"The Box" or... Would YOU push the button?

[Gaillo]

Henny and I watched a movie last night - "The Box" [2009]. It's a science-fiction thriller with a simple premise:

A mid-'70s couple with financial problems are, out of the blue, offered (by a hideously deformed stranger with a suitcase full of $100 bills) a deal: They can have the suitcase of cash (1 Million Dollars in mid-'70s currency) IF they push the button on a "Button Unit" (a wooden box with locking glass dome over the button to avoid accidental pressing). The catch? Somebody they don't know, a complete stranger, will die (killed, we all assume). They have 24 hours to decide, and must not tell ANYBODY else about it or the deal is off. The only other thing I'll say is that a few hours into their dilemma, the couple grows to be pretty much CONVINCED that the stranger is "for real" and that he WILL deliver on both promises if the button is pressed.

I won't go into the movie any further, or comment on what follows... for the benefit of those who might want to watch the film spoiler-free. I won't even go into whether or not it's a "good" movie (it's one of those that you'll probably either love or hate, and a lot of that depends on HOW deeply you like your movies to make you THINK...).

What I will do, on the otherhand, is post this poll - asking whether or not YOU would press the button, and invite you to discuss why you made the particular choice you did.

I welcome discussion of the actual movie in this thread, but ask that you post "WARNING: MOVIE SPOILERS FOLLOW" at the beginning of any discussion that might involve the plot or outcome of the movie, for the benefit of those who might want to watch the film spoiler-free. Thanks.

[woodman]

I would not press the button because I have a conscience and I would rather be poor than rich and damned.

[mamboni]

If the victim is a Zionist or Neocon I would push the button and donate the money to a Palestinian or Arab charity.

[Gaillo]

If the victim is a Zionist or Neocon I would push the button and donate the money to a Palestinian or Arab charity.

No information is provided to you about WHO will be killed... only that it is a COMPLETE stranger that you've never met.

[EE_]

1. Well, it's someone I don't know...so that excludes me, family and friends.
2. A banker, Wall Streeter, a Jew/Khazar, congressman, government official, a cop, a Fox News conservative Christian, A Fox news talking head, a Liberal democrat, all would definately push the button.
3. We all have to die sometime.
4. No guarantee the person is telling the truth
5. $1,000,000 is a lot of scratch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO-a-sOb11M

[mamboni]

No information is provided to you about WHO will be killed... only that it is a COMPLETE stranger that you've never met.


Yeah yeah yeah, I got that. I've got sources don't you know. Hold the phone bro, I'm working on it.

[Book]

Somebody they don't know, a complete stranger, will die (killed, we all assume).



http://homeschoolent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Start-button.png

GSUSers don't like strangers anyway.

:D

[Gaillo]

1. Well, it's someone I don't know...so that excludes me, family and friends.
2. A banker, Wall Streeter, a Jew/Khazar, congressman, government official, a cop, a Fox News conservative Christian, A Fox news talking head, a Liberal democrat, all would definately push the button.
3. We all have to die sometime.
4. No guarantee the person is telling the truth
5. $1,000,000 is a lot of scratch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO-a-sOb11M

Interesting. So, the fact that it's a stranger (with no value in your life), combined with the fact our enemies (with their twisted morality) would press, and the magnitude of the reward would all sway you toward pushing the button? What if it was $1,000 instead of a million... would the same logic still apply?

P.S. Re: #4 - in the movie, and my OP, the guy IS telling the truth - or at least has convinced you that he is.

[EE_]

Interesting. So, the fact that it's a stranger (with no value in your life), combined with the fact our enemies (with their twisted morality) would press, and the magnitude of the reward would all sway you toward pushing the button? What if it was $1,000 instead of a million... would the same logic still apply?

P.S. Re: #4 - in the movie, and my OP, the guy IS telling the truth - or at least has convinced you that he is.

80% of Americans are clueless sheep eating up the Jewish media bullshit and voting for either Obama or ORomney
60% of Americans want to kill anyone that doesn't support Israel
50% of Americans are working for and sucking on the government tit
20% are in prison or are criminals
95% of the media are evil Khazars

The chances are good you will take out one of these worthless bastards.
Gotta play the odds! A million is a nice round number!

[Gaillo]

80% of Americans are clueless sheep eating up the Jewish media bullshit and voting for either Obama or ORomney
60% of Americans want to kill anyone that doesn't support Israel
50% of Americans are working for and sucking on the government tit
20% are in prison or are criminals
95% of the media are evil Khazars

The chances are good you will take out one of these worthless bastards.
Gotta play the odds! A million is a nice round number!

That's a decent argument.. the odds of killing a scumbag are high.
Since you are only pressing a button, and not doing any actual killing yourself, does that absolve you from moral responsibility for the actual death, in your mind? What if it turns out to be 1 of the 5% of "good guys" when all is said and done?

Sorry... just playing "devil's advocate" here... ;)

[EE_]

That's a decent argument.. the odds of killing a scumbag are high.
Since you are only pressing a button, and not doing any actual killing yourself, does that absolve you from moral responsibility for the actual death, in your mind? What if it turns out to be 1 of the 5% of "good guys" when all is said and done?

Sorry... just playing "devil's advocate" here... ;)

I'll guess I'll never know if I killed someone.
It will probably cross my mind while I'm building my off-grid farm and donating to and helping people in need.
If I really wanted to kill innocent people, I'd join the military service and do it for Israel.

[Libertytree]

I would NOT hit the button, simply because it's not the right thing to do. You can't make deals with "the devil" and win, there's always a price to be paid and to me it's just not worth my gain at someone elses expense, let alone their life.

[Gaillo]

Keep in mind, folks... the price of Gold in the mid-'70s hovered around $500 per ounce. So, the offer of 1 million buckys really equated to more like $3,500,000 in today's dollars... if you base it only on the price of gold. However, based on commodity inflation in other economic sectors, I'm thinking it would be worth MUCH more today... probably pushing $10,000,000.

[Gaillo]

It's looking like Zap would probably press it! ;)

Zap 'em, Zap! ;D

[EE_]

Don't be afraid Zap, press the button! We can do good things for people with the money. :)

We'll all be dead next February 15th anyway.

http://www.tattoos-images.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/little-devil-tattoos.jpg

[Twisted Titan]

Nah.......

Only Person I'm killing is a Direct threat on me or my Family.

Im wise enough to know Those deals NEVER have a happy ending

No body is giving that up unless they are going to get much more in the end.

That is a Faustian deal...cause you can be certain when the smoke clears the button presser is going to see what he lost will be far less then what he got.

That creature is looking for a First Class Sucker and my Momma didn't raise none.

[LuckyStrike]

I wouldn't even consider it.

[EE_]

Let's take the hypothetical one step farther.
It's a plane loaded with the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the Clintons, George Soros, Hank Paulson, Allen Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Netanyahu, and the Bush's...I'll throw in a Newt as a bonus

Would you push the button for 100 million?

[Gaillo]

Let's take the hypothetical one step farther.
It's a plane loaded with the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the Clintons, George Soros, Hank Paulson, Allen Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Netanyahu, and the Bush's

Would you push the button for 100 million?

Is a pig's snout made of pork? ;D

I'd be a button slammin' mo'fo - I'd go spastic rainman on that box! ;D


I'd sleep REAL good at night afterwards, too! ;)

[Twisted Titan]

Id do it for Three Mercury Dimes......and I want my loot up front

[Gaillo]

Just to go on record here, I personally would NOT press the button in the original scenario, for several reasons.

#1 - I make it a point to NEVER make deals that have unknown stipulations - I want to know exactly WHAT I'm agreeing to.

#2 - I do NOT believe in actions divorced from consequences, I would EXPECT "payback" in some (negative) form were I to press the button.

#3 - "Freedom" purchased at the involuntary expense of another is NOT freedom.

#4 - The whole thing REEKS of corruption, fraud and coercion... things I've pledged my entire life to fighting.

Just sayin' ;)

[MAGNES]

Gaillo, you want us to play a fictional character, imagine,
if we were in a khazar movie where they establish the rules
and parameters where black magic exists voodoo exists ?

Here is Magnes the fictional character going along here for fun.

I wouldn't work for Satan or one of his disciples.

I would beat the shit out of that fucker at the very least.

I would put him in the ground.

Take his money if I can, destroy the box.

No more games and deals with Satan demons walking around.

Nobody will be bothered by him again. No innocent person will die.

Gaillo, this is a box you put everyone in yourself, I don't
believe in voodoo like this and this movie is selling it, and
you are expecting everyone to go along with it, it is not real.

There is real out there.

Khazar Talmudist troll hollywood trolling society framing everything.

Step outside their box. There are no rules for them anyways.

Do not let them decide the parameters of discussion.

If you want to know why corruption exists, it exists because of
people that go along with similar in real life, imagine if you can make
$100 million dollars this year if you kill " bad " muslims for Israel.
You ain't guilty because you are just going along.

Anyone that would press that button here, you are the ZOG stooges !

[ArizonaDad]

I didn't see the 2009 movie, but I remember the original Twilight Zone episode it was copied from very well. The episode was named "Button, Button". And no, I would not have considered pushing the button.

[Libertytree]

Let's take the hypothetical one step farther.
It's a plane loaded with the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the Clintons, George Soros, Hank Paulson, Allen Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Netanyahu, and the Bush's...I'll throw in a Newt as a bonus

Would you push the button for 100 million?

Now you're just teasing and tempting me...you devil!!>:D

I might just say to hell with it and do it, IDK? but my other self says they will get their own in due time and it's not my place to displace judgement, what they have comin to'em is a whole lot worse than an airplane crash.

[Gaillo]

Gaillo, you want us to play a fictional character, imagine,
if we were in a Khazar movie where black magic exists ?

Here is Magnes the fictional character going along here for fun.

I wouldn't work for Satan or one of his disciples.

I would beat the shit out of that fucker at the very least.

I would put him in the ground.

Take his money if I can, destroy the box.

No more games and deals with Satan demons walking around.

Nobody will be bothered by him again. No innocent person will die.

Gaillo, this is a box you put everyone in yourself, I don't
believe in voodoo like this and this movie is selling it, and
you are expecting everyone to go along with it, it is not real.

There is real out there.

Khazar Talmudist troll hollywood trolling society framing everything.

Step outside their box. There are no rules for them anyways.

Do not let them decide the parameters of discussion.


WARNING: MOVIE SPOILERS FOLLOW

MAGNES, there is actually no "black magic" or Khazar bullshit in the movie, the story unfolds like this:

Aliens (I did say it was sci-fi) are testing mankind to see if we have a "Altruism Factor" high enough (concern for our fellow man) to make the human race worth saving. The couple in question DOES press the button, and DEEPLY regret the decision afterward... starting with the deformed man saying "OK - we'll now give the button unit to the next person, but don't worry - it's nobody you know!" LOL! ;D

Anyway, I personally didn't think it was that great of a movie... but it did bring up questions of moral responsibility, justice, and consequences of actions - things that a lot of today's hollywood crap films ignore completely.

I think it's worth a watch, even though the movie gets a bit wierd at the end and leaves a lot of questions unanswered (on purpose, I'm sure!). I think it would have been a MUCH better movie if they'd just revealed that it was an alien experiment, then focused on the moral fallout of the couple's choice that ended up in another's death, and possibly eventually their own!

I'd rate it 3 stars out of 5 - mostly for being thought-provoking and actually acknowleging that there is such a thing as consequences to actions!

[MAGNES]

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WARNING: MOVIE SPOILERS FOLLOW [ gaillo ]

>:D [ magnes ]

Outside the box people, outside the box ! [ magnes ] ;D



Aliens (I did say it was sci-fi) are testing mankind to see if we have a "Altruism Factor"

Another khazar box and disinformation, space aliens are promoted
by the Occult and Khazars, we have seen that personally, press the
button, and this justifies Khazar rule over man and their genocides.
Mankind sucks so they deserve what we " the chosen " will give them.

Only Jews can come up with shit like this and it is all propaganda.

Picking one person and a weak person proves nothing.
The " aliens " are stupid fucks. They should take a course
in statistics for one.

A Society fighting for it's freedom shows something.
The aliens should test that one. Not individual weakness.'
You need standards to measure failure, when someone fails
it is not hypocrisy, they are just weak, the standards are in place.

Magnes that character in the Khazar movie putting their agent in
the ground promoting khazar voodoo on the screen shows something.
He would get zapped with a ray gun, oh well, or would he get an award ?

Society has laws, standards, that is the test the aliens should use.
Laws against murder, punishment, so the society passes the test.

Is it a Just Society and Just People ? That is the test.

The alien society does not pass the test, they fail their own test.

Are the aliens themselves " honorable ", no they are not, their test
proves it, therefore they have no moral high ground to judge, they
fail. The aliens are probably as bad as this gang.

See bottom of post. John Chrysostom c. 347–407, Archbishop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop) of Constantinople (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople),
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59315-You-too-can-be-a-Talmudic-Scholar!&p=521588#post521588 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59315-You-too-can-be-a-Talmudic-Scholar%21&p=521588#post521588)

edit add,
I had some fun here, didn't play by rules, lol, the movie Gaillo put up seems to be allegory, metaphor for greater issues, I don't believe in coincidences from hollywood, there is common
denominators, my studies of the Occut, they hate God, Man, Beauty, Truth, Justice,
promotion of corruption for the very purpose of ruling through corruption.

[Gaillo]

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WARNING: MOVIE SPOILERS FOLLOW

I hear ya, MAGNES...

However, speculative fiction involving aliens, whether or not they are benevolent, dumbfucks, etc. is nothing new, and not limited to Khazar bullshit and genocidal justufications. Plenty of non-zionists, non-occult people and anti-globalists have written science fiction involving aliens.

Sometimes sci-fi is just plain fun or thought provoking to watch, even if we know the basic premise is bullshit or highly unlikely. I personally found the premise to this particular film to be one of the more "likely" alien scenarios, were I to believe in space aliens (which I do not...) - similar in concept to the old '50s film "The Day the Earth Stood Still" but with more secretive and experimental aliens instead of "in-your-face" behave or else laser robots! ;)

[EE_]

Some of you guys crack me up.
The many atheists here should have no problem with pushing the button...there are no consequences.
Many here are pacifists and are content to let things happen without action.
You just want to be left alone, knowing full well many will not leave you alone.
Some feel no life should be taken no matter how evil...yet we cheer when others kill bad people.
The original question had no stipulations...it was just that.
People tend to fabricate stipulations and that pushing the button might kill someone good. Understandable.
I had a feeling no one would push the button, so I chose to take the other side for the sake of arguement. It doesn't matter if I would push it or not, it was hypothetical and not real.
This country cannot be taken back without innocent people dying or by sitting back and letting things happen.
You can take that to the bank...along with my million dollars! >:D

[Gaillo]

The many atheists here should have no problem with pushing the button...there are no consequences.

I am Atheist, I would not press the button. I know several other Atheists, and I can say with some degree of CERTAINTY that most of them would ALSO not press the button. The concept of "consequences" has many meanings, only a few of which involve a wrathful punishing deity.

Theism is NOT equivalent to morality, a functional and just/honorable moral code IS possible outside of a belief in supernatural beings.

[EE_]

I am Atheist, I would not press the button. I know several other Atheists, and I can say with some degree of CERTAINTY that most of them would ALSO not press the button. The concept of "consequences" has many meanings, only a few of which involve a wrathful punishing deity.

Theism is NOT equivalent to morality, a functional and just/honorable moral code IS possible outside of a belief in supernatural beings.

At least there is no creator to judge or punish you. I think morals are a different thing and matter only to a persons character.

[solid]

I wouldn't push the button. The sick bastard who created this idea isn't the type to kill someone who deserves it, it would most likely be some innocent kid. I'd try to find the guy instead, if it was possible, and stop him from picking some weak asshole who would push the button.

So, imo, don't push the button. Find that crazy animal and put him down (like Magnes suggested). Then, once that good deed is done. Hookers and blow with the million bucks!

[Gaillo]

At least there is no creator to judge or punish you. I think morals are a different thing and matter only to a persons character.

That is exactly what I see as one of the main differences between Theists and Atheists:

Many (not all) Theists are worried about doing something wrong, because God will punish them.
Many (not all) Atheists are worried about punishing themselves, by doing something wrong.

Hope that made sense...


In my view, both paths CAN (but don't necessarily always) lead to "right action".

[EE_]

That is exactly what I see as one of the main differences between Theists and Atheists:

Many (not all) Theists are worried about doing something wrong, because God will punish them.
Many (not all) Atheists are worried about punishing themselves, by doing something wrong.

Hope that made sense...

Everyone has to look at themselves in the mirror...at least I think so.
All the vampires running this world might not see anything at all?

[MAGNES]

Above I spoke to Justice and the Just Moral State .

In this not so serious set up of a thread.

Here is some ancient teachings and beliefs that permeate to our society that I have spoken to on here many times.


At least there is no creator to judge or punish you.

Who says ? Another box, A Strawman created.


I am Atheist

JUSTICE, is a Goddess and a force of nature.

FREEDOM, is a Goddess and a force of nature.

PEACE, is a Goddess and a force of nature. ( the name Irene comes from this )

War is a force of nature, you have to fight for all the above,
because of the nature of man.

GOOD ORDER, is a Goddess and a force of nature. ( the name Eunice comes from this )

Read Gaillo's signature in this context above.

The images and related of all of the above are everywhere and on your PM's.

Custom and Tradition gave birth to, etc , Law. Again, more Goddesses.

I just summed up the most important basic Greek Mythology for you.

One word sums it all up, Justice.

The 3 highest Gods worshiped were Zues, Athena, Apollo,
Zues and Athena, their highest titles are Justice Giver and
are presented in this way. And all of the above is related to
them.

Everything the Greeks did was framed by this.

This is what defines The West. Plato is The West.

Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, lived in this world, Plato is the leader here
with Socrates, the main topic is Justice, a Just Moral Society, written
in metaphor, allegory, mostly discussions. They knew people were weak.

Aristotle himself speaks to fiat money even, it is perfect,
as perfect as man, lol .

My previous post works along these lines of debate.

If the people in your society can be identified to push that button,
and put in power and used, then your society is finished.

You won't have Justice, Freedom, Peace, Good Order.

You have been judged.


Edit add, many of these ideas are very Christian, that is no accident.
The Hellenistic Kingdoms laid the groundwork for Christianity, and
Christianity was born in this Roman occupied Hellenistic Kingdom,
Plato is the number two man in Christianity, Christian Philosophy.
This is why the Jews hate them all. The Occult hates them all.


The shortest and surest way to live with honour in the world, is to be in reality what we would appear to be; and if we observe, we shall find, that all human virtues increase and strengthen themselves by the practice of them. - SOCRATES

"All men's souls are immortal, but the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine."
- SOCRATES

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil."
- SOCRATES

[Twisted Titan]

http://youtu.be/p4SYhiYUoqo



http://youtu.be/uafNxDYkyDE

[Rubberchicken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac2EjcaFM2I

[Shami-Amourae]

I wouldn't push the button. I wouldn't do it not since I'm moral, but because I'm smart enough to think outside the box. Let me explain:

The stipulation is a person dies who you don't know. So lets think about it. Some mysterious people are going around giving you a button to push. Before you someone else pushed the button, and it was a test of morality to see if their greed outweighed their morals.

What it sounds like to me is the mysterious person who might die if you push the button is the last person who pushed the button. If you don't push the button you're head isn't on the chopping block. If you did push the button your head is on the chopping block. The reason someone would do this button test is to kill off most of the the people with no morals, leaving them at the mercy of the next person in the game.

This is how I would see it. Since the main outline of the game itself seems too fishy, too good to be true. There's a hidden motive, and what I said probably is what is going to happen.

[k-os]

This is like a gentle version of "Saw".

I would not press the button. No amount of money would make me sleep easily if I knew that I was responsible for another person's unwarranted death.

I would like to think I could kill to defend myself, but I would not like to think that I would kill for any other reason.

[zap]

It's looking like Zap would probably press it! ;)

Zap 'em, Zap! ;D

Why did you say that? I just voted I had this on the black satin and I didn't know there was a voting spot til right now, and I voted No !

1 million dollars isn't that much money this day in age, maybe I'd think harder if they times it by 10.

[EE_]

I wouldn't either in reality.
The thread might have died if I didn't take the other side

[Gaillo]

Why did you say that? I just voted I had this on the black satin and I didn't know there was a voting spot til right now, and I voted No !

1 million dollars isn't that much money this day in age, maybe I'd think harder if they times it by 10.


Because you thanked 2 posts by a person who WOULD (allegedly) push it...
I know you wouldn't, I knew when I made the "Zap 'em" post, but I couldn't resist having some fun with you! ;D

[Gaillo]

I wouldn't either in reality.
The thread might have died if I didn't take the other side

Then it should probably die...
Though, with Zap now officially denying it... I'm wondering who else (there're 2 votes) among us WOULD press it - and why?

I would not honestly expect even ONE vote to "push the button" on a forum of this caliber... except maybe from a new sock that hasn't posted enough for us to catch on yet!

[Mouse]

I would definitely not push the button because I saw the movie already. Wonderful wife and I were watching the movie and we both were like "don't flippin do it, don't push it". So I guess we have stairs in our house :)

Interesting movie.

[ximmy]

I don't need a million dollars, I will press the button...

[iOWNme]

This was an old TwilightZone episode....There are NO new movie ideas......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button,_Button_(The_Twilight_Zone