TPTB can follow these formulas. They play different cards. Consciousness ops - you charge a tarot by having people look at it. These are simply psyOps that have a proven track record of working in the physical world. Read between the lines, he is trying to expose a history of TPTB using ancient rituals to affect the world. Sacrifice rituals, in this case. They are playing god , they are acting as that heavenward force in the tower card.





http://eden-saga.com/img/images/tarot-the-tower200po.jpg

http://www.svabhinava.org/links/global-crisis/tower-esoteric.gif http://www.svabhinava.org/links/global-crisis/tower-esoteric.gif http://eden-saga.com/img/images/maisondieujcf200po.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/53/RWS_Tarot_16_Tower.jpg/220px-RWS_Tarot_16_Tower.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xF86j3374Ns/TAgtOYJ3BHI/AAAAAAAAEwI/UQrCe29U5x4/s1600/The+Tower_thoth.jpg


Explore the history here. European magic.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Here is a dollar I folded. The back of the dollar is a tarot card, focusing on the number 13 many times, and also containing the great seal of the united states. Billions of people focusing consciousness on it. TPTB did this ritual - an eagle crashing into a building. Think about it.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s42/XIxZer0xIX/th_EagleHasLanded.jpg

The eagle has landed. That's the tower tarot right there.

This is the occult warring against you. Don't you see it? Symbols everywhere!

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Fold in Half:

http://foldmoney.com/images/20c.jpg

http://foldmoney.com/images/20b.jpg

http://foldmoney.com/images/20d.jpg

http://foldmoney.com/images/20a.jpg

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

http://foldmoney.com/images/5d.jpg

http://foldmoney.com/images/10a.jpg

http://foldmoney.com/images/20d.jpg

http://foldmoney.com/images/50c.jpg

http://foldmoney.com/images/100c.jpg


Fold your government issued tarot cards if you want to see a story.

Tarot 5 - Standing strong

Tarot 10 - Struck once

Tarot 20 - Struck twice

Tarot 50 - Crumbling

Tarot 100 - Smoldering

The tower falls. THEY. ARE. USING. OCCULT. MAGIC.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

That is a harbinger of doom right there.

What happened:
1. The Fallen Bricks
2. We will Rebuild
3. Bigger and Better
4. The Hewn Stone
5. A Spirit of Defiance
6. The Sycamore
7. The Cedar
8. The Vow of Arrogance

What a Psy-Op, they used a biblical ritual against us.


Isiah
8 The Lord has sent a message against Jacob;
it will fall on Israel.
9 All the people will know it—
Ephraim and the inhabitants of Samaria—
who say with pride
and arrogance of heart,
10 “The bricks have fallen down,
but we will rebuild with dressed stone;
the fig trees have been felled,
but we will replace them with cedars.”

[Hypertiger]

Truth is GOD and GOD is Truth.

Civilization as you all know it is an enterprise that's purpose is to fight Truth.

The top or masters/owners of the enterprise employ the bottom which they have split into two factions, the rich servants and the poor slaves, to supply power to the lie you all believe is Truth to fight Truth.

It's amassing power to ultimately acquire enough power to defeat Truth and obtain absolute power over all an everything.

basically it's a lie trying to become Truth...a fantasy trying to become reality.

Unfortunately it can't ever defeat Truth...because the lie that is masqurading as Truth derives all it's power from Truth...and when the lie you all believe is Truth requires infinite power to sustain the fight against Truth...it requires Truth.

Because Truth is the only source of infinite power...when the lie you all believe is Truth requires Truth to sustain it's existance...that is revelation and the lie self destructs.

The global enterprise collapses.

The absoluet capitalistic hierarchical food powered make work enterprise is sustained by taking more power than it gives...that is what absolute capitalism is...taking more power than you give.

basically you chop down trees faster than they regrow to power the path to salvation.

As long as you all can supply the demand of the delusion for more and more power to sustain it...You all will believe you are on the path to salvation...until you run out of trees to power the lie fighting Truth...then you all find out you have been following the path of damnation all along.

The USA is a lie that was created to fight Truth...Right from the start...that is what the hidden hand of the slave market masters were doing behind the sceanes.

Why?

Because that is what you all want...the top maintains it's position by giving all below what they want...lies and delusion...not what they need...Truth.

If the top or LORD told you all that you all were nothing more than soldiers of a war machine fighting GOD that was inevitably doomed to suffer defeat...you would not support it.

So you are all not given what you need...which is Truth...you are given what you want...lies and delusion...

Ignorance of Truth is the root of evil.

There is never a lasting victory over lies while the war against Truth has no exit strategy and always ends in defeat.

The Universe is perfectly fair, everyone and everything gets what they and it deserve, and there is no hope.

When the enterprise reaches it's maximum potential and collapses and the dust settles...the top hires the survivors to build and maintain the next enterprise or war machine to fight Truth.

A revolution is full circle...The birth and death of the enterprise occur at the same point...at the end you all vow to not let it happen again...and then you all do it all over again.

Because all are ignorant of Truth and don't know any better.

[Awoke]

Very haughty post, Hypertiger.

Since none of us know anything after our years of research, (which mysteriously led us all back to uncovering the Khazar- babylonian talmudists, but of course we're wrong because you told us we don't know anything) why don't you succinctly inform us of the ultimate truth regarding the conspiracy?

Save us all the years and years of research, and just tell us the truth, grandmaster.

[Carbon]

I didn't see where HT replied to you personally - why take his post as such?

Jesus had twelve disciples to deliver His message... not one. Why?

How many disciples does the Truth have? Can you not also be one of them?

It's not about the messenger or the means of delivery - but the message.

[Awoke]

I never asserted that he posted directly to me. His post seemingly addresses us all.


Because all are ignorant of Truth and don't know any better.

So if he posts that here, I took it to mean that it applies to us, GSus, all.

Did I read it wrong?

[Canadian-guerilla]

no, i didn't watch the videos

is there a doom date here or is this just another " solid " warning

[midnight rambler]

Twisted Kitty's posts are always fascinating, at least he didn't come right out and call us all morons in this latest one. lol

[dys]

My experience is that anyone that calls Jesus Yashua can't be trusted. This is what is known as 'hebrew roots movement'.


dys

[Awoke]

Dysgenic, you need to be careful on all accounts. Firstly, I will hope that LuckyStrike shares his opinion on your warning regarding the use of Jesus Christ's name as Yashua. as he is more knowledgeable on that, and I think he would disagree with your warning if my memory serves correctly.


Besides that, this article insults the Lord. The article, on one hand, states that all scriptures (OT and NT) are holy and divinely inspired (true), yet it the goes on in a couple places to say that the old covenant was "weak" and "unable to save their souls".

To say that the Lord made a covenant that was imperfect, or flawed, is to call God himself imperfect and flawed. This is dangerous. It serves to cast doubt on the Father, in disguise of glorifying Christ, who is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You can not have division in any way. God is perfect. Anyone who celerates and/or acknowledges God in their life knows that the Lord is perfect.

The covenant God made with the people was sufficient to save their souls. It was the people who were weak, apostate, and unable to adhere to the covenant as the Lord made it. The Lord God is infallible and perfect, but the humans are weak, selfish, greedy and full of licentiousness. It is MANS fault that we could not meet the rigor of the first covenant, not the Lords.


Especially dangerous is the following:



Christ is NOT a religious system and he denounced the Religious Jews who followed the Law with studious and practiced devotion, because he knew it could not save them.


Christ is the way, the truth and the life. He did not denounce pious Israelites who were practicing Yahwehism. (He went to the synagogues to preach to them and teach them)
He only denounced babylonian talmudists who were practicing the ways of man and rites of antiquity, aka judaic kabbalist satanism.

Most alarming is the authors interpretation that Christ "Knew it could not save them". Christ is God, God is Christ. God made the covenant because it could save them. The people had fallen away so far from the covenant that there was no recovery for them. That is why Christ came here, to be the final sacrifice to end the old covenant and begin the new one.

However, at the time when he was going to the synagoges and teaching the people, he still had not died, and therefore the people were still under the old covenant and would remain so until his crucifixion took place. He wouldn't go into the places of worship and say "Don't worry guys, in three years I'm going to be sacrificed on your behalf, so just give'r."

[dys]

Dysgenic, you need to be careful on all accounts. Firstly, I will hope that LuckyStrike shares his opinion on your warning regarding the use of Jesus Christ's name as Yashua. as he is more knowledgeable on that, and I think he would disagree with your warning if my memory serves correctly.


Besides that, this article insults the Lord. The article, on one hand, states that all scriptures (OT and NT) are holy and divinely inspired (true), yet it the goes on in a couple places to say that the old covenant was "weak" and "unable to save their souls".

To say that the Lord made a covenant that was imperfect, or flawed, is to call God himself imperfect and flawed. This is dangerous. It serves to cast doubt on the Father, in disguise of glorifying Christ, who is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You can not have division in any way. God is perfect. Anyone who celerates and/or acknowledges God in their life knows that the Lord is perfect.

The covenant God made with the people was sufficient to save their souls. It was the people who were weak, apostate, and unable to adhere to the covenant as the Lord made it. The Lord God is infallible and perfect, but the humans are weak, selfish, greedy and full of licentiousness. It is MANS fault that we could not meet the rigor of the first covenant, not the Lords.


Especially dangerous is the following:



Christ is the way, the truth and the life. He did not denounce pious Israelites who were practicing Yahwehism. (He went to the synagogues to preach to them and teach them)
He only denounced babylonian talmudists who were practicing the ways of man and rites of antiquity, aka judaic kabbalist satanism.

Most alarming is the authors interpretation that Christ "Knew it could not save them". Christ is God, God is Christ. God made the covenant because it could save them. The people had fallen away so far from the covenant that there was no recovery for them. That is why Christ came here, to be the final sacrifice to end the old covenant and begin the new one.

However, at the time when he was going to the synagoges and teaching the people, he still had not died, and therefore the people were still under the old covenant and would remain so until his crucifixion took place. He wouldn't go into the places of worship and say "Don't worry guys, in three years I'm going to be sacrificed on your behalf, so just give'r."

You are absolutely right. That was really reckless for me to post that link. I was also being lazy and foolish. I retract it....I'll go back and erase it. I will stand by my first comment, though. But I do commit to watch that full video as soon as I have a chance.

dys

[Awoke]

We're here to help each other, brother. It was very sly, the way it was injected in the text. I personally think you should have left it there, so the lurkers could see how tricky things can get.
Glad you didn't take offence.

[Spectrism]

no, i didn't watch the videos
is there a doom date here or is this just another " solid " warning

For you, no... there is nothing here.

[LuckyStrike]

My experience is that anyone that calls Jesus Yashua can't be trusted. This is what is known as 'hebrew roots movement'.


dys

Not really sure why considering that is his name?

Yashua meaning Yahweh Saves.

I basically echo Awoke's statements in post 29 and would like to reiterate the absolute need to study and understand the "50 Bible Reasons Why The Jews Are Not Israel" It's something which I have posted, has a bunch of views, very minimal debate (which to me signals that nobody can refute it) but then people still act like the jews as we know them today are the descendants of Jacob (whose name was changed to Israel) I can prove this to be false through Scripture as well as historical record and if all of our goals is to seek the Truth than I don't see how anyone can deny that the "50 Reasons" is not the Truth, and as such changes everything people think they know about biblical history and its relation to the jews. (it certainly had that effect for me)

Admittedly I haven't watched the video, (a backlog of material to read/watch as it is)

[dys]

Not really sure why considering that is his name?

Yashua meaning Yahweh Saves.

I basically echo Awoke's statements in post 29 and would like to reiterate the absolute need to study and understand the "50 Bible Reasons Why The Jews Are Not Israel" It's something which I have posted, has a bunch of views, very minimal debate (which to me signals that nobody can refute it) but then people still act like the jews as we know them today are the descendants of Jacob (whose name was changed to Israel) I can prove this to be false through Scripture as well as historical record and if all of our goals is to seek the Truth than I don't see how anyone can deny that the "50 Reasons" is not the Truth, and as such changes everything people think they know about biblical history and its relation to the jews. (it certainly had that effect for me)

Admittedly I haven't watched the video, (a backlog of material to read/watch as it is)

Two seperate issues here:
1. Is Jesus' name Yashua? (I say NO to this)
2. Are the Jews the true descendents of Jacob? (I agree with you and Awoke on this, NO they are not, emphatically)

A word on Yashua thing- if you trace the Hebrew roots movement, the people that are behind it are Jewish. Look into it, you'll be surprised by what you find.

dys

[LuckyStrike]

1. Is Jesus' name Yashua? (I say NO to this)



http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2424&t=KJV

[dys]

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2424&t=KJV

There are 2 schools of thought out there:
1. The bible means exactly what it says that it means.
2. The bible needs to be translated to mean something other than it says.

Look at the people that pitch #2 vs. those that pitch #1, you'll see the truth.
For the record, I believe that #1 is the truth.

dys

[Spectrism]

Two seperate issues here:
1. Is Jesus' name Yashua? (I say NO to this)
2. Are the Jews the true descendents of Jacob? (I agree with you and Awoke on this, NO they are not, emphatically)

A word on Yashua thing- if you trace the Hebrew roots movement, the people that are behind it are Jewish. Look into it, you'll be surprised by what you find.

dys

Huh? Iesu is Greek. Jesus is NOT what He was called. He was called Yahshuah. He spoke aramaic, not Greek. The letter J is a later addition.... and in germanic, it is pronounced like an English Y. Yahuahshuah is another possibility for His name. It is this name- Yahuah = YHWH = Almighty, that saves.

When the temple leaders demanded the disciples of Messiah stop preaching in THAT NAME, do you think they would have any trouble with some other false god, or were they concerned about the use of the "forbidden" name? YHWH was no longer being spoken. For someone to have the name of YHWH-salvation was irkesome to them.

So far, we seem to have opinionated commenters who have not even watched one of the two videos.

[Bigjon]

The Jews knock down the twin towers and it's a sign from god.

Larry Silverstein has been promoted to godhood and we should all fall in place behind the (self)-chosen people.

[Spectrism]

The Jews knock down the twin towers and it's a sign from god.

Larry Silverstein has been promoted to godhood and we should all fall in place behind the (self)-chosen people.

Oh.... I can see you really thought that brilliant piece of work out. Thanks for contributing.


The message to the people is repent of sin. Get back to holiness and seeking the will of God. I have to say I am a bit disappointed at the small-minded condition of this forum. You sick people need to get your jew-colored glasses off.

[General of Darkness]

Oh.... I can see you really thought that brilliant piece of work out. Thanks for contributing.


The message to the people is repent of sin. Get back to holiness and seeking the will of God. I have to say I am a bit disappointed at the small-minded condition of this forum. You sick people need to get your jew-colored glasses off.

Wow, that's a little harsh. Let me remind you, the jew cry's out in pain as he strikes you. Antisemitism is a disease and you catch it from jews. Hey just saying.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Somewhere, a young man falls to his knees and weeps, thinking, "What can I do to improve this fucked up world I have been handed?"

[Old Herb Lady]

There are 2 schools of thought out there:
1. The bible means exactly what it says that it means.
2. The bible needs to be translated to mean something other than it says.

Look at the people that pitch #2 vs. those that pitch #1, you'll see the truth.
For the record, I believe that #1 is the truth.

dys


WHAT ? Probably one-third of the New Testament is written in parables.


http://www.gci.org/bible/gospels/reveal

[7th trump]

There are 2 schools of thought out there:
1. The bible means exactly what it says that it means.
2. The bible needs to be translated to mean something other than it says.

Look at the people that pitch #2 vs. those that pitch #1, you'll see the truth.
For the record, I believe that #1 is the truth.

dys
Theres your problem Dys.
You dont want to see beyond your nose.
Old english if spoken today you would NOT understand, but you want to beleive the Bible wouldnt have any mistakes from translation from the old english from Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. Even when the translaters of the day warned (warning in the companion Bible) they tried their best translating you still turn your cheek to this.
You dont beleive in dispensation when the Bible clearly outlines the three "earth ages"; the first when we were all in spiritual form; the second when satan rebelled causing the God to destroy the earth for each of us to be born from the bag of water (flesh), and the third when the earth is restored to that as it was in the first and we turn in twinkle of an eye back to the spiritual form (those that have already been here and gone unite with those on earth (the 7th trump).

[7th trump]

WHAT ? Probably one-third of the New Testament is written in parables.


http://www.gci.org/bible/gospels/reveal
Yeah but you cant tell Dys anything..............he knows it all. How he knows it all when he clearly picks and chooses what he wants to hear and see?

[Bigjon]

Oh.... I can see you really thought that brilliant piece of work out. Thanks for contributing.


The message to the people is repent of sin. Get back to holiness and seeking the will of God. I have to say I am a bit disappointed at the small-minded condition of this forum. You sick people need to get your jew-colored glasses off.

The message is the Jews (in their minds) are gods chosen people (never mind they are lying the whole time about signs from god) and we should follow them.
Some of you rose colored glasses folks who can't wait to be raptured are screaming please god kill them all.

[7th trump]

The message is the Jews (in their minds) are gods chosen people (never mind they are lying the whole time about signs from god) and we should follow them.
Some of you rose colored glasses folks who can't wait to be raptured are screaming please god kill them all.
Raptured huh?
And you think you qualify to talk about the jews?

[Awoke]

irkesome

Irkesome. That's a goodwork I haven't seen in a long time.


So far, we seem to have opinionated commenters who have not even watched one of the two videos.

I apologise. I can't watch the videos because my computers at home are broken and Youtube is blocked from where I work. I only got involved with the thread because I wanted to address the article that Dygenic posted.

But this is a good discussion.

Thanks for the reminder, LuckyStrike, about the 50 reasons too. That's important.

As far as the "Jew colored glasses" comment, understand that the jews are not the Israelites that God made His covenant with.
The jews are the Khazars, and they have a hand in all aspect of the conspiracy. So you should have said Khazar colored glasses, but you would have had to remove your comment about us being "sick people", and instead called us "astutely researched people". lol.

[7th trump]

Irkesome. That's a goodwork I haven't seen in a long time.



I apologise. I can't watch the videos because my computers at home are broken and Youtube is blocked from where I work. I only got involved with the thread because I wanted to address the article that Dygenic posted.

But this is a good discussion.

Thanks for the reminder, LuckyStrike, about the 50 reasons too. That's important.

As far as the "Jew colored glasses" comment, understand that the jews are not the Israelites that God made His covenant with.
The jews are the Khazars, and they have a hand in all aspect of the conspiracy. So you should have said Khazar colored glasses, but you would have had to remove your comment about us being "sick people", and instead called us "astutely researched people". lol.
Be careful with that one Awoke.
When the Isrealites were released from captivity only 10 tribes went over the caucasus mountains of Georgia to settle Europe. Two tribes remained within the region.
What you are seeing is possibly one of the two tribes being played by the Khazars (who are very little in number).
Cain being the first murderer was not given the blessing of multitude. That is if you realize these Khazars are the desendents of Cain as Christ said they are.

[Awoke]

The people I am talking about are not from the lines of David at all. No blood relation to any of the 12 tribes.

Those who say they are jews, but are not.

[7th trump]

The people I am talking about are not from the lines of David at all. No blood relation to any of the 12 tribes.

Those who say they are jews, but are not.
Those who say they are jews and are not are direct decendents of Cain, brother of Able.
Christ addresses these Khazars perfectly. He addresses them by saying they are of the first murderer which is Cain.
They look like us, but they are not like us.......wolves in sheeps clothing.
My ancester are from Germany.....one of ten tribes that migrated over the Caucacian mountains after capitivity.
Remember Cain traded his heritage for a bowl of porage which sparked Ables murder.

You call them Khazars, but in the Hebrew they are "Kenites" which translates to "Sons of Cain".
They are still here today. but not in number. But in places of high decision making. Positions to push forward the NWO.
That recent appointed female Supreme judge (cannot recall her last name) if you do some research on her last name comes back as one of these kenites.
Shes a direct decendent of Cain and wouldnt you know it..........she has a lot of junk surrounding her qualifications as a supreme. A key position to push America into NWO.

[Awoke]

You and I are not in agreement. I don't buy into the the sheppards chapel interpretation of Revelation or much else.

"A murderer from the beginning" is Satan, not Cain. It was Satan that drove Cain to murder.

John 8



[44] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=50&ch=8&l=44#x) You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

[7th trump]

You and I are not in agreement. I don't buy into the the sheppards chapel interpretation of Revelation or much else.

"A murderer from the beginning" is Satan, not Cain. It was Satan that drove Cain to murder.

John 8
No, you are wrong!
Nobody gets to blame satan to receive a free pass.
Thats like a drug user going on government dole because of the drug problem........wheres the accountability?
You are held accountable for ALL of your actions.
All your actions, good or evil, are written in the Book of Life.
You are going to stand in front of your Creator and Hes going to open the Book of Life to see if you are written in it. And if you are not then your wrongs out weigh your rights and you are scheduled to perish and thrown in the the pit along with satan.........uncreated as in "no longer exists"!

If thats what you beleive you Awoke you absolutely have no bussiness preaching from the Bible. Throw the Bible away as you are doing more harm than good.

Yeah John 8 is telling those who do evil follow satan. satan becomes their father, even those of the 12 tribes........you have a choice to follow the father of lies and murder or the father of rightousness!
Either one you follow will become your father!

Free will Awoke.........free will!
Its your choice!

[Awoke]

Blah blah blah.

"You are wrong! I am right! Sheppard Chapel has done what no other theologian body could do before in thousands of years, which is to have a perfect interpretation of all scriptures, beyond any question, and everyone else is wrong no matter what"

Spare me. I know it's all about free will. If we didn't have free will we couldn't choose to love the Lord our creator.

You are so quick to tell people what they don't know, how they are wrong, how you are right, how they need to learn this and that. You show such humility. [/sarc] Your latest comment that I should throw my bible away because I am doing more harm than good is beyond your previously (and profusely) displayed arrogance.

Let's keep one thing straight, 7th: I don't care what you think of me, and I am not looking for your approval. I think you're misled by a cult, and I told you that over a year ago. I know you well enough to know that you are going to fly off the handle and try to engage me in all this cultic dialogue, so just know where I stand on it.
Afaic your interpretations are twisted and your opinion counts for naught. So really, don't bother.

I told you from the start, My faith is based from Scripture and prayer. Not dogma and cultism. Shepards Chapel is not the Church of Philadephia or Smyrna, which were the ONLY TWO churches that were found to be without fault by Jesus Christ. Stuff that in your pipe and move on.

[Spectrism]

The message is the Jews (in their minds) are gods chosen people (never mind they are lying the whole time about signs from god) and we should follow them.
Some of you rose colored glasses folks who can't wait to be raptured are screaming please god kill them all.

"Some of you" does not apply to me. Also, it seems you have not been paying attention... re- the jews/chosen people thingy. WAKE UP@! Did you watch the videos before your silly replies? Do you care about the truth or are you just looking for trouble?

[dys]

WHAT ? Probably one-third of the New Testament is written in parables.


http://www.gci.org/bible/gospels/reveal

Parables written in English, yes. What I am saying is that there is a school of thought out there that says that there is something lost in the translation from Hebrew to English and the true meaning is something other than what it appears to mean in English. I disagree.

dys

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

lots of eye-poking in this thread.

A more civil discourse here would foster more learning. This is a pretty deep subject and its difficult enough to weigh these things without having to wade thru the "mines bigger that yours" garbage.

We are "sharing ideas"... Right?

[Steal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fgk2khtOr08

[dys]

You and I are not in agreement. I don't buy into the the sheppards chapel interpretation of Revelation or much else.

"A murderer from the beginning" is Satan, not Cain. It was Satan that drove Cain to murder.

John 8

Very important. Thanks, Awoke.

dys

[Bigjon]

"Some of you" does not apply to me. Also, it seems you have not been paying attention... re- the jews/chosen people thingy. WAKE UP@! Did you watch the videos before your silly replies? Do you care about the truth or are you just looking for trouble?

I watched the the first on all the way through, an ordeal at best. I started the second, but couldn't take any more abuse.
I love how you Christians spend your lives quoting from a book written by people who's only talent is being the best liars and deceivers on the planet. The bible is the best book, because it says so, circular reasoning at its best.
WAKE UP YOURSELF!
Talk about silly comments you are over the top.

[dys]

I watched the the first on all the way through, an ordeal at best. I started the second, but couldn't take any more abuse.
I love how you Christians spend your lives quoting from a book written by people who's only talent is being the best liars and deceivers on the planet. The bible is the best book, because it says so, circular reasoning at its best.
WAKE UP YOURSELF!
Talk about silly comments you are over the top.

The bible is not the best book because it says so, the bible is the best book because it's the best book. It'sthe best book because it is TRUE, and those of us that believe on Jesus Christ know that it's true the same way that you know when things are true. We know because we have lived it.

dys

[Awoke]

It's a book written by God, through men. It's divinely inspired.

...something like 60 different authors over periods of a few hundred years, most of them had never met each other, and never read each others texts, yet they all convey a contiguous message.

Oh, and BigJon, don't let yourself be fooled into thinking that the Bible was written by those you know as "jews", because it was not.

[Bigjon]

The people who want control use the bible to control you. They tell you to go and kill and you jump up and volunteer to be killers for Jesus.
It is a fairy tale for adults.

I don't need the bible to be moral, I only need common sense. The golden rule works without the bible and it doesn't tell me to go around the world killing people.

[Awoke]

Seriously, when have you ever heard a real and true Christian command people to kill? Killers for Jesus? Laughable.

Bigjon, you and I see a lot of things on the same level, and we agree on a lot of things. OK, so we don't agree on Christianity. I can live with that.

But know this: Those Politicians who, throughout the last 100 years or so, claimed to be Christians are in fact not. Not only that, but many of them are FMC satanists or worse. Most presidents who claimed to be Christians since the 70's onward never were Christians.
The mission for these 5th column decievers was to make the mass populace think exactly like you: "Christianity is a farce and full of contradictions and the leaders are bloodthirsty warmongering oppressors."

The opposite is true. Christianity is steadfast, loving and promotes harmony and peace. The Skull & Bones cultists (and other sects) have done their duty well, to fool even you my friend, and I mean that respectfully because I don't think you're easily fooled.

Also, understand that there is an extreme difference between real Christianity and the new-age, watered-down, homo-loving, pagan-embracing judeo-christianity. Most people you know that say they are Christians are not, and don't know it, because they have been misled since childhood into a false doctrine, which was instilled by the BLT's.

[dys]

The people who want control use the bible to control you. They tell you to go and kill and you jump up and volunteer to be killers for Jesus.
It is a fairy tale for adults.

I don't need the bible to be moral, I only need common sense. The golden rule works without the bible and it doesn't tell me to go around the world killing people.

Ridiculous. The biblical message and especially that of the new testament couldn't possibly be more antithetical to murder and killing of innocent people.

dys

[Bigjon]

Ridiculous. The biblical message and especially that of the new testament couldn't possibly be more antithetical to murder and killing of innocent people.

dys

True yet when it comes time to pick up a gun, the preachers preach it from the pulpit and the faithful followers follow instead of saying hell no killing is wrong. It would be real refreshing to see Christians stand up for their beliefs. It rarely happens though, they usually line up to kill the evil huns, spicks, kikes, xxx for Jesus.

Doesn't John Hagee profess to be a Christian for Israel.

[Awoke]

There are many out there who profess to be Christians but are just the opposite.

BigJon: By their fruits ye shall know them.

It's obvious these murderers and warmongers are not real Christians, don't you think?

[Bigjon]

There are many out there who profess to be Christians but are just the opposite.

BigJon: By their fruits ye shall know them.

It's obvious these murderers and warmongers are not real Christians, don't you think?

Yes, I think you're right, but why do "Christian's" have such a hard time figuring that out?

[Book]

There are 2 schools of thought out there:
1. The bible means exactly what it says that it means.
2. The bible needs to be translated to mean something other than it says.

Look at the people that pitch #2 vs. those that pitch #1, you'll see the truth.
For the record, I believe that #1 is the truth.

dys




http://youtu.be/K0_h3AAn7Pk

::) You actually believe that this Jonas guy literally spent three days and three nights in a whale's belly? 72 hours? Really?




In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus) makes a reference to Jonas when he was asked for a miraculous sign by the Pharisees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees) and teachers of the Law. Jonah's restoration after three days inside the great whale is said[who? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words)] to prefigure the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus) after three days.
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
—Gospel of Matthew, chapter 12 verses 39-41[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah#cite_note-bibmat39-6)

[Awoke]

Yes, I think you're right, but why do "Christian's" have such a hard time figuring that out?

Thanks to the works of the 5th column, my friend. Generations of slow infiltration and brainwashing and revision and doctoring and misinterpreting. The current judeo-christian body is the fruit of the decievers. They don't even know they are fooled.

[dys]

True yet when it comes time to pick up a gun, the preachers preach it from the pulpit and the faithful followers follow instead of saying hell no killing is wrong. It would be real refreshing to see Christians stand up for their beliefs. It rarely happens though, they usually line up to kill the evil huns, spicks, kikes, xxx for Jesus.

Doesn't John Hagee profess to be a Christian for Israel.

Buddy, you are a smart guy...you should be able to get this....consider:

How many people do you know that claim to be something other than what they are?
If a statist at heart claims to be a lover of freedom, does that make the statist a lover of freedom or just someone that claims to be a lover of freedom?
When the MSM media tries to label people like us as 'fringe' or 'right wing' or 'radical' does that mean the label applies to you?

Speaking for myself, I would NEVER murder another human being...and anyone that tells me or anyone else to do it is NOT a Christian in my book.

dys

[7th trump]

Very important. Thanks, Awoke.

dys
Well there you have it........ GSUSers professing to be Christians and are not. They cant even follow the object here of Cain being the murderer.
They also most likely beleive Eve ate an apple further twisting the truth!

Cain is the one who murdered Able.
satan just didnt appear out of thin air and murder Able now did he!

Do we read where God went to satan and asking why Able's blood cries out to Him?
Nope, we read God went to Cain asking why Able's blood cries out to God.
It isnt any wonder why the world (including these GSUSer's professing to be Christians) is going to whore after satan when he gets here play acting as Christ.
The blind leading the blind always fall in a ditch!
God really does pour out delusion to those who love delusion doesnt He?

[Old Herb Lady]

Parables written in English, yes. What I am saying is that there is a school of thought out there that says that there is something lost in the translation from Hebrew to English and the true meaning is something other than what it appears to mean in English. I disagree.

dys


What school of thought are you referring too ? Please enlighten me, I can't wait.

You make me nervous. And that code-word-test-the-spirit-code-thingy you got going on makes me nervous-er. (my new word... no in-depth meaning BTW)

What r u schmokin boy ?

[Old Herb Lady]

So what you're saying is that I'm not invited over for dinner.

I would love to have a fellow full-blooded Cro over for supper. I'd make a great Croatian meal for us all & then
give you a good old-fashioned SCHMACK uppa side your head ! You are so mean sometimes when trying to get your point across !
Smiri već Mishko. Ti si idući u imati srčani udar!

[dys]

What school of thought are you referring too ? Please enlighten me, I can't wait.

You make me nervous. And that code-word-test-the-spirit-code-thingy you got going on makes me nervous-er. (my new word... no in-depth meaning BTW)

What r u schmokin boy ?

I'll answer, but prior to answering...I don't care for the tone of this post. I also don't care for the mischaracterization you've made towards my test the spirits thread, which came directly from scripture and supports the veracity of scripture. http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57310-Test-the-spirits&highlight=test+spirits
You tell me, where in that thread did I mention code words? I know you are a well respected poster here, but that's a strawman attack if I've ever seen one.

RE: translations...certain wolves out there, and others that I believe have been deceived, will take scripture and twist it by saying that selected English words were really meant to mean something other than what they appear to mean in English. They often say that the bible was originally written in Hebrew, and Hebrew is a difficult language to translate, and the true meaning of x should be predicated on the REAL translation (which is different than what is written in KJV). For an example of this, search 7th Trump's post pertaining to the last days. As a matter of fact, search all of 7th's posts referring to scripture...you'll see what I mean.

dys

[7th trump]

I'll answer, but prior to answering...I don't care for the tone of this post. I also don't care for the mischaracterization you've made towards my test the spirits thread, which came directly from scripture and supports the veracity of scripture. http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?57310-Test-the-spirits&highlight=test+spirits
You tell me, where in that thread did I mention code words? I know you are a well respected poster here, but that's a strawman attack if I've ever seen one.

RE: translations...certain wolves out there, and others that I believe have been deceived, will take scripture and twist it by saying that selected English words were really meant to mean something other than what they appear to mean in English. They often say that the bible was originally written in Hebrew, and Hebrew is a difficult language to translate, and the true meaning of x should be predicated on the REAL translation (which is different than what is written in KJV). For an example of this, search 7th Trump's post pertaining to the last days. As a matter of fact, search all of 7th's posts referring to scripture...you'll see what I mean.

dys
Certain wolves huh?
Ok Dys.
Go look up the word "anti", using a concordence, when used in antichrist in Revelations. See if "anti" translates to "the opposite of" or "against" that the english modern day definition is.

The concordence translation is "instead of"!
An "instead of christ" is a whole lot different than what you want it to say or what you've been DECEIVED" it means Dys.
And with that you have to go back and reread using how the ancient languages meant "anti" to be used.
Why do you suppose theres such a thing like a concordence thats thousands of years olds Dys?
Its a tool and a way for the translation to not ever morph into lies and deception.
The fraken world is going to whore after this fake christ Dys and Christ shortened the 7 years satan was to play act on earth to a mere 5 months for elects sake!
The elect know whats going to go down and Christ shortened this fake time otherwise Christ feared there wouldnt be any flesh saved.
Did you get that Dys?
"For the elects sake"! This fake is that good at deception that God allowed that time to be shortened.
Ask yourself Dys.........just where do you think you rank with this shortening of satans time.
You'll be fooled not even out the gate compared to the elect.
"For the elects sake" and you arent a smit comparison to the elect.
They know whats coming and still its shortened for them.
By the way, do you even know why theres the elect?

[Steal]

http://foldmoney.com/images/50c.jpg





I thought the old $50 was hoover dam and the new $50 was hoover dam after they blew it.....

[Spectrism]

This has been a strange week for me. I have been in NYC. The people are oblivious to what is happening. The money flows here and there is no sign of the hardships hitting many Americans. This place is a wealth powerhouse. People I talk with cannot even begin to fathom the disaster looming. The concrete jungle makes it impossible to see very far.

When you know things to the core of your being, and when you try to tell others as helpful warnings, yet they disregard the words and look upon you as some lunatic, it can be a little disheartening. I am traveling with a coworker. Discussing things like the constitution, I get responses like: 'It is such an old document, it does not apply to today." Surrounded by highly educated idiots, I clearly see the signs of degeneration & degradation. The system and corrupt people will be flushed.

Now I talk with people who should be knowledgeable in places like GSUS. I expect a higher level of awareness here. I expect people to fashion reasoned arguments and at least consider the things they slander. How are we different from the educated idiots when we react to a fair warning without even hearing it, but think we have an informed opinion although flavored with hate and fear?

Anyway, it is surreal for me to walk through busy streets and see countless stores that soon will be wiped out. And people who hustle or homeless who shuffle, not even thinking about impending doom as a possibility, keeping busy about their meaningless lives. Today in particular I am saddened by life- what is, what was and what could have been. Start making wise decisions today. The only thing that will matter is where you stand when the dividing line is drawn. Get to the right side now.

Since nothing happens by mistake, I think my requirement to be here was for a reason. I am bearing witness.

[gunDriller]

This has been a strange week for me. I have been in NYC.

NYC is 35% Jews. They have Jew Nepotism working for them 24/7, across-the-board, in most industries.

[dys]

[QUOTE=Spectrism;520683]... Surrounded by highly educated idiots...QUOTE]

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Timothy 3:7

dys

[Spectrism]

NYC is 35% Jews. They have Jew Nepotism working for them 24/7, across-the-board, in most industries.

I would expect this is probably true. Looking at who owns the infrastructure and whose names are on the big buildings gives a clue.

I do hate calling them "jews" as they are typically evil people wearing jew costumes. It is like wolves wearing sheep skins and still eating a wolf diet.

[gunDriller]

I would expect this is probably true. Looking at who owns the infrastructure and whose names are on the big buildings gives a clue.

I do hate calling them "jews" as they are typically evil people wearing jew costumes. It is like wolves wearing sheep skins and still eating a wolf diet.

regardless of which metaphor is operative, they still work to create jobs for some of the MOST evil in their midst - their "spiritual" leaders, the Rabbi's - by insisting on "Kosher".

[SLV^GLD]

I actually read this book over the holiday weekend.

It's good stuff.

It's also written by a Jewish Rabbi (Messianic). It emphasizes that all who acted out the prophecies did so unwittingly.

While I have no doubts that the ancient prophesy could certainly be replayed in America as a harbinger of God's judgement and a beckoning to repent I do have serious doubts about the supposition that the actors were all unaware of their role. That the author emphasizes this makes me very suspect.

That the book ultimately asks the reader to search God's face in prayer and repentance and accurately describes Jesus' role in individual salvation seems almost counter intuitive.

If one can accept that this country stands under God's judgement then one might accept that God would beckon for repentance and healing and that the events of 9/11 may be such a call. If one has worked that far with this material one could easily accept this book and this man's words as the words of a prophet delivering the message no one wants to hear.

[Awoke]

I actually read this book over the holiday weekend.

It's good stuff.

It's also written by a Jewish Rabbi (Messianic).

- It emphasizes that all who acted out the prophecies did so unwittingly.
- the book ultimately asks the reader to search God's face in prayer and repentance and
- accurately describes Jesus' role in individual salvation seems almost counter intuitive.


Of course it does. It's written by a jewish rabbi.




If one can accept that this country stands under God's judgement then one might accept that God would beckon for repentance and healing and that the events of 9/11 may be such a call. If one has worked that far with this material one could easily accept this book and this man's words as the words of a prophet delivering the message no one wants to hear.

The entire reason that God came to earth as Christ was because we were too far gone to be forgiven by the usual means of repentance. Without Jesus, there is no salvation.

[SLV^GLD]

I'm getting from your response that the book is somehow intentionally misleading due to your statement about it being by a Jewish rabbi.

The book expressly states that method of redemption is via Jesus after thoroughly outlining the concept that judgement is nigh.

Maybe I misunderstand your point?

More to the point, do you think that by virtue of being a Jewish rabbi that he is explicitly occluding the actors' knowledge of their roles? Does this diminish the ultimate message which seems to be completely in line with your beliefs? If you answered yes, then no how is it possible to serve two masters?

[Awoke]

Maybe it is me who is not understanding your post correctly. Let me see if we can clear this up:


"It emphasizes that all who acted out the prophecies did so unwittingly."

As a jewish rabbi, he is suspect to me right off the hop. He may claim that those who acted out the phophecies did so unwittingly, and that may be true (an likely is). But underneath all that, I wonder if he would claim the same thing about the modern day "zionist" movement.

I personally believe that the modern day zionist movement is actually the luciferian khazar "abomination of desolation" setting it self up in the holy place, as Daniel warned us about, with the Synagogue of Satan claiming to be jews, but they are not, as Christ warned us about.

But with all that aside, most chumps just think the jews are Gods chosen people, and encourage and support "zionism", and I know for a fact that there are active groups of "jews" (or not) and "judeao-Christians" who are actively trying to fufill scriptural prophesy. They are looking at the prophesies as if they are an instruction manual, and saying, OK, next we have to do this". That is happening. They are frauds.




"accurately describes Jesus' role in individual salvation seems almost counter intuitive"

Counter intuitive to what, and to whom?


the book ultimately asks the reader to search God's face in prayer and repentance

Hmmm...




[20] (http://gold-silver.us/x/d?b=drb&bk=2&ch=33&l=20#x) And again he said: Thou canst not see my face: for man shall not see me and live. [21] (http://gold-silver.us/x/d?b=drb&bk=2&ch=33&l=21#x) And again he said: Behold there is a place with me, and thou shalt stand upon the rock.
[22] (http://gold-silver.us/x/d?b=drb&bk=2&ch=33&l=22#x) And when my glory shall pass, I will set thee in a hole of the rock, and protect thee with my right hand, till I pass:
[23] (http://gold-silver.us/x/d?b=drb&bk=2&ch=33&l=23#x) And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face thou canst not see.

[SLV^GLD]

The counter intuitive part is the part where he dissuades the reader from believing that the actors had knowledge of their roles yet ultimately delivers the message of Christ in appropriate form. As I alluded to, it appears he serves 2 masters.

As for the seeking God's face bit, the exact passage quoted in the book itself is:
2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Herein he states that those called by His name are the current believers who have the highest responsibility to carry the message and to display repentance.

There are several points in the book where he states that believers are to be lights unto the world. On the one hand this can be backed by scripture on the other it could be an allusion to the name "Lucifer".

[Awoke]

The face thing is open to debate, as there were times when the Lord hid His face, and time s when He said H e would no longer hide His face. I am not worthy to see the Lords face, so instead I seek His forgiveness.


The counter intuitive part is the part where he dissuades the reader from believing that the actors had knowledge of their roles yet ultimately delivers the message of Christ in appropriate form. As I alluded to, it appears he serves 2 masters.


Please be more detailed. I am not picking up what you're putting down.

[Spectrism]

The politicians were reading speeches- maybe even prepared by others- that sounded good... "we will rebuild".... "we will make it better than before". Yes- they were unwitting characters like the Balaam's ass. They spoke with pride and assurance that we will not be phased by the tragedy. BUT that tragedy was supposed to phase us and it was supposed to get our attention. The message was that we should humbly bow before God and seek His forgiveness as we turned from our wicked ways. Instead, these politicans asserted that we do not need God nor do we care about what God was spoken. We are strong enough to do what we want so God can just get lost.

It is not intentional that such hard thoughts would have crossed their minds.... but it was intentional that they chose the hardening of their hearts long before that moment.

[SLV^GLD]

Please be more detailed. I am not picking up what you're putting down.

Okay. I'm in your camp going into this book... Jewish rabbi seeks to prophesy about the events surrounding 9/11. Oooookay, I'm super skeptical.
As I continue to read the only alarm bell that repeatedly gets rung is the one getting smacked every time the guy emphasizes that the people involved in acting out the prophecy did so with no knowledge of their role. He even goes so far as to say that if they had knowledge they would not have participated. This bell gets hit maybe 100 times throughout the book.

However, the overall message is incontrovertibly Christian and is delivered unabashedly and explicitly details salvation through Jesus Christ, God's son sent for this express purpose. This serves an obvious master; the Lord.

I believe that at the very least people were told to say specific words at specific times to fulfill the prophecy and those doing the telling were cognizant. I believe also that it is quite possible that the actors themselves were cognizant. Finally, I believe that the author is aware of some degree of cognizance on the actors' part but he deliberately says there is none with great emphasis. To this end there is underhanded motive in obscuring the notion that the actors in the prophecy were acting in some cognizance of the prophecy. This appears to serve a different master altogether.

[SLV^GLD]

All the other stuff aside, I personally feel this work to be a modern day prophecy of the same order as any delivered by Isaiah or Jeremiah.

[Spectrism]

All the other stuff aside, I personally feel this work to be a modern day prophecy of the same order as any delivered by Isaiah or Jeremiah.


Finally, I believe that the author is aware of some degree of cognizance on the actors' part but he deliberately says there is none with great emphasis. To this end there is underhanded motive in obscuring the notion that the actors in the prophecy were acting in some cognizance of the prophecy. This appears to serve a different master altogether.

You can't have both. These are contradictory. The understanding of the speakers is questionable. They are dumb politicians who will say anything if it seems expedient. I am fairly certain they did NOT understand the context of the bible verses they used. They just seemed ignorant and condemned themselves, thinking that they were being brilliant.

[Awoke]

I thought you were asserting that Christ served two masters. Christ is God, and God is Christ, in unison with the Holy Spirit.

I might read this book though, after reading your review. I have so many books on the go at the same time, I have a hard time finishing them.

[NOOB]

The people who want control use the bible to control you. They tell you to go and kill and you jump up and volunteer to be killers for Jesus.
It is a fairy tale for adults.

I don't need the bible to be moral, I only need common sense. The golden rule works without the bible and it doesn't tell me to go around the world killing people.



Thanks Bigjon, just what I was thinking.

[Spectrism]

I thought this had already happened, but then read today- 10 May 2013, that the spire went on today. This may be the cap that pokes the finger in the eye of God and hell is now officially sanctioned to break loose. Think tower of Babel, Sodom & Gomorah, Tyre, and the proud Israelites worshipping evil gods.

May. 10, 2013 1:02 PM ET
Spire permanently installed on WTC tower
By ULA ILNYTZKY and TED SHAFFREY (http://example.com/v1/Journalists.svc/By+ULA+ILNYTZKY+and+TED+SHAFFREY)By ULA ILNYTZKY and TED SHAFFREY, Associated Press http://hosted2.ap.org/NewsArchive/images/icon/principles-book-blue.png (http://www.ap.org/newsvalues/index.html)


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The silver spire topping One World Trade Center is lifted as it is fully installed on the building's roof, bringing the structure to its full, symbolic height of 1,776 feet on Friday, May 10, 2013 in New York. The 408-foot spire, weighing 758 tons, will serve as a world-class broadcast antenna. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)


The silver spire topping One World Trade Center is lifted as it is fully installed on the building's roof, bringing the structure to its full, symbolic height of 1,776 feet on Friday, May 10, 2013 in New York. The 408-foot spire, weighing 758 tons, will serve as a world-class broadcast antenna. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)


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The final piece of spire is hoisted in place on top of One World Trade Center, Friday, May 10, 2013 in New York. The addition of the spire, and its raising of the building’s height to 1,776 feet, would make One World Trade Center the tallest structure in the U.S. and third-tallest in the world. (AP photo/Mark Lennihan)


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FILE - In this Sept. 11, 2010 file photo, the "Tribute in Light" shines above the construction cranes on One World Trade Center, and the lower New York skyline. In an annual tradition, the two bright blue beams of light are projected from lower Manhattan, in memory of the fallen twin towers. On World Trade Center's spire was fully installed atop One World Trade Center on Friday, May 10, 2013, bringing the New York City structure to its symbolic height of 1,776 feet. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)


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FILE - In this May 30, 2007 file photo, construction cranes work over the "Freedom Tower" construction site in New York. The World Trade Center, destroyed in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, will be anchored by One World Trade Center, as well as three additional office towers, a memorial and a transportation hub. The World Financial Center buildings in the background are occupied by Merrill Lynch, left, and American Express. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)


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FILE - This Aug. 29, 2007 file photo shows the World Trade Center site, center, surrounded by skyscrapers in New York. Installation of the 408-foot, 758-ton spire on One World Trade Center was completed Friday, May 10, 2013. It will serve as a world-class broadcast antenna and also as a beacon to ward off aircraft. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)



NEW YORK (AP) — A tall, heavy spire was fully installed atop One World Trade Center on Friday, bringing the New York City structure to its symbolic height of 1,776 feet.
Loud applause and cries of joy erupted from construction workers assembled on a temporary work platform on the roof of the building as the huge, silver spire was gently lowered and secured into place.
"It's a pretty awesome feeling," Juan Estevez said from a temporary platform on the roof of the tower where he and other workers watched the milestone.
"It's a culmination of a tremendous amount of team work ... rebuilding the New York City skyline once again," said Estevez, a project manager for Tishman Construction.


He said the workers around him were "utterly overjoyed."
Installation of the final two sections of the 408-foot, 758-ton spire was completed after pieces of it had been transported to the roof of the building last week. It will serve as a world-class broadcast antenna.
The building is at the northwest corner of the site where the twin World Trade Center towers were destroyed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The 72-story 4 World Trade Center is under construction at the southeast corner of the site.
Lee Ielpi, whose firefighter son died after responding to the attacks, watched workers secure the spire from his office at the nearby 9/11 Tribute Center, which he co-founded.
"The building looks spectacular. ... I'm looking forward to the day when the cranes come down and they light the spire at night," he said. "It's supposed to be a very moving experience."
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site, said the LED-powered light would be activated in the next few months.
"It's going to have a light that you can see from tens of miles away," said Port Authority Vice Chairman Scott Rechler. "And that light will change colors and in the next few months we are going to be activating that light, and it will be a beacon of hope just like the Statue of Liberty."

Friday's final installation, raising the building's height to 1,776 feet, makes One World Trade Center the tallest skyscraper in the U.S. and third-tallest in the world, although building experts dispute whether the spire is actually an antenna — a crucial distinction in measuring the building's height.
If it didn't have the spire, One World Trade Center would be shorter than the Willis Tower in Chicago, which stands at 1,451 feet and currently has the title of tallest building in the U.S., not including its own antennas.
The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, a Chicago-based organization considered an authority on such records, says an antenna is something simply added to the top of a tower that can be removed. By contrast, a spire is something that is part of the building's architectural design.
The tower is slated to open for business in 2014.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie both praised the construction workers for their tireless work.

Tenants include the magazine publisher Conde Nast, the government's General Services Administration and Vantone Holdings China Center, which will provide business space for international companies.

[messianicdruid]

I don't know how I missed this thread for over a year. Thanks Spectrism.