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steyr_m
3rd March 2012, 08:19 AM
Don't know how to paste in-line, but this is a eye-opening read.


http://www.zengardner.com/censorship-2/orwells-startling-world-is-officially-here/

dys
3rd March 2012, 10:08 AM
Don't know how to paste in-line, but this is a eye-opening read.


http://www.zengardner.com/censorship-2/orwells-startling-world-is-officially-here/

A few months ago I arrived early to the library on my day off. With nothing better to do and 20 minutes to kill, I decided to go for a walk. White collar neighborhood....5 minutes later the gestapo showed up. Someone had called the cops, because it was suspicious of me to go for a walk...
This is really happening.

dys

mick silver
3rd March 2012, 03:30 PM
at times i wonder if Orwell didnt write the plans for whats goverments are doing now . then he wrote a book to look like he seen what was coming

Glass
3rd March 2012, 03:42 PM
I'm amazed so many people have never read it. One of the most depressing things I've read but it's here.

steyr_m
3rd March 2012, 08:17 PM
I'm amazed so many people have never read it. One of the most depressing things I've read but it's here.

When I was in HS, 1984 or Animal Farm were required reading. Communists have done well in our societies....

LuckyStrike
3rd March 2012, 08:25 PM
When I was in HS, 1984 or Animal Farm were required reading. Communists have done well in our societies....

Yeah same here, I friend of mine is fond of saying when the topic of why do so many young people like Ron Paul comes up "you make us read books like 1984, Animal Farm and Brave New World, from a young age realize the problems of totalitarianism and then wonder why we like Ron Paul?"

AndreaGail
3rd March 2012, 08:29 PM
When I was in HS, 1984 or Animal Farm were required reading. Communists have done well in our societies....

it was slowly being phased out during my senior year back in 2007. they were on a long list of "optional books" for a summer reading assignment

my how a few years changes things...i was looking what my sister had to read for her senior english class and its full of new age crap about african history, mexicans, and a set of japanese short stories

oh but there are a few "classics" that are still required like to kill a mockingbird and a raisin in the sun ::)

palani
3rd March 2012, 08:45 PM
Communists have done well in our societies.... They call them environmentalists now.

Glass
3rd March 2012, 09:33 PM
They call them environmentalists now.

Like a watermelon. Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

lapis
4th March 2012, 03:29 AM
Thanks for posting this; I really enjoyed it, especially the pulp fiction book cover which shows Winston and Julia in a provocative way. They ought to bring this style of cover back to pique the interest of a new generation of readers. ;)

This is the cover of the Signet edition I read back in college, and it's not anywhere near as intriguing as the old one:


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It's been years since I've read it, so I'd forgotten about these passages from the book which explains why it takes so long for society to evolve:
“If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated.”

“Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.” – referring to the proles.
However, I don't know if the proles have to rebel in order to become conscious. If that's the case, then it probably won't happen in our lifetime.

dys
5th March 2012, 07:15 AM
I'm amazed so many people have never read it. One of the most depressing things I've read but it's here.

I'm even more amazed at the number of people that HAVE read it, yet don't think it applies to today's world.

dys

Awoke
5th March 2012, 07:24 AM
The reason those books were made compulsory was to plant the seeds of recognition and acceptance for the NWO. Same purpose as the compulsory reading of the diary of Anne Frank.

jimswift
5th March 2012, 12:46 PM
I'm even more amazed at the number of people that HAVE read it, yet don't think it applies to today's world.

dys

I'll have to agree with this.

Few people I've talked to and mentioned it, they nod their head, but it doesn't seem to register. It's like a loose electric connection. bzzzzz, bzzzzz, bzzzzzz

Looks to me like they are using his books as guidelines.

woodman
5th March 2012, 01:36 PM
Looks to me like they are using his books as guidelines.

Or he used their guidlines for his books, as mentioned earlier in this thread.

dys
6th March 2012, 04:24 AM
I'll have to agree with this.

Few people I've talked to and mentioned it, they nod their head, but it doesn't seem to register. It's like a loose electric connection. bzzzzz, bzzzzz, bzzzzzz

Looks to me like they are using his books as guidelines.

Right, the lights are on but no one is home.

dys

BrewTech
6th March 2012, 07:43 AM
Or he used their guidlines for his books, as mentioned earlier in this thread.

That book was, of course, written right after WW2. Orwell had been involved in the military, and authoritarianism was a pretty fresh concept. The characters were more or less based on popular tyrants of the day.

When they had me read that book in high school, I couldn't put it down. I was even sneaking in reading time during other classes.

I read it about once every 90 days now, and still find that concepts that didn't necessarily apply the previous year apply strongly now.

lapis
6th March 2012, 08:51 PM
The reason those books were made compulsory was to plant the seeds of recognition and acceptance for the NWO. Same purpose as the compulsory reading of the diary of Anne Frank.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case, but still, 1984 is great literature whereas Anne Frank's diary, To Kill a Mockingbird and A Raisin in the Sun are not.

They are counterfeit in that they insulate readers from reality, but great literature like 1984 illuminates reality or even magnify certain parts so that the reader cannot escape what the novel is showing about "the real world."

This illumination is something the PTB don't want us getting, so this is why you find the great works as written by the maligned "dead white men" being replaced with counterfeit literature like the diary of Anne Frank.

AndreaGail
6th March 2012, 09:01 PM
The reason those books were made compulsory was to plant the seeds of recognition and acceptance for the NWO. Same purpose as the compulsory reading of the diary of Anne Frank.

Our 7th grade teacher left the room crying when she was reading excerpts from the book to us and was discussing her "life changing" trup to Auschwitz

lapis
6th March 2012, 09:26 PM
Our 7th grade teacher left the room crying when she was reading excerpts from the book to us and was discussing her "life changing" trup to Auschwitz

::)

See, people confuse drama and spectacle with "life-changing." A story about a girl hiding from evil Nazis is very dramatic and engrossing, but I doubt it's life-changing.

Something life-changing would be reading a book that leads you to discover that all your cherished beliefs and ideas about life are paltry and delusional.

Most modern literature (mainly since the 40s) merely reinforces the PTB's ideas of good and evil and makes us feel good about ourselves crying over scenes like a girl hiding from evil Nazis.

There's a great quote by Kafka about what real literature does to you when you read it:
"I think we ought to read only the kind of books that wound and stab us. If the book we are reading doesn't wake us up with a blow on the head, what are we reading it for? ...We need the books that affect us like a disaster, that grieve us deeply, like the death of someone we loved more than ourselves, like being banished into forests far from everyone, like a suicide. A book must be the axe for the frozen sea inside us."
Counterfeit fiction like Anne Frank's diary (even if "true") if anything reinforces the frozen sea within us along with our delusional beliefs and make it so that we can't see reality.

Neuro
7th March 2012, 02:20 AM
When I was in HS, 1984 or Animal Farm were required reading. Communists have done well in our societies....

So it was in Sweden too, 30 years ago... Possibly the reach of Orwell would have been greater if the books had been prohibited instead of made compulsory!