View Full Version : Latest Russian jet with differentially operating 3D thrust vector control
midnight rambler
5th March 2012, 07:44 PM
Your standard Su-34 with an engine upgrade, nothing like it anywhere outside of Russia -
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/7/1/0/2055017.jpg
midnight rambler
5th March 2012, 07:48 PM
07 Red with retro-fitted engines with afterburner rings lit -
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/4/1/2060140.jpg
midnight rambler
5th March 2012, 07:51 PM
04 Red with retro-fitted engines, their entire fleet of Su-34s are being retro-fitted with differentially operating 3D TVC - something the Kosher MIC seems incapable of doing.
It appears nacelle intakes have been modified as they now have some sort of slot on the bottom leading edge -
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/3/8/2040839.jpg
midnight rambler
5th March 2012, 07:56 PM
04 Red again, definitely some sort of slot at the leading edge on the bottom of the nacelles that wasn't there with the non-TVC engines.
See all those gray panels? Those are avionics/electronic warfare antennas on the bottom of the stinger, on the fuselage, the elevators, the leading edges of the wings and leading edge root extensions at the canards, etc. -
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/3/2/2024230.jpg
7th trump
6th March 2012, 12:00 AM
So what Sukio fan.
It'll get knock right out of the sky like any other russian fighter.
100lb ice balls are going to level the soviet millitary in a matter of seconds.
Russia isnt that smart......... its stolen technology.
Gaillo
6th March 2012, 12:21 AM
Have acrobatic dogfighting abilities really meant anything since Vietnam?
I was under the impression that modern-day fighter aircraft kill each other without needing to come into visual range... please correct me if I'm wrong.
midnight rambler
6th March 2012, 12:33 AM
Have acrobatic dogfighting abilities really meant anything since Vietnam?
I was under the impression that modern-day fighter aircraft kill each other without needing to come into visual range... please correct me if I'm wrong.
The primary fighter jet the USAF and Navy had in the SE Asia War Games was the F-4 Phantom, and it was designed without any sort of gun for 'knife fighting'. After a time they appreciated what they had managed to screw up and attempted to mount a gun on it as an afterthought, and that didn't work out very well. Guess what - even the Craptor has a cannon on it (JIC for knife-fights). Of course one only manages to get into a knife fight if one hasn't brought enough missiles to the fight. (the Su-27 family of a/c have cannons on them as well).
midnight rambler
8th March 2012, 02:25 PM
Russia isnt that smartYou're kidding, right?
Russian space 'firsts': the first intercontinental ballistic missile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_ballistic_missile) (1957), first satellite (Sputnik-1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_1)), first animal in space (the dog Laika (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laika) on Sputnik 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_2)), first human in space and Earth orbit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_orbit) (cosmonaut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmonaut) Yuri Gagarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Gagarin) on Vostok 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_1)), first woman in space and Earth orbit (cosmonaut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmonaut) Valentina Tereshkova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentina_Tereshkova) on Vostok 6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_6)), first spacewalk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacewalk) (cosmonaut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmonaut) Alexey Leonov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Leonov) on Voskhod 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voskhod_2)), first Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon) impact (Luna 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_2)), first image of the far side of the moon (Luna 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_3)) and unmanned lunar soft landing (Luna 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_9)), first space rover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_rover), first space station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_station), and first interplanetary probe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_probe).Yeah, those dumb Rooskies somehow got lucky and currently have the only operational space program capable of putting people into space. lol
its stolen technology. Again, you can't possibly be serious.
The Russians had differentially operating (nozzles working independently and capable of pointing opposite directions) 2D TVC a full ten years before the F-22 CRAPtor was operational with tandem operating (both nozzles pointing the same direction in tandem all the time) 2D TVC. Not only that, the Russians had their differentially operating 2D TVC set at an approx. 45 degree angle from each other -
http://vayu-sena-aux.tripod.com/thumbs/su30mkidetail8_t.jpg
And you wanna know what's really funny? Prior to the CRAPtor the MIC couldn't manage to produce a jet engine which wouldn't flame out upon no intake air being forced into it while the Russians have been doing tailslides (i.e. having a negative pressure at the intake) without flaming out the engines for over 25 years. Since the MIC is using over 25 y.o. technology (with respect to the tandem operating 2D TVC) on the CRAPtor, exactly who did the Russians 'steal' their technology from?? ???
7th trump
8th March 2012, 04:47 PM
You're kidding, right?
Yeah, those dumb Rooskies somehow got lucky and currently have the only operational space program capable of putting people into space. lol
Again, you can't possibly be serious.
The Russians had differentially operating (nozzles working independently and capable of pointing opposite directions) 2D TVC a full ten years before the F-22 CRAPtor was operational with tandem operating (both nozzles pointing the same direction in tandem all the time) 2D TVC. Not only that, the Russians had their differentially operating 2D TVC set at an approx. 45 degree angle from each other -
http://vayu-sena-aux.tripod.com/thumbs/su30mkidetail8_t.jpg
And you wanna know what's really funny? Prior to the CRAPtor the MIC couldn't manage to produce a jet engine which wouldn't flame out upon no intake air being forced into it while the Russians have been doing tailslides (i.e. having a negative pressure at the intake) without flaming out the engines for over 25 years. Since the MIC is using over 25 y.o. technology (with respect to the tandem operating 2D TVC) on the CRAPtor, exactly who did the Russians 'steal' their technology from?? ???
All stolen technology.
Russia has legal status to look at American secret patented inventions through agreements. All starting with FDR joining America with the ILO back before WWII broke out. International Labor Organization..............look it up sometime!!!!!!!!!!
You arent bullshitting me!
The bulshevics you praise are murderous khazars.
God has a final plan for them.
midnight rambler
8th March 2012, 05:01 PM
All stolen technology.
You appear to be delusional. If the MIC had the technology which Russia has demonstrated for years, then why don't they develop it and put it to use?? If they are trying to make the Russians look good by sitting on the technology and not developing it/putting it to use they are doing a fine job. lol
vacuum
8th March 2012, 05:10 PM
I'm pretty impressed with how they can retrofit new engines onto current designs.
LuckyStrike
8th March 2012, 06:09 PM
All stolen technology.
Kikestan has legal status to look at American secret patented inventions through agreements. All starting with FDR joining America with the ILO back before WWII broke out. International Labor Organization..............look it up sometime!!!!!!!!!!
You arent bullshitting me!
The bulshevics you praise are murderous khazars.
God has a final plan for them.
There, fixed it for you.
7th trump
8th March 2012, 10:28 PM
You appear to be delusional. If the MIC had the technology which Russia has demonstrated for years, then why don't they develop it and put it to use?? If they are trying to make the Russians look good by sitting on the technology and not developing it/putting it to use they are doing a fine job. lol
Maybe the technology of making an airplane toto dance in the sky when a mach 3 missile is locked on and screaming at you is really stupid?
Its impressive to watch on an acrobatic aircraft at an airshow. However, its useless technology in an age with stealth missiles that can turn on a dime at mach speeds.
The name of the game is survival not...........dancing with the stars.
LuckyStrike
8th March 2012, 10:49 PM
Its impressive to watch on an acrobatic aircraft at an airshow. However, its useless technology in an age with stealth missiles that can turn on a dime at mach speeds.
The name of the game is survival not...........dancing with the stars.
I don't really understand your argument, if Russia stole our technology how is theirs superior and at a lower price?
If thrust vectoring was such a sham why is the US moving in that direction but a decade behind the Russians?
midnight rambler
9th March 2012, 09:09 AM
Maybe the technology of making an airplane toto dance in the sky when a mach 3 missile is locked on and screaming at you is really stupid?
Its impressive to watch on an acrobatic aircraft at an airshow. However, its useless technology in an age with stealth missiles that can turn on a dime at mach speeds.
The name of the game is survival not...........dancing with the stars.
There's apparently no end to you being delusional. Also you apparently suffer from willful ignorance since the Russians (along with the Chinese and the Indians who acquired the very same missile system from the Russians) have the carrier killing Mach 2.9 anti-ship cruise missile (can be fired from a MiG-29, a ship, or even a flatbed truck) for which the DoD has NO defense against and NO equivalent to, the Yakhont/Onyx missile.
And actually the game of the game is self-defense, not puffing up one's chest while building an empire. lol
Su-24 and Su-27 do flyover on USS Kitty Hawk, eyewitness to the incident said, "It was like watching a bear play with a bunny rabbit just before it kills it." lol
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